2018 Honda Fit 1.5 Liter GDI P0172

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Automotive Test Solutions

Жыл бұрын

Here is a case study I have just completed. This is a very difficult diagnostic that has been bounced around from shop to shop. I hope this helps.

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@autoservice6572
@autoservice6572 Жыл бұрын
No one can convince me to watch that long except that great man Thank you sir
@happy543210
@happy543210 Жыл бұрын
Those racing stripes on the Hood should have been an indication that somebody was going to fiddle around with the motor.
@FinalStopMobileAutoTech
@FinalStopMobileAutoTech Жыл бұрын
Always a great day when Bernie posts up another awesome video!!
@ThePracticalMechanic
@ThePracticalMechanic Жыл бұрын
I just had a Honda fit in the bay last month running very rich as well. Luckily another one came for a LOF so I quickly grabbed some known good data to compare fuel pressure and other sensors. I disabled fuel to drop rail pressure and then released pressure just to make sure the rail pressure would display zero psi. My HC was slightly higher out the tail pipe. Watching the injectors on the scope it seemed like the pintle closing hump was late. I called injectors and Honda had them on the shelf. Sold in a 4 pack. My trims returned to -5% TFT after replacing injectors.
@ThePracticalMechanic
@ThePracticalMechanic Жыл бұрын
Just got to the after capture at 1:11:42 check out that pintle close hump compare to what we had before at 1:08:16
@asewamu
@asewamu Жыл бұрын
Good catch on that in his video.
@Nhatchay
@Nhatchay 5 ай бұрын
Could anyone explain to me how computer controls with wrong injectors as he said!?
@danthecarman8440
@danthecarman8440 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see the master is back in action. The amount i learnt in one hour thanks to Bernie is just mind blowing. Thanks so much.
@shiftengears5743
@shiftengears5743 10 ай бұрын
Honestly always great information
@mr.hammer7080
@mr.hammer7080 8 ай бұрын
Good video link
@rick343
@rick343 Жыл бұрын
Bernie's back?!!!!? I didn't think he did videos anymore, I'm subscribed and I can't remember when a video popped up, I've watched this guy all day, there has been some of the craziest diags I've ever seen, and Bernie never misses on them. Hey Bernie, how the hell are you doing? 👍😁
@KBLIZZ333
@KBLIZZ333 11 ай бұрын
Just when I think I'm getting decent at doing diags I'll watch channels like this be humbled faster than injector "on time". I am convinced, I will never in my life be even half as good as this man. Mr Bernie C. Thompson 🙏🏼 the #legend
@Hurlburton
@Hurlburton Жыл бұрын
Welcome back Bernie the man with the auto repair plan
@ritchieschofield1185
@ritchieschofield1185 Жыл бұрын
Bernie is keeping me up on a school night! Once again the masters at work. I'll watch the latter half tomorrow. The diag master tech is back. Can only dream to have half the knowledge of Bernie
@j.m.5995
@j.m.5995 Жыл бұрын
Only channel worth watching for hours on end simply due to the wisdom and knowledge being dished out left and right
@calholli
@calholli Жыл бұрын
I understand following all the data, but once you verified that the fuel pressure was where it should be.. the MAF and Barro are where they should be.. Your tail pipe reading matched the computer.. and your "known good car" showed that the 'on time was in the ball park. Then there's only one place left that can add fuel-- which is the injectors. At first I was thinking it could be a leaking injector, and was just a fluke thing that it wasn't causing misfires. But either way, it had to be an injector issue. My point is, sometimes we have to know when to stop testing data and actually get to wrenching something.. finding that balance. Excellent video. I like all your little tips from being burned in the past etc. Those are super helpful. Cheers.
@naabilzeng9474
@naabilzeng9474 Жыл бұрын
Bernie you are great I have learn plenty from you, may the Creator guide with long life so that you will always impact the world with great diagnostics videos 🙏🙏
@RAVETOR
@RAVETOR Жыл бұрын
The master is back! YES!
@JOHNPHUFNAGEL
@JOHNPHUFNAGEL Жыл бұрын
I had the same vehicle, with the exact problem in my shop a month ago, everything was checking out good. I was convinced the injectors were the problem, but after the car being at 3 other shops that replaced a bunch of parts. I didn't want to waste anymore of the customers money. So I sent them out to be tested. 1 passed 1 was restricted and the other 2 were flowing to much. I lost my ass on that car because I didn't bill for all of my time, but I learned a lot. Great video
@ericaleshire1356
@ericaleshire1356 Жыл бұрын
Glad you’re back Bernie. It’s been too long. Keep kicking ass good sir!
@edwardboers2269
@edwardboers2269 Жыл бұрын
Great to see a new video after a long break 👍
@timothybarnes533
@timothybarnes533 Жыл бұрын
MOTHER FREAKIN MANS BACK!!!!😂😂😂😂
@elias8654
@elias8654 Жыл бұрын
He hasn’t left. I visited their facility and he was there. Not sure why they don’t post more often
@scientist100
@scientist100 Жыл бұрын
​@@elias8654they diagnose like this every day?
@jessemackenzie6516
@jessemackenzie6516 Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for another video. This made my day. TY ATS
@isalmankhan1
@isalmankhan1 Жыл бұрын
Great to see you Sir, really appreciate your work😍
@jordysandino6577
@jordysandino6577 Жыл бұрын
Muchísimas gracias don berny por todos sus vídeos y toda la información que nos A proporcionado durante muchos años . Dios que continúe bendiciéndoles y muy contentos de verle de nueva cuenta
@Pablo_Automotive
@Pablo_Automotive Жыл бұрын
Mr. Bernier thanks for another master class, It was an interesting cause of study.
@Flyingspann3r
@Flyingspann3r Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this video, got the coffee on. The master returns 👍
@a.j.dasilva578
@a.j.dasilva578 6 ай бұрын
Amazing video!! The in depth data and explanation of it is just great. Really like the video and information. Keep the diagnostic videos coming great work.
@mr.technician2638
@mr.technician2638 Жыл бұрын
God bless you always sir Bernie ,,and may God gave you always a good health so that you can make more videos to made us techs gain more and more diagnostic knowledge😊😊😊😊
@nikik89
@nikik89 Жыл бұрын
Man is a Legend. Nice to come back. It would be nice to post videos more often. 🔝😊
@davidgoliath982
@davidgoliath982 Жыл бұрын
to convert kpa to p.s.i. multiply kpa by .145 - to convert in.Hg to p.s.i. divide by 2. great analysis!
@josefacundo8427
@josefacundo8427 11 ай бұрын
sometimes you do need another known good vehicle of the same model to get data and compare..thank you Bernie awesome.
@BlackOpsJuJu
@BlackOpsJuJu Жыл бұрын
i have so been waiting for you to release another vid Great as Always Thanks for Sharing
@PaulysAuto
@PaulysAuto Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the amazing information Bernie! ❤
@kdmq
@kdmq 24 күн бұрын
53:46 A little tech tip, any time you are disconnecting a battery and draining surcharge from the positive wire to the negative wire like that, you want to make sure you don't have an auxiliary battery or any kind of second battery in your system. These are common on luxury cars, cars with start-stop systems, or diesel pickup trucks. The consequence of connecting the 10 ohm resistor with another battery still connected is you would melt the resistor.
@christiandiaz7422
@christiandiaz7422 Жыл бұрын
THE BOSS IS BACK 🎉🎉
@JOMaMa..
@JOMaMa.. Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience
@lorrainebwoy
@lorrainebwoy Жыл бұрын
Awesome diagnostic work
@halleffect1
@halleffect1 11 ай бұрын
another great vid from the master. just reinforces that you need the right equipment but also have to know what you're looking at. Known-good data is critical. still not sure I'd have thought to change the injectors though, that's where experience comes in.
@emielplomp3930
@emielplomp3930 Жыл бұрын
Always love your videos
@codyarizona4925
@codyarizona4925 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you so much for sharing your incredible knowledge.
@charlesflores9714
@charlesflores9714 10 ай бұрын
As someone who spent close to $5,000 on the escan elite, the escope, and the pressure pro kit their support is terrible. If you loose the OBD to Bluetooth adapter they will not help you. You have to buy everything all over. Camera broke after less than a year of light use. I love them but sheesh they don’t offer much for support and Jeff laughed over the phone because he said I made a $1,800 mistake losing an adapter that should be replaceable.
@crownline5555
@crownline5555 10 ай бұрын
Far beyond the scope of most diagnostic techs
@carlm2590
@carlm2590 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding, Bernie
@tracycolorado
@tracycolorado Жыл бұрын
Bernie, always a pleasure
@saizaleggs
@saizaleggs Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing uncle Bernie,muito obrigado professor!
@jordanboulay3780
@jordanboulay3780 Жыл бұрын
happy to see a video again! I was worried about the master! Bernie your at a your own level when it cones to diagnostics as good as guys like danner and ivan pine hollow are your in your own league sir!
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660
@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Жыл бұрын
The reason for him being heads and shoulders above the rest is that he has ZERO trust for the scan tool DTCs as a diagnostic aid. In other words, he doesn't trust the ECM/Control Module. That's why he always emphasises gathering raw data.
@ShitWrangler
@ShitWrangler 11 ай бұрын
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Coming out of the 'pandemic' I think Bernie's data driven approach to diagnostics should be interdisciplinarity applied. People are still stuck on "consensus science", which would be like asking everyone in the shop their opinion and THEN firing the parts cannon based off the common best guess. Good luck - ya right.
@amjadzidaoi4011
@amjadzidaoi4011 Жыл бұрын
Wow such a crazy case study
@romir27zt
@romir27zt Жыл бұрын
The GOAT is back
@baja-automotive
@baja-automotive 10 ай бұрын
Great video Half my diag is reverse engineering customers ebay mods. Last month I had a 2015 Impreza with an acceleration concern. Customer went to multiple shops and had plug, coils, engine cleaners done. Last shop said it was the phasers and chains. Two test drives and twenty minutes studying PIDS told me I had a VE issue. Two hours later I found a “Turbonator” glued in the intake pipe going to the TB. These kids and there ebay mods are killing me
@E_Legal_Alien
@E_Legal_Alien Жыл бұрын
I once had a p0172 in my 2018 Chevy Cruze. It was intermittent. Threw the parts cannon at it. New MAF, MAP, upstream 02 sensor. Still there. Ended up being the tricky way the air filter fits in the airbox the whole time. Never even considered that, even though it started right after I changed the engine air filter.
@mr.hammer7080
@mr.hammer7080 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info
@GraditelMacedonia
@GraditelMacedonia Жыл бұрын
Art of diagnostic!
@truth4reel
@truth4reel 10 ай бұрын
Maaan this is crazy. A whole nother level with Bernie
@pyralux01
@pyralux01 Жыл бұрын
My take-away is always ask if any modification has been done to the vehicle that might cause the existing condition....
@madmike214
@madmike214 Жыл бұрын
The racing stripes on a Honda fit was a red flag lol
@BATcave101
@BATcave101 Жыл бұрын
Great diag. Thank you 🎉
@jordysandino6577
@jordysandino6577 Жыл бұрын
Mr ver y im so glad that you’re doing great. Thank you for coming back master . I appreciate everything that you do for us . God bless you!
@courtneysmith608
@courtneysmith608 Жыл бұрын
I miss you Bernie thanks for all your great videos I bought your 4 channel scope and your tablet very good power full scan tool
@gasparhernandez3646
@gasparhernandez3646 11 ай бұрын
Bueno trabajo mister Thomson
@jordysandino6577
@jordysandino6577 Жыл бұрын
Thank you mister berny What a great example of hard working men . Glad you are back master .
@ezeedazit8270
@ezeedazit8270 Жыл бұрын
amazin' , mind blown again - Thank You Mr . BT . You are a national treasure sir .
@vee985
@vee985 Жыл бұрын
So the owner changed the injectors, has an error code, sends the car from shop to shop, and does not tell anyone the injectors were changed from stock to racing? Note to self. If a a car has racing stripes on it, assume the owner modified something.
@gaad7938
@gaad7938 Жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing. The owner probably could have saved himself a bunch of money is he had mentioned that the injectors were changed.
@strikeryachts
@strikeryachts Жыл бұрын
Bernie's the best !
@claytonolive5416
@claytonolive5416 Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how stoked I was to see this video in my notifications !!!!!! Hahahah😅
@dmurf4156
@dmurf4156 8 ай бұрын
Well this is an excellent case of no communication, someone alone the line forgot to inform the techs that the injectors have been changed, since it’s not a 30 minute job to do on this engine I suspect. I think sometimes the customer thinks it will be cheaper to not tell the whole story after the parts cannon has been fired….
@scaracci24
@scaracci24 Ай бұрын
You're 💯 correct. Customers need to be educated
@JohnAsang
@JohnAsang 4 ай бұрын
Honda scan tool has a section for running a fuel injector air/fuel ratio test it check balance and fuel delivery of each injector and will pick up those faults. That is the very first thing you do with Honda on rich or lean codes with wacked out fuel trims.
@rick343
@rick343 Жыл бұрын
You can't figure it out and get the correct diagnosis, Get it to Bernie!! Damn it, he'll get it right!!
@scaracci24
@scaracci24 Ай бұрын
This is great. I'm wondering how one would even present this to a customer for approval. Lots of shops and techs don't charge appropriately for this type of work
@and0pand0
@and0pand0 Жыл бұрын
Ok bernie no more hiatus from youtube please!!!
@mejesse809
@mejesse809 Жыл бұрын
IT'S NICE TO SEE SOMEONE MAKE A VIDEO, LONGER THAN 20 MINUTES, BERNIE, STILL THE KING!
@davidpilotto6640
@davidpilotto6640 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back in action! Hope to see Bernie do a video on HV/EV issues
@fmbfla
@fmbfla Жыл бұрын
Purple smoke out my ears again... Thank you for the insite... YELLOW HONDA WITH RACING STRIPES!
@motosystemltd
@motosystemltd 8 ай бұрын
My brain is hurt's 😂 I think You are the best in the word
@gustavomartinez324
@gustavomartinez324 11 ай бұрын
Never seen anyone diagnostics cars like this guy the best one seen in my life
@8power0
@8power0 11 ай бұрын
WHY WAS THIS SUCH A DIFFICULT DIAGNOSTICS FOR BERNIE THOMPSON AND ONLY A HONDA , CAR TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING SO FAST IN TODAY'S TIME EVEN THE MASTERS CAN BE CHALLENGED .
@Z14kt12timandjes1
@Z14kt12timandjes1 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you for your teaching. One question, I may have misunderstood this part of it, but why did you stop looking for the alcohol content in the fuel when you didn't see that PID on the scan tool? Does the PID missing from the scan tool mean that could not be a problem with that vehicle? Thanks again for your excellent training
@ronsketchley6669
@ronsketchley6669 Жыл бұрын
great stuff!! [the givaway clue might be the racing stripes] lol
@user-du4oq5ch1r
@user-du4oq5ch1r 5 ай бұрын
Im sure the injectors were in need of replacement but the p0172 is set because of excessive fuel in the crankcase, simple pull of the dipstick would have shown oil level was overfull, smell the oil, fuel saturated. very common on hondas direct injection
@dumisanitembanimtisi8411
@dumisanitembanimtisi8411 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr Bernie,its been a while waiting for some troubleshooting from yu Sir. Thanks a lot
@user-nb6nr6vm5i
@user-nb6nr6vm5i 5 ай бұрын
hi sir ,yes i call you sir you are a king king bernie god bless u sir wish u health happines and lots of love for 2024 greetings from sunny south africa
@shumanchu1
@shumanchu1 Жыл бұрын
Hot rod bullshit strikes again! Thanks for another great video!
@aymenmohamed1134
@aymenmohamed1134 8 ай бұрын
Awesome
@glennallen7129
@glennallen7129 Жыл бұрын
Lesson learned from Bernie! Don’t buy a little Honda and turned it into a hot rod. Buy a Camaro instead! Chevy thunder!
@justins.2415
@justins.2415 Жыл бұрын
does unplugging the high pressure regulator default the system to max pressure?
@imprezaaudi
@imprezaaudi Жыл бұрын
Racing stripes should throw up modification warning 🤣
@SouTme-wv3xk
@SouTme-wv3xk Жыл бұрын
THANKS
@SouTme-wv3xk
@SouTme-wv3xk Жыл бұрын
BRAVO
@dimisrambodimisrambo7285
@dimisrambodimisrambo7285 11 ай бұрын
linear fuel trims must be positive or negative throughout the rev range or it doesn't matter and we can have positive at low revs and negative at high revs?
@madmike214
@madmike214 Жыл бұрын
Very cool!!! How did you charge for something like this though? I'm curious as to what billed hours you would charge for this.
@Hernandez530
@Hernandez530 Жыл бұрын
Probably took him a full day
@eliezerramosjr1017
@eliezerramosjr1017 11 ай бұрын
Charger by the hour and only TOOKEN bout couple hours.
@pootthatbak2578
@pootthatbak2578 11 ай бұрын
Imagine how long it took to set up the oscope to test 4 powers, 3 grounds, and a current clamp on the computer.😮 anyway im billing 16 hours at 150usd per/hr. 2400 dollars..the engine was saved from self destructing, which would have cost 6000 bucks
@ablackformula
@ablackformula Жыл бұрын
Could an inaccurate fuel pressure sensor have been a fault? If the sensor reads lower than actual.. the pcm would be happy with the pressure, as it sees what it's expecting, yet its fuel calculation ends up injecting too much fuel because in reality the fuel pressure was too high. That's where I saw this going.
@richardnilsen5
@richardnilsen5 Жыл бұрын
Great video process of elimination by reading Data and finding duty cycle on to long injectors 👃👍
@tatuado5875
@tatuado5875 2 ай бұрын
Hey Bernie, I have a 2018 Honda. Accord sport 1.5 Turbo I changed the injectors out. Change the fuel pump out. Change the map center out. Change the spark plugs out. Change the coils out and after all, said and done. I'm getting a code that's saying it's too rich. Could it be my upper? 02 sensor
@Jesus-ts5ig
@Jesus-ts5ig 7 ай бұрын
I have the same issue with my FIT in the shop. I have over 5000ppm HC when i check the readings in the oil cap. So the oil is contaminanted with fuel?
@cardiaglexia995
@cardiaglexia995 Жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@Ekimsrevo
@Ekimsrevo 9 ай бұрын
I had a 17 in the shop w gdi with a lean code turns out some of these had a recall on the injectors
@charlesmecum5009
@charlesmecum5009 7 ай бұрын
Curious, if no other shops can fix, does ats get paid more to diag, certain of the answer, but curious how much u charge.
@scaracci24
@scaracci24 Ай бұрын
I'd love to know the answer to this
@dereksimenac8844
@dereksimenac8844 Жыл бұрын
Lately most of my rich conditions are caused by octane rating for flex fuel vehicles
@rafaelgarcia-xk7eu
@rafaelgarcia-xk7eu Жыл бұрын
I had a 2018 fit with the same problem last week. I wasnt as thorough as Bernie, however my snap on zeus has an test for the injectors. The test failed "rich injectors" I was not confident enough with my diagnosis to replace the injectors, so I suggested the owner to try the dealer for a second opinion. A couple days later the owner called and said they reprogrammed the computer and that it was fixed.
@billsmith2212
@billsmith2212 Жыл бұрын
WHO put those injectors in ? WHY were they changed ? WHAT brand were they ? Was it a case of getting the wrong or cheap parts ? Someone has to know .
@theadmiral5425
@theadmiral5425 Жыл бұрын
Who da man......BT to the rescue
@donaldisrael7147
@donaldisrael7147 Жыл бұрын
When I saw the racing stripes-------------------
@marvinpostadan3484
@marvinpostadan3484 Жыл бұрын
Neo!
@Evesautomotive
@Evesautomotive Жыл бұрын
Because race car?
@JOMaMa..
@JOMaMa.. Жыл бұрын
Loaded with effects
@nickayivor8432
@nickayivor8432 Жыл бұрын
Automotive Test Solutions Bernie Thompson Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us, Bernie Thompson Automotive Test Solutions 👍 SHARP Bernie Thompson Automotive Test Solutions From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 22:36pm Good Evening
@joshuamyers3185
@joshuamyers3185 Жыл бұрын
I know in special function for ECM there is a A/F cylinder test. Per injector DTC troubleshooting it states to preform test three times and compare readings of pass fail and if duplicated it recommends all injectors to be replacement. I have used this test to preform injector checks when having a P0172 or misfire test. I do not or shops I help in testing do not have five gas analyzer. I have and wanted to purchase one but before making that call on expense would like to see the Honda A/F cylinder test results to five gas. Would like to see if a logic takes over or we get true valves out exhaust. Because I wounder if like in your case it shows Lambda and no stuck rear O2 reading, how it is making the logical choice to keep injector on for the times it does?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Жыл бұрын
Why would someone install high-flow injectors on a HONDA FIT 🤣🤣🤣 This one would be a good candidate to ask the customer about the history of the vehicle... "when did the problem start?" 😉
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