2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302: First Test

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2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302: First Test

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There is only one Mustang that Ford had yet to recreate-the baddest of all, the Boss. That is, until now. Meet the 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302, the best, most well-rounded Mustang ever. We take it to the track to see how it performs.
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@Benjammin1829 7 жыл бұрын

After 5 years owning my Boss 302 I have no desire to trade her in or sell! This car has far exceeded my expectations! Love it!!!

@erichemard7066 6 жыл бұрын

Benjammin1829 I know the feeling. I've got SN 1939 in competition orange. It's just a super fun car to drive. She's not a daily driver by any means, most of her miles are made on the track. I've got a few bolt on mods, cobra jet intake, boss 302R cams, wide oval twin 65mm TB, full kooks exhaust which dumps out of magnaflow competition exhaust and Lund tune. I swapped out the factory 2 piece drive shaft for a ford racing one piece and added the 302R suspension upgrade. She laid out an impressive 508 rwhp and 478 lbft torque at 8500 rpms and was still pulling hard to 9000. We decided to set the limiter at 8500 due to the factory rods were close to their limit. Best mustang ever.

@merstrand1 6 жыл бұрын

Expensive Mods though :)

@Benjammin1829 5 жыл бұрын

eric hemard wow your mods are awesome! I am a weekend “warrior” racing imaginary folks on the backroads lol.

@gpavlovic25 5 жыл бұрын

I'm considering stepping "down" from my 2015 GT into a Boss. I like the more muscle car look of those and they seem more raw. I'll give Ford credit. 2015 interior is soooooo much better than the older Mustangs but exterior and just overall characteristics of this Boss is very tempting for me to switch things up.

@markmathis2309 4 жыл бұрын

Is it your daily driver? If not,why not?

@josephpedroza632 2 жыл бұрын

I own this Boss. I have owned it for 9 years now. Someone told me it was the Motor Trend test. I checked Motor Trend magazine archives and found the the number on the intake.

@SuperCameron73 13 жыл бұрын

I JUST BOUGHT A 2012 BOSS AND LOVE IT !!

@grimmako4879 2 ай бұрын

You still got it 😂

@anpmech 13 жыл бұрын

Just ordered one! This will be the longest 6-8 weeks in my life!

@TheHm3 13 жыл бұрын

WOW THIS THING IS AMAZING! The Shelby GT500 has been tested by MotorTrend, and they got 12.4 1/4 mile, while they got 12.3 1/4 mile. Not just that, this is highly underpowered compared to the GT500, plus this is bloody $10k less than the GT500 amazing! Let us wish that the Camaro ZL1 brings a nice competition!

@Eeveethegamer26 9 жыл бұрын

I have 2 of these. (the hotwheels edition)

@drewinhou 6 жыл бұрын

Isandring I think he was joking

@ASlave2Gravity 13 жыл бұрын

The 60's classics are still here today, and now we leave behind this, I thought we were never going to leave a classic like the 60's did, but we did it, we fucking did it!

@AliAlhussaini 2 жыл бұрын

Still the best looking/ performing mustang till this day

@SpyderRios 9 жыл бұрын

I am not sure what I am going to do but I am getting a school bus yellow boss 302. Dream car I don't need any other car at all

@rawbeatzz091 8 жыл бұрын

+SpyderRios Have you gotten it yet?

@Frosty_coyote 8 жыл бұрын

have you

@drewinhou 7 жыл бұрын

SpyderRios I finally got mine. Red and white. #2913 on my intake.

@ironbull2003 10 жыл бұрын

1.2013-2014 GT500 2.2012-2013 Boss302 3.2003-2004 SVT/2011-2012 gt500

@bluedinero3055 2 жыл бұрын

2014 gt350 is #2 Terminator Svt is #4 now

@FoodMoTron3k 12 жыл бұрын

12.3@115.8mph?? Thats right on par with the ZL1. That little 302 is one horse to be reckoned with.

@TKJWVU 13 жыл бұрын

@DCsniper207 i will admit, an IRS is far superior to a live axle on the road course, yet Ford is still able to keep up with the IRS cars and still have the live axle. I'm not a fan of drag racing, but for the driver who buys this car, they get the road gripping potential of an IRS and the ability to drag race with the live axle.

@N0XI0USB4C 13 жыл бұрын

Never been a Ford guy but damn I want a Boss 302. Good job Ford!!!

@10243612B 13 жыл бұрын

This Boss 302 is a very impressive car!

@LivinInFuture 12 жыл бұрын

This and the GT500s and Super Snakes will be huge collectors 20+ years from now

@az1trey 13 жыл бұрын

i'm a camaro fan but this car is kick ass. Ford engineering did an awesome job with this car and this has got to be the best bang 4 the buck on the market today. i hope Chevrolet will come out with a z28 to compete with this!

@mikbla92 13 жыл бұрын

i believe that dreams come true and this car is my freaking dream

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

Also, the s/c 5.4 4V's higher center of gravity had much less impact on the Ford GT which had a much lower engine placement than the GT500. Another advantage of building a purpose built car that doesn't have to contend with compromises forced by less expensive versions of the same car, like the Corvette has to contend with. The Ford GT's biggest handling draw-back in stock trim was the tires. They came with pizza cutter 235s up front and smaller than ZR1 315 rears, an issue easily corrected.

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

Another note is regarding the 5.4's impact on the GT500's handling: it isn't the weight of the the engine itself that hurts it versus the 5.0, it's that the supercharger, aluminum lower intake/intercooler manifiold (which is ~100 lbs of the engine weight difference) shifts most of that weight upwards, giving the supercharged 5.4 a much higher center of gravity versus the composite intake manifold n/a 5.0. THIS is why the 5.4 hurts handling, an issue the ZR1 and ZL1 ALSO have to deal with.

@henchicken1 12 жыл бұрын

the boss is truly back! better then ever! I saw this color at the dealer it is more gold in person, super nice!

@spencerbobsue 4 жыл бұрын

lots of gvreat memories made with this car in NFS Most Wanted 2012, NFS the Run, and CSR Racing

@00000stephen 13 жыл бұрын

@MrDead67 The 428 was just an engine option not a spacific type of mustang. But the mustang that they are still missing is the Boss 429.

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph The 2011 GT500 weighs 3820 lbs & the 2011 GT 5.0 weighs 3602 lbs with base rims, base brakes, etc. Get a Track Pack and that goes up by over 30 lbs thanks to larger rims/tires, roll bars, and brakes. Beyond the engine, the GT500 has a heavier trans (TR-6060 vs MT-82), heavier brakes, heavier rim/tire combo, etc. There's a rough 200 lb difference and a solid 70 of that can be attributed to components other than the engine itself. The 5.0 weighs 430 lbs, the math is fairly simple.

@Nezzy3180 13 жыл бұрын

This car is the definition of muscle car.

@RulerOfTheKings 13 жыл бұрын

@Janusha Yeah, you're right (about the last sentence), the reason most people go for the standard V6 is because americans love the mustang, but can't afford the one step higher GT. The V6 is still powerful (305hp), has a very good price ($22,000), and is still a legend. You can say that the Mustang is the greatest bargain on the road.

@RudeAwakening27 12 жыл бұрын

Even though the new Shelby GT500 will be pretty stout with the new 5.8, I'd still go with the Boss 302. What would be awesome is if they came out with a modern version of the Boss 429.

@Mr2013GT 12 жыл бұрын

No. The 2013 GT500 is packing 662 hp in the form of a 5.8L OHC supercharged v8. The Boss 302 is all motor 5.0L....but it's lighter and can handle plenty of boost. The Crank/rods/pistons are all forged, amongst other things.

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph I said nothing about a different tune. From the factory, bone stock, a PD blower will require more transient fueling and less timing because the PD blower dump max boost into the engine at the stab of the throttle. The nature of the PD blower also requires lower compression rations. Result? Less hit than one would expect. Turbos when paired with VGT impeller, GDI/higher compression, and twin ind. VCT/VVT, can get away with less trans. fueling, more timing creating equal...

@BlueOvalTavern 12 жыл бұрын

@rizegraymon1 it has forged internals, better seats & steering wheel, and better electronics as well. Don't let the 20 hp higher rating fool you. The BOSS consistently traps 2-3 mph faster than a GT in the 1/4-mile, which indicates a 20-30 RWHP difference. The BOSS cylinder heads & cams also react much better to modifications & boost.

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph Actually, properly sized turbos especially when paired with VGT, direct injection (higher compression), and Ti-VCT (or any VVT system that allows for alteration of LSA) can provide for instantaneous boost response. Superchargers can never match the efficiency of turbos while turbos CAN match the responsiveness of the roots and twin screw superchargers.

@iMatthew98 12 жыл бұрын

As a camaro SS owner, I have to say great job ford! I love the new muscle car wars.

@MarsVengeance2 13 жыл бұрын

I'm so in love with this boss

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph The N/A 5.4 engine is irrelevant, but YOU brought it up. Of course the the 3820 lb curb weight of the 2010 GT500 is in doubt, BECAUSE THE 2010 GT500 STILL USED THE IRON BLOCK. The 2011 aluminum block GT500 weighs 3820 lbs per Ford.

@redd7188 13 жыл бұрын

@MCVPharmacyStudent don't know but its nice to know that i am not the only one who didn't agree with the headlight deletes. I think they sould have used the v6 grill

@stubobbyo 12 жыл бұрын

Love the whole n/a racing seat feel to the car. A boss would fit me better than a GT500 honestly. if 444 isn't enough for you just tune it and maybe squeeze out another 50 or 60. Or different gearing.

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph Regarding GT500 and 5.0 curb weight differences other than the engine, you can also add heat exchanger, intercooler fluid and intercooler plumbing to the GT500's weight, weight which doesn't come from the engine itself. Even the iron block s/c 5.4 4V came in at under 700s. Have you seen Ford Racing engine crates? Big wood monstrosities that include 2x4s and 1/2" to 3/4" plywood. The GT500 engine is also taller and wider, necessitating a larger/heavier crate than the 5.0 Coyote.

@steeworker98 12 жыл бұрын

I agree, they need to bring back is the boss 351 and the boss 429 options. The boss 351 is technically the same platform as the 302 but it would add another good option for this car. Just rethink the wheel combination.

@Texarmageddon 13 жыл бұрын

@LieKiller maybe you are missing the point. Do you honestly think they don't make adjustments to that essentially stock chassis? There are CLEAR reinforcements written all over the car. Bore,stroke, and displacement are ALL different from stock counterparts. Those are NOT small changes. A essentially stock car would be removing dead weight and nothing more.

@TLumVids 12 жыл бұрын

I used to despise all American cars, but after seeing this video I have gained respect for the Boss 302.

@nastang87xx 11 жыл бұрын

Well said. I hate how people keep saying that because the engine is 11:1 compression ratio, it's not a good F/I car. Balony. Get the tune done right and you can run 10 PSI all day. 9 PSI is considered SAFE with a stable and balanced tune. You can't tune this car like the old 4.6 Modular. It's a completely different animal. And that's why Mustang tuners early on kept detonating engines and the negative perception was born. They just didn't know what they were getting in to.

@fuhteng 13 жыл бұрын

@Spentbrass - I've lusted over Vettes and Vipers, but I totally agree on the rest of this.

@tbirdsport302 13 жыл бұрын

inside line just posted a ZL1 convertible full test yesterday, this boss beats most of its numbers, however the ZL1's extra weight might be why, lets hope for a hard top ZL1 test here soon.

@DontForgetDaAK 13 жыл бұрын

I drove one today, I do vallet but let me tell u guys the exhaust was just amazing on this car. Not a ford type of guy but I wouldnt mind a boss 302.

@willneverstop 12 жыл бұрын

for a car with only 440hp a 12.3 second quarter mile is SOLID

@razorfett147 13 жыл бұрын

@Janusha So what you're saying is that there ISN'T a single metric one can use to discern total handling capabilities of a given car. Well, I believe that's exactly what I was saying. There may be some truth to the idea that the tyres equipped on the car are going to have more say in the skidpad test than the car, but that's not necessarily an invalid test. They are testing FACTORY cars with FACTORY equipment (ie: tyres). Car mags aren't interested in testing cars with aftermarket equipment.

@TheFlea1987 12 жыл бұрын

Think I'll keep this for the summer and my STI for some winter fun. My 01' GT will stay in the garage though, she needs some work.

@VermontMan 13 жыл бұрын

@Hellz420 the BOSS 302 is only the beginning new variants of the camaro are being released as well. the ZL1 is first but id be shocked if you didnt see a Z28 in the future as well

@superdudeb1 12 жыл бұрын

@AdverbAdjective the N635S 5.8 “Hans Nowack Edition”, 718 hp, but yeah i never realized how many cars were supercharged.

@TheTexican05 Жыл бұрын

It looks the business and runs the numbers! 12.3 at 116 bone stock, NA is a hard charger. Only thing I would change is the factory ride height...stock height sits like a crossover SUV...

@billybobjoe444 13 жыл бұрын

They've said that if anything THIS is the time of muscle cars but I'm not convinced but the Mustang Boss 302 sure comes close and is a helluva car i wouldn't mind having

@10243612B 13 жыл бұрын

@Brianiare The Boss 302 is on sale now

@80sguitarplayer 12 жыл бұрын

@wwiiguitarhero I don't think he was comparing cylinders. He was comparing the amount of horsepower generated per liter. Basically, a Ferrari has .5 liters less displacement, and yet produces 120 more horsepower. Going off of METALLICAROCKER's stated numbers, this means that the ford produces about 88 horsepower per liter; where as the Ferrari produces about 125 Horsepower per liter. This is saying that Ferrari uses a smaller engine and yet, produces 37 more horsepower per liter.

@marem19 13 жыл бұрын

@Lynxtpm Both. The LS version is up near Porsche and corvette

@4632v 13 жыл бұрын

Congrats Ford on the Boss 302R win in grand am racing, continental tires sports car challenge. FIRST PLACE BOSS 302R, second place bmw m3. Muscle has evolved, cleaning up in road racing and proving that FORD made the solid rear axle work extremely well, now you can have both straight line solid axle advantages along with road racing superiority. WELL done with the BOSS 2012 Boss 302.

@kpz1234 13 жыл бұрын

That exhaust note is sick. As in... I want it, very badly.

@00000stephen 13 жыл бұрын

@MrDead67 Yes the 428 was standard on the gt500kr but it was also an engine option that was available for other gt mustangs as well as many other ford models like the torino. There are a few california and high country special mustangs with the CJ that are worth alot of money. You gould even get one in a mercury cougar with the eliminator package. I believe that in 1970 you could order a falcon with a 428 or even the 429 k-block which was the nascar motor.

@frankzappa71 12 жыл бұрын

I'm not a Ford guy, but they've been putting out some serious cars the past few years...

@TheHm3 13 жыл бұрын

@EyAz1717 No but there's a ZL1 and it is official and it should do under 4 seconds quite easily!

@tkotomy 12 жыл бұрын

@ClubbySuperCharged The problem with FPV is that they're huge family sized cars. If they made a 2 door it'd be an absolute monster.

@wantapgt 13 жыл бұрын

@acs4llc I understand your rationale and mostly agree. The chatter does seem to have subsided a good bit. There are people still working out exising issues, but come to think of it, I haven't heard of many new cases popping up. Its great that Ford quickly fixed the issue of the Clutch pedal sticking on the floor due to weak pedal springs. Also, there was that bulletin describing tough shifting due to pressure plate bolts loosening that was also addressed promptly. I would like to pick up a mid

@UncleSam493 12 жыл бұрын

@iliveforlife1 ur right. 5.0 isnt exactly 5 liters, they round up

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@toyoracing89 Haven't I already spelled it out? 1. Look 2. Price 3. Exclusivity 4. Performance The ZR1 misses out on 3 of 4 of those, therefore its not a supercar.

@MrThatguy122 12 жыл бұрын

this car made me respect mustangs

@blackeagles12345 13 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, normally I don't favor too much new muscle, but I do respect the heck out of the Mustang.

@SoDevious 13 жыл бұрын

@dtdeb99 The ZL1 doesn't weigh 4200lbs, you want to know how I know? Because the gross weight has yet to be released. You can expect a vehicle that weighs around 3750+ lbs. Please don't try to make some dumb rebuttal claiming that I'm wrong because I'm a GM tech.. The ZL1 also has a tiny 1.9L blower, there are 4.8L aftermarket blowers already available for the LSA.. I drive a Z06 however, so Mustangs don't bother me.

@DanielBallHBKA 13 жыл бұрын

I saw a BOSS 302 on my way to Atlanta a few days ago.

@Storm7289 13 жыл бұрын

@Greendude33 the ctsv beat the gt500 in the 1/4 because they used an auto, manual to manual its a drivers race, on willow springs the gt500 beat the ctsv coupe by .1 second, added they also tested it with the optional recaro seats and five point harness which lessened the lap time tremendously for such a small modification.

@supermedz 12 жыл бұрын

I love how I saw a camry SE commercial before this

@GODs_Son777 13 жыл бұрын

@MrLambolover123 It's called 302 for the cubic inches of the engine.

@Storm7289 13 жыл бұрын

@Greendude33 I think its a bit more than decent, i for one congratulate ford for doing a very good job with this car

@TheHm3 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph The problem with the Zr1 is that and this goes for every Corvette, the wheel spin. The Zr1 has sticky tires, but they aren't enough to keep back 638 beastly horses. I think they've got no problem with the handling but the only problem is that the wheel spin on the car is massive, well not as massive as a Mustang which at the launch will keep spinning and beg for grip. But there is enough to put it behind its rivals in a 1/4 mile.

@ThePantyDroper 12 жыл бұрын

When I bought my F150 in sept I saw the boss in the showroom. I was SO tempted to buy that instead. But a mustang isn't exactly great at hauling construction materials and supplies. Maybe one day I can find one used and a little more affordable but I have a feeling this car will hold it's value for a very long time.

@razorfett147 13 жыл бұрын

@grenade350 There's much more that goes into deciding a car's MSRP than the expense of the parts that are used to build it.

@RedCell117 11 жыл бұрын

You are what we need more of. A Chevy fan who loves a Ford, who loves any car. Fuck fanboys, you and me are the true auto enthusiasts.

@TheHm3 13 жыл бұрын

@EyAz1717 But the Mustang is high revving, the small displacement does not matter in this case. Also, 5L engine should've gotten 500 horses or more, but moving on, it is high revving.... while most muscles are very low revving cars.

@acs4llc 13 жыл бұрын

@Greendude33 I'm taking about today. That C&D test was 5 years ago and the GT500 has gotten lighter with more HP plus suspension upgrades. I agree the Corvette GS is faster on paper but that doesn't always translate to the track. In this case it doesn't. You can call the Corvette's drivers idiots for losing to a Mustang but we have to assume all drivers are on an even playing field. Unless you have specific info on a particularly inept Corvette driver, you're wrong..

@dtdeb99 13 жыл бұрын

@norrisnail0808 the top speed with the economy key is governor limited at 155 but with the track key its what ever it can go, the speedometer goes to 180 so most likely sonewhere around there..

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph The original Thunderbird was essentially a luxo-Vette, similar in principle with a bit less emphasis on sport and a bit more on style. The original T-Bird was a good response to Vette, but it in no way is a successor to the FGT or fitting for halo car duty. More than likely Thunderbird and the GT-successor are different projects.

@wharghoul 13 жыл бұрын

@MrBaldman009 You DO know that the LeMans Vette shares only 2 frame rails and a block with any factory model, right? The C6R is a purpose built race car with a Corvette bodykit.

@fitz207 13 жыл бұрын

@adriank9 Ford is under rating the Boss' HP numbers. I've heard they are really making around 475-485 in reality. The Boss is more about total performance.

@ElfCrotchPuncher 2 жыл бұрын

Sold mine to buy a shelby. Regretted it since day 3. It took 4 years but I got my competition orange boss back. Unless you're buying exclusively a track car, the Boss is the greatest overall Mustang muscle car. New ones are neat but are very sports car like. Simply not as rough and fun to drive.

@andrefecteau 3 жыл бұрын

Still have my 96 Cobra...recall how exotic that was the year it dropped? 32V all aluminum V8, 5spd, big brakes, radio, A/C...what else do you really need? Ok, yeah, I put a Kenne Bell supercharger on it...opa

@necessaryevil101 13 жыл бұрын

@Spentbrass, well said sir :) It started with the terminator and its finally passing the torch to a worthy comrade :)

@allmtrwhor3 12 жыл бұрын

I grew up around fords my whole life ( dad collected and built mustangs all NA) and I am into honda's. I have to say, this is actually very cool. Props to ford for not d**king around and making an awesome engine out the box.

@redd7188 13 жыл бұрын

@dddjjf you should praise motor trend because they are the only mag to get a 2010 camaro in the 12's. So what do you mean motor trend is biased?

@furiousaaron 12 жыл бұрын

What? where did you hear that it would be 5k more? The reason they kept the solid axel is because almost all mustangs have been a solid axel, some people say thats what defines it as a true muscle car.

@Cash2112 13 жыл бұрын

12.3 @ 116 mph is flying; with slicks you're looking at an 11 second car. . .

@10243612B 13 жыл бұрын

@Cash2112 There is a video of a Boss 302 with slicks only, no other mods 11.7 @ 117 2012 Boss 302 - First Boss in the 11's

@mynameisdanxyz123 13 жыл бұрын

@hemroidalrampage the boss isnt even forced induction and motor trend claims "while the new Camaro ZL1 has improved suspension and a lot more power, we don't think it stands a chance against this Boss on a racetrack."

@acs4llc 13 жыл бұрын

@Greendude33 Pulled up the dash cam video "Laguna Seca GT3 1:38.6" and ran it simultaneously with "M3 Killer! Boss 302 Laps...". The faster GT3 pulls away from the Boss everywhere EXCEPT thru the Cork Screw. If you get them to pass under the Mother's bridge at the same moment, they exit the Cork Screw & cross the next bridge exactly in step.

@sTaRzzoG 12 жыл бұрын

Just got a 2012 V6 3days ago,I love it :D

@331Grabber 13 жыл бұрын

@sidefx996 I just read that the ZL1 IS the Z28. They decided ZL1 was a more appropriate name.

@VermontMan 13 жыл бұрын

@Hellz420 the numbers dont lie. this one even out turned the STI. you sir have no leg to stand on.

@highflyer4 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph Its actually the vid where they race the gt500 against the Z06 corvette and the New Nissan GT-R. Insidelinevideo has a actual review of the 2011 gt500. Sure of course the boss is faster around the track then the gt500. But if you put proper tires on the gt500 it will actually be a lot closer then you think, its easy an 11 sec car with some good shoes on.

@skillz1855 13 жыл бұрын

@RulerOfTheKings I like what theyve done with the BOSS, they dont need turbos to get 12,s like every EURO/JAP car on the market that has repectable numbers, slight mods and ur in the 10,s u dont need a 10 sec car from the factory, it leaves nothing to work on or enhance, and yes american has been building 12 sec cars since the 60's ( Z-06 does 10's with a good driver )

@9DodgeFan 13 жыл бұрын

When you guys put the GT500 in the Five-Figure supercar shootout, I thought "There's no way a Mustang should be in a 'supercar' shootout", and by the way it performed (compared to the 'Vette and GT-R), I think I was correct at the time. On the other hand, I guess THIS Mustang proves that wrong!!!

@razorfett147 13 жыл бұрын

@Janusha It's not the end all telling of handling capability, no. But it does give a very basic measure of how well the car will adhere to an apex on a hard turn. It's just another system of basic measure......like 0-60 and slalom times. The only true measure of handling is in lap times, which only mean anything if compared to all other cars running on the exact same track under the exact same conditions, which is harder to achieve for most car mags.

@wantapgt 13 жыл бұрын

@acs4llc (continued...) I would like to pick up a mid-late year 2012 model. Seems like all the bugs will be worked out by then, if they are not all good already! Amazing car the base GT is, and the BOSS has got to be beyond words!

@LieKiller 13 жыл бұрын

@DocWolph I imagine your think your opinion carries more weight than it does. I've also noted you take corrections somewhat personally. So here's another: the 5.4 was introduced in 1997, not 1991. Another: the aluminum 5.4 adds 130 lbs to the GT500 versus the Coyote Another: I've disproven everything you've tried to argue, namely the 717 lb weight of the FGT engine and your misconceptions about turbo lag.

@man36021 13 жыл бұрын

@SOFSoldier1 Dude, the laguna seca doesen't have the backseat, but this one does. So if you want true racing performance get the boss because it handels better AND STILL HAS A BACKSEAT.