complaints 2 mins about being slow and having no torque, next 2 mins satisfy himself having too much torque, then cries for torque again. I mean it is 2L boxer engine, how the fuck can you make a comments like that... I am sure he thinks it eats more petrol than his nissan micra as well.

The torque curve out of the Toyobaru engine is definitely bad even for a NA engine, the Miata has a much cleaner torque curve. That's just a fact.

He isnt comparing this to luxury cars at all. The features this car is lacking can be found in Jeep, Dodge and Hyundai products. So it is definitely disappointing that this car doesnt include them. His review is spot on.

@@alejandromendoza1895 the point of this car is that it doesn't have all that fancy stuff.

@@alexzanderroberts995 No, the point of this car is that its a lightweight, rear wheel drive, sports car. Since when is lacking features the point of a car? Sofyans argument is valid, this car should be less expensive if it's lacking so much in comfort and features.

Brian - after only three months owning an automatic I seriously enjoy my 86 base

Gary Bowen im thinking of buying 1. Everyone is talking about how fun the manual is and how the car is designed to be manual and blah blah.. but I don’t know if a manual is gonna work for me since it would be my daily driver and I live in Toronto. Are u happy with ur automatic after a year? Is it a fun car to drive or nah?

SubieGuy 42 Japanese automatic transmissions just aren’t that strong I know Subaru’s aren’t idk who made the gear box. But I’ve heard no complaints from the manual so I think it’s up to personal preference

Its slow and overpriced

Jose A. Bruh it’s not supposed to be fast… You don’t see anyone complaining about the Miata when this thing is basically that!!!!

It's just old school. Gotta get with the times

@@kingmike7729 are people seriously majorly effected if they can't flick a blinker lever down fully and then back up?

@@hadez438 you have obviously never driven a car with that feature.

@@kingmike7729 Yeah and so what, Average takes more than 3 blinks to cut across a lane or to including checks of mirrors, does your car have mirrors?

@@hadez438 it only takes me one blink to go over. Three is just Overkill. What you do IDK

Toasty what’s the pricing on this??

@@dino91001 30k tax tag title.

TheFatPianist I did it for 2 years on my 2015 FRS I kind of wish they tuned the suspension a bit more to be livable for DD. But I might get another one in future despite my 15 being AT it was still a stellar car.

Do you still have it? How’s it holding up?

@@theVRpilot yes i still have it! Going on on 4 years and have about 45k miles as my daily car. Still love it and have had no issues with it. Considering getting a Supra once it's payed off next year :)

@@MrBeana7 NICE! happy to hear, my other question, you going to be happy not having a manual car as the current supra isnt manual? I owned a 2018 WRX limed for 6 months and loved it. Sold it. and not gonna lie, I MISS IT. I miss driving a manual car but not sure I miss the WRX design.

@@theVRpilot of course. I don't mind not having a manual car considering automatics have been improving. Also the Supra has ZF transmission so can't complain there

BASITH PH I totally agree. The only thing I wish they would change is that infotainment system.

Affordable its not :D

@@mannyechaluce3814 depends where you are. 29k cad is cheap as fuck for a sports car. Other sports car at the slightly more pricey range are mostly straight line cars.

I owned a BRZ limited for 4 years. The seats are very hard and have no adjustable lumbar so although they seem okay at first, they're very uncomfortable on long trips or even extended track sessions. Unless you're on a tight, twisty mountain road (and you've upgraded the tires) most family sedans will leave you in the dust which is a bitter pill to swallow. The infotainment and stock speakers are absolute garbage so I ended up spending several thousand to get something decent. I also put in loads of sound deadening to make the car tolerable as a daily driver. I wouldn't recommend buying one unless you're rich and are looking for a weekend go-kart to thrash.

An affordable way into track days is to buy a used track car. Only an idiot buys a $30k slow new car for track days.

This car is a combination of both Takumi's AE86 and Bunta's WRX Type R, it was designed with tofu delivery capability in mind.

How's the sound system? Need some deja vu bgm for that too

Anton Zuykov you're clearly missing out a good chunk of dank meme

@Anton Zuykov /whoosh

+Jonathan Dunlop if you want to be a weeb, do it properly "Hachi Roku"

Omegalul

Darmin Axel the flaw in your logic is that a Ferrari owner would actually need a ride to take their car to a mechanic. They have peasants for that.

People who have a Ferrari has multiple cars. So don’t compare a shitty Toyota to a exotic foreign.

This car has a Subaru motor

Driven the Gti as well!, it does accelerate way quicker than the 86, but it feels like a toy...light steering wheel, and the electronics kind of dull out the whole driving. The 86 feels like a racer with its heavy steering, and like you said you feel one with the chassis, and its a feeling I've yet to replicate in another reasonably priced car as of now.

Totally agree with your points sengamine! It has been speculated there may be a new facelift and engine coming for the 86/BRZ in 2020 or 2021.

You’re the guy I should talk to...I own a GTI and I want to trade it in for this Toyota. But I can’t get over the power drop. Is it really worth it? Won’t I get pissed when some diesel Audi outruns me? My last rear wheel drive sports car had 265 horses...I really don’t know what to do

You can downshift to pass regardless of whether or not you actually need to. I have a friend with a supercharged BRZ and Ill tell you that they shouldve came stock with one

Silent Wafflezz yea, obviously I can downshift. But, if I’m just cruising and I don’t need to, I’m not going to. And I 100% disagree that they should’ve come with forced induction factory.

Learn to drive.

matthew flanagan what? I know how to drive.

Silent Wafflezz, I think you missed the point. PeRX is saying the BRZ doesn't have enough torque in 5th or 6th gear to pass, so you have to downshift to a lower gear for passing power, whereas other cars out there have enough torque to leave in 5th or 6th gear and still be able to pass.

Ash S agreed! Ppl going crazy about this being slow is wrong. I mean look at the 90s list; Preludes, Celicas, 240SXs and so on. We value them today because of their cheap prices, maintenence and on and on. These will really be in demand in the 2020's & 30's especially since they are easily tunable and also are great drift machines.

Ash S Exactly! Makes you actually drive the car rather than just slamming the gas and cementing the steering wheel facing straight.

Tech is a personal preference. I personally hate all the tech loaded in cars today. It will fail and it becomes dated quickly. I would consider leasing most modern cars, but the 86 was the only inexpensive fun car I was confident to own for a long time. Not to mention long term running costs associated with maintaining all the sensors and delicate components related.

It'd be nice if they had an option for a more powerful one. Subaru and honda have options for 300hp why not toyota?

Ash S i love that too, but I hate how expensive they are considering they barely give you any extra options. This trim level is over $29K. Get yourself a base WRX for about 27K with a turbo, extra room, shift gear on the instrument panel, three blink one tap turn signal, faster, almost equal mpgs and stays at around 1200 rpm on sixth gear. Otherwise, there are still a billion options for this price range. Toyota should've priced these at around 24K imo. Good review tho!!

Forced induction will harm this car. Ruin it's weight and weight balance. Especially since its naturally aspirated engine gives instant linear throttle input for carving corners. Add a kick from a turbo and that extra weight of the charger to the front and you ruined a perfectly good formula. Until they learn how to make 4 cylinder naturally aspirated engines that create about 300 hp, this is the best we get.

Admiral Ackbar 'Ruin' might be a bit harsh; still, I totally agree that the car is excellent as is and needs no more HP to be a blast.

Blue Lane Frontier just no

@@xFlared isn't this car supposed to deliver tofu instead of doing quarter miles?

This car can beat 800hp muscles on a track. Unless it's straight line, this car is one of the, if not the most agile in it's class and price.

If you are willing to sacrifice RWD dynamics, manual transmission, and tail happiness, you could easily get a car with more fuel economy and faster. Just buy something like a 2.0T accord or v6 Camry. Both of those are very quick well under 6 seconds, both ride well, and surprisingly they have good handling for fwd sedans, albeit both of them are more expensive. That being said the 86/BRZ aren’t bad cars by any means. They are really fun to drive for RWD. But you have to sacrifice some things to get that such as practicality, ride comfort, acceleration, and fuel economy. *Oh I forgot that the accord 2.0T does have a manual available.*

michael jaro my god shiftlocking the transmission

Of course it’s going to be not smooth

Exit Strategy hahaha make sure you keep her tuned up lol

Exit Strategy Your 2017 wife has ugly disgusted mouth then... 😂

asj12 They are both fun to ride as long as nobody sees you.

Did she have a big hole in the midrange too?

😂

I'm at a loss for words to describe how nonsensical your post is. I didn't know people existed that were this out of their minds with delirium. First of all, the GT86 is the most quintessential sports car on the market at the moment, to say otherwise means you don't know the definition of the word. And the handling is "just OK"? You know Consumer Reports broke their emergency lane change record, the benchmark for handling, by just putting actual sports tires on an FR-S, right? Seasoned racing drivers the world over recognize the handling to be some of the best anywhere, it's not even a debate. Second of all, the Civic Si is a wrong wheel drive commuter car with an upgraded engine, not a sports car. I don't know what planet you think a Civic Si makes 280 whp with a tune and downpipe that wouldn't lead to blowing the car up with more than a drag run, if it lasts that long. And don't even get me started on how pointless some random people's lap times at VIR is, unless you have the same driver on the same day with the same tires, you may as well pull lap times out of a hat. Drive a Civic Si if you want, it'll make idiots like you easier to spot so I can avoid hearing your absolute nonsense.

Sergio Aguirre I cringed so hard at all of that nonsense I think I broke my back. First of all, dude, read the first line of that article. Those Civic's tires are absolutely ridiculous compared to the drift-friendly stock BRZ tires. Not only are they wider, but they're massively softer. Comparing cars on unequal tires is something only an idiot magazine racer would do...ohhhhhhh, right: you. Second of all, shitty transmission? The transmission is one of the best out there, I don't know what broken car you were driving, but one in good shape is fantastic. And hard plastic interior? Compared to a bargain bin Honda? Please. The only reason the power feels "underwhelming" is because you have a 5 year old's perception of speed and because the FR-S's low CG and properly sorted suspension doesn't buck you around like a 25¢ kiddie ride in front of Wal-Mart you think it's slow. All performance benchmarks show the Si being around the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile or slightly slower, and that's super embarrassing considering how much better the stock tires are on the Civic. Third of all, the Type R is $10k more expensive than a base GT86 (which is the only thing you should buy, all options are a waste of money) and for that money you could have 400-500 hp with an aftermarket turbo or supercharger and would destroy the Type R. Fourth of all, comparing a "bolt on" turbo car (which sounds like a 95% swap out according to the numbers you're posting) is not the same as an N/A bolt on car. 86's are known for not making much power with N/A bolt ons, you have to go F/I to make serious power. Finally, just watch this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLGip5yj3tPPmKs.html An FR-S passing a 911, WRX, S2000, etc. with basically just a tire upgrade. Like, I just don't even understand where your logic is coming from with all of these arguments. If you're just looking to drag race, buy some old shitty Mustang and throw some parts on it and save some money. If you want to go fast on a track for cheap buy a race kart. If you want an amazing handling daily driver get an 86. If you want to look like an idiot to everyone around you, buy a Civic.

big facts.

jacob stefo do you think it’s worth 21k. I’m wanting to get a new one and I can get one for about 21k with 8k miles. I just want someone’s honest opinion and not just someone trashing the car.

It needs a rehaul - the interior and the engine are really underwhelming for 28-30k+.

It will get smoked by vans at the red light.

A Dream it's 12k for an FRS, it's the same car

For that price you can pick up a Mazdaspeed 3, a GTI, or a Focus St if you look hard enough. Why would you get a FR-S? The used market makes an 86 (or FR-S) completely ridiculous to choose out of what is available.

Yes those 2018 MazdaSpeed 3s look great. Also lol 3 FWD cars. Good choices there.

Have to agree with you Toyota has pushed this thing out of the budget I'd have set for one of these. Guess its better to buy a used BRZ/86/FRS at this point

That's damn near the same price range of a mk7 GTI, of which I'd much rather spend my money on.

ManiacPenguin this dude is a bitch and sucks

Acurawilly 98 such a sad person

Daddy Doug’s better

ManiacPenguin ITS ALL FACTS TENNESSEE TUXEDO

Best reviews from an enthusiast/driver POV. Top rated, classy. Doug is cool TFL informative It shows that Mr. Bey loves to drive, and is honest with his critique.

then he goes and lease an automatic Porsche and a Tesla

type r but he had 2 manual miatas

PDK on the porsche is not really an automatic though

MJ Wild nope..both suck.. both are slow

type r the main reason he said to not get the automatic is because the 86/brz have a cvt. A PDK in the Porsche is definitely the way to go. It’s too good at everything.

How's it running?

^

Does it really not have satilite radio?

Iamcg3 Neat car props for the longevity but other than that I don't understand the appeal. Hit the gas and go to sleep lol

MR Islandtime color/package differentiates itself from frs/86/brz imo. Wouldn’t be interested in this car in another color. Passed up brz PP and ts at dealership. Happy medium between my old s2k and 240. Drivability w/ modern aesthetic. Will stay stock as long as I own it.

James Hunt same with mine

Maybe displaying in the mirror is a "feature" of the higher GT trim. Which kind of pisses me off, because I just got a 2019 GT, and I can't swap the mirror for a Homelink one because of the backup camera display.

How much did you get your 2019 GT for? I was looking at one for 28.7k, but I feel it's too much.

MSRP, which is around 33k I think. But I work for the dealership chain, so I had employee discount. Edit: I'm in Canada, so that's CAD.

Hope we didn't disappoint you!

Redline Reviews thank you for all the excellent reviews! Will you be reviewing the 2019 Honda Pilot anytime soon? I would love to hear what you think.

Redline Reviews You never do!

Yes! Honda is sending us to CA in 11 days to drive and film it. We're confused as to why its so late considering dealers already have the car but they are still holding a media program for journalist this month!

“And when you go to shut the door... It could sound a little bit more solid”

i have a brz btw i think the toyota front end is hideous

Fluterra A1

Toyota/Subaru have spent the better part of 4 years ironing out minor kinks and improving reliability. I applaud Toyota/Subaru for making it reliable first. I expect the next few years to see a updated drivetrain, especially with the Supra due to launch in the coming year or so. I believe the 86 was top 3 most reliable cars on the road last year.

FR, they need to offer it with a carry v6 for like $33,000

They worried about the drivers by bringing this car out. Sports cars these days aren't profitable for manufactures these days. And this car isnt about power. Look into the V6 Genesis for that.

ThickCock 45 a v6 would just make it heavy look at the 370z

Yooooo, scotty!

It might be insulating ceramic coating, stopping heat transfering into the intake air ;p

No its aluminum now instead of plastic. If you're not joking.

Correct.

Base Model Camaro or Mustang? Are you slow in the head... Even a Miata drives better than this. Matter of fact most 4 door sedans like the Accord, Camry, BMW 3, runs better than this.

Hennessy * hopefully the supra won't be an overpriced car for the performance like this car... cause at this point it should be somewhere between 15 to 25k not 25k to 34k...

~$50-60 grand depending on if you want the i4 or i6 engine.. 300-400 HP stock but Tada-san encourages 2j swaps

what do you care? watch it at a different time then.

thecman26 like old people can actually drive one

Good one lol

Raghunandan Reddy C Bitch I learned on a stick, 4 speed rock crusher in a Nova 396 SS... Now go back to your safe space and put your romper on...

Binary Number Well 127% of people don't have a clue about statistics and thus most are made up!

Not anymore , a lot of us are learning and learning fast 😂

Robert Becker this isn’t 2013-2014 he isn’t going to review older cars.

I miss those days. He's grown out of them apparently

If you haven't already, check out Doug Demuro's reviews of those.

Nigil Ramotar you can. But imo Doug is an annoying fool. Many of his points are his personal opinions and annoying.

DJ Ghez why I use regs in my corolla what’s the difference?

Your Corolla has a lower compression ratio than an 86. So it's fine in your car but not in the twins. The lower the octane, the easier it can ignite so high compression and low octane can cause premature ignition (knock).

www.carthrottle.com/post/engineering-explained-high-vs-low-octane-petrol/ www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7633

Pretty sure Ap1 was just memeing you

HellKitty 101 Here Kitty kitty

None of those are sports cars though. You could argue the mustang and camaro, all though they're considerably heavier, and with base trim engines are not what most people want from those cars. FWD hot hatches, and a AWD sedan aren't comparable. They're designed around regular commuter cars, and given more performance. If people cross shop these cars then they have no idea what they are actually looking for in a car. Really the only car that compares for the money to the 86 is the Mazda MX5. The 370Z in base trim is also comparable all though it is much heavier and doesn't feel as good at the limit. It is better equipped and has more power. A car built similarly to the 86 but step up in performance is something like a Porsche Cayman. Which is 40+K . Sports cars are a compromise, you have to give up something to be light, you have to give up something to be inexpensive.

I totally agree with you!! I love Toyota but this has been wrong from day one. It's a great idea poorly executed :/

Civic fwd. mustang is high soft suspension, and truck seating position. You'll not find agility and sportier chassis under 70k other than a brz. This car is for those seeking purity in turns.

Admiral Ackbar What? Low seating and harsh suspension does not make a great sports car.

Same thing with the tC. Honestly one of the worst parts of that car.

MFP - Driving Habits same thing for my Lexus is300. I was astonished when I first got it and put it on the highway.

MFP - Driving Habits Miata is the worst, sits at around 3k at 50mph

My 17 Elantra at 90 is only doing 2800 rpms.

My 2012 A7 3.0TFSI cruises at 120kph @ 1800RPM 😂

Some of that is because of the demographics of each brand. Toyota has a tuner culture in Japan, and has for a long time, but not so much in the US. Some Supras aside, most people can't name a tuner Toyota model. By contrast, you almost can't find an unmodified WRX or STI. The culture surrounding these brands is a lot different. That's why initially Toyota pushed it out under the Scion brand, they were trying to build a youthful, tuner demographic with brand loyalty. Didn't really work. Anyway, that accounts for some of the difference in attitude.

LEX Maximaguy87 lol I was thinking Subayota

works as well.

LEX Maximaguy87 the engine is a Subaru, the car is a Toyota, just like when the mk4 Supra came out, the 2JZ engine was Yamaha and the car was Toyota

Suyota

Lowrider Life The engine also does contain Toyota's D4S injection system DNA on it, so it's not solely a Subaru motor alone.

I had a Celica GT-S as well and now a BRZ. The power band in the cars feel very different. The BRZ/86 power band is way better down low and much more usable compared to the Celica.

Buy a diesel then.

I would if Diesel engines weren’t so obnoxious.

Wyatt W good luck

Cristian Mendoza no luck necessary, the internet is a wonderful tool

same

Same dude

Same

No lie, same here...