Eric, as the HID kit has its own relay you don't need the relay inside the car, and you can also wire straight into the headlight switch as it's on the control side of the HID relay (i.e. low current). Throw away the fog light kit's wiring harness and do the following: 1) Find the wire that connects to the headlight switch. 2) Splice into this wire and run an additional wire to the fog light switch that came in the kit. 3) Run a wire from the other side of this switch through to the front of the car and connect it to the control side of the HID relay. 4) Connect the other side of the HID's control relay to ground. 5) Install everything on the load side of the HID relay as instructed. That way your HID relay will be controlled by the headlight switch in the car, as long as the fog light switch is also on.

Eric has actually done the right thing. The reason you install a relay with the kit is because the stock headlight relay is rated for 20 amps normally which is fine for halogen bulbs. But HID kits draw 20-25 amps on start up, then as they warm up, current draw drops to about 2-3 amps. This is why HID kits come with a larger 30 amp relay. Some stock vehicle relays will work, but will probably fail over time due to the large current

Hi Eric! Nice video so far. Couple of thoughts: 1) The HID kit doesn't need high amps to trigger it. It gets the juice directly from the battery. It just needs a "signal" to turn on. 2) Your bullet connector in the engine compartment sends +12V, that could be your "signal". 3) Basically, you can set the non-HID harness (engine side) aside. Simply run a jumper line from your bullet to where the HID kit expects the old foglight to be. You can test this quickly with your powerprobe. Just connect up the HID and put +12 on that input, the HID lights should come on. Don't forget to use the heatshrink terminals and heat gun I sent! :) 4) Now we are in really good shape. Odds are that the 3rd wire on the HID signal input is a high beam sensor. Wire up the HIDs so they are working and powerprobe +12 on that 3rd input. If the lights to out, you are in business. Find the high beem line to your headlights and add a jumper wire. NOW THE FOGLIGHTS WILL SHUTOFF WITH THE HIGH BEAMS ON. :) 5) Finally, you already have exactly what you need to make this all work only when the key or headlights are on. The relay under the dash isn't sending high current. Simply rewire it so the magnet is between "KEY ON" or "HEADLIGHTS ON" and ground. Then between the "Normally Open" and "Common" contacts put your +12V from the switch and the bullet in the engine. NOW THE FOGLIGHTS WILL TURN OFF WHEN YOU TURN OFF THE HEADLIGHTS OR THE CAR. It'd be easier to show with a diagram, but hopefully this makes sense. ;)

You are 100% legal Eric. Nobody has the right to say anything to you. Lots of cars come factory with HID lighting, and the motorfiend kit is engineered not to need a projector housing. So let em bitch. Some people are just programmed with a negative outlook on everything.

Hey Eric. I had an Audi A6 avant . It had HID installed they were fantastic . So good you didn't really need High beam . Now I've upgraded to a late 2006 VW Touareg . It has as standard in the UK HID low beams with auto levelling headlights . They are dreadful . I'm sure 16th century candles would be an improvement. Not joking . The car had projector headlamps too . Also corner illumination. Which is brighter than the headlights . Being in GB we can't modify even though we have left the EU . Light brightness is such a contentious subject . Loving the videos you produce . Thank you .

Pnp hids are not the right way to do things. All they do is cause glare that blinds other drivers, and they actually hurt your distance vision in your fog lights there. They throw all that extra light right in front of your car, which makes your pupils contract, which lets in less light, and makes things in the distance appear darker, hence why factory fog lights turn off when you turn on the high beams. If you really want proper hid lighting in your car what you need to do is retrofit hid projectors.

Those amber bulbs are awesome ... I replaced the white fogs with yellow on my Subaru and they really works well in the snow and rain. The downside is the Motorfiend 35w ballast, it has a very slow warm-up time. It takes almost a full sixty seconds for the bulbs to reach operating temperature.

EricTheCarGuy The relay kit can just be discarded since you have one implemented. Those wires you said can be not used can be used to directly connect to the stock wire connector going into the bulb. The opposite connector than the one going to the HID bulb is a 12 volt connector. I have had bad issues running a relay kit since the relay can be a bit sketchy. You can just run direct 12 volt into the ballast and be done with it.

Hi Eric, you don't need the extra HID wiring harness. It's only used for dualpurpose bulbs (mainly H4). HID's don't like to be switched on and off rapidly, wich would happen if you directly connect the HID's to the original H4 plugs. (small delay between high and low beam switching) Since the harness with the switch already has a fuse rated to run two 55watt bulbs, you can directly connect two 35watt HID bulbs to it. The bulbs themselves have input wires for the ballast (with the spade connectors). Just hook those up to the original foglight plugs, plug in the ballast and shove the bulb into the foglight. And yes, this method could cause problems on some cars because of the computer checking if the bulb works and HID's responding differently than halogen. Since your foglights are not hooked up to such a system, there will be no problem. It'll save you a lot of work and wiring spaghetti.

No one should tell you how to customize your car that's why it is your car keep up the good work

Hi Eric, simple idea for the thing with turning of the foglights when turning on the high beams. You separate the ground of the relay coil (the relay behind the switch) from the whole ground connection in the wiring (ground should be terminal 85 at the relay, refered to DIN 72552). Then connect this to the + side of your high beam circuit, best right behind the fuse of one of the high beams. As soon as you turn the high beams on you will have + on this connection and so the relay coil will loose its ground and turn off. And if the high beams are off the coil will get ground (-) via the the high beams.

Eric, I haven't finished watching the video yet, but I believe the first connector you looked at may actually be the correct connector. On many vehicles, the factory fog light system is not active without the key on, in these cases, turning on and off the headlights would not effect the power on this lead (the fog lights can be run without the headlights on). Try turning on the key, if the connector now has power, try cycling the high beams.

Should do a retrofit for the headlights. Less glare and way better output then a pnp kit thrown into a halogen headlight.

I plan on getting the dealer fog light kit for my 2001 Toyota Sequoia. Looks like it will run about $450 for it, but as it is from Toyota is will last. I do love that Toyota ran all of the wiring for it so all I need are the housing, switch, and relay.

US laws must be so different to our UK laws. Here in the UK aux lighting must only light up with your high (main) beam. It has to be switched off with your standard dipped beam. And fog lights (different to aux light as they are pointed to the floor with a flat alignment), must be no more the 50cm off the ground, must be aligned and must have a warning light on the dash.(that light on your dash switch would do) These can only ever be used during low visibility conditions. Your lights that you just installed would be classed as fog lights to us! So we can't drive around with them on. (we get fined by police if we do)

hey eric i bought a relay and a fog light kit at Walmart for like $25 and i was thinking of splicing the lights to the low beam lights but iv always thought if hit the high beams ill loose the fog lights despite that there may be a law about that but i do want the fog lights on when the high beams are on. so i spliced the relay into my running lights right near the connector to my head light. so now i can even have the fog lights on without even having my head lights actually on. and i think that brown connector that you said that doesn't do anything its most likely a brake switch for a brake controller for a trailer so it should send power to it every time you hit the brake pedal.

To all of you people who are so against these hid videos get a life! No one one is telling you guys to get them! Point of the matter is people who want them are going to I stall them! Eric is putting this video up for us who want to install hids so just don't install them on your vehicles. Eric keep up the good videos

43 minutes ? LOVING IT!

In part 2, can you show us a schematic diagram of how those HID lights work?

That's not a bumper anymore, it's a toucher. Back in the day these things were designed to absorb quite a lot of shock bolted directly to chassis on absorbers and everything. Now it'll probably just crack and split and off you go to the dealer for a new part. Good vid Eric.

Hey Eric, I did a similar install on my accord. With your wiring, where you are plugging the interior harness for power there should be other ports as well. If memory serves me right, one of those ports is only ''hot'' with the corner lights turned on. I connected to that one, so when you kill your lights there should be no power to the fogs. Now my application was on an accord but knowing Hondas I'm pretty positive your fuse box is almost are pretty similar.

Eric, Just out of curiosity, It looks like you are using the stock harness for 2 wires to go a couple of feet and connect into your HID kit. Why not just set the harness aside and get a few feet of wire to go to your hid kit directly, that would remove your need for a bunch of excess wires bundled behind your bumper and would also allow you to keep the wiring whole in case you wanted to remove the HID later.

Oh excellent, another HID video. Awesome! *brings out the popcorn*

Thanks Eric! I really appreciate your videos with your Honda Element. I just got one and love it!

You should spray the rusted bolts under the bumper with WD-40 before unscrewing them. One thing I learned on body part bolts is spray them first or they'll break.

Use the High Beam feed from the three-prong stock headlight connector and put in a normally closed relay. Then put the relay's other end inline from where you aux lights get power. Once the normally closed relay gets power (from turning on your high beam), it will kill the power feed to your aux lights.

Great video as usual. Just an FYI. I'm not as experienced with auto wiring, so I have found websites that sell OEM accesssories. They often have pdf files of the factory install instructions and wiring illustrations you can print out. As in your video, all after factory wiring for acesssories are secured with blue tape to their harness.

Hi Erik, great video as usual, just make sure to scrub the condenser before installation to remove the debris and also use compressed air from the back of the radiator to the front to expel any dirt and if you can use compressed water it would be better.

That's why I use HID's, they're a lot safer for night driving. I hit a buck in 2010, not a dollar, and I don't want that to happen again. I got lucky and only put a hole in the left side of the bumper. Just that was enough to almost loose control.

Hey Eric just a thought, it might be better to connect the power for your switch to your ignition switched power at the fuse panel. You may have to ditch the connector that came on the harness but it would be much more functional considering the lights would turn on and off with the car. Anyway your channel is awesome! It's nice to see a few new videos lately, take care.

When I added an a/m fog lamp kit to my 2011 RAV4, I mounted the relay in the engine compartment and grabbed main power from the battery. Then, I only had 1 wire to run back into the cabin (the one that provides switched hot for the relay) and mount and wire the switch. I grabbed hot for the switch from the empty fog lamp relay so that the fogs only go on when the headlamps are on.

The sound in the garage makes your voice sound nice. Good quality video.

EricTheCarGuy What you could do is: add a relay inline with the constant power lead. Then have it ground to ground when the car is running, positive to the low beam. Two problems in one, no lights when the car is off and no fog lights when high beam is on. (EDIT) ground from the relay.

Great video. I love electrical. I've done Non projector HIDs before ans they are great. They were tested with other friends driving toward my vehicle in different situations. As Eric said if they are aimed correctly there is no problem

Why on earth do you need the HID harness. You already installed a full fog light harness with a relay and a fuse. You know the wire gauge is good enough. Just replace the connector on the end to power the ballast and away you go.

I think I would spend the extra bucks and get the factory fog light kit. This way you wouldn't have to worry about turning the fog lights on and off. The factory kit would have the wiring connectors so the fog lights would work in conjunction with the high and low beam headlight switch.

Love it Eric!! Hids are the best I'm so happy you have an in depth video!! It's so true about getting quality kits I've had a bad experience only bc they were cheap!! Hids always change the look of the car drastically but any way Eric welcome back and happy new year!! I've been waiting for you to come back from vacation! Stay dirty

Eric you are doing it wrong! The HID wiring kit is only used when dealing with HI/LO beams such as H4 bulbs. What you do is is use the very cables you said you were discarding at 39:54, that is all you need. Also the big ballast's you have are way, waaay better than those mini ballast. I sell and install HID kits, I have tried every possible configuration/install.

My car has what is called a Police pack set up , high intensity head lights , plus high out put driving / fog lights , its great where I live as in winter it gets dark early and sometimes in summer , we get a lot of fog .

Hey Eric, I've got an idea for a different looking at lighting. A lot of stock lighting systems have excessive voltage drop making their lighting way weaker then it should be. Example Chrysler Neons have voltage drops down to 10Vs or less reducing bulb lums by 27% on stock halogen rating. Maybe you can test the voltage drop on your Fairmont and other cars and see what theirs is like.

Eric you should do a projector retrofit in the headlight same light out put..alot more precision without the binding!..did it on my Acura cl.

install led strip on your car it will look very cool

I just recently switched from hid to led for the fog lights on my '99 civic ex and it's a major improvement. Check out my review on Amazon of the Xprite 60w 4 inch led fog lights for pictures & whatnot. The fog light reflector housing is nearly identical on my civic and your Honda Element, AND you can get films to put on the lens to make them whatever color you want.

I have a 2003 Element. Love these cars.

You can use a relay so when you turn on the high beams the Accillary lights go off.

HID relay harness not needed ,just tap into fog light source with wires from HID bulbs, that your not using.

"Here Eric: take these headlights and switch out your HID kit!" Eric goes: "Thanks for the light, i'l put in HID bulbs in there aswell!" :P

thes kits work great cept when you have auto headlights, for some reason i find(my expernce) when theres a sunload sensor controling the headlights HID's will have only one side working and burn out bulbs alot quicker

"because, because I can".........Dam right

In Lithuania, you can use fog lights only because of the weather condition: fog, heavy rain, or so. Plus the car looks like a christmas tree

excellent instructional. You cover everything very well. I just found your sight a couple days ago, watched a number of them, very nice. Keep up the good work. I will be watching more, as I have an 04 ex AWD.GGM

I won't put HID's on a vehicle unless I have projector housings. I have a 99 Cherokee, no projector housings on the market but I do plan on putting HIDs in all 9 of my aux lights. Over kill but I like lighting up the forests at night

I love. "Your experience may vary"

I need fog lights cause I live near the coast. Thanks for giving me this idea.

That brown connection with the blue single wire runs through the firewall for the foglight connection

never mind, have to lear to finish your videos before commenting :)

no need to add a extra hid relay kit. the extra two wires off the hids are to test polarities.

13:40 Take that awful rubber switch cover out of your streamlight. And just throw it away. It'll make it much easier to turn on and off. You know you want to.

oem bumper are the best. aftermarket bumpers dont have markings of where to cut

What is the purpose of having a second relay harness for the HID kit?? Why didn't you do a HID conversion kit where you just plug the ballast into the factory wiring harness??

Ready for part 2

Hopefully in pt. 2 you can show how you were able to fit the bulb into the fog lamp i tried...but no luck

Eric Who cares mate as long as you are safe I say use what you like..

Have you ever done a tutorial on how to disconnect the various connectors that are found in the electrics. Seems that every electrical connection has a different way of disconnecting.

I build my own wiring harness for projects like this. Plus, I prefer to have the wiring protected in wire loom like the factory.

k-tool international has a lot of those plastic rivet type fasteners and what not if you need them. You can buy entire kits from tooltopia. I carry some in my tool box just in case I break one or one grows legs and decides to walk off. Without wiring diagrams, these types of jobs can really cripple you so pursue with caution if dealing with anything electrical related. Awesome video.

I gotta ask Eric uses that hello light bar in every video. It seems very convenient is something like that shatter proof, and what is its power source.

At least you went back to 4500k over the 8000k. I don't think anyone would be mad about that.

Some of your US laws are weird. Here in the uk your only meant to use fogs when the visibility is below 100 metres. Driving lights(what is what i think you've actually got)as you fitting is that must only come on with the highbeams.

Eric: Just run a jumper from your low beam circuit to your relay, so the fog lights only come on when the low beam is energized.

Sweet now you just need some nice rims

I know this is an old video but I just have to point out how horrible the beam pattern is on the PnP HIDs in the headlights. It has too much foreground, poor width, and poor distance. You may think it's better just because it's brighter than halogen, but in reality, you don't see any better. A proper retrofit with xenon or bixenon projectors would yield far superior results.

Hey Eric love what you’re doing with the Honda elements, just moved to Idaho and it’s cu-cu-cold any info on block heaters for my 06 element?

Eric, How about just a "simple" door open/high beam chime on the fog light circuit?

what r the chances u get your fog light kit right after i buy mine for my accord...this will definitely be use full.. thanks

Hey Eric, would it not have been a possibility to take the power from your headlights with a relay? in this way when you switch on your high beam, the foglights automaticly shut of ? Great show !

You do not need that HID relay, it's useless. Connect those two wires from the HID bulb to the power and ground wires of your fog light harness, then plug the other end to the ballast and you're done.

why don't know if it is possible but why cant you run a wire from you high beam to the white wire on the fog relay relay so the beam will turn the fog lights off.

hi fist of all thanks for all the time and effort for posting these videos ,they are really helpful ,just quick question,could you please send me the model of the fog lights kit,also you have mentioned about smaller ballast ,aren't they coming with the package already,

I plugged everything the same but my switch light stays on with the car off.

Eric, if you ever come across a VW or any German cars that has no transmission dip stick, can you please do a video on how to change the transimission fluid? thanks.

I got a 2004 dodge Dakota that the fog/ driving light stay on when in high beam and it factory but it also has after market swich

looking good

As I know NOTHING about Honda, whats the difference between i-VTEC and VTEC?

EricTheCarGuy did you mean laws regarding having LOW beams and fog lights at the same time or did you mean HIGH beams? It would seem stupid not beeing able to have highbeams at the same time as foglights cause the the highbeams are blinding anyways and the foglights just adds side lighting to some extent. For instence its illegal to have LOW beams + foglights in sweden cause it blinds others at night and in fog it blinds you aswell by creating a "wall of light"

It's a shame that ALL of these kits are illegal in every state. But it's your vehicle and you are responsible. To everyone who says "Oh these kits are legal" or "They are DOT stamped" US FEDERAL laws state that ALL HID conversions are illegal PERIOD. The ONLY time HID is allowed is if the vehicle came from the factory with them. Here are the standards the ALL lighting on a motor vehicle in the US must meet. FMVSS No. 108 Lamps, Reflective Devices and Associated Equipment, 49 CFR 571.108 49 CFR Part 564, Replaceable Light Source Information Go and read the laws, read the NHTSB interpretations, You will discover that ALL of these kits are illegal. In every state in the US. The catch is that like a lot of FMV laws they are not enforced, so people "think" they are OK.

Part 2 link done be broken, Eric.

Isn't is also illegal to have HID lights which are not self/auto leveling?

That's a bit confusing you have 2 relays now.

Hey Eric got a question I just installed fog light kit just like yours. But my fog light switch stay lit up and when I press the switch it gets brighter indicating that the fog lights are on inwhich they are. But my concern is the light on the switch staying on when the car is off and parked. Should I get another switch?

ok i noticed something that i hope you can enlighten me.. right at the end of the video the end of the fog light harness that goes to the left side fog light you bundled up and stashed it with the connector down i noticed that might be a good place for water to pool up whats stopping the connector from shorting out the whole system blowing the inline fuse under the dash?

When you switched to the 4500k bulbs did they come with the glare shields like the 8000k that came with the original kit you installed?

The Eric great video solid info 💪🏻💥💪🏼💥

Hi I'm having trouble with my fog lights on my honda accord I got it checked out my wiring are good but sometimes when I push the fog light switch the light do come on but most of the it doesn't. I got a auto shop worker to look at it. He got it to work but when I drove it out of the shop and pushed the switch it doesn't work. The grounds are good. So my best bet is the switch itself should I just replace the switch? The technician did say it might be cause by a bad connection between the switch and the wire. Thanks

What is the radiator looking thing in front of the radiator? Mine is literally crumbling away.

why not just jump off the low beam power wire to turn on the HID relay and it will work when only the low beam lights are on. it would be the same as the trigger used to turn on the HID kit that you have on the headlights. you would no longer need the switch inside the car or you could leave it as it is and just run your trigger line (turn on) for the fog light kit relay off the low beam headlight trigger feed for the HIDs that you already have installed in the Element.

No part 2 Eric old boy ?

hey eric, at around 40.44 in this video, you have a male type H4 headlight connector, you mentioned only using two of the wires... what about the white wire? if this is for the high beams, what is the chance that the fog lights with HID will turn off when the high beams are lit?

As long as it's not glaring or blinding others ....hids in halogen reflectors generally fo that and is an unsafe and terrible idea.

Couldn't you have bought fog lights w/ hid's already