As an ex 2013 grabber blue Boss 302 owner, I also approve of this video.

@@mrjjthor I originally wanted the grabber blue but couldn't get it because they had already reached the factory numbers for the blue. I settled on the performance white and was lucky that my local dealership was in line to receive a Boss from the factory. I had them order it with every option available.

Eh I’d say the gt350 overall

Like comment & subscribe @302 Nightmares & watch him go through the process of adding twin turbos to him 2k12 Boss 302!!!

As a 12 boss owner I don't approve of this message lol. Na you guys got the better rear end and sync

I agree with you brother, I bought one 8 days ago and it’s incredible, it’s stone cold a no non sense track car !

Good for you Scoobert :⁠-⁠) I think these cars are unique and remind me of the old Muscle feel/sound of yesterday. I was an eighties kid, that couldn't afford old muscle that was left at the time. Love that they are back. Some better than others. The Boss checks the box for me :⁠-⁠) Enjoy your new toy fellow Boss alumni.

This car will be worth a fortune in 15-20 years

I agree with you on that point. The drivability of the MT82 is alright, in my opinion, but the Tremec would have made more sense for the type of car that the Boss is.

Problems with mt82 is because the clutch is really bad from factory

Owning a 2013 Boss, i cant believe how they tested and tuned their preprod car , and not realize you could not shift gears. There was an obvious screw up between development and supply/production. The fact that i knew about that and bought it anyway say all about the passion this car awakens, despite its few flaws.

Yes - definitely it’s weak link, although it can be improved greatly with an MGW Race Spec shifter and the organic version of the McLeod Twin-Disk clutch. I run those along with a lightweight steel flywheel and one-piece aluminum driveshaft and it shifts beautifully and spins up faster due to the lightened rotating mass - best first mods to make imho.

Sadly the hearing is all wrong. But if your drive with a deft touch you’ll have no issues. I’ve tracked my 2012 Boss all over North America since February 2011 with no issues.

I agree Yardman! Different, rare and tons of fun! I found mine four years old with 1800kms on it. Mint! Very wealthy family with exquisite car collection. Demon on the way, Boss on its way out. A too good to be true story, that turned out true! Mines staying in shop, until they put me in a home. Pretty sure it's just move to our son's after that, lol. Keep on smiling Yardman. Life is good as "Boss" :⁠-⁠)

Mach 1 is returning, got a good feeling 302 will be next. Ford would be fools not to

@@2URLex Ford is a foolish company lately. Mach e intensifies.

@@Trig. ugh don’t remind me lol they’re all taking of electrifying their flagship cars.

@@2URLex The real issue here is calling a fugly soccer mom crossover suv a mustang ;) I’d love a true EV mustang. But I’m keeping my 13 Boss forever.

@@kalasmournrex1470 makes me feel bad for guys that are going to buy the new “lightning” such a shame.

Thank you very much!

Just got got mine insured by Hagerty classic/collectable car insurance ! With only 15,000 miles its valued for what I paid for it in 2013!

What color, what year Paul? Performance White 13 for me, and for life :⁠-⁠) Welcome to the club :⁠-⁠)

If you had the boss 302 and shelby 350, what do you feel are the pros and cons of both. Asking because those are the 2 cars I am looking at right now. Thank you.

Sorry for your loss Noah. You've been bitten by the muscle car bug now, lol. It's infectious and lasts a lifetime! I was 10 in the 70's when bitten, now have a Boss and a Z06. This disease can be expensive, tons of fun, and I mean loads and loads of fun. So don't fret, you to can survive it, lol. Cheers from Canada, and may your life be blessed with future muscle, in car form :⁠-⁠)

Its not meant for making huge power tho its mean for the track and a bunch of boost doesnt necessarily help it do that

@@lollol-xp4mc I know what the car was meant for, but a Boss motor can take more boost than a GT500 of the same year. And trust me there's more people boosting their cars than tracking them.

No such thing as an 11 boss. They only made it in 12-13

@@BossMan302 yeah I know, I misspoke. I was referring to the bodystyle before the facelift in 2013.

@@christenn32 this is false you can throw 20 + psi at a gt500 it has low compression boss has high compression like the coyote but ultimate power making potential is about the same as far as rwhp on stock motor both can safely do around 800+ with good fuel and good tune etc. Both have powdered forged rods which isnt as good as forged but still very capable (obviously). It really isn't about "how much boost you can take" that depends alot on fuel and compression. The gt500 runs alot higher boost for the same power because it has real low compression. So the gt500 can "take more boost" because of that alone but that doesn't really matter because both can get to 800+ fairly safely with high octane fuel and good tune. Two diff ways to make power and that really isn't the point just disagreeing with your comment about boss being able to "take more boost" than a gt500 lol.

I hope to! If I‘d like to find one in Grabber Blue or School Bus Yellow when the time comes!

You aren’t wrong! It’s on my list😎 Haha

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You found it that much more rewarding than a gt350? Wow! Thanks for your honesty, as I have a Boss, but have never been in a gt. Really like mine, but wondered if the muscle experience would be better in an independent newer chassis? I'll buy a newer chassis if ever that intrigued, but not selling my PW Boss. Thanks Mr Ghost :⁠-⁠)

@@billmcmeekin7909I had a ‘13 Boss for 3 years and loved it. Switched to a GT350 and missed the Boss. After 3 years I went to a ‘14 GT500. Both the Boss and the GT500 are way more fun to drive than the GT350.

It ain't nearly as bad as people make it out to be and you can get a stage 3 mt82 from calimer for like 1800 and it can hold up to like 1000 hp or something. T56 magnum is another great option. The clutch and shifter are most of the problem stock change those out it makes a world of difference.

@@midnight347 I have a calimer Stage 3 waiting in my garage to go on,this comment of mine is quite old 😂

Jack James I recently( March) sold my daily driven 2012 Boss that had 85,000 miles on it! I also, have the 2017 GT350 and daily drive it , now have 28500 miles on it. Cars are meant to be driven!

@@mustangdaddy4125 Yessir! Love driving my Boss 302 every single day

I daily my 2012 Boss. 62k miles. Just did a track day at Thompson Speedway a few days ago. Awesome car.

@@stickboy1035 Dope bro! I just drove 17 hours to North Dakota! Just over 1,200 miles! I gotta make that trip back home in a week lol

Good. Tired of garage queens.

It's a GT500 wing. I installed one as well on my 13 Boss. Liked the look better than the thin spoiler that came stock. American muscle sells them and they come in a mat black.

I did not because I have not had a chance to drive either of those cars; however, the Roush and Shelby are both supercharged powerhouses that are focused much more on straight-line speed than they are on cornering capabilities. I can tell you right now that while they’re all Mustangs, the Boss 302 is designed for a very different job than those two cars.

​@@GrahamCain the gt500 is a different kind of car. Like you said it's more brute power and torque and raw straight line oriented type experience. They can be good handling cars with upgrades but that isn't what they do best imo. I love my 07 gt500 it's a raw beastly car with a gen3r on it has 750/700ish to the wheels (look at that torque!) And the peak numbers only tell part of it. The driving experience is completely different. The boss is a better car if being balanced and handling matters more to you. I love them both I'd like to have a boss along with my gt500. The gt500 has a way better transmission and the old school firing order makes it sound so much better although the boss sounds amazing too (love the side pipes). They aren't really comparable one is more ideal for straight line brute muscle car performance the boss is a better balanced handling car. I don't like the roush compared to either imo the gt500 and boss are both more special. Roush is kind of overpriced for what you get imo. At the end of the day it's essentially a factory modified gt mustang it even says gt on their title. I would not get a roush over either a gt500 or a boss. Which one of those you choose depends what you want. If you want a high powered positive displacement blower car with a stout manual behind it the gt500 is the easiest way to get that and they have torque for days. If you want a well balanced handling car that can perform great na or with a power adder the boss is a great car. It's performance holds up even today. The newest mustangs aren't even much better than a boss on paper and the driving experience pales in comparison to the s197 cars.

The roadrunner is basically a gen 2 coyote with a boss manifold on it. The bottom end of the gen 2 coyote was derived from the boss. The gen 3 is similar but added the di and more compression etc. It didn't need a boss motor what it needed was to be differentiated from the gt more than it was. Only having a gt350 manifold aka the outgoing bullet motor is ridiculous and people still Herold the Mach like it's some amazing mustang. I didn't like the new Mach from the beginning it's one of multiple things Ford has got wrong in the last 2 or 3 years and it continues.

GT350 has better road manners, and its 5.2 is an engine like no other; however, the Boss offers a raw and pure experience that few other cars can achieve thanks to its simplicity. It's a very tough choice. They're very similar cars in so many ways, but very different in a few key areas. Personally, I'd likely choose a well looked after Boss, but mainly because I'm a sucker for the 13-14 body style, and the Boss is probably the most impressive version of that platform.

@@GrahamCain thanks for the input my friend

I agree with you, but nothing is perfect! The transmission is a tough issue to fix but driveshafts are easily replaceable and there are a lot of things that you can do to improve the feel of the MT82; and if you're really feeling bold, you can swap the MT82 for a Tremec.

@@GrahamCain A blowfish bracket and clutch is also a must.

Blowfish Racing shifter bracket that doubles as a driveshaft safety loop

Stock is junk I heard. First thing you get is MGW shifter. Your problem solved

ITS THE CLUTCH... the remote mount shifter is fine it does flex a little but your getting high rpm lockout from the clutch... but a twin disc McLeod in it and problem solved.. also drives better than stock feel

I also have a school bus yellow with 30K miles on it. Clutch/shifter was replaced. No problem shifting at 7500 rpm even with no-lift shift. One thing to note though, I separated my brake oil reservoir from transmission.

Rst twin disc clutch and mgw shifter and you r problems will be a thing of the past. I have that setup in my 07 gt500 (different trans) it's ungodly amazingly good. I know it would be for mt82 also.

The gt500 has nothing to do with the boss or why it went away. It was planned as a 2 year run just like 69-70 from the beginning. The 12 has stripes like a 69 the 13 has stripes like a 70. It's to pay homage to the original.

@@midnight347 Who said anything about the GT500? While the return of the boss 302 paid homage to the original trans-am cars of the 70s, it did not stop there. It's target competition was the E92 M3, which it dominated. It was also affordable and candidly fast. The 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 was an incredibly successful automobile, thus making it a worthy predecessor for the now iconic 2015 Ford Shelby GT350.

Your dad used to be cool

@@BrandonCockridge18 Still is. It's the drunk driver that never was. Car didn't make it, but luckily, my dad is still here.

Yes, yes indeed. Perhaps a non-copyrighted version for KZfaq. It definitely sounded different to me compared to the song version on my Music app

UnorthodoxMasterOfGames good point I was just confirming

UnorthodoxMasterOfGames it could also be gimmie shelter by merry Clayton

It was the same from 2010-2014, the 13 & 14 have a facelift which is the same front end except for the grill that the gt500 had

@@sergsoir1691 2010 v6 made 210hp 2013 makes 305hp 2010 does not have track apps or center screen . 2013 has better looking tail lights . 2013 has ambient lighting . 2010 did not have 5.0 coyote available.

​@@bluedinero3055 mustangs have had ambient lighting as an option since way back in like 2007ish?

I have driven a GT350. They’re incredible cars and one of my all time favorites; however, the boss is better. The problem with the GT350 boils down to the chassis itself. This is something that I’ve talked about in the past that still holds true here. The s550 is an excellent platform and on paper they make for much better cars, but that isn’t everything. What’s beautiful about the S197 is that they are a simple, old-school platform. Because of this, the S197 gives the driver a raw, visceral experience that you just don’t get from the S550. For me, the Boss 302 and the GT350 are my top two Mustangs of all time, but the Boss beats out the GT350 simply because the S197 platform offers a seat-of-your-pants driving experience that the finely tuned S550 just can’t deliver.

I agree 100% with Graham. Well said. I own a 2013 Boss, and have driven the GT350. Both are great cars, but you’re PART of the Boss, and just the driver in the GT350. I told my wife I felt insulated from the GT350, as great as it was to drive. If someone held up two sets of keys, I’d choose the Boss for the overall driving experience.

@@GrahamCain you must be on drugs. I’ve driven a boss and own a 16 Gt350. They’re not even on the same ball park. The Shelby is on another level and the mt82 sucks to say the least. I would actually say the newer performance pack cars are better than the boss. The boss is a great car but it’s a dinosaur. They’re just not comparable.

Lol. Each and every way? Lol. The only advantage a GT350 has is IRS. GT350 flat plane crank is a novelty vibrator that has been plagued with reliability issues from day one. So much so Ford yanked it out of their GT4 cars and put back in....wait for it... the Boss Road Runner engine. The Boss 302 won multiple GT4 Championships. GT350...not so much. Add a tune and headers to a Boss 302 and your over 500 hp. Reliably. The market is awash in GT350s that are still being pumped out since ‘16. There are likely 15000 GT350s at this point. The Boss? 2 year limited production. Only 1500 Leguna Secas to boot. In years to come collectors will be seeking out the Boss. Market is already bearing this out. GT350? Again, not so much. Cheers.

@@evanharris3802 Your delusional to say the least. You lost me at the Boss will be a collector item someday and the Gt350 not so much? That comment tells me everything I need to know about your “knowledge “ concerning these cars. The Boss was a nice exit from the previous platform but no one cars now and it’s platform is rudimentary at best. The Gt350 is light years ahead for a sports car. I don’t care how much you can boost the Boss. It’s a dinosaur.

For sale?

Sean AKA Wayne Sold 2 weeks ago :( Now I feel empty not seeing it in my garage. The car was a beast.

I had to show my wife your comments, lol. I have two cars in the garage, a 13 PW Boss, and an 09 Atomic Orange Z06. You made my day. Cheers from Canucksville :⁠-⁠)

@@billmcmeekin7909 Yes my friend. That's true. don't sell them, you won't buy anything better. Cherrs from Poland

@@mateuszm.7126 Thank you for the enthusiasm :⁠-⁠) I'm presently building my 1985 GMC stepside. I've had it since 87. Full suspension and 450 HP drivetrain swap. Just started, and living the dream. Cheers to Poland and hot rods forever :⁠-⁠)

Well I have a 12 Carrera GTS too. Completely different. BOTH are awesome rides

ZL1 will be long forgotten when collectors are looking for Boss 302s.

Until you throw a blower on the boss and mop the floor with the zl1 for alot less money 💰