"Don't haggle me on the price I know what its worth"

The sounds, smell, feel of a diesel is worth it alone

Can you PLEASE make a video focusing specifically on the pros and cons of Older diesels (pre emissions) vs New Generation diesels? That would be so awesome !

I'm a gas guy, I enjoy wrenching on a gas engine, I love the sounds and revvs. If I was towing all the time I would get a diesel truck, or if I was overlanding as more of my automotive hobby I would get a diesel. I love the sound of the late 80s and late 90s diesel engines. I think overall I enjoy gas engines a bit better because thats what I was taught on so I understand that engine type better.

4:08 ,that delivery guy was checking out your rig😎

In the Rust Belt pushing snow and pulling landscape trailers there is no difference between Diesel and gas. they all rot away at the same rate🤣

Value of a Ram 1500 Hemi vs 2500 with a Cummins, no contest!!! I’ll never own a gas truck. Love my ‘03 Cummins!

The only reason you should get a diesel is if you have a use for it. If you're not towing or if you don't do a minimum of an hour commute to work theres no point in owning a diesel. As a HD mechanic the maintenance factor is a larger factor then you seem to take it as. Maintenance isn't something you can take lightly because realistically you can't ignore properly maintaining a vehicle. While you're right about some parts remaining the same, majority of parts are far more expensive to compensate for the extra weight, torque, etc. Another thing you said well was about the stop and go traffic, that I'd absolutely terrible for a diesel engine. Offroad equipment and gensets typically have the highest life expectancy of diesel engines due to the fact that they are held at one consistent rpm for their life span. Followed by long haul tractors. Another factor you didnt mention is climate. Gasoline has a flash point of -40°c (-40°f) while diesel can vary from 52-96°c (126-205°f). You're topic about resale value I feel was somewhat pointless as the variance between the 2 prices was essentially the extra it cost to throw the diesel in from factory. While yes it is a nice thought the only real time resale value is important is if you're flipping vehicles or a salesman. Resale on a diesel is also a lot higher because of maintenance. The maintenance you throw into a diesel is significantly higher than a gasoline truck. While the fuel may be better in a diesel there is still decent options for fuel efficient gas trucks. My coworkers 2019 dodge ram 1500 gets about 8L/100KM (roughly 29 mpg) if I remember correctly which is used as his commuter while he has a 2019 duramax used for towing and strictly that. That's just my 2 cents but at the end of the day it's your dime not mine, do whatever floats your boat.

Diesel if you’re towing all the time,other than that it’s not a big deal.

Unless you tow very heavy, new diesel trucks just aren’t worth it. They’re more expensive, more costly to repair, more costly to maintain, less refined, less of an MPG gap, and less reliable (due to emissions equipment that are now virtually impossible to delete). If you can find a pre emissions, rust free, low mileage diesel; yes buy it. A new truck made in last couple years? Buy a gasser unless you absolutely need the diesel for towing.

I’ll pick gas. I’m a diesel mechanic.

As a diesel owner since 2006, I tell those who ask that I would not own a diesel that is newer than 2007 unless I am using it for commercial purposes and can pass the expenses along to customers.

That diesel and transmission do weigh a lot more. I have owned both and currently have a 2019 Ram 2500 Longhorn with the Hemi. One stat that these comparisons seem to not really mention is the cargo /payload advantage that the gas has over the diesel . I'm able to load almost 800 lbs more than the same truck with a diesel. That's something that should be considered when deciding.

Bought my '03 Cummins with a manual trans about 3 years ago for $15k. Spent about $3.5k so far, fixing various issues including a new set of injectors. My insurance currently has it valued at $25k. I'm quite content with my purchase to say the least. It's been a fantastic truck and even though I get people constantly offering me more than what I paid and put into it, I'd never sell it!

This video is great, thanks for the all the information I'm buying my first diesel truck and and this video is so informative on my decision. 👍

Bought my first diesel truck in 14 and I will never look back as I take long hauls pulling around 7-9k lbs and I literally drive as if there was nothing back there, one subject you forgot to touch is the exhaust brake which is a game changer.

Thank you so much Andrew for your outstanding work, have a great day.

4:07 I like how the guy looks back at the truck lol

Already decided but JEEZ the video quality had me hooked to this video! Great job man!!

Woah finally a dude with some brains and some computer skills on youtube. Thought id never see the day someone would make it big explaining all of this stuff

Having both gas and diesel, I’ll stick with the diesel, I get the same fuel economy but the truck tows better, that and the diesels sound better as well

Good video. Thanks man. I'm shopping for a new truck right now and am contemplating this decision. I definitely have almost zero need for a diesel truck; I just want one. I have owned gas trucks in the past and when I do tow with it, I hate it. I hate the long trip back home over mountain passes screaming away at 4500 rpm up a big hill. My last two cars have been diesel and I have to say, they are so much more enjoyable to drive and the fuel economy is worth it. The maintenance costs are a little higher, but not bad. I wouldn't say I spent anything specifically on the engine but you do get charged more for the same basic maintenance from the dealer which is common on the gas and diesel variants. If you're doing this stuff yourself, I don't think you'd notice the difference. Sure I do a lot of in town trips but I can always take the girls gas vehicle if I really need to. I think I'm going to go with the diesel despite it costing a ton for a fully loaded truck, even used. I know that first long haul trip out of town in the gas truck, if I bought it, I'd regret it immediately.

Good article. A few more things to think about for most people. I am a diesel fan. But according to your numbers, the 6 to $7000 difference in New price is almost offsets the trade in value. The oil change price is almost equal to difference in fuel mileage. Then you add in deff and filters of newer, there is more cost. Cold climate starts with no heater plugged in can be another factor. Diesel ic no good in city short drives. Diesels are great for longer commuits, if you haul a lot of weight, or tow a lot. You are right about fuel. One time diesel is higher the next time gas is higher. I penciled it in and if gas is cheaper and diesel got 4 miles to the gallon, not counting the more expensive oil changes, it would have taken 180,000 to break even on cost in 2001 when we bought our diesel. Diesels are great if you plan on keeping it for a long time or haul-pull weight. It would be a tough decision for me now where I don't haul as much weight. With the 35 cent difference in fuel price right now, it would be a hard choice. Problem with gas PU right now is nothing much better than14-16 mpg.

Dope video as always great content and badass how you don’t bash gas trucks and just put out key points 👍🏽

In my opinion it comes down to what you’re using it for in the case of a diesel if you’re using it to mostly tow or travel long distances for extended periods of time yes diesel would probably be a better option it can haul the heavier weight and 8 out 10 chances get better fuel mileage than a gasser but at the same time the gasser holds it own because it can get good fuel mileage I have personally witnessed this with my Ram 5.7 Hemi and non mds at that, as well as most parts are cheaper especially an oil change, I use 7 quarts in my truck where a small car would probably use 4-5 but a diesel uses like 15 quarts. Colder months can be harder on a diesel because the fuel could gel up if there’s no additive and where it runs off compression and not spark. I’ve owned a 2005 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 and a1998 Ford F-150 5.4 for many years and they have served their purpose very well, I haven’t ever hauled anything they couldn’t handle and both have bigger fuel tanks so mileage hasn’t been an issue. I do agree that diesel’s will hold their value better especially if properly maintained but unless you’re handy with tools diesel mechanic’s can be more costly and in my opinion gassers are just more simple to work on especially the older ones. So as I previously stated it boils down to what it’s used for, so some 16yr old that got a F-350 for a bday present from mom and dad that’ll never actually use it is honestly just a waste of a perfectly good truck although the salesman is pretty happy and I’m not gonna lie if someone wanted to just give me one I would definitely appreciate the opportunity and use it for some of the heavier workloads that I’ve encountered but I’m not gonna pay more money for something I can get done with my gasser and they’re paid off so that’s my opinion thx

Wow. Thank you! This video learned me a lot. I cover to much ground for the truck I own. I’m looking to get a new truck, definitely have my mind made up.

Great video as always bro 👏👏🤙🏼🤙🏼

Awesome video, as always. I agree with basically everything. Used to drive a 6.0 powerstroke that actually treated me pretty well. Anymore, I just really don't have a use for a diesel which is why I drive Toyotas now. Yeah, I sacrifice some fuel economy but I don't care so much as I more than make up for that in reliability, build quality and resale value.

I own a 2011 Chevy Silverado with the 5.3l gas V8 that has 93k miles on it. I love how the truck rides and drives since it’s my daily driver and I do often drive short distances so it works for me. I haven’t had a single thing mechanically go wrong with the truck (knock on wood) and it has been serving me well. I bought it brand new from the dealer and have taken very good care of it so there’s something to add as far as knowing the type of driving you put on the truck as opposed to buying second hand and not knowing exactly how the previous owner drove the truck or how well it was taken care of. I do plan on replacing my Silverado with a 2500 diesel in the future and I find myself balancing on a beam between a Duramax and Cummins. I have always liked those Dodge (RAM) HDs but have heard some reliability issues that concern me for the trucks longevity. It wouldn’t be used so much as a work truck but more or less a family hauler that can carry all of our gear on road trips and with the potential into maybe some over landing adventures. That leads me to my next debate, independent front suspension or a solid axle? I really dig what those guys at CJC Off-road are doing and would maybe venture that route as far as upgrading the suspension on the truck. Anyway. Sorry for the rant but that’s where my mind goes when I look into getting my next truck. I want something that works for my personal needs and being that I’m a longtime Chevy guy I may need to either be convinced or sold on a RAM with the Cummins diesel. I know all these trucks have their highs and lows.

I just got my permit a few months ago and I’m gonna get my first truck soon. We found a 1997 Ford F-250 HD 4x4 5.8 for a really good deal. I kinda wanted a diesel but this is a really good deal so maybe one day I’ll get a diesel! I might do videos about it when I get parts for it or something. Thanks for the video!

Iv always wanted a first or second gen Cummins, however I drive a much cheaper 1st gen Dakota with the 318, I’m at 425,000 miles on the original power train.

Never had a diesel but I want one.

So, spend $6000 upfront get $6000 back when you sell it? I’m sorry but that doesn’t mean it’s holding it’s value more. It’s literally the same depreciation.

I agree, diesel resale makes up for the initial cost and lower fuel cost and a stronger better performance and livability make diesel much more enjoyable. I have the Cummins in a 3500 dually and love that Cummins motor.

Basically the difference in price is the $6.000 that you paid in the beginning.

Thanks this helped a lot

I have an 06 w/80k now and I’ve turned down several offers over 30k. Now the only thing I will say is that these trucks are meant to be driven. Maybe even driven hard for a good portion. I’ve broken a few things literally from not using it enough so now I drive it way more.

EC/LB dually with LB7 duramax, no emissions at all that year, 100k miles, Bought it bone stock, currently 600+ HP. I'll own it until the zombie apocalypse. And I daily drive it.

2020 Ram Power Wagon (hemi) here and my cousin has a 2020 Cummins. Both are badass trucks.

I love the wheel selections / rim selection on all these trucks, so many guys choose ugly rims and have a massive offset like a damn skateboard !!

Still running my second gen Cummins, but I also have a gasser for shot round town trips.

I have had the Silverado 8.1 Allison and a f350 460 5spd both ran great past 300k miles but the mpg was terrible. I like the older 7.3 and pre emission Cummins both are pretty easy to work on yourself.the other thing really nice on the diesel is the engine braking if your going to tow or haul in the mountains

What I just saw about resale value was that they’re equal. The increase for a diesel is the same new or used but it’s the same.

Ive owned 3 5.9s. 91, 03, 04.5. Awesome trucks! Though i sold my 03 and 04.5 rigs, i greatly miss them they were solid. Right now I still have the 91 and a '13 5.0 F150. Though gutless in the bottom end, the F150 has been great. Much less maintence and repairs then the older diesels. Id find it hard to go back to diesel with the tighter regulations coming in the foreseeable future. The cost of maintence and repairs can put a man in debt easy. If you want a truck with killer resale value and is low maintence - Toyota Tundra.

I have a 2000 f250 7.3l and a 2009 dodge ram 2500 5.7 Hemi. And both are great trucks.

the resale value gap can be accounted for the initial upcharge for the diesel engine. Initial upcharge $6k, value at 300k miles $17k diesel - $11k gas = $6k. But that doesn't account for the increased cost of ownership of the diesel, so you still come out behind. The only reasons to buy a diesel is if you are actually working it, or if you are an enthusiast.

I would have to agree with you. Seems the new price of gas or diesel trucks is so close but the resale after 150k miles is so much greater with diesel trucks, it makes sense to take the hit up front.

I'm sure someone else has already pointed this out, but I wanted to make a note that at 300K miles, the diesel is worth $17K and the gasser is worth $11K. The difference is $6K....which is the original price difference between the diesel and the gasser. In fact, the price difference at each of your mileage points was $6K. Doesn't seem like there's much of a difference in depreciation between the two in the long run.

I love driving my 97 12v she's a dog, definitely even with me messing with the fuel plate, had 2 case trucks in my life and honestly I'm 99% positive I'm sticking with Diesels. My 03 lb7 put that final nail in the coffin to the diesel world

I would choose the diesel one. Love the cluttering engine noise. Sound cool.

I get 22-24 mpg on my 2020 Silverado 5.3 , max tow, 8 speed, highway driving flat highways near sea level not towing. I got the same or better with my 2015 and 2017 both a 5.3's with a 6 speed. (my 2000 Silverado 4.3 six could only do 17 highway) I can afford a diesel, but it makes no sense to me in 2020. Diesel fuel is more expensive in PA and DE where I live. We tow an 8,000 pound boat short distances. All 3-5.3's did/do that easily. I think the max tow on the 2020 is near 13,000. I do agree diesel is cooler. It just does not make sense for my situation in $$. Thanks for an informative video. I enjoyed and have subscribed. Maybe I'll go the oil burner route down the road. Who knows...

I recently bought an 04 Silverado 2500 with the gas engine. It was only at 90k and I got it for 10k. An equivalent truck with the duramax would’ve been easily 20k. Especially down here in Florida were stuff lasts. It works good for me it gets terrible fuel economy but the duramax of that year wouldn’t do much better. Overall it’s dang near the same truck, put a lift and running 35”s and it handles it no problem. Really all I could afford was a 10 thousand dollar vehicle since I don’t finance so the gasser was a no brainer at that point. In a perfect world tho, I’d take the diesel all day.

my dad went from an f150 i6 300cu to a diesel. he added an engine heater to the outside of the garage for winter michigan.

I like how you talked about the parts being similar but I feel maintenance is way more expensive on diesels, injectors 2500$ gasser 500$. High injection pumps diesel 1500$ gasser.... Ford ecoboost are comparable to diesels fuel mileage and they tow enough for a nice sized trailer... plus they don't ride like a diesel in the street stock for stock. I currently own an lml duramax. Oil changes, fuel filters more expensive on diesels. I think regardless if your not going to be using the Max towing capabilities the diesel isn't real worth it. If you just want raw torque that'll blow your mind... DIESEL ALL DAY! but if not ecoboost motors are a close runner up! And resale is really only important if you think you ll sell it.. that's my opinion

Just traded in my 18 power wagon for a 19 2500 Cummins and you couldn’t be more spot on about fuel economy, and value retention! In my area in Colorado I had been seeing 100k plus 2013 or older 6.7 Cummins selling for 37k that’s around all my power wagon was worth at 2 years old with 50k on it! I loved my power wagon but getting 5 mpg up a steep incline in Colorado was ridiculous my Cummins gets triple that!

thanks much for the benefial infos u shared

I'm new to the diesel world, i have a 3rd gen Dodge Ram 2500, I'm in love. I plan on driving this thing off into the sunset.

Our 7.3 has 500k. Still runs great, 2md trans, 1st engine

Got a duramax with 194k deleted egr 5inch straight pipe still running strong

I'd say that in small trucks like ford rangers a gas engine makes sense, but in a full size truck it makes a lot more sense to have a diesil rather than having a gasser. For example, one of my family members has a 99 7.3 F350 dually that gets 18-22 mpg while a friend of mine has the 5.4 in a similar year F250 and he's getting 14 mpg.

I have a 96 Ram with 95k original miles and I completely agree with this 100% Also I’m getting a 05 diesel from my friends dad for about 24k and it I my has around 65,000 original miles he’s the only owner!

I love diesels. But I have no use for one. Unless you tow there’s no use for a diesel. You compared Ram for Ram. But if you get into Toyota territory. Well. Even those are higher in actual market value than KBB listings. And cost of ownership is also less than any Cummins diesel.

Diesels the way to go. Got an 03 Cummins and an 06 Ram 1500. I love my diesel so much more than my gas truck. I use the gas as a daily but I regret getting it at times.

Maintenance in a sense is and isn’t the same. You have to get oil changed every 3-5k miles (or used to idk about now) on gassers. Especially if they’re synthetic, you’re running about the same price on a diesel since you can go double the mileage. But I do agree with everyone that having to do fuel filters, lift pumps, injectors, etc etc. if you got a bad truck it’s gonna be WAY more expensive than a gasser

Sure helped me

That mega cab is 😍😍

My brother and I both have 1996 dodge rams. He has the diesel and I have the v10 gas. Both have 300k miles and he definitely has spent a lot more money on repairs.

I have absolutely no need for a diesel however my father in law has a cummins and some ford's that are diesel and man do they sound amazing and drive amazing. My wife and I are currently renting trying to save and find the opportunity to buy a house so we were looking for a truck. Found a 98 dodge 3500 dually with a v10 and 111k miles. Superrrrr clean, 1 owner only used it to tow a camper so it was already setup with a 5th wheel. MPG isn't the best but we use it as a third car that only gets driven on the weekend if even that when we need to move stuff. I love that v10 though super smooth!

As someone who recently bought a 2011 ram 2500 with the 5.7, I don’t regret not getting the diesel. While I wanted one I couldn’t justify the price increase for my usage, and my gasser tends to out do all my coworkers diesels in a drag. The only down side is I average 9-10 mpg at 4-5000 feet above sea level.

One important thing you didn't factor in the resale of a gas vs a diesel is how much more you pay for a diesel in the beginning. In addition, one thing that I noticed in the 26 years that I drove big trucks (semi's), is that diesel always costs more than gas, and unless you can easily fuel at a truck stop, the pumps are harder to find on average. You're kind of restricted to the highway if you easily want to fuel. So, back to the cost of diesel. If you add up how much more you spend at the pump, and when you can find one, the little bit in more miles per gallon isn't a savings. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of diesels in pickups, but unless I was regularly pulling heavy loads, I'd just go with the convenience of having a gas engine. The cost of maintenance, the problems with DEF, EGR systems, injector pumps and other EPA mandates for diesels, make it sort of a rich mans toy.

I work for a EMS agency that has both diesel and gas vehicles. The diesels are definitely more responsive and have a lot better fuel economy.

diesel trucks are for your ego. unless you tow 12k-15k lbs+. long distance on a regular basis the. diesel truck doesn’t pay. it’s takes years and years to recoup that money on gas. from a business aspects the diesel doesn’t pay. diesel trucks have frequent issues. most mechanics just change parts on diesels not actually fix them. any mechanic can fix a gas motor and the gas is just way more reliable most consumers are buying new trucks and putting under 200k moles on them. a gas truck will do that no problem. who wants 12 year old truck that has 300k miles on it anyway

It's simple, I have one of each, I drive about 50/50 on the miles I put on them. The repair costs, the diesel usually costs about twice as much for repairs, this is just a fact of life and also why I got the Hemi to cut miles down on the diesel. 1 tiny example, thermostat for Hemi (OEM) $40, Thermostat (OEM) Cummins $150. My 3500 dually Ram gets about 14mpg, deleted. My Hemi 1500 gets 17 mpg. After driving 100's of thousands of miles on Cummins Rams, I will say that I love them, will always love them and they are very powerful, however they are heavy. My Hemi is much quicker, faster response to throttle input, I think this is due in part to it being less than half the weight and maybe due to the fact that I have never owned a 3/4 ton Cummins truck therefore all mine have been heavy dually haulers.

I own both. I think just but what you like. If you get a good deal and it fulfills a need, even better!

I don't tow, just needed the truck for going to the snow/camping. Hemi 2500 was in my price range, and couldn't justify the diesel. (Although I really wanted the Diesel) Really happy with my choice, the truck has been really reliable. Re-sale value doesn't really matter to me, as I already got a really good deal on the truck. Some of these diesel trucks are stupid expensive. The owners want an arm and a leg for them. lol

Hey man I got a fully deleted lifted flatbed 2020 ram 2500 I’d love to have you do a review and see what you think with the new updates to the 6.7

The difference in re-sale you displayed was very similar to the initial extra cost of the diesel engine.

I turn heads when I am parking lots with my 01 Cummins. Can’t beat the sound of them. Also just bad ass to have a Cummins.

Gawd I love your obs 7.3

I own a 916k mile 04 Ram 3500 5.9 H.O. and I absolutely love it! Was purchased with 37k original miles. I also have a 2017 Ram 3500 6.7 that’s about to hit 400k that was bought brand new. I love these diesel pickups, they’re reliable when maintained properly!

I have an ‘94 OBS 7.3 w/ 160k miles that is my pride & joy. But I had a VW Passat TDI manual transmission for work (I travel A LOT), & I put 478k miles on that thing before I had to do anything other than the usual maintenance on it. After the VW diesel buyback nonsense, I got a gas Passat. Same car all in all, except I’ve had problems w/ this thing left & right. It’s been back at the dealership w/ various BS needing to be done the last couple of years. & it’s only a couple of years old. If I could go back, I’d have never given up my old TDI. That thing was the best car I’ve ever owned.

You did miss one important factor in the gas/diesel comparison. A lot of guys buy trucks to haul things, not tow. The Ram Cummins version is about 1,000 lbs heavier than the Hemi version. So you lose a half ton of payload in that HD truck. That's not such a big deal if you're buying the 3500, with the base trim payload being nearly 7,000 lbs (Hemi) and 6,000 lbs (Cummins). But it's a much bigger impact on the 2500 where the base trim payload is around 3,000 lbs (Hemi) versus 2,000 lbs (Cummins)..

Thank you for this video I am trying to figure out gas or diesel I am looking into used just don’t know if I want a Chevy or ford any thoughts ??

Your analysis of the depreciation doesnt make sense. The diesel engine is $6,500 more. From what you showed, the gas truck is worth about $7,000 less than the diesel at any given mileage. This just shows them depreciating at almost the exact same rate.

Gas is good where I live because in -40 I can count on it starting everytime

I have friend who’s dad bought a 1996 dodge 3500 5.9 Cummins with the NV4500 brand new and used it for his hot shot business. He’s still driving that truck today with 1.4 million miles on it

When I was working construction and going to school for automotive the company caught wind of what I was going to school for and had me go to the shop and sit with an old boy and fix stuff (bitchin) the gas engines in the 350/3500s were absolute pigs in the dually dump bed configuration with the bed full and a skid loader in tow, got 4 mpg at all times could and were at the max of what the power and gearing would do for the truck. I convinced the owner that getting a few diesel trucks would be a good idea for heavy hauling stuff, he ended up buying a truck from a buddy to start, a deleted 2013 duramax with a decent tune intake and exhaust. The thing got the same mpg loaded to the max that the gassers got empty and unloaded it would get 25 mpg. To my know he only buys diesel for the “heavy haul” guys and only the mowers get gassers now

I have a 2L tdi jetta that i tow my polaris 850 with passing people on the highways at 130-140kms/hour at times. fuel economy is about 7L/100km on flat land, up hill its about 9L/100km. when not towing its 4ishl/100km and about 6L/100km going up hill. been driving this car the same way for 10 years, its tuned, has dpf delete, and a few other modifications, but nothing has ever broke aside from my rear right abs sensoring failing on me a few months ago. the motor is in perfect health and the suspension has held up very well considering where I live and the obsticals I have encounterd (and the pot holes I have hit) I have only had to replace the springs once, and the sway bar links once XD over all, diesel, even in cars, I think is 100% the way to go

Pretty much all the big fleet guys have figured out that the gas trucks are cheaper to maintain. I think it all boils down to what you can afford. I waited till I was older to switch to a diesel truck from the cheaper gas truck. But I love it and can afford to fix it now.

Something failed to mention is that when the truck breaks down due to those trippy emissions systems, and they have to pull the body off the frame to get to the engine especially on newer models, its a 10,000-15,000 dollar repair for something that may only be 2000-3000 in a gas truck.

I have owned all gas trucks and they have always worked good for me, but I don't haul anything crazy heavy, but it would be nice to have a diesel I love the sound of a Cummins diesel and love the power and torque but, I don't haul heavy loads every week, I don't haul skid steers or anything heavy like that, I haul like firewood and my mower, but I love diesel's

I manage a fleet of trucks that do hot shot hauling in Texas and N. Dakota, and I can tell you we have shifted nearly 75% of our fleet way from diesel trucks. We are mainly running F-350's with the 7.3L V8 Godzilla motor. The issue with the diesels is the long term maintenance. It is so expensive. When you factor in entry cost, maintence cost, and long term repair costs, there is no comparison between the two types of trucks. Our F-350's with the 7.3L V8 motors tow 20,000 lbs. I can also confirm they'll tow more then that when needed. We will always keep 10-15 F-450 diesels for our loads that are 20,000 lbs plus, but they are a fraction of the weight we tow. Typically, we average 15,000-17,000 lbs on our heavy loads, and 9-13,000 lbs for our medium loads. The 7.3L is running around 9.8 mpg with max towing and the diesels run around 12 mpg max towing. At $4.59 diesel here in Texas vs. $3.22 gas it is a no brain for the gas. We have about eight 7.3's now with 150,000 plus miles and I can tell you not a darn thing has been done to them other then maintenance. The previous Power STrokes were not hte case at this point. Hell, just on oil changes we have saved thousands of dollars across the board!

I agree with the majority of this. I do however feel that there is a stigma that if you’re pulling “heavy” loads that diesel is the only way to go. Honestly most modern gas trucks are incredibly capable of hauling these loads. People get it stuck I. Their heads that “I work my trucks hard so I need diesel” when in reality we’re talking pretty short trips with weight that’s not even considered that excessive. I used my 1997 Single cab short bed 2wd Chevy with the Small V-8 (305) to pull a 1972 K10 (lifted) on a car hauler from Paso Robles to Chico (7 hours) up grades, flats etc. and it made it fine. Not recommending it but just picture the size difference and it did it.

I really want a diesel but I just know that the maintenance will be insane.😞 I just don't know what I should do because I am in the market for a 2021 ram but I just can't decide between the diesel and gas. If I had the full amount of money including maintenance, fuel cost, repairs etc, then I would go with a ram 2500. But I have to be realistic, and since there is a strange thing/concept named "tax deductions", the diesel dream just seems wayyyyy too far away. Guess I'll have to settle for gas 😐

I just hope I inherit my grandfather's 1st gen dodge ram with dat 12v cummins 😅 little beat up but am absolute tank!

Thanks

I’ve owned two Tacomas and I’ve been driving a 1500 Silverado and a gas 2500 Silverado for years, but I just bought a lbz Sierra and for the foreseeable future I won’t ever buy another gasser. I tow a dump trailer up and down the cajon pass in California and struggled in the gassers to maintain the speed limit and still have sufficient power but in this duramax it’s like I’m not towing at all. The truck puts down power completely stock and I can’t wait to upgrade the engine and get a good tune.

the difference could just be the initial premium difference....so both depreciate somewhat the same, but the diesel is more because it was more new?

Thank you. I’m buying a diesel for my next truck now

Im of the camp: why not both? Of course my newest vehicle is my 96 7.3. One of my favorites is my project 57 with an IH 392