2016 Triumph Tiger XCX vs. BMW F800GS | Comparison Test Ride Review

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7 жыл бұрын

We put the 2016 Triumph Tiger XCX against the classic BMW F800GS to see which is the best middleweight adventure bike.
Both the Tiger XCX and the F800GS have the same specs: a 21 inches front wheel, similar wind protections, similar chassis and electronics. But there is one big difference: the engine. While the #BMW uses the 800 cc parallel twin, the Triumph has a 800 cc inline-three cylinder power plant.
To see what these bikes are capable of, we tested them both on curvy roads and off-road. The Tiger XCX was fitted with Continental TCK 80 tires, while the F800GS’ tires were Michelin Anakee II.
So, which is the best middleweight adventure motorcycle? The new Triumph Tiger XCX or the BMW F800GS. Join us to find out!
Also, check out our 2016 #Triumph Tiger XCX Test Review on • 2016 Triumph Tiger 800...
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@bigman-adv
@bigman-adv 7 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, Very nice video. A few comments about the Tiger 800 XCx: 1. Stock tires are just poorly chosen by Triumph. They are 95/5 at best. Changing the tires to proper Enduro tires such as Mitas E07/E10 does wonders to off road capabilities. 2. Triumph geared the XCx incorrectly - the 1st gear is too high. Changing the front counter sprocket from 16 teeth to 15 makes a big difference with low rpm, and is easy and cheap 3. Reset of the off-road mode - yes, a pain in the ass for sure. But instead of shutting down the engine with the key just turn the engine off with engine shut off switch. Lights stay on but for a 5-10 minute break that is no problem and the mode remains. 4. Changing the bulbs to LED makes the light brighter and reduces any issues that could happen due to item 3 above. Super easy to change bulbs and not that expensive. 5. Triumph's OEM foot pegs are just not really meant for off road - too small not enough grip. The solution is easy with after market foot pegs. 6. Installing the BoosterPlug enriches the fuel mixture by 6% and allows smoother power at low RPM (which is where the bike needs it most in technical off road sections) There are many other things that can be done but these make a big difference for a low investment in time and money
@brenyirish7767
@brenyirish7767 7 жыл бұрын
Yuval Naveh Cheers for the info mate
@sebarmo
@sebarmo 6 жыл бұрын
How can I find this BoosterPlug you mentioned? Couldn't find it on Amazon
@wildforg7564
@wildforg7564 6 жыл бұрын
Booster plug have their own website you can buy direct from them around 120$or you can choose out of 4 currencies.
@Hans_P
@Hans_P 6 жыл бұрын
I had a 2012 BMW F800 GS Triple black...too much vibration above 5,000 rpm. Now have a 2016 Tiger XCx. I agree that the BMW was a better off road bike due to lower center of gravity and bottom end torque. The Tiger is still good off road but much better on road. I love the WP suspension on the Tiger. And the engine in the Tiger...OMG! so smooth. No vibration. I had Heidnaues on the BMW and now also on my Tiger. Awesome bike!
@JoshIsNotBrilliantTv
@JoshIsNotBrilliantTv 7 жыл бұрын
New channel? Really liking the camera angles and the actual information that your putting into your reviews. Its not all about the spec sheet. And you guys really hit that :) Good job
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Yep. New & Fresh. We just launched it, three weeks ago and we have some big plans. So, if you like what you see, join us and subscribe to our channel. Thank you for your appreciation.
@cider999
@cider999 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, guys this video is amazing! Everything from editing to information is a world class! Subscribed!
@jerrys.8688
@jerrys.8688 7 жыл бұрын
Greeting from Houston! I was fully engaged in this short, beautiful, and perfectly descriptive summary. Romania, so lovely with the countryside and geographic contrasts. Good English, passionate, fair and balanced. Bravo!
@gordripley3489
@gordripley3489 6 жыл бұрын
You guys do great, unbiased (it seems) reviews.....thanks
@ZenFox0
@ZenFox0 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely shot video, and I like that you highlighted the essential specs while sharing your subjective impressions of both bikes. Well done!
@stevec.2702
@stevec.2702 6 жыл бұрын
very good camera work and editing, really good !!! Narrative comments to the point and lots of information.
@brenyirish7767
@brenyirish7767 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video guys. I was looking at my next bike this morning and decided on these 2. your video was perfect with all the info I was looking for! cheers
@saz123ful
@saz123ful 7 жыл бұрын
One of the best reviews!!! Great job guys and we waiting more bikes!!! Thanks!!!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Now we're heading to Intermot Show - Koln, to present you the new bikes, and after that we're gonna get back with new trips and test rides.
@heritiem
@heritiem 6 жыл бұрын
Personnally I tried both a few years ago and decided without hesitation for the f 800 gs better power in low rpm.
@ChrisSmith-si6gq
@ChrisSmith-si6gq 5 жыл бұрын
Great review lads! Good footage, easy to understand and clear summary at the end.
@kcrush1
@kcrush1 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! You do very well with your English language videos. Keep them coming! I thought your review was an honest and thorough.
@kossunrakastaja
@kossunrakastaja 6 жыл бұрын
I've wanted a BMW for a very long time, but after reading, watching KZfaq reviews and speaking with friends, I decided that the Triumph Tiger would be a better all around motorcycle for me. I ended up buying a Tiger Triumph XCx. I'm looking forward to the warm weather to do some touring. At first I'll stick to the paved road and some gravel, but as I get more comfortable and experienced I'll try some more challenging off road trails. Thanks a bunch for the review!
@LuisMarceloLopez
@LuisMarceloLopez 7 жыл бұрын
Congratulations guys!! What a great comparison you have made. Fantastic scenery and excellent image quality. Keep up the good job. Waiting for your next video, soon. From Villa Dolores - Córdoba - Argentina.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, from Romania. :) Hope to reach your country soon. You have some fantastic places over there and we want to visit them. In the next days we'll test the Yamaha Tracer 700 and after that we'll go to the Motorcycle International Expos in Cologne and Milan. But we have some other good stuff following.
@secretop8343
@secretop8343 Жыл бұрын
hello guys, I am a long time subscriber, but I just found this awesome video. Two thumbs up .
@tachelesreden
@tachelesreden 7 жыл бұрын
This is such a well made review (and such a beatyfull landscape)! Thank you.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
We're glad you like it. Thank you for your appreciation.
@Karmicmoto
@Karmicmoto 7 жыл бұрын
Nice frames, throughout the review. Good job guys, are those stock tires on the triumph xcx?
@Richa98
@Richa98 7 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for a review of these 2 for a while, gained a sub!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Welcome to the club!
@markgilder7757
@markgilder7757 7 жыл бұрын
Great filming. Really enjoyed it. I have the GS, and wouldn't swop it for anything else.
@bobz1736
@bobz1736 7 жыл бұрын
Nicely produced video guys 😊
@taraskompaniyets1039
@taraskompaniyets1039 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing landscape!! Great job!
@yogeshwargoyal
@yogeshwargoyal 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing, No nonsense review, simplified it so well... cheers
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Stay tuned.
@moulin6
@moulin6 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice review! thanks for making it in English !! I just became you subscribe
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you and welcome to the club!
@CH-bq1lm
@CH-bq1lm 6 жыл бұрын
Ver nice video, thanks for that! Definitly a help to choose between these bikes. Great channel, just subscribed it!
@davids4795
@davids4795 7 жыл бұрын
Good job guys, enjoyed it!
@Frankitubi1609
@Frankitubi1609 7 жыл бұрын
Balanced and clear suggestions about both bikes. Usefull video, thanks
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
You welcome. Hope you'll enjoy our other videos too.
@scottjohnson1451
@scottjohnson1451 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you for the information and putting in the great effort to make a good quality video. Thumbs up to you!!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, man! We have some big plans for the future so join us and press the "subscribe" button. This is just the beginning.
@sparkyobrian6417
@sparkyobrian6417 7 жыл бұрын
fantastic video shots
@ashrafc7794
@ashrafc7794 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing amount of content in under 7 mins. Both bikes are great. Did you guys like the Africa Twin?
@petecurran3995
@petecurran3995 6 жыл бұрын
Nice work fellas! 👍🏻
@jrh186
@jrh186 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Thanks
@SineOccasu
@SineOccasu 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Had to subscribe!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Gondolin1983
@Gondolin1983 7 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this - thanks; subbed.
@deepsouthNZ
@deepsouthNZ 5 жыл бұрын
great video and comparison, beautifully filmed thank you. What country are you in? Its beautiful
@AdrianNM1
@AdrianNM1 4 жыл бұрын
Romania
@TheDarwiniser
@TheDarwiniser 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, no nonsense.
@oldmang7709
@oldmang7709 7 жыл бұрын
I am currently busy deciding between these exact 2 bikes.....will be used mainly for tarmac and the odd off road excursion ....so I would assume the Tiger is the better option? Nice reveiw by the way...will subscribe
@trains70
@trains70 7 жыл бұрын
Nice job guys, will subscribe.
@luyties
@luyties 7 жыл бұрын
very underrated channel, subbed
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@dustinhoch2
@dustinhoch2 7 жыл бұрын
Great comparison and beautiful pictures. Thanks a lot guys and keep the good work up! Where did you film? Looks beautiful
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching us. :) That fabulous scenery is in Romania. Somewhere between Bucegi and Piatra Craiului Mountains, in the middle of the Carpathians. Did you watch our Tiger XCX solo review? We have some beautiful footage over there too.
@dustinhoch2
@dustinhoch2 7 жыл бұрын
Yes I did! Definitly have to put Romania on the list for the next trip. Thanks for letting me know!
@sab249
@sab249 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video, especially in English!
@allfree7308
@allfree7308 7 жыл бұрын
which action cam did you use to record?
@dahveed284
@dahveed284 7 жыл бұрын
Nice review! Subbed.
@vinjofin1972
@vinjofin1972 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Nice review guys. In what country is it recorded? Nice environment.
@ZenFox0
@ZenFox0 5 жыл бұрын
Romania
@plbyrne
@plbyrne 7 жыл бұрын
Very cool vid - thanks
@axelattias
@axelattias 5 жыл бұрын
Excelent review as always! Excelent music too! Do you know the names of artists? Thanks from Argentina!
@guzziventure1750
@guzziventure1750 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sending the thread for your new channel.
@wickedleeloopy2115
@wickedleeloopy2115 7 жыл бұрын
nice video, Baced on your review, I think I Know my next bike, the Africa Twin....it's almost a mixture of the best of both these bikes combined.
@MD-jp5oc
@MD-jp5oc 3 жыл бұрын
Very well done gentlemen.
@diegolima8273
@diegolima8273 7 жыл бұрын
Very good comments and beautiful places !!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, mate.
@OswaldoLafee
@OswaldoLafee 7 жыл бұрын
great video. new subscriber. thank you.
@Porsche996driver
@Porsche996driver 3 жыл бұрын
Always love triples the sound and power.
@luuk341
@luuk341 5 жыл бұрын
Does an F800 Vibe more than a bike with a V twin?
@ronanrogers4127
@ronanrogers4127 10 ай бұрын
I couldn’t live with the sound of the Tiger’s valve train, it whirs like a Bernina sewing machine
@Soundarts
@Soundarts 7 жыл бұрын
good review, thanks :-)
@1337topgun
@1337topgun 7 жыл бұрын
That montage song is crunchy AF. Just stock music?
@philthy8150
@philthy8150 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video I rode them both when searching to replace my R1150GSA. Ended up with the Africa Twin based on the deal I got. I will keep it until Yamaha gets of its ass and gives us a 750 Tenere.
@john47jones
@john47jones 7 жыл бұрын
Well made video, great photography and editing but could do with a Bit more information about the bikes specs, performance etc.
@daisifugi1
@daisifugi1 7 жыл бұрын
bikes specs at your fingertips on the www
@modsurgeon
@modsurgeon 7 жыл бұрын
Great job gentlemen! Exactly the comparison that I have been looking for, and done in some beautiful country. Thanks!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@haasoc2716
@haasoc2716 8 ай бұрын
Rest in peace bro. I came up your video still running like nothing happaned to you.
@brucekendall52
@brucekendall52 7 жыл бұрын
Thks for review
@Dooffz
@Dooffz 3 жыл бұрын
Salut, ce model e geaca de la Dainese?
@bigsby6bender
@bigsby6bender 6 жыл бұрын
Good review.
@MARKINAU8
@MARKINAU8 7 жыл бұрын
yes, triumph even offers a few lower seat option across the range for shorter riders like me(1.73m is not that short already). and most of them comes with skip plate, hand cover, power charger, bigger screen compared with BMW entry level GS
@loganraj3557
@loganraj3557 6 жыл бұрын
Good site. Keep it up guys. Just a comparison, my 2003 Honda xrv750 is 218kg wet weight with much more interesting specs.
@dotmp4
@dotmp4 3 жыл бұрын
Succes, romanasii mei
@andrefreitas3932
@andrefreitas3932 7 жыл бұрын
best review!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
best comment!
@Fixstern16
@Fixstern16 7 жыл бұрын
i buy a tiger 800xca and love this bike, the engine is the best i ever had....sooo smoth this bike, but for offroad i think the africa twin is much more better then the BMW F800GS
@PierreC71
@PierreC71 7 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. But on the bike specs photo, you showed the bmw fuel tank in the front...
@guillermoblanquer8328
@guillermoblanquer8328 7 жыл бұрын
Nice Video
@casperdog777
@casperdog777 6 жыл бұрын
Well done. It's an interesting comparison and beautiful countryside ! Great review and the Tiger is...... a Tiger :-)
@randysixt987
@randysixt987 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Artsparkle
@Artsparkle 4 жыл бұрын
True!
@awesomeagnihotrisvlog
@awesomeagnihotrisvlog 7 жыл бұрын
lovely review guys...greetings from india..
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, we're really glad you feel that way.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Andrew. You're lucky to live there. Maybe we'll have the chance to make a test review on those beautiful roads someday. ;)
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Andrew. Maybe we'll have the chance to make a video review on those beautiful roads someday.
@wisecountryman49
@wisecountryman49 4 жыл бұрын
In Romania (where the video was shot), the Tiger isn't that popular. And that is a big shame, because it's an excelent advanture bike and a good, everyday to work comuter. Wish Triumph gets the popularity it desarves. And yes mid class adventure bikes are the best. Above 800cc they get havy for off-road and to big for city traffic.
@TheMailrouter
@TheMailrouter 6 жыл бұрын
I can't help it but this review seems biased towards the Tiger.
@phanselion
@phanselion 7 жыл бұрын
Nice job definitely needed! just work better on the reading part when speaking "naturally" to each other in front of the camera ;).
@simranpalsinghkohli1143
@simranpalsinghkohli1143 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome you got a subscriber, can you tell me what are these means XR, Xrx, XCx, XCa, what does these 4 versions means? I am looking to buy one of these but cant understand these 4 types of versions am looking for both on road and off road triumph
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Hi. Welcome to the club! Well, this whole XC/XR thing is confusing indeed. Basically, you have two versions: XC [off-road focused, 21 inch front, spoked wheels] and the XR [stree oriented, 19 inch front, cast wheels]. Then, the other x stands for a different level of equipment - so, the XRx and the XCx are more expensive but they have more optional equipment. Then, we have the a versions. The a stand for touring. So, the XCa is more confortable for long-travel, with heated grips and heated seat, for example. So, if you want a more off-road oriented bike, you should choose an XC. If you want a better ride on tarmac, the XR is your bike.
@simranpalsinghkohli1143
@simranpalsinghkohli1143 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot :)
@simranpalsinghkohli1143
@simranpalsinghkohli1143 7 жыл бұрын
I was earlier looking to buy street bike I bought a used one 250 cc and was looking forward to upgrade I would had bought it then I felt nah riding on streets wont give me the adventures I want . So which model is both use for off road and on road and which tyres are best ? am completely new to this adventure bike club
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Well, for better handling in off-road you need a 21 inch front and a longer travel suspensions - so it's the XCX or the F800GS [the latter is better in enduro than the Tiger but not so exciting on street]. As for the tires, the TKC 80 are the best choice for off-road, but they have a short lifetime.
@simranpalsinghkohli1143
@simranpalsinghkohli1143 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot mate for guiding where as BMW is concerned its very very expensive than Triumph Tiger 800 series
@tomshang4772
@tomshang4772 7 жыл бұрын
Where were you guys riding?
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Romania - in the Charpatians. There are some very nice mountain villages over there. You get a very good mix of tarmac and off-road
@guillermoblanquer8328
@guillermoblanquer8328 7 жыл бұрын
Cmpletely agree
@ionteo941
@ionteo941 7 жыл бұрын
Rezervorul gs-ului nu are 24 litri ?
@daisifugi1
@daisifugi1 7 жыл бұрын
cel de la GSA. Al meu are 6.5 galoane, deci pe-acolo
@arccraft8583
@arccraft8583 7 жыл бұрын
fair review...coz you not from Germany either British..i like it..
@markorebernik3760
@markorebernik3760 7 жыл бұрын
I already own a Tiger 800XC and I love it. I watch Tiger-videos when I'm too busy to ride. :) I added handlebar raisers to make it just a little bit more touring oriented and it helps a lot with the ergonomics. I'm planning a trip to Romania from Slovenia this year. We all know the Transfaragasan and Transalpina, what else is the "must see" on motorcycle there? Greetings, Marko
@johnanderson1149
@johnanderson1149 7 жыл бұрын
I'm deciding between, wee strom 650 (2017) 2016 XCX or F800GS. Your XC, mostly road or 50/50? How is it on roads 65mph+. Trying to justify $2000K more for the bmw or Triumph. Thanks
@markorebernik3760
@markorebernik3760 7 жыл бұрын
John Anderson Well, usually it is the emotions that make the decision. Triumph is the most powerful one of the three, has a really good triple engine, which vibrates a great deal less than the twins, it has a good torque curve, it never stops pulling. I use it a lot for touring, also with 2 passengers, and in that aspect you can't beat it in sub 1000cc class. I upgraded with the Puig adjustable screen, and the bike performs really good, regardless of speed. That said, I use it mostly on asphalt and occasional gravel road. Today I climbed some hill with a passenger on, the road was a mess, it really is more about rider ability than the bike's ability. I've ridden all three bikes that you've mentioned, the decision for me were only BMW and Triumph, and the styling, smooth engine, touring orientatio made the decision. And I like the brands heritage. Ride safe!
@johnanderson1149
@johnanderson1149 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the response, ride safe too...
@prakashdidla556
@prakashdidla556 6 жыл бұрын
Did u face any starter motor issues with your tiger?
@dannybumpkins556
@dannybumpkins556 7 жыл бұрын
Ok then...where were you riding!? Looks like Bavaria, but probably Spain or Italy?
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
It's Romania. :)
@sparkyobrian6417
@sparkyobrian6417 7 жыл бұрын
great review but I bought the f800gs anyway. lol
@wiggelpuppy5474
@wiggelpuppy5474 6 жыл бұрын
sparky obrian Me too.
@luuk341
@luuk341 5 жыл бұрын
Im going to! Ofroad is life
@seabiscuit726142
@seabiscuit726142 6 жыл бұрын
Filmed in Transylvania, Romania.
@michaelkellner6042
@michaelkellner6042 7 жыл бұрын
great comparison! though i think you should do mother tongue reviews and english subs. you´d feel more comfortable that way
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion
@andres6168
@andres6168 7 жыл бұрын
Am probat bmw cât si Triumph, si m-am decis pe un Kawasaki Versys 650 2016 . Ce e rău la el ca nu are cruis control , si nici cel de 1000 ..,
@misterx4484
@misterx4484 6 жыл бұрын
In the street who wins gs or tiger, i don't speak english very well
@kevincook6341
@kevincook6341 9 ай бұрын
Tiger in all reviews
@prad96
@prad96 6 жыл бұрын
i m 5.7 feet. should i purchase tiger xrx
@tomhenderson2575
@tomhenderson2575 6 жыл бұрын
Pradeep Yadav- I'm 5 ft 10 in, just bought a XCX. I use the low seat setting, and just barely reach the ground with flat feet. I have dropped the bike twice while stopped, or turning the bike around due to uneven ground. Once the bike is moving though, all is well.
@okangurdil4426
@okangurdil4426 2 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace homie...
@CanadianTexaninLiguria
@CanadianTexaninLiguria 7 жыл бұрын
Compare the Tiger to a F800gs(2010) - Shipped with battle wings, non adjustable front suspension, seat could only be ridden for 45 minutes, windshield caused deafness at highway speeds and as fuel level goes down, the bike becomes top heavy and even scary. The Triumph is far and ahead of the F800
@sebarmo
@sebarmo 6 жыл бұрын
Jon Moran plus the BMW electronics, which suck!
@swarsaagar11
@swarsaagar11 4 жыл бұрын
I will take bmw800gs
@pierremartin9048
@pierremartin9048 7 жыл бұрын
Where is all this beautiful countryside, that being said i disagree with the Top bike. As a KTM 1190 owner I've driven both my ridding buddies
@polishfarmer8259
@polishfarmer8259 7 жыл бұрын
Pierre Martin romania
@simongood3
@simongood3 Жыл бұрын
That BMW 800 engine is shocking my wife had the gt worst bike ive ever ridden she kept it for 4 weeks . She's got the tiger now
@user-pt6nn7zt7o
@user-pt6nn7zt7o 7 жыл бұрын
triumph tiger!!!!
@observer8534
@observer8534 4 жыл бұрын
Instead of putting background music on everything, just let us listen to the sound of the bikes please!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 4 жыл бұрын
We'll try to do that. The problem is that the sound of the bikes comes sometimes in poor quality due to the recording techniques. But we'll focus more on that thing.
@daisifugi1
@daisifugi1 7 жыл бұрын
Frumos! Salutari din Chicago. (nu, n-am votat cu Trump :)) )
@fedswithful
@fedswithful 7 жыл бұрын
I'll take the ... Africa Twin...
@ERUtheWINDRIDER
@ERUtheWINDRIDER 7 жыл бұрын
I was expecting more/different from you guys. Everything you've said was said earlier in at least 20 other reviews. And where was the off-road part? I didn't see it, only roads, gravel, tarmac but roads and in very good condition. I can drive my car there, and it isn't a 4x4. P.S. Off-road/enduro raiders don't use topcases and I think you know why.
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