Good to hear.. I am planning to get the 23 ORP. Did you opt for KDSS and why!

Ya, because they use the excuse of low stock. They still blame covid for everything too.

I tried shopping for a 2023 TRD Pro earlier this year. The dealer had the same car in this video en route to the dealership. Market price had it around $60k which is where the market on this car is. When they handed me the deal sheet, they had a market adjustment price of $20 thousand. They wanted $80 thousand for the 4Runner. Literally got up and walked out

Plenty of used 4Runners sitting on lots. They still go for a high price, but a lot less than what you are quoting.

These are terribly overpriced. Also the horrible mpg makes it the most expensive vehicle to own. What a bunch of lemmings

@@themagician7734Have you seen what the FJ Cruisers are going for? Insane. So, not surprising dealers are jacking up to hell on the 4R before the LC hits the lots. The new LC probably will rob the 4R customer base and the 4R will be discontinued. To become the next FJ collectible.

More like the oldest “new” vehicle for sale in America

Did you need new suspension due to leaks,etc or wanted an upgrade?

@@TobyCostaRica The Fox shocks, like all performance shocks (Icons, Kings), need to be rebuilt at 50K miles, otherwise it'll ride really harshly. I didn't have any leaking issues or anything but I do quite a bit of offroading so it was time. I bought another set and sent the old ones on the vehicle to Fox for rebuild. It takes 3-4 weeks to rebuild the shocks and I didn't want to not have my car while it's being done, so now I have 2 sets for whenever I need to get the shocks rebuilt. I haven't gone anywhere that the TRD Pro can't go yet so I don't have the need to upgrade suspensions as of now.

@@whocaresjustdoit thanks, I was curious as the OEM spec Fox shocks are protected vs exposed shafts aftermarket. That design (and prior ownership of aftermarket shocks) makes we want to go OEM on my next 4x4.

@@TobyCostaRica yeah I’m with you on that. I’m on the boat of trusting the engineering Toyota puts into the TRD Pro. I’ve owned aftermarket shocks too and they always break down at one point or another. Haven’t had a single problem with the TRD Pro Fox 2.5 despite frequently heavy off-roading.

@@whocaresjustdoit yeah at this point I’m done with uniballs, helms and poly bushings. Oem specs rubber bushings and sealed ball joints for good reason. The only thing I’d do is a TRD lift kit if going higher.

I hate to sound like a fanatic, but owning a 4R TRD OR has been the best decision I have made. And I have only put on rock sliders. Everything(including tires)is stock. And it is a tank!

There are a lot of rumors about it. Some fear. Some hope. I made my choice back in 2018 and I cannot see me ever trading up. No matter what comes next. Yes, it would be great to have some things I did not get, but I knew what I was getting into. I accepted this jack of all trades for what it is. Could it use another gear or 2, yes. Could it use a front camera, yes. (new ones have it)And there are other little nuances people talk about that I knew about before my purchase. But it has been 5 years now, and no complaints from me. And still Toyota has not recreated the 4R. Could it go away like the FJ Cruiser? Maybe. The new Land Cruiser could slide in and take the business. But I would not pick the new LC over what I have.

Seriously. Every once in a while when I'm searching for an answer to something in the 4Runner groups, I'll come across a post from like 2018 talking about the rumored "new" 4R coming out the next year.

@@WW-wf8tu There is NO way the 4Runner will be discontinued. It is the cash cow 4X4 in Toyota's biggest market. The debut of the new GX and Land Cruiser have only whetted the appetite for the possibilities of what the next 4Runner will be.

@@rightlanehog3151The new Land Cruiser is honestly a sales flop if the new 4Runner ends up being good.

@@faheemabbas3965 A sales flop compared to the 2,000 -3,000 Land Cruisers they used to sell per year?

I have a 1014 Trail as well. Only 145K. With a 3" lift and 33" Baja Boss tires, it rocks. I've parked right next to a 2023 and it's hard to tell the difference.

So crawl control only works when you're traveling directly straight ahead?

@@trailrunnah8886 Crawl control works to build contact surface. If you watch the Toyota demo video of the Tacoma stuck in sand, you’ll see the system inching the sand to build up traction as it digs out. By turning the steering wheel back and forth, this can’t happen. Your literally digging a hole by doing that. I’m not a Toyota engineer, LOL, but that’s the best way I can explain it.

@@WesterntrailbossIn sand, the tires are filling the hole back up as they slowly turn, stop and turn. Turning the wheel side to side negates this action as it is creating more ditch to fill in. Whether or not in the soil shown here the functionality of CC would be duplicated like it was in the example you mentioned, remains to be seen. As most people don't have the patience to let the system work. I have personally duplicated the example you mentioned in my 4R, in sand. Confident that it would in fact dig me out, I did not have anyone around, no winches, no aids of any kind when I ran my test. I spun all 4 tires(4WD Hi)until the vehicle was resting on the frame. There is no more stuck than that. Flipped on CC and let it do its thing. In less than 5 minutes(if memory serves)it crawled itself out. I primarily did this test(and filmed it)to debunk those that said you could only do this maneuver going in reverse. I did it going forward. Ryan did a great job here testing out the abilities of all the traction devices, except this 1 example. And I cannot fault him for it, as he does not have a generous amount of time to sit and wait indefinitely to see if it would go up that incline in that soft soil. I am not sure if CC would do it under that condition. But I would love to give it a try. 1 thing is certain, gravity would be on your side going backwards if it did not work going up the hill. Hole or not. Mercedes had a gimmick on some SUV model(s) of the vehicle bouncing up and down in the sand. Thus causing the sand to fill back in the hole. lol Was interesting. I like the CC better tho.

I agree; he is not letting the system work properly, even without crawl control, it is not the best technique.

Looks like he was using the technique that works with the range, rover defender, but you are correct that this is not how Toyota programmed it. He should’ve just kept the steering wheel straight and allowed it to do it’s thing.

Cool story 😂

Even on stock size I think those Nittos on the weaker side and not much from all season tires. I've tried stock size GY Wrangler Duratrac and I experience a huge difference in grip. Now running Toyo OC 285/70R17 on stock suspension, haven't had a chance to test offroad yet. I believe 285's would help to float over due to more area with same psi vs stock 265s. Not sure unless I live next to Ryan and test TRD Pro stock tires vs my stock TRD Pro except for 285s 😃

Well that’s simply not true. 😂

Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you feel comfortable.

Tires are everything as is air pressure.

You'll like our upcoming ZR2 review. We ignore all the modes. Lol.

@@drivingsports Looking forward to it! I'm patiently waiting for my zr2 order to be accepted.

a lot of companies wont let you test drive their high end stuff unless they believe youre actually going to purchase it, to avoid putting milage on it. for the ford raptors, they wont even let you inside the car unless you have a down payment ready.

@@mileshawkins6225 we were there about to trade in our Lexus. They had almost nothing on their lot either.

@@Podcastforthewin ah sorry bout that. Dealerships are scummy man. They treat you like ass, then spam your email with satisfaction surveys 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yup same thing happened to me. I bought my trd pro from another dealer who let me and got it for only a 3k markup.

It depends on the shoot, but we also use the Canon C70, R3 and R5. GH5MkII only used for vehicle interior shot.

We don't pay mark ups in Ohio👍.

Newer the tires are more money you can get when you sell them so you can put towards your new set of tires. I normally sell all 5 tires and get new 5 tires of my choice.

When I got my 4R Trd off-road back in 2018 I was going through the same thing. I wanted to use the stock road tires until they went bad but I couldn’t wait. After 1 month, I ended up selling them on marketplace and then using that money towards some ko2s. 65,000 miles later I still have those same ko2s!

@@itr0863how bad is the mpg?

We have a 2014 4Runner Trail. It is equivalent to a TRD Off-Road, locker, crawl control, etc. It now has a 3" OME suspension lift and 285/70/17 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T's. I'm sure it would have no major issues on this course. I would air down to 18-20 psi on the steepest part. Technology can only do so much. Some momentum ground clearance and better tires will win almost every time.

@billricheter5678 not great. Hwy around 16.5-17.5

I just wonder what will happen when all of the good old reliable cars fade away to time…

And yet here you are watching a 4runner review. FYI, Consumer Reports, 2023 Toyota 4Runner most reliable vehicle. Far Better?.......um, not really tho, No. Just way more overpric.....expensive.

The Baja Boss is available in either an A/T or a M/T. I have the 285/70/17 A/T's on my 4Runner. They have wider M/T style tread on the edges and A/T in the middle. They do work well off-road and aren't too loud on road.

@@kurtburkhardt5862 Right. But the ones we ran on his course are ATs.

The more complex the least reliable. That’s why 4 runners have done so well. No change in 20 years

Nope. They won’t. Welcome to the planned obsolescence era of Toyota. Keep your old car. They want more money now.

May still be similar to what it did prior. Any more difficult of the road, you’ll be watching TFL videos. Subaru owners don’t like them but the point of their video is just to see how they far they can push it and some videos show how good Subarus are compared to off road focus vehicles

Weird, right? New one will probably fix that.

@@drivingsports Just fix the old one and remove it 😂

The Tacoma, upcoming Land Cruiser and Gx don’t have front lockers so…don’t expect it really Front swaybar disconnect likely yes

Really? Nothing but msrp in my area but they are a little harder to find . Don’t be afraid to drive out of state to look.

There are markups at a lot of dealers around us too. What we did to find it at MSRP was build it out on the Toyota website then we sent it out to every dealer with 75 miles of us. It was a long day of answering the phone calls but we found a local dealer selling at MSRP.

Not even close to that where I live!! Yes, there are Dealer add-ons - $2k to $3K above MSRP is normal

Make calls to Colorado dealerships where Toyota sends ALOT of 4 Runners and see who has a decent inventory. I bought mine at Mountain States in Denver. No markups and less than MSRP

What percentage under msrp if you don’t mind me asking? Looking at one at the same place. CO resident

4Runner is not at all like the Tacoma seating position.

in the first attemp*

It's going to take a couple weeks in edit.

Didn't. Not enough time in the day to try everything.

@@drivingsports That's the cool part about the swiss army knife of SUV's. You get a lot of choices of how you want to tackle the job.(time permitting)😆

It’s near Ellensburg. I’ll bring my Ranger Tremor from Spokane too!

@@rustlesee Sounds like fun. I’m off work Sunday’s and Monday’s. Let me know when you want to go? I’ve got a buddy that just bought a 2023 tundra and I’m sure he would enjoy this location too

Well it’s on private land, so yo better contact the owner (Ryan) before crashing the party.

I’m guessing if he sees this comment he might be on board, it would be great content, but you might have to sign a waiver so he’s not responsible if there’s any damage to your vehicles.

@@stevepatch1809 I think Ryan did have a local on one of the recent videos. Think it would only make sense if he could get some content out of it, and make something that hasn’t yet been seen.

If the ice is slick enough and the tires bad enough it might feel like the brakes are locked.