Hahaha

😆😂😂

Anyone used to watch Bangla Bangers on discovery , I think they must of hired that dude.

If China wants it, China gets it.

well said

And that's with a 'heavy' V10 engine, room for your entire family, their luggage, and a metal roof.

@@Olimorveu but you had a cheap interior and no tech.

and less safety@@22Epic

The Nissan GT-R still weighs that😮. We'd all go on about how nimble such a heavy car is back in 2009.

Every car seems to move up a segment or two in price, size and weight. The only thing that’s the same is the badge. In reality it’s not really an ‘M2’, more of a decent sized M car coupé.

I've got E39 26 yr old .😁

Weighs more than the M3 saloon. How? Why?

yea, as an M240i last gen owner, im very happy right now lol

I think it's the other way round. The beauty of the previous gen makes this look worse. Because, let's face it, the last M2 was one of the prettiest cars BMW ever produced.

Yes though e46 m3 and e50 m5 were just gorgeous. @@malean2997

😂 that’s the best comment 👍

Lego one will look better haha!

Even more so when the previous generation was pretty much perfect from every angle.

Agreed. I really dont get how they ended up with this and that probably A LOT of people at BMW agreed this thing was good looking

agree

BMW’s ongoing styling direction is a mystery. Almost every new car they’ve launched in the last few years has been absolutely hideous.

Usually a response from someone that could never afford one.

It's odd because this one looks like it has front and rear "bumpers for the american market" like they had donkeys years back for certain italian exotics so they could sell them over there. I don't think the colour helps but even so the 4 corner squares look like design for the sake of design and seem more for the designer to make his mark rather than make the car look attractive.

Each to their own - I prefer this one to the earlier versions.

Idk, b/c it’s fun to drive and it’s pretty practical?

@@fifteen8850 so was the ‘old’ good looking one

The old one doesn’t look bad. This one doesn’t even look European.

The old one was beautiful. Night and day. But I bet this thing is a blast.

You thought the old was was "nasty". Wow. Each to their own

The M2 looked ok, but the regular 2 series always reminded me of the Daewoo Nubria, and I can’t under it!

What? The old M2 was a stunner!

Theres a reason why people still flock to see the cathedrals from the middle ages in Europe, sistine chapel etc, these are timeless designs we can appreciate to be beautiful and aesthetic, people still rent these beautiful places to have weddings and such No one cares to see the blocky architecture that was such a big trend in the 1960s, in fact those buildings are an eyesore when they are next to gothic colleges and parliament buildings built with beauty of design in mind. The majority of people dont want to drive this ugly car,

Agreed, this new car, replacing a car that was comparatively light, and quite pretty - is now ridiculously heavy, and ugly to boot. BMW have lost the plot.

Agreed! My lease for my F87 is coming up next year, kind of dreading getting rid of it because there isn’t much in my price range for the performance and style that the f87 has.. I wouldn’t replace it with the G series M2

Pleased they’re stayed with combustion engine though

​@@FlyasaDiamond 100% buy out your F87 and drive the piss out of it.

Problem with the Emira is you can get a Cayman GTS for the same money. Also, can you imagine the weight of future M cars once they go hybrid? Damn…

E92 M3 is a little under 1700 kg but yeah, near enough the same.

All cars have got bigger and heavier

all new cars are heavy due to the computers and crash regs etc

A manual E92 is 1,580kg - even more to your point - close enough to 150kg lighter. It's almost closer in weight to the same era E60 M5.

because what's the point? all cars today are heavier than older cars.

It doesn't make sense really. The old M2 CS was spot on. Yet with this one, you can tell even from the video that it is a little bit soft and floaty (not like an old Cadillac of course, but just that little bit). *I think it's quite deliberate* in response to buyers of the previous M2 complaining about a rough ride. BMW seems to think that buyers don't want "bad" steering feedback either, at least that's what buyers in their focus groups tell them (there's a whole Car and Driver article about it). I think it's sad that we have to wait for the M2 CS for the engineers to be let off the "leash" and be allowed to build a car with the connection and directness that the engineers think a sportscar ought to have. I'm sure the engineers know full well what a sportscar is supposed to feel like, but unfortunately it seems to clash with a lot of feedback from (accidental?) BMW/M buyers.

New Golf R starts at £45k, new civic type r at £50k. Many manufacturers have moved to higher margin, lower volume business and are going to get eaten from the bottom up by Chinese manufacturers as EVs come online. VW have already shot themselves in the foot with quality and pricing issues with their current range of EVs.

My first thought aswell. Did not suit the car at all.

Have you seen the front? 🤯

It’s coming on all new cars thanks to the EU.

one press on a button on the steering wheel turns it off fortunately. but yh..damn annoying

Hyundais look better these days

Don't worry, the Chinese are in awe with the design - all done by a 5-year old equipped with crayons - just wonderful.

From Johann Kinsler, BMW: "While that’s difficult to address with hydraulic power steering, with EPS we can install what we call pull-drift compensation to help keep the car locked on a straight path instead of following longitudinal grooves." "One is a new calibration philosophy that allows easy adjustment of the required steering torque. This makes a major difference in the feel of the new 5-series. There would be no chance to match those results with hydraulic assist." "[Hydraulic assistance] means good information and bad information. *When we moved to EPS, we learned how to divide the good and bad messages for the customer.* " "We have two million customers around the globe who’ve purchased the 5-series during the past five years, which results in a broad spread of demands. There was a clear request for less steering effort. *No one wants bad feedback-such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.* " "So the strongest demand we heard was, ‘Please reduce the steering effort.’ They seem to want more isolation" I.e., there is deliberate programming done by BMW to interfere in the steering. This is *not* inherent to electric power steering in and of itself, you don't have to include this kind of stuff (by all means, the way an electric motor applies torque means it will somewhat dampen feedback compared to hydraulic assistance, but electric steering doesn't have to be completely terrible). I strongly disagree with Mr. Kinsler, especially "no one wants bad feedback", but you can see what BMW engineers have been tasked with achieving. Unfortunately the engineers aren't allowed to overrule the focus groups, unlike the engineers at Lotus or McLaren who are purists about their hydraulic power steering with lots of feedback (as we see the steering wheel wriggling around on Harry's test road while driving those cars!).

Having owned one since launch, I would agree. Effortless cruising, plenty of power when road conditions permit and personally speaking, the styling works. Especially in Thundernight 😁👍🏻

@@leccybadger I'd imagine more comfortable but not lacking in grip and if you wanted a bit more punch to match a M2, just needs plugging into a computer!

@@ScottZ370 as with all 4wd, you can occasionally feel the front pushing wide, never feels that the car is heading for a ditch 😬. For my needs, the power is enough. It isn't a track weapon, more a mini GT in some ways, and that is not to say the experience is underwhelming. I see it as more 'grown up' than the previous generation and fortunately, it has a cowl for the dials, not this hideous wrap around screen!

Totally agree. Get a low milage one from an independent dealer or private. Most BMW dealers are shocking. I have a Stage 2 M140i with M4 LCA and Remus exhaust. I'd keep up with a new M2 any day of the week.

In addition: what's the manual gearbox about when it auto-blips on the downshift? I'm okay with cars having good automatic or DCT gearboxes, but for all the knights of the manual transmission this is kind of against the point of using one.

​@@6rimR3ap3ryou can disable that in the menu's

​@@6rimR3ap3ra lot of cars are impossible to heel and toe because of pedal arrangement.

It actually stands for Marketing.

​@@6rimR3ap3r You can disable that.

Ahh yes - the Gary boy mods of yester-year.

😂 like the thinking!

@@hassyg4083 It could be that BMW are deliberately gaming the WLTP system, where heavier cars are allowed a higher CO2/km. So BMW declare an unrealistically high DIN weight to allow for a more generous CO2/km allowance for the car.

the baby blue is not a good look imho. in black it looks better because the lumps are hidden. Just like on an obese person.

Yep, that dash looks like NASA. To me, such complexity detracts from what that car should be about…… driving

@@TeaVR when I tested car i didn’t have long to play about but found it quite difficult to change settings ( which could be just me)

ID8 I can get used to, although still not as user-friendly as previous versions. Hold on to your F87. Looks better, is lighter, has roomier back seat, and drives just as well on country lanes.

I’m not a fan of these TV style dashboards. Feels to me that the old guard have hired techy kids, not petrol heads to help them bring their interior to the next level. If I wanted a TV however, I’d have gone to Curry’s. Give me a dash, with some nicely integrated tech, don’t make it a main feature. And let the car do the talking. As for the exterior look…

@@hovnojede010101keep it for the back seat alone. I could fit 2 full grown adult males in my back seat with a weeks worth of groceries in the trunk. Where did all the space go?? And more importantly, why buy this over the more dynamic Supra if it has similar ergonomics?

The G87 makes you think deeply about its pros and cons after you drive it. The F87 makes you FEEL alive!

A lot BMW M customers seem to only care about going fast in a straight line (and getting the back end out every now and then). I guess this suits them just fine, unfortunately, and customers who want a precise car are in the minority. I recall Jason Plato testing the G82 M4 on Fifth Gear and not liking that he could not tell what the front end was doing at all through the steering ("just need to guess how much front grip there is"), but the M cars don't seem to be designed for people who care about that sort of thing anymore. 🙁

Thoughts and prayers 🙏

God willing Carly / Bimmercode will come to the rescue there.

@@brogenville I would still take an F87 😉

@@jamsxr 💯 %

Every new car in the EU from now on! Beep beep! 😢

Can you hack it to stop that crap?

heavier than an e92 m3

Dictated by the Chinese market, I'm afraid.

its ugly

​@@EdgyNumber1lol how

@@MrZane-bl8qm Over 30% of all new BMWs are bought by the chinese. To put that into perspective they are followed by the US with 15%.

I would prefer this new m2 over G80 and G82 because of hideous front end on them😢

Blame the EU !

Hardly a fair comparison. My youngest son just got his Ferrari and now hates the 911 he had before.

And a good E92 M3 Competition (manual)😊

Car wow have just done it,go find their videos

And the target market - i.e. China.

I'm struck by the irony. Hyundai develops it's N series inspired by BMW M cars - BMW mimics Hyundai colour - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Whilst the light blue isn't my favourite colour - I'm so glad the press car is not painted using the monotonous and boring 'German rainbow' colour palette of white, silver, grey or black - with the grey hue offered in 150 shades. It's like looking at 'life' through black-white photography.

@@georgebettiol8338 agree with you on that, I do like a decent colour I was just being a bit tongue in cheek about it matching Hyundai N. It baffles me that so many people are currently paying extra to have their cars delivered with just the matt grey primer. Not sure how that's become a fashion, it looks awful.

There seems to be a lot of group think in colours! So many grey colours for example. I guess it depends on what the paint companies are offering at the time (e.g., Lamborghini Murcielago and Ford Focus ST were offered in the same shade of PPG orange). BMW recently had an optional Misano Blue colour which is very similar to the Alfa Romeo blue pearl colour which is also called Misano Blue (I guess it comes from the same paint company and is exactly the same colour). I wish BMW M would just stick with their classic colours like Estoril Blue!

Unless you drive at 9 or 10/10ths the m240i is a Much better value and won’t drive differently enough on public roads to matter. Straight line speed is identical for all practical intents and purposes. They’re both numb on steering feel so no advantage there either. F87 owner here. Unless you plan to track it save the cash.

@@ScottsGuitarah come on. The 240i is just boring. I’m every aspect. Sorry. Had it as a rental when my F87 was in inspection. That’s a car you forget the next day. I didn’t drive the G87 yet, but had the G82. And it’s way better. Even though I like the F series more.

Most BMW’s are predictable, that’s why I chose a “ left” field car, The Jaguar F Type 😉

@@Beamer_i4_M50 I just meant as a value proposition. You get more for your money with the m240i. But the F series is better and cheaper than the new m240i or m2 imo. Solution just buy an f87 lol. There’s no way they add all that weight and it drives better, M car or not. I’d happily take the unobstructed (non particulate filter) n55 exhaust note over the new one too. Man that car can growl in a car park 😂

Audis look great though

@@oleg274 Eh, Nooo!!! Audi started the downward trend with their guppy fish grill and sharp edges everywhere

I don't get it, we can vote for people who see government as the enemy and want to shrink it and fire the federal employees. I always vote for these people but they never win elections. The type to put warning bells on cars also give out goodies to parasites and that is why we will certainly have cars that limit everything in the future.

lol since when did "more desirable" equal "cheaper"? Its gonna make it more expensive, especially since its not being made anymore