2014 BMW 650 N63 Timing codes & Fix

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DTech Engineering

DTech Engineering

3 жыл бұрын

In this video I show how I went about finding out why it runs rough and how to use a scope to verify if an engine is safe to save when it comes to failed timing. And show what the cause and fix was with a finished repair.

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@djosbun
@djosbun 3 жыл бұрын
What a huge difference in the 'before' and 'after' repair! Your diagnostic skills have to be the best in the Cincinnati area. Well done, Sadel!
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, appreciate that , and thanks for watching
@davesterl
@davesterl 3 жыл бұрын
great bit of proof on the pressure transducer. love the flags on the wall too
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Dave, definitely are able to use the transducer in many ways to get accurate info, and yes those are some cool flags, thanks for watching!
@thedirtsurfer2666
@thedirtsurfer2666 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video! Thank you for your hard work
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful and thank you for watching
@naabilzeng9474
@naabilzeng9474 3 жыл бұрын
much appreciated for the video
@billshaughnessy3955
@billshaughnessy3955 3 жыл бұрын
awesome diag and fix!
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching
@JoelAutomotiveInaction
@JoelAutomotiveInaction 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again good diagnóstic, I wa wondering when you did the cranking compresión that sounds was un even ,like weak battery but looks to me on the red trace incilinder you have double compresión stroke, and that is the reason why the engine cranks slow having 2 cylinder at the same time compresión , I would have love to see in good running conditions incilinder wave form, also relative compresión at the very beginning would have been awesome to see 3 humps or 4 humps of compresión.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Joel, yes that cranking sound was not normal because the engine was fighting itself to compress cylinders that normally shouldn't be compressing at certain times. I unfortunately did not save the relative compression waveform I performed, I tried to look for it when I put the video together but nowhere to be found. But I will say on another car that had the same problem (08 mini cooper out of time and had a second compression looking hump) I performed relative compression and that second hump never did show up on the waveform and the cranking didn't sound abnormal. So sometimes the relative compression test will show you the second looking compression and other times it won't. So it's best to go in cylinder to verify. Thanks for watching
@tintoverano
@tintoverano 3 жыл бұрын
hi, another great video - when VVT is on, solenoids not disabled, the cranking waveform is OK, not sure about the intake bump though, if you disabled VVT, you get the usual cranking in-cylinder waveform
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tintoverano and glad you enjoyed !
@mikimiki195
@mikimiki195 Жыл бұрын
Hey I have question How do you make sure camshafts are not under tension? Is it when cylinder 1 is at 150 TDC?
@eacherenkeka
@eacherenkeka 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Finally I saw the exhaust compression hump all the way up in a waveform! I always picture it in my mind because never goes up. This was awesome! Did you open the phaser just for curiosity? As Joel I thought it was a not fully charged battery when cranking but later we saw why it did that! Thank you brother!
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keka, yes I did open up the phaser, there is a return spring inside that had popped off its locating position and so it was stuck not in the correct installation position, causing the cam to be in the wrong timed phase.
@MiguelMartinez-np8uo
@MiguelMartinez-np8uo 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always , the only thing I would have done differently is to change all the phasers since one of them went bad the others may go bad as well including the chain .
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Miguel, Yes I understand possibly going that route, but this was the decision made to make sure engine was ok. thank you for watching
@honorablewiz7447
@honorablewiz7447 7 ай бұрын
the path of least resistance
@cedriccarindo6026
@cedriccarindo6026 2 жыл бұрын
when there was the synchronization problem tell me if the accelerator pedal worked? it was possible to accelerate the car from a standstill by pressing the accelerator ??? because I just redid my n63 engine and it's the same by replacing the timing chain. when starting it, the idle is unstable, it is impossible to accelerate the vehicle to get up in the turns. like an impression that the butterflies are not controlled by the accelerator pedal. I have already checked everything. I just need the timing adjustment to be checked.
@mikimiki195
@mikimiki195 Жыл бұрын
Someone misdiagnosed engine Your buddy got 650 on sale You did great job fixing it
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
it was cool to bring this one back to life, thank you for watching
@constantink3721
@constantink3721 9 ай бұрын
Watched your video - If I may ask a question - what's the benefit (other than seeing the sharp valve closing - which incidentally wasnt sharp on the first waveform) to using a fancy transducer? cant one measure compression in the bank and if all cylinders are about equal compression loss but still some present assumes no interference occurred?
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 9 ай бұрын
yes that would be a test to perform to attempt to gather good data on the status of the engines health
@johnozier4001
@johnozier4001 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Keka, For this Great video. I'm having the same problem with my 2012 BMW 750LI. Did you remove the Engine to fix the timing issue? I would have loved to see the video of you fixing this.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
John, No I didn't have to remove the engine I was able to get it done in the car
@johnozier4001
@johnozier4001 Жыл бұрын
@@DTEAuto Do you have any videos on it being done?
@derekkchung
@derekkchung 6 ай бұрын
I admire your diagnostic. I wish I have the tool and understanding to do the same. The chain guides on N63 is notoriously bad. They turn brown in color become brittle. Your guides are very brown and will not last long. However it is still the best decision if u see the root cause (VANOS sprocket) as changing timing guides is not easy (engine out). You should also have remove the oil pan (surprisingly easy for N63) to see if any chunks of debris from chain guides or anywhere.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 6 ай бұрын
Yes all good points for sure, but on this one the customer just wanted to get it running to make sure engine and rest of the car was ok
@carlosaguilar1945
@carlosaguilar1945 8 ай бұрын
Doing this job with n my 2011 750i I had e bank 2 exhaust cam retarted replaced VVT with no success I also have a 2012 750li so I used a known hood working solenoid same outcome removed valve cover bank 2 only sure enough time was off ordered adjuster plus new bolt throwing it on this Sunday hoping everything comes out well
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 8 ай бұрын
Good luck and I hope you get it figure out
@thecarsurgeon529
@thecarsurgeon529 4 ай бұрын
How did everything go?
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
They say it's vale cover gaskets but no oil leak is nowhere in sight and not even on spark plugs that got change so I figured that's not it. And bmw passport said 6300 for vale cover replacement
@Swag.864
@Swag.864 Жыл бұрын
Did u ever take apart of the sprocket to see if damage? I might have same issue...timing won't line up after I finish doing timing and rotate motor
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
Yes, I did, the locking/return spring had come off its position which led to the gear spinning off of its original installation spot.
@Swag.864
@Swag.864 Жыл бұрын
@DTEAuto thanks for the fast response and I'm going to check if I'm having that same issue!
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
I need your help please I have 2014 650ix
@richardwright8717
@richardwright8717 Жыл бұрын
What does a fix like that cost?
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
I need you help please I have the same car nobody can figure out what's going on
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
I took to another place and it popped up with to codes witch was vanoes solenoids so they currently replacing them now I supposed to get my car back Monday is witch is tomorrow
@liaquatliaquat1755
@liaquatliaquat1755 Жыл бұрын
Same problem n63 bmw in my workshop
@mintech1000
@mintech1000 Жыл бұрын
Can you change the timing chain and the timing chain components without taking out the engine ? Thank you.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
Yes I believe you can
@ManuelWhiskey-3UHF
@ManuelWhiskey-3UHF Жыл бұрын
What did you have to remove to get to check the timing. I have a ‘14 750 with fault 164043.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
the valve covers have to be removed and access to the crank pulley
@ManuelWhiskey-3UHF
@ManuelWhiskey-3UHF Жыл бұрын
@@DTEAuto BTW, great video and amazing diagnostics Sadel! I was concerned on having to remove the turbos and exhaust.
@patricklamanna3924
@patricklamanna3924 Жыл бұрын
yep this is the n63 for you ive rebuilt 2 complete top ends on e70s and basically the valve stem seals where out to lunch and the first e70 the plastic on the cam adjusters on 3 had completley gone. basically you have just through money at them and get everything you neeed. there oil interval schedules that bmw state are ridiculous.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, those intervals are way too far spread out, thank you for watching
@dwayneedwards8397
@dwayneedwards8397 2 жыл бұрын
I have a bmw 650igc 2014. And showing code p054B. What do you think is the problem?.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 2 жыл бұрын
Not too sure on that code but quick search shows common issue is faulty or dirty vanos solenoids, other than that it would need to be diagnosed.
@jayl8813
@jayl8813 Жыл бұрын
Any thoughts what would cause a cam jumped tooth code? Multi misfires on bank 2. 2011 S63 engine
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
It's hard to say, but two things would possible phaser gear failure like in this video, or chain stretch issue. Both would affect base timing and would need to attempt to differentiate between the two by testing.
@jayl8813
@jayl8813 Жыл бұрын
@@DTEAuto I have most disassembled to replace phasers,Vanos sel. And timing chain & guilds. Do the heads need to come off for timing cover to release? Im really hoping to not pull the heads. Thank you
@jayl8813
@jayl8813 Жыл бұрын
I have replaced timing chain rod bearings. Swapped injectors,coils,plugs repaired vac leaks, tested cam sensors pretty much swapped everything form bank 2 to bank 1. Code remains on 6&8 always. Low compression or intake phaser? Did run great for a bit after a reset then it triggered again once it idled down.
@jayl8813
@jayl8813 Жыл бұрын
I’ve replaced both phasers. Set timing. Still get cps code but only when engine hot. Thoughts? I’ve swapped sensors code stays. Pls help.
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
Have ever heard of this, I just only had the car for two weeks I got it from a dealer in va. But soon I got the car from the dealer week after dealer went out of business. And my warranty was already out of because it was over 70miles for warranty
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
you need to fine out what trouble codes it is throwing and then find out what is causing it to run bad. I cannot attempt to help if I don't even know what codes it is currently having. Let me know if you can get a full dme report.
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
Codes are 108D01, 11B702, 120908, 12BA02, 130F21, 140601, 140602 that's from a bmw specialist, at bmw passport says vavle cover but it's not that I'm sure. Took to another place they said vanoes solenoids that didn't work took to another place they say since it several misfires change spark plugs and coils and injectors, I got everything replace other then fuel injector, didn't get that done because on 650ix have a extended warranty for fuel injectors and O2 sensor and camshaft for that car, it's currently in silver spring at bmw. They said my ivm module was no good so they replaced that and now they say they getting timing fault code, $545 for that and the part for the ivm module is only 145. Ok so I didn't pay yet cause they told me that should of fixed it like the other place with vanoes solenoids charged me $1305 for that and it didn't fix it. I already spent almost 3600 dollar on this car. Bmw said now they getting no codes other then timing fault.
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
Bmw dealer all telling me something different it's like they don't know and just want money from me.
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a email so I can send you dme
@user-wq6fp8ph6w
@user-wq6fp8ph6w 11 ай бұрын
Salut
@MrFlyNikolai
@MrFlyNikolai 3 жыл бұрын
Hey brother I have 2010 BMW 750Li, just got the 4 Vanos Solenoids changed. Car runs much better all codes gone except one... 131001 Crankshaft - inlet camshaft 2, reference: angle difference outside limit value Is that something to do with Camshaft timing? If so, how much in labor would it cost to time the engine...like you did
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, as far as that code description goes, it is related to timing issue not being aligned at some point , whether its due to chain issue or cam phaser not phasing properly. Unfortunately it is a very time consuming job if were needing to do any type of timing work and it gets very expensive quickly,
@raymondchen6720
@raymondchen6720 3 жыл бұрын
You have a completely different motor the TU is essentially a completely different block
@ralphdesilva3438
@ralphdesilva3438 3 жыл бұрын
did you ever figure out the issue?
@MrFlyNikolai
@MrFlyNikolai 3 жыл бұрын
@@ralphdesilva3438 Not yet, deciding which route I want to go. Either new engine, or fix the timing. The engines for these cars are pretty cheap, at $3k You can buy one & get it installed for around $5k total. It's most likely the Camshaft Exhaust gear/adjuster on the drivers side though. If I can get the labor for a reasonable price, I'm going replace it with a new gear
@ralphdesilva3438
@ralphdesilva3438 3 жыл бұрын
So would you still use the old chain?
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
The right side of my turbo is knocking and the exhaust is popping and check engine light is on in park it's idling rough and in drive it's hiccuping loss of power n shaking drivetrain malfunction comes on soons I start the car
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
I need your help I have 650ix 2014 every body saying something different
@liaquatliaquat1755
@liaquatliaquat1755 Жыл бұрын
Hi sir
@brandonfernald257
@brandonfernald257 9 ай бұрын
Surprised you can change out a phaser without having to drop the engine in that cat with an N63
@kiethadams1444
@kiethadams1444 Жыл бұрын
Went to several bmw specialist they all said something different I took it to bmw passport
@bugeye02707
@bugeye02707 10 ай бұрын
How many hours that take you? A person i know has a 2011 bmw 550i that has the same bad exhaust sprocket on bank 2, has misfire codes on 5,6,7 cylinders and p0025 exhaust camshaft position over retarded bank 2.
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 10 ай бұрын
its a big job, depends if you work on it straight or do a little at a time. Mine took at least a week of on and off
@bugeye02707
@bugeye02707 10 ай бұрын
@@DTEAuto ah ok gotcha, going to work on it from start to finish, on the cam sprockets they have markings to line up to camshaft or they go on however?
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto 10 ай бұрын
the gear/phaser goes on any which way I believe, which is why you have to use the timing tools to set the cams
@bugeye02707
@bugeye02707 10 ай бұрын
@@DTEAuto ok awsome thanks, i have the timing tool kit.
@davepnola5322
@davepnola5322 26 күн бұрын
U can change the phaser without loosing the chain tensioners ?
@wendellgreenidge3362
@wendellgreenidge3362 Жыл бұрын
I thought you replaced the timing chain but I guess that wasn’t the case
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
the gear actuator phaser is what had failed on this one and is what I replaced
@wendellgreenidge3362
@wendellgreenidge3362 Жыл бұрын
@@DTEAuto I was going to ask you how you got the timing cover back on because I’m doing that job now and I’m guessing I will have to remove the cylinder head to install the front timing cover
@liaquatliaquat1755
@liaquatliaquat1755 Жыл бұрын
But intake bank 2
@DTEAuto
@DTEAuto Жыл бұрын
they would have to check and diagnose to see if the phaser/gear is the issue
@Come8033.
@Come8033. Жыл бұрын
VANOS ( Variable Camshaft Timing ) inlet 2 solenoid valve : control fault , camshaft stuck ؟..BMW M6 N63 engine
@Come8033.
@Come8033. Жыл бұрын
VANOS ( Variable Camshaft Timing ) exhaust 2 solenoid valve : control fault , camshaft stuck؟..
@demetreiusmayes5403
@demetreiusmayes5403 Жыл бұрын
Hey mine has the same problem now what was the problem and what solved the problem?
@demetreiusmayes5403
@demetreiusmayes5403 Жыл бұрын
@@Come8033.let me know bro I appreciate the help
@AndelinaDjina
@AndelinaDjina Ай бұрын
Hi i have same problem i have mistfire on bank 2 cilinder 5 6 8 codes 131101 140501 140601 140801
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