2018 BMW M2 vs 2023 BMW M2 - Head to Head Review!

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9 ай бұрын

Has BMW made the new G87 M2... less of an M2?
Correction at 1:03 - the F87 M2 also offered an optional 7 speed DCT.
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@mikejoness2k 9 ай бұрын

Id still prefer the old m2 comp over the new one. Idk what bmw did to make it gain so much weight, the fact you brought up the R35 GTR weights the same amount even with it being bigger size wise, with a bigger engine and awd is insane to me.

@hpickettz34 9 ай бұрын

The new corvette as weights much as a gtr also, and those use to weight 3100-3200lbs.

@maximus9401 9 ай бұрын

It's not like they took the old M2 and made it "gain weight". It's a completely different car from the one before. It's based on the same platform as the G8x M3/M4. They took that car, shortened the wheel base, and gave you a M2. The new M2 is a short wheelbase M4. That's all. That's why it weighs the same because it is the same. I don't understand why people don't get that. Should they have done it like that? Idk that's up for debate

@93455Driver 9 ай бұрын

Being an oldie, I do not like the new BMW gauges, too fussy. I agree the M2C is the sweet spot in every respect but sound, where the LCI B58 may just have the edge. Not sure what is happening with BMW styling......the design team needs to be forced to live in the BMW museum in order to see if that can cure them from what illness is ailing them.

@mikejoness2k 9 ай бұрын

@@maximus9401 ahh that makes more sense. I wonder what the advantage was to moving to that platform was. I feel like what improvements that were achieved with the platform are negligible with the additional weight added.

@mittortz 9 ай бұрын

@@maximus9401 The other thing people don't seem to realize is that the F87 weighed the same as the F82 as well. The situation is basically the same as with the F series, the main difference seems to be that BMW improved chassis stability and refinement overall with the G series, which ends up reducing the "playfulness" (what others refer to as twitchiness or unpredictability) characteristic that was prominent in the F87 especially. Generally speaking, this is all more of the same - time goes on, cars get more efficient, refined... more sterile compared to previous generations. The F series was also regarded as less emotive than E9x, which was regarded as too heavy and refined compared to E46, and so on to the E30. If you want the best performer, it's the newer cars no doubt. If you want more fun, well you can get an F87 or you could take it further and get an E46. I have an E46 M3, I drove an F87 (non-comp) and no longer have any interest in owning one as it doesn't achieve the visceral feeling I love about my car. If I were going to buy a newer car, I'd just go for the G82 personally, because it's a totally different beast and would serve a different purpose from my M3.

@mecheng1977 9 ай бұрын

The N55 with the improved oiling system in the M2 is bullet proof

@oficina_moomoo 9 ай бұрын

The OG M2 also came in DCT, definitely did not just come in manual. The engine is not an S engine for sure but its sound is unanimously considered to be better than the S55 in the comp and m3/4. A bummer that there was not a comp in there too to compare. Great review as always!

@Quadrupledubs 5 ай бұрын

All great cars, but imo the F87 Competition is peak BMW. From its styling to its driving characteristics, it can't be beaten out of the box.

@BeanyB0b 9 ай бұрын

1:01 The OG had an optional 7-speed DCT, same as the comp.

@DjNikGnashers 24 күн бұрын

Prefer the OG M2, it is the car in it's purest form. It impressed me so much, I bought one ! I honestly don't understand some of your opinions. You say the individual suspension components feel very ordinary. But, compared to an M Lite, it is levels ahead. I had an M140i with adaptive suspension, and even that was nowhere near my OG M2. You say the dash layout is so much better than the old car, but in my opinion it is horrible. Sticking large plastic screens across the dash is just cheap, and BMW has always been known for it's clear analogue dials, and driver focussed displays. You're probably too young to remember. Oh, and your comment about OG M2's only coming in manual gearbox form, is incorrect. Especially here in the UK, the majority were in DCT form.

@AaronBlankenship 9 ай бұрын

The OG M2 can be difficult to see its true nature. You should have put quality tires on it to start with. Next you are sitting in some of the worst BMW seats out there, other seats are plug and play so it's completely trivial to swap them. I have M4 seats in my OG M2 and it completely changes it, they are inches lower to the ground. I agree with your assessment of the manual, it's not that great. The DCT was a defining feature of the OG M2 as far as specialness. But not everybody liked it.

@nodrogkam 9 ай бұрын

Nice comparison! Sounds like a future video may include a few more F87 models and depending on when you do it, more than one G87 model. A note on M Traction control - it’s just managing TC/wheel spin on throttle. You were the stability control when you have the car in that mode. Really cool to have on a car with this much power where you don’t want stability control intervening - especially if you’ve changed tire compounds and suspension but need to keep some of the torque in check.

@kkeshav74 9 ай бұрын

N55 M2 6SPD all day.

@johnm5131 9 ай бұрын

remember guys, you can more easily "un-refine" a car than to refine it. If you want "playful", it's easy to get. If you want locked-down lap times, that's harder to acheive. A simple change to a "square" set-up on tire sizes and a change to PS-all seasons, and you will have a much harder to control drift monster. I have that when I put my snow-tires on. Then, the new M2 is then something that needs to be "driven" with care.

@scotthilly5653 9 ай бұрын

Zy, great video per usual. Quick note - that noise and burbling is sadly from the rear speakers and is mostly fake. My friend has a g80 comp and it is just speaker noise that’s responsible for the deep noises on upshifts and throttle lift. There are still some cracks and burbles with it coded out, but unlike the OG M2 (where upshift noises and traction farts are real), these deep bass notes are entirely synthesized. It does it on upshifts in auto g8x as well.

@EstorilE36M345 9 ай бұрын

Interesting. Nothing in this review made me want the newer M2…especially not the interior (tech and design overkill) and terrible exterior. I’m sure the extra power is nice and the suspension sounds great, but no thanks

@Hecziaa 9 ай бұрын

great video man!

@GSTRification 9 ай бұрын

There’s always these questions regarding the new m2, why so much weight gain. Well genius people look at the hard compoenents of the new m2. It basically shares every single components with g82 m4. Thus you can’t possibly think the weight will be similar to f87 m2 but will be closer to g82 m4. Nice comparison btw

@racsowang 9 ай бұрын

I drove an N54 M2 on Mines Rd last year. It’s a fun car to do some dancing around corners. But the seating position is quite high, I felt sitting on the roof after hoping off a 982 GT4. And the front suspension could be more supportive in hard corners(vs M2CS). It’s not perfect but seems like good value compared to the $50k+ m2c and $90k+ m2cs.

@blueshark3098 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the fun comparison, Zygrene. As you say, better engineered cars are not always more interesting or more fun to drive. My 2013 Honda Accord Sport 6 MT vs my 2020 Honda Civic Si on twisty mountain roads: The Civic is easier to drive fast on curves, the limited slip differential lets you push it a bit harder in curves, it reduces the tendency to push wide. But it is a less engaging, less involving, less interesting car in every way. The Accord requires the driver to give more inputs to counter-act the car's flaws, but that is exactly why it is more involving and more engaging. Needless to say, I kept the Accord and traded in the Si after a few years.

@micraw714 9 ай бұрын

Excellent comparison! I have an OG M2 with a Pure stage 2 turbo. Probably pretty close in power to the G87. I love the sound and steering feel but you hit the nail on the head regarding the suspension. It's overly stiff and a bit twitchy the way it loads. I really wish it behaved more like my E92 M3 in that regard. I did drive a G80 rwd comp recently and loved that S58 but the chassis put me to sleep and offered no feedback. If the G87 is similar, that sucks. I think my next move is going to 18" rims on my F87 and finding some dampers with softer spring rates 🤔

@saw4106 9 ай бұрын

can you please make a video compare m2 to Integra type S？I am really interested in both of these two cars!

@sk8fyshbyk923 4 ай бұрын

tough decision!! great video. thanks. this helped a lot. perhaps the gen 1 with proper upgrades and mods is the way to go?

@chrisginoc 9 ай бұрын

I was hoping you would do this comparison. Aside from looks being subjective, I like the 2023 M2 because of the S58, but I would wait for the 2024 or 2025 to work out any bugs since it's made in mexico in a new facility, new staff, etc.

@1palone 2 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a comparison between the OG M2 (since its the more fun drivers M2), vs your Integra Type S vs a moded NC Miata (turbo or supercharged with moded suspension and exhaust). The intent of the comparison would be to compare the fun factor of the different elements of each car (ie shift feel, turn in, out right fun, sound, road feel...)

@tommy516 9 ай бұрын

The F87 does like to lose traction, it’s crazy! It needed the sport carbon seats more than anything. The seats in the F87 have no bolstering and you slide everywhere in those seats.

@Rd-bi7vr 7 ай бұрын

I have thw 2017 m2. Lucky to find a single owner car with 6000 miles last year. Love it. Prefer its shape over the new one

@malivi781 9 ай бұрын

New m2 looks like a scion tc

@shuweb 4 ай бұрын

The LCI, OG has old school dials

@Two-Stack 9 ай бұрын

I feel like the M2 is a sports car everyone is lukewarm about and then everyone ends up selling them. Zip though car gurus or car fax and look at the owner history’s, every one of them is 4+ owners, even on the newer previous gen’s, nearly 1 owner per year

@grigorioschristodoulou5229 9 ай бұрын

For spirited driving the 1M with M Performance seats is probably still the king of the small Ms. Shorter, more precise clutch than the M2, slightly better stickshift feel, smaller diameter steering wheel, less car and more glass around you, and less lag even at 2k rpm

@pawelludew291 2 ай бұрын

Real weight of g87 is 1710 auto 1680 manual. F87 base 1530 auto and 1495 manual but yes it is a big difference

@leovulpes4917 9 ай бұрын

Is that Yas Marina Blue?

@1laimmiss 9 ай бұрын

Good review. I wish the old one would have this engine. I don't need the tech. Need excitement

@aniladitya 9 ай бұрын

OG M2 or M2 comp or New M2? Which one would you pick if you have to buy one?

@audiophilemetallian 6 ай бұрын

New g87 no doubt

@matthewhenry8627 Ай бұрын

How would you say the 2018 M2 compares to an E46 M3? Considering replacing my E46 with one.

@DjNikGnashers 24 күн бұрын

I can answer. It is roughly the same size, and is only slightly heavier with a bit more power. It is basically a modern, better handling, faster, version of the E46 M3.

@Mgoblagulkablong 9 ай бұрын

I hate how the front overhang on new models keeps getting longer.

@xItsmeFirex 9 ай бұрын

OG M2 vs OG M2 Comp vs New M2 Comp? Which would be the better buy?

@Jac176 6 ай бұрын

@ENGBriseB 2 ай бұрын

Shouldn't have played around with the tryres on the older M2. Plus really is it worth twice the money.

@aboen22 3 ай бұрын

O’d take the OG over the C and g87 for sure

@thomashaury6651 4 күн бұрын

It’s funny people have said they want the old boring looking model every single generation since the dawn of time… then the next gen comes out and it’s the same story again. Rinse repeat. There’s innovators and there are laggards… make your choice

@wahid3837 8 ай бұрын

Why did BMW decide to give the new m2 Japanese econobox styling.. looks absolutely trash

@stevejohnson2108 9 ай бұрын

I have driven them both and I can tell you one thing (maybe I am getting old). When I drove the new M2 I loved it because it's so much more refined than the M2 competition. You nailed the shifter, no question BMW has improved it, although I wish they just took the one Toyota developed for the Supra, that one is much better. The weight is no issue, maybe because of the new suspension which is basically the M4s suspension and the wider track. I know what the reviewer is saying about "playfulness" but let me tell you. With this much power you can play with it if you want, but it will not bite your a-- like the M2 competition will if you do something a little too aggressive and can't get ahead of it to control it. For me this is the perfect M2 with finally the right M engine which you can tune without any hardware to a conservatively 525 HP at the wheels. Now if only BMW gave us that Toyota manual, and brought back the hydraulic steering of the E92M. You would have a car that would be challenging the Cayman GT4 for 60K less.

@jimbaranresidence8 9 ай бұрын

Prefer f87 s55

@tommy516 4 ай бұрын

You said wow, a lot….

@PennywiseM3 9 ай бұрын

As far as tuning potential, the N55 is made of glass compared to the B58/S58. The new M2 is ugly and 3800 lbs, come on BMW wake up! I would take the M2 Comp.

@user-he1pw7fu3h 9 ай бұрын

Mo khalid

@jameswillard1 9 ай бұрын

I’ve owned a 2017 M2 DCT, 2019 M2 Comp DCT, 2020 M2 CS 6-Spd, and in August bought a 23’ M2 6-Spd. I am shocked to say this but the newest one drives the best. The shifter doesn’t feel as light and vague as the CS, the engine pulls atleast as hard as the CS, the car turns in and feels really confident in every situation, and the ride quality is better than any of them. I still think the CS was better looking, the steering had slightly better feel, and it was just way cooler but I sold my CS for $93,500 and picked up the fairly lightly optioned 23’ for nearly $30k less(!)

@audiophilemetallian 6 ай бұрын

Great impressions. The g87 rocks 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@chrisbradley3224 4 ай бұрын

How is the audio system in the G87? The HK in my M2C sucked in some ways.

@jameswillard1 4 ай бұрын

@@chrisbradley3224 I’m not a huge audiophile so prob not the best one to ask, I think it sounds really good though

@audiophilemetallian 4 ай бұрын

@@chrisbradley3224 it sounds def better than previous bmw i had incl m340xi, 328 and f87. Louder and clearer.

@chrisbradley3224 4 ай бұрын

@@audiophilemetallian Cool, thanks, maybe I won't need to upgrade it :).

@arymonem 9 ай бұрын

Confidence is where you want to be when driving a car hard in the back roads. The new M2 absolutely destroys it in that department. And if you like dancing tails, well you simply can adjust/reduce, or turn off TC. I honestly can’t think of a better 2 door four seater sports car than the new M2 to do everything so damn well. Great video btw!

@audiophilemetallian 6 ай бұрын

Enjoying it over my previous m2comp

@jimmynickelz 9 ай бұрын

Beautiful car vs Lego car

@balmann91 9 ай бұрын

The N55 sounds great?

@Zygrene 9 ай бұрын

I'm one of the few who prefers the sound of the S55

@DjNikGnashers 24 күн бұрын

@@Zygrene You must be one of those kids who fart as loudly as they can and are amused by your own farting then.

@Krasshirsch 5 ай бұрын

The new M2 is definitively the better car, but it is so ugly that even a price drop of 50% is still not tempting.

@maxymillion7480 9 ай бұрын

Why is it so hideous? Why are people responsible for design at BMW so clearly mentally unwell?

@make725daily1 9 ай бұрын

I'm genuinely enthralled by your video! ° "Obstacles are the stepping stones of growth."

@johnmitchell2269 9 ай бұрын

Why is the new M2 so heavy?

@oficina_moomoo 9 ай бұрын

well to start it has non forged wheels. Brake system is heavy, its longer and wider than the old M2 which was already pretty heavy most likely because of safety regulation stuff. But its crazy that it weights the same as the xdrive m240.

@hpickettz34 9 ай бұрын

Because the m3 and m4 is heavy, last gen m cars weighed around the same also.

@theanthonyv 3 ай бұрын

Good god, the f87 is ugly. I don’t care how fast it goes, I couldn’t walk into my garage every day and look at that thing. The interior offends the eyes too.

@shehatezme 9 ай бұрын

If I closed my eyes, I could have sworn everything said in this video is a straight copy of the other 100 g87 video posted so far. G87 objectively better performer all around but yet everyone is complaining on the fact that it doesn’t ride like shit like the f87. Bmw and Porsche etc make cars that are more capable every generation because there is a evolution. Yes most of the time at the cost of removing some rawness from the previous generations. This is not new so not sure why everyone is so surprised. Are we going to keep complaining until everything is EV. We should be celebrating that BMW still makes a 460hp rwd 2 dr 4 seater we can buy today for $65k.

@Sabretooth-Biggavel 24 күн бұрын

You sound mad that the G87 is a pile of sh!t

@petejr7583 2 ай бұрын

OG owners, “Better than Comp because of N55…”. LOL ‘20-‘22 Comp car is much better all around with suspension, brakes, interior, infotainment, and yes, more powerful, reliably mod-able S55. I own all you guys with my B9.5 RS5, but more fear the M2 Comp over the OG, would love a CS actually. Less interested in the new M2 with the blocky look and retarded surfboard dash touchscreen with less buttons, but props for the overall performance capability and keeping the manual trans, but sounds less fun.

@DjNikGnashers 24 күн бұрын

There is almost no difference between the suspension of the OG M2 and the M2C, other than the front strut brace. The brakes on the OG are fantastic, and do not squeak constantly like the M2C. Only interior difference is the seats, and I prefer the OG seats as the M2C seats have the horrible bump between your legs, and do not have adjustable thigh length support. Only 35bhp more powerful, with more lag, and the car is 55kg heavier, and in reality the extra difference in speed the M2C has , is so small you do not even notice it. You have obviously never owned one, and are just googling numbers like some kid playing top trumps. In fact, your 'I own all you guys' comment proves you have the mentality of an 8 year old. A good driver in an OG M2 would leave you in the distance around a track, in your overweight, understeering Audi son.

@Veyronp87 9 ай бұрын

the lack of S engine in the OG M2 is a big dealbreaker for me.

@defyyourlogic487 Ай бұрын

It’s got plenty of parts from the s55, do basic research

@DjNikGnashers 24 күн бұрын

@@defyyourlogic487 Indeed, and people who judge a car on numbers and statistics are the sort who don't really understand or appreciate cars for what they actually are. I call these kids, top trumps players.