My truck does tow the fifth wheel pretty good, I am probably going to upgrade the brakes when I have to replace my pads though.

Why you felt that it wouldn't haul a 5th wheel?

How much weight are you usually towing with your 6.4?

The plan to keep it forever helped in my decision.

The Big Horn is my favorite trim.

Thanks man!

I'm still super happy with my truck as well, it tows ok as well.

That is a nice camper! I am a huge fan of Grand Design.

I've heard nothing but good things about that 7.3 gas.

You may be able to special order it at the dealership. I have yet to order a truck though, so I could definitely be mistaken.

I think so too.

I agree, I just do not tow enough to justify the diesel

I wasn't towing near enough to justify it, I saved a ton of money.

When the truck is in tow mode it disables the ECO mode, I am super happy with how the truck pulls heavy stuff down the road. The Laramie interiors are super nice!

Have you’ve been thru the steep grade passes of Colorado too ? Was wondering how the brakes hood up going down those long grades out west without the diesel exhaust braking ? ?

@@bobmariano3731 Yes, we did Colorado right after we got the truck and did Rocky Mountain National Park up and down several passes. Truck did fine towing the Airstream. I used the adaptive cruise which downshifted along with braking. I also used the manual gear selector on the steering wheel to engine brake - never felt like the brakes were taxed. Trans temps stayed within normal range too. The 2500 is built to take it with the 6.4 gas engine. And it’s 900 lbs less than a comparable diesel.

It's right under 3500

I just got some new tires, it was more expensive than when I got the rims and tires.

The diesel pulls better, and stops way better when towing. I don't tow enough with the truck to justify the extra cost.

Wait until you start having trouble with all The Government Enforced Diesel Emissions that are on that Diesel and you Will! it's not If its When! the new ones run in Regen about half the time I had a 2020 Ram 2500 Cummins and the last year I had it the truck was in the shop 96 Days and they will laugh at you if you want a Loaner I had 35000 K on it and traded for a 2022 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi so for its been good I pull a 30Ft 8000 Pound TT>>Good Luck with that Diesel and stock up on DEF fluid you will need it.

Jest remember P.M.C.S. (permentvent maintains checks and services). I have a 2017 3500 6.7 and love it. I do most of the maintains. (Oil change, fuel filters, fluid changes. 67k cleaning. Def is a pain but it's not like you have too fill it up every time you fuel up. I keep a small steam cleaner in the truck just in case I have to clean the DEF, it's been know to clog up by crystallized the injector. Diesels aren't that bad if you know how to do simple maintains. Not trying to insult just saying. Wanted to add on. Something are a pain. Like check engine light. Ram made it so you ether go too a dealer or an independent who pays corporate so they can check. That I will say is frustrating.

We purchased a gas truck to tow our 36ft fifth wheel 12k lbs GVWR - I regret not going diesel. Hills suck, low speed throttle suffers and always having to find a large truck stop to fit at the gas pumps is always a bit nerve wrecking. If I had to do it over, I would go diesel regardless of maintenance costs and fuel.

Had a 6.7 Cummins for towing our 5er. It pulled great but today's diesels have way too much emission crap. First time you have a DPF, EGR, High Pressure Fuel Pump, Turbo, Injector etc,etc you will go gas. Also if you pick up bad fuel which is more common with diesel it's on you. Manufacturer does not cover. My new truck is a Ram 3500 with 6.4l Hemi and 4:10 rear. Pulls our 14,000# fifth wheel fine. No it doesn't pull like my Cummins did but it still does the job and doesn't break the bank to keep it on the road.

Just buy a ford 7.3L gasser and you won’t have to worry. I own a Ram 1500 right now and hope to upgrade soon.

Yeah except when you go to the resale you're going to lose a lot of money on a gas truck and you'll be suffering the whole time your towing because the diesel has way more torque. Also, you'll be working the engine hard so the gas mileage well you'll make up the difference. You should watch real world videos on people towing and gas mileage of the Cummins versus the gasoline engine. Have you plan on keeping the truck for more than a couple of years? Getting a diesel will more than pay for that checking of the box when it comes to resale as long as you check four-wheel drive.

@david what about those steep grades going down hill with gas instead of diesel exhaust braking ? ? Can you upgrade braking system on gas truck to be safer ? ? Thx 👍⚾️

I think so too!

The diesel will definitely tow and stop better, but money is hard to get these days. 12k is a lot of money.

Thanks 👍

This is another reason I went back to gas. The emissions stuff kills trucks and itself.

Great advice. These small diesels are the fleece ops for the big 3. Fleece the diesel option @ 10k upfront, fleece the options to Laramie/Lariat minimum. Then raise the msrp to 92k for a Laramie like Ram did. And make it totally worthless past warranty. Lots of profit and a lifetime of extremely poor money spent for the consumer every 5yrs

The exhaust brake on the diesel truck definitely help them stop better. I leave way more room to stop with this truck than I did my with diesel truck.

I thought so as well

This is one of the reasons I went back to gas, Def and DPS is no good for the engine in my opinion.

I wanted blue, but the red has grown on me.

Jim brown in Dade City, Fl

Diesel definitely does way better towing.

Crazy

I just bought an older diesel. Towing in mountains would definitely be easier with a diesel truck.

What year, lift, and tires?

Braking with diesel trucks is definitely better, like a bunch. However if you don't drive like a crazy person you can do it safely with a gas truck. You will just need to involve a little awareness and go a bit slower to control the weight. A company called Powerstop makes brake upgrades, they replace the pad and rotor.

Math is hard, but these newer gas trucks ain't that bad at stuff.

Thanks 👍

3.73

Go and try and order that truck today, let us know how much more it cost.

@BandBWorkx 🤑 Noway. A used 2020 F350 Lariat Crew cab Alumaduty last month was tagged at 73k with 120 thousand miles. I'm good with the trucks I have for quite a while. 😁

Exactly, the same truck I have now is over 60,000. Crazy expensive.

What year was your truck? Ours was a 2020, there is two fuel filter and they were over $100 a piece. However, this was five years ago and I would imagine it is much cheaper now. It also was most likely my fault for not finding the best deals on parts. I have a 2010 Chevy Duramax as well, I can do that oil change including the external trans filter for about $100.

The new gas trucks do pretty ok towing. Emission stuff is a disaster for the the diesel engine.

I was never able to find the filters or oil for that price, not a bad price at all for your maintenance. Not sure if I could last one oil change a year though, I travel too much. It would be at least two or maybe three oil changes for me depending on how busy I get.

You don’t get it obviously. Is this your first diesel?

It was not

@@bandbworkx Unless you tow a lot it’s not worth the extra cost to buy, to maintain, and fuel prices over gas now.

@@jacksonflyingv5181 my thoughts exactly. Free education for the person that says its just the oil and filter that costs more haha that person would be carlo gal who is completely clueless and thats why I asked her if this was her first diesel.

It does

My thoughts exactly, them new Chevy trucks look good also. Do you like the new mirrors?

@@bandbworkx they are fantastic! Best visibility I’ve every had in a truck. Wish the lower “wide angle” mirror was power adjust but otherwise fantastic. We have an LT Alaskan package 6.6 gas.

Valid points

@BandBWorkx Thank you and I should know. I own my semi and what a pain in the arse, can't work on them without a computer, farmers have same issue unless you buy the yearly $8k software, totally not happening.

I was never able to find the cheap fuel filters, maybe I just didn't look hard enough.

@@bandbworkx yeah eBay has a good prices. And Geno’s sells kits decently priced. Gas is less to worry about…I have both and theres ways to make the emissions reliable if you know what I mean. The diesel is more up front, but you’ll always get that up front cost back.

Thanks

It does, the diesel engine is pretty heavy.

I need to find one with a 13' garage

@@bandbworkx mine is a 2021 Grand design momentum 29g we love it with a GVWR 12000lb mine with my toy in it only at 10100lb

That's not bad at all

@@bandbworkx thanks

Why is that? The Cummins is great engine, I do agree with that.

I will say, if they tow every day they shouldn't have problems. But most people don't, so their exhaust temps are low, which will ruin their truck. Dan runs nothing but diesel trucks. But they tow every day, so no problems. But I don't, so gas for me.

Why?

It's pretty good, obviously doesn't tow as good as a diesel. It still gets the job done though.

Thanks

I really like power wagons

That's what works for me, if your only towing every 4 months or so it could work for you as well. If you're not towing every day the gas should be fine.