rubber and urethane too! Make these a serie s of challenge events like they do for the "Swings" with their specfic pattern tournaments, but this time, equipment challenges

I guess the bowling ball industry was saying. "hey you can't do that anymore" we won't be able to fool people anymore with overpriced Hightech bowling balls.. Look at those scores. That says it all

It'd be great to see this tournament return. Let each ball company have a specific plastic ball their staffers can use

Go to 5 pound pins, it will be very interesting😂😂😂

@@Muggel65 So true, bu$ine$$ i$ the american way.

I remember that too. They had a demo ball on display.

Yellow dot was my first ball

Everything was simpler back then. 300s meant something.. oil smelled like oil, bowling alleys were smokey...shoes didn't cost 250$....

That’s exactly the first ball I got and where my parents bought it for me. I still have it. Man those were the days. I think the PBA should do this show once a year just for nostalgia it’s a lot of fun.

Speaking of Belmonte, why did he use plastic on Shark? Isn't Shark a really long oil pattern that would suit more aggressive balls? I don't understand oil patterns that well, so I've been wondering about that for a while.

axesebi The only way you could find that out is if you ask Jason. Clearly he felt like he had to, but I couldn't really tell you why. That said, if my memory serves me correctly, he played well using his spare ball.

Dtyler171 Just to clarify, Belmonte used his spare ball on the Viper pattern. That particular show had the Shark pattern on the left lane, and Viper on the right. That was his first win. But none the less, still used plastic.

Dtyler171 He used plastic because his reactive ball was over hooking so he would result to a plastic ball. Source: Experience as a two handed bowler who is almost identical to Belmo's

+Dtyler171 One thing that needs to be clarified is that while yes, you absolutely need to do all of the work yourself, throw good shots, etc., they're saying is that it is much easier for them to control their shots since the balls almost hook for themselves for them and that they were stuggling since many of them were trying to do what many beginners tend to do, which is to try to force the ball to hook on this cheetah pattern with half of the oil than normal, also, with the plastic ball you get more carry down and the lanes don't break down like they do with normal reactive balls

BowlingGlaceon maybe if they were using rubber plastic isn't that old

Yes I agree but with plastic balls today u would have even less people bowling because they would be even more frustrated years ago guys bowled 2-4 nights a week if they had to use plastic only they won’t bowl all u have to do is make the oil pattern tough and let them use high performance bowling balls

They do. This is why honor scores like 300 and 800 mean nothing anymore. Houses "wall" their lanes and allow kids to just huck these strong bowling balls out near the gutter and have them fly back to the pocket with little to no skill involved. I remember last year we had this kid who averaged like 235 in our league on a house shot. We put out an old heavy oil pattern for fun which made you have to actually hit a mark on the lane and be accurate, and the guy couldn't even break a 190. I average 220 but I do not use strong equipment. I play "down and in" and I was able to bowl 200+ consistently. Bowling really is a joke anymore. But then again all sports have become this way sadly.

@@JonHop1 it takes just as much skill you're just using different mechanics you need to hit you marks you could just become more versatile its not any easier them more hook you get but the better you are the more hook you get as long as you have a high rev rate

@@JonHop1 people now aways just have more skill and thats why people get higher scores

@@sageofsixpaths6708 uhhh, no... People have higher scores because its EASIER to score... Are you saying people in teh past did not have skill? You are on crack. Go play on a vintage lane with a vintage rubber ball with mopped lanes and lets see what you average...

@@sageofsixpaths6708 It doesnt take as much skill. You do not have to be as precise or accurate as the bowling balls, and the oil bring the ball perfectly into an optimal angle for striking. Its just physics. When you play with a rubber ball, on mapped lanes like in the 60's, it was near impossible to play hook and get the ball to strike consistently with a "hook" style... Do you know how many people tried to play with revs and hook back then? A LOT of people... Fact is, it didnt work on those lanes with that equipment. Now, you do not have to be that accurate. While the PBA has implemented "patterns" to combat how easy bowling is with modern equipment, even then, accuracy down to a board is not needed.. Just watch that one Players Championship with Belmo where the guy NEVER hits his mark, and rarely ever hits the pocket, yet strikes every single shot and wins.. Its because of the power of the bowling equipment. 2-handed style has been used since the 40's. It simply did not work back then with mopped lanes and Rubber balls. This because Rubber bowling balls did not build up energy and soak up oil, so there was little to no benefit to using a high-revolution, "hook" style back then. It was a harder game back then.

He has in tournaments before . Check out his first title (long island) on the right lane!

He finished 2nd in a different year. Left a Stone 7 pin to lose. Possibly the most stone 7 pin in the history of bowling.

It was the year after this event

Well he's back in 2019 with FS1/2

What’s funny is that my dad despises that man

Dave LaMont and Dave Ryan are boring to me and no match of excitement to Rob Stone

just need aqua net

Nice plot twist. I was expecting you to say but you still suck lol, didn't expect the hair.

The plastic balls are cheap.

same he's hilarious

The crotch chop needs to be brought back

Same!

What you said.

He's earned the right.

Yeah there was some urethane in that era

That is the only ball I have. Interesting story. I went karaoke bowling under black lights like two weeks after getting that Rhino. I freaked out when it suddenly went missing from a full rack of house balls. After like ten full minutes of panic, I decided to look at every ball. Turns out it looked green under the black lights. Weird eh?

Somebody goofed. It was corrected at 16:26.

I noticed that too.

It’s how many pins he left on that frame, he got 9 pins so it shows 9.

Clay Morgan no one goofed

It could be a glitch

PontusMusik lol

hes coming back to the pba this december 23rd when pba bowling comes to fox

@@2011Appleman fox sports 1?

Your the only one.

@@williammurphy8293 guess I'm the only one that understands how "you're" is used as well. I can miss Rob Stone and have my own opinion, it's the internet lol

@@okayzimbabwe I also love Rob Stone

It shows how great Earl Anthony( RIP) Don Carter (RIP) Dick Weber( RiP) Mark Roth are, because they used this equipment and made it work. Are we spoiled? Hook in the box has given SOME BOWLERS inflated averages, but the cream rises to the top [ PDW] [ BARNZY] [ VOSS IS BOSS] MISSED SHOW BY ONE GAME.

Eric Jaeger well when thousands of dollars are at stake you kind of want to do your best

Ok, there’s a difference between going out with your boys and dicking around, and a professional sport with money at stake. For example, basketball. Shooting hoops in your backyard is different from a national sport with thousands of dollars on the line. You would wanna be as focused as possible when shooting. That’s just what I think.

Alex Nguyen stick to your games nerd.

It's not noises in general but rather conversations and intentional distractions. Do background noise isn't the issue it's stuff that gets your attention that is.

This is one the dumbest comments I've read in 2019. Why are you even watching this???

I want to see the pba bowl on the Petersen classic.

Always that one idiot in the comments who spoils

+Al Vanderhey Why didnt you go watch it? lol

joined in 2010 unfortuneately

Belmo finished 12th

VinylToVideo What kind of lanes are these

@@Spicysauce32 Urethane balls on urethane lanes

Well said.

agreed, but even more specifically, youre trading the hitting power for innacuracy with the oil patterns. As each pattern changes, both pattern and from game to game, the marks change exponentially. Plastics balls 90% of the time will be thrown in the same line.

Yah, but being able to come into the pocket from an angle makes your room for error larger then a relatively straight shot. Plus, the power needed to hook plastic means that you have less of a chance to come back in

Really, so what's the point of using them then?

@@11SEXMACHINE looks cooler

@@11SEXMACHINE they just hook more. You can buy an urethane ball with a great core and it will hook a shitload too. You just have to really get around it. Where if you get around some reactive balls they won't hook. It's a different style of bowling. Not easier either way

@@11SEXMACHINE Getting more hook for heavier oil patterns. I’ve used plastic, urethane, and resin, no ball is easier than another. If you miss your mark, not matter what ball you use, you’re not going to strike

It’s necessary enough for Duckpin, Candlepin, 5 Pin, and Kegelbahn (German 9 pin) of having balls go deadly straight cause obviously the balls were so small and having Tenpin do the same thing is stupid cause it’s a big ball and it had so much room to have a symmetric or asymmetric core inside. And also every ball company needed to make their Balls different from one to another.

Just started bowling and bought an old Ebonite Mirage off the internet. Easy to use when I can mimic my intended go-to throw, my only problem is personal error. Really easy to ding a strike when I do it right though. Been considering whether it'd be worth drilling it precisely to my hand size or to wait and drill a new ball.

@@europeanisraelite8913 Get a new ball. Plastic shouldn't be anything than your spare ball.

@@clarkkent1521 my dad's getting me my first bowling ball and it's a reactive resin ball, he's spending a little extra so I can learn to hook the ball and so I don't have to use a plastic which is basically the same as the house balls, my dad's first bowling ball when he was like 16 was a plastic tho but that was in the 90s

@@nataleeisjustchilling2737 Reactive resin are excellent to get a strong hook. What ball is it?

@@clarkkent1521 it's the storm tropical surge, I'm getting it drilled this weekend

Matthew Rodrigues And again at 58:24

I already did🙁☠️☠️

Julian Miller He came in twelve and didn't make the show it shows you in the second match

apparently he couldnt do so well

Just imagine how fast they go.

In the 70s they used rubber balls with short oil. Rubber balls had that pancake tiny core and were very hard and smooth, meaning they did not grip the lane. Then came out the plastic ball, which was a little more grippy but still very weak. After that was urethane. Urethane was stronger than plastic but not too aggresive. As these balls were created the patters got longer. moving on to the 21st century, reactive balls came out with symetrical cores in the center. These balls had much grippier surfaces with plenty of surface on them. The cores really drove the ball into the pocket. As time went on, the surfaces and cores got more effecient and the patterns grew longer as a result. then assymetrical balls came out which allowed for sharper turns, and the surfaces got wider pores which allowed better grip. And here we are now :)

dont forget the lanes were wood back then, and with the short oils, even those balls gripped well. but not too much like the snapping there is today,

This is mostly correct except for the long oil pattern was standard for both amateur and pro's until the 1980's and then the amateurs were allowed to bowl on short oil. Short oil inflated scores too. Pro's were still on long oil as well as most reputable amateur tournaments then. One more thing with oil patterns is that prior to the different named oil patterns of today there were many a bowling center that played with the way lanes were oiled. I remember some houses that had some blocked lanes yielding phenomenal scores before reactive resins came out.

I just realized these were Brunswick pins

I wish I could remember the tournament the P.B.A. put new 3-10's in the house and scores were low. I believe it was when reactive resins had came out and were relatively new but my memory isn't that sharp.

my first ball was a yellow dot and a white dot then i bought a red Hammer.

Thought they soaked them in something (possibly acetone) to get additional grip and the acetone would bleed out. I never did this as the tournaments I bowled would disqualify you if caught.

Cuz they sanded them

dveisalive nope

they dont perform better?

Because high performance ones take time to perfect.

Well they were only bowling on no oil so yeah. That's made for this

Pete Weber is often portrayed as the bad guy of the pba. But it looks cool btw.

Absolutely not true at all.

You need skill to throw a high performance bowling ball.

I know a boomer when I see one. Been getting beat by the young fellas recently?

😂mine too.. although maybe I should start letting it do the work instead of putting so much effort into it.