As mentioned, here is the full test: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptacls9pzNrQdWw.html

22lr will surprise you. People don't respect it the way it should be respected.

I’m a firm believer in the cci velocitor. High velocity, nice hollow point, and, it’s a a full 40 grain.

Nicely edited, no wasted time between shots and some accurate shooting. Impressed with your set up

Hell yeah. As always, this is gonna be another great vid by Sam. No bullshit. Data, facts, and legit testing.

Very interesting how the revolver's performance with the PUNCH in the revolver did so well against a rifle. I have PUNCH in .380 & several boxes of 9mm but, I've never seen PUNCH in .22lr. I will definitely try too find some of that. I enjoyed the format & content of this review, very cool Sam!

I have been waiting for you to do this one .. This is good .. For a number of years i have carried the CCI Stinger from around the mid 70's i remember .. The past 12-14 years i have switched over to CCI Velocitor which produces a much tighter group and my POI doesn't change by 2" like the Stingers do .. Water jugs , wet pulp bundles , baffle board box .. The Velocitor is ahead of the game .. Self protection Yes why would a person not carry a round like that ? The Federal Punch i still cannot find anywhere so far but i will beyond any doubt buy a few boxes of it when i find it , to me and with 56 years of shooting sports /hunting / personal carry with mainly the .357 mag as my choice for personal carry the Federal Punch could very well be a better option to carry ..As always a good video of valuable information ..well done ..

Thank you Sam. I'm eager to pick up some Federal Punch ammo. Very impressive demo.

Nice shooting room. Everyone who enjoys shooting has to have at least 1 22. Just plain fun! 😁👍

So far, the Federal Punch has been a winner. It's a round that I would buy and carry with confidence. Great job as always!

Its always nice to have options for when a chunky desperado confronts you with larcenous intent. Thanks for the cool tests.

I used a similar Springfield 22 singleshot back in the ‘60s in northern PA. It was a family gun that I carried everywhere croaking groundhogs.

Wow these are exactly the two rounds I’ve been wanting to see compared

Good shooting out there! Your testing is good stuff and I appreciate unbiased opinions.

Nice to see you take a few steps back to shoot the 22's vs. the stout calibers. Very well done vid...

Punch looks to have outdone Stingers in consistent velocity from round to round, actually getting published velocity (or better), functioning consistently between a rifle and a pistol. 3gr less mass is rather insignificant, but it seems the bullet shape and powder Federal is using here is much more worthwhile than CCI Stinger when it comes to penetrating, getting consistent velocity.

My sister bought a Ruger SR22. I told her I will send her my minimags. They should be good for self defence.

The Velocitor is the one you want. Vipers are good too.

My number one characteristic is that the round feeds, fires and ejects perfectly EACH AND EVERY time. Since l use semi autos that's the critical issue.

I like the 22 Velocitors.

Interesting. The Punch looks like a good design. I would put in a good word for the CCI Mini Mag HP's as well. They generally have decent expansion and more penetration than the Stinger. They are my preferred load for ground squirrel population control

Want to see the Punch and Velocitor from the tiny Italian now!

Would have loved to see these “latest and greatest” 22’s out of the Beretta Bobcat, velocity, function, penetration, expansion, etc…

I was particularly disappointed in the Stingers in Lucky Gunner's tests. It'd be interesting to see how the Punch does in your new Beretta in gel with just the denim.

One thing that has bothered me about Federal .22 rounds that I use in both my revolver and my pistols is that although the ammunition seems to work fine at the range, the crimp is often loose on the bullet. Remington Golden Bullets are notorious for this with the bullet often able to turn 360 degrees in its casing. I believe that is related to how often those rounds fail to fire, even with a good pin strike. But with various brands of Federal ammunition, I often see loose bullets that can wiggle back and forth a little bit in their casings when gently twisted. For me, that rules those Federal rounds out as a reliable self defense round since they are obviously not sealed enough to keep out water or moisture when used for pocket-carry. | For example, in my most reliable Federal Auto Match, I find about one in three bullets will move just a little because of a loose crimp. But it is similar with their other brands. With the Remington Golden bullets, it's just about all of them that are loose. With the CCI Mini-Mags, it's none of them. I load my handguns with Mini-Mags unless I'm just target shooting. So with this Punch looking so promising for use in a revolver, the question is, "Have you looked at how snug their bullets are in those Punch casings?". If so, what did you find? I might want to try some if they are tight. Thanks!

Just bought that roughrider few weeks ago. Very cool pistol! Fits holster for ruger single six perfect! From Galco. Actualy fits more perfect than the ruger. Like its made for the heritage roughrider.

I understand that comparing high quality .22s is often just a matter of splitting hairs, but I'm still a fan of the 36gr Mini-Mag plated hollow point. They consistently penetrate 11 inches in other tests and sometimes expand a little in a handgun, about to a wadcutter.

I recently bought some of this stuff, I have seen nothing but terrific reviews on it.

Great review. Loved them both. My vote goes for the punch

I've used CCI Stinger for years and never had a bad experience. Never used it for defense, but for woodchucks.

I was thoroughly impressed when I shot some punch last weekend. Such a gorgeous round.

Great test ! I’ve been using Federal Punch for 2 years with good results ! Great round !

I first used the Stinger a year after it came out. Back in the mid 70's I've camped in the Black Hills with friends while stationed at Ellsworth AFB. I had a Winchester 190 that I often brought along for extra meat at times, usually rabbit. Once, on a riverbank, I tested the Stinger against the MiniMag. I shot twice into the packed mud there, almost clayish. First was the MiniMag. That round put a 2" diameter hole deep into the mud. Then came the Stinger. That round only went about 2" into the mud, but that was around 6" in diameter. That clay-like mud flew everywhere getting mud on me, my rifle, a friend that was with me and also my rifle. I understand how the ballistics gel is used to simulate flesh but that mud gave me a lasting impression of the Stinger's potential. My point with the packed mud was that I thought the moisture content in the mud helped to mimic the effects of the Stinger on flesh w/blood a touch more than with the gel, IMO. I no longer own the 190 but I do have a Ruger 10/22 and it's available as one of our home defense arms. It's been my opinion that getting hit with the Stinger would be most likely be non-lethal but the wound would cause such excruciating pain that it would stop an assailant/intruder in their tracks. For that reason I trained my wife to go for the Ruder first, if possible. No kids so there is a round in the chamber but on safe. She learned well to simply push the safety and pull the trigger. Her training mantra is, "Push, pull, pull, pull and keep pulling until he's down and writhing." Back to the ballistics gel for a moment. I think it has it's merits but I believe that mud, with it's moisture like flesh, gave me more information than the gel in a home defense situation. As a side note, back in South Dakota, we often went shining rabbit outside the Bad Lands. Once we stopped where there was a doe on the side of the road. From the backseat I got out and rested the 190 across the roof of the car, steadied and took three shots, head shots. No rabbit that night but we all shared in the venison.

The CCI Velocitors might work similarly to the Federal Punch. It is a hollow point with a flatter nose designed for small game. It weighs in at 40 grains and a listed velocity of 1435 feet per second in a rifle. Also 22 long rifle rounds do tend to produce their highest velocity in 18 1/2 inch barrels. At this barrel length the powder charge is fully consumed and as barrel length increases beyond this pressure drops and the bullet begins to decelerate which would explain why your velocity with the stingers came up short.

My ex-wife was "limited" to .22 pistols as, due to a car crash her shooting forearm was held together by a plate and screws. But she was DARN accurate with her Beretta 21, PPK/s, or my Walther P22. Back then, we loaded hers with CCI Mini-Mag solids as that is what fed most reliably and I don't think we ever had a FTF. Anyway, I don't tote a .22 much anymore BUT, I DO have several .22s so I think I need to find me a supply of this Punch ammo and lay in a stock of it for when I ever do! With that kind of performance, it might even be a better general purpose woods gun for around here than any other .22 loading (feral dogs, wild pigs, and the occasional two-legged snake ;) ) but all in a package that is easy to tote and serves well for the usual targets of small game and venomous snakes (the no-legged kind). Excellent work and very informative as always. Thanks!!!

Great analysis, best channel for any ammo related content. Great job!

I mostly use Rem Golden Bullets & Vipers for small game . For defense I would use CCI Velocitor , 40 gr mini mag solids or Rem Vipers . . The punch did well !! Also shot shells & brick Winchester for vermin in a trap >> Rats ! From Rifle or Handgun .

Thanks. I have several people asking me about a .22LR for self-defense and I'll refer them to this video.

Thanks GS. Great job. Good info.

Excellent - and appreciated revolver vs rifle tests. I'm sold on the .22l Punch!

awesome video Sam. Thanks for doing things that I can't!!!

For shooters who carry a .22 for CCW, can you do that test using a self-defense size handgun? Something like a Bobcat, LCP .22, etc? Thanks!

My only concern is over penetration by the Federal Punch. If you're having to repel an attack in your home and you happen to live in a condo or an apartment situation my concern is that the Federal Punch would easily penetrate walls and possibly do damage in adjacent apartments. Stingers will keep the damage "local". Remember too that shot placement is as crucial as number of shots hitting the target.

id LOVE to see the Punch Vs. the Velocitor

Thank you for another informative test. I'm really impressed with your performance of the federal punch. Going to get some.

The best 22lr round for defense is the CCi velocitor IMO. Neither the punch nor the stinger are really as good as the velocitor since while fast, they are also very light. Velocity is important, but without enough mass, it loses that velocity way too quickly. The Velocitor is full weight 40 grain, one of the fastest in its weight class, and made by CCi which has better reliability compared to other similar loadings like the Aquila interceptor. (Or whatever their full power 40 grain loading is called.) If you want to test the Velocitors and can't find any, I can send you a box. Let me know.

Stingers all day

I used to use stingers in my ruger sr22 years ago but I will have to try the punch if I can find it your old rifle reminds me of my old wards western field rifle single shot bolt action with peep sights cool video

So 8 months ago , just Watched Toolsandtargets test Punch and Auto Match. Jelly test. The Auto Match beat the Punch. That has never happened. Thanks GS

When I bought my Ruger 22lr LCR10 months ago, my gun shop guy recommended the Federal Punch, and it did not disappoint. I carry 8 rounds of the Punch when I have the LCR on my belt. It’s also easy to carry extra rounds of this size without it being too obtrusive. It’s therefore economical to shoot for both practice and self defense.

.22 LR and 12 gauge are all a Man needs to survive The Apocalypse .

I have shot hundreds of ground squirrels in California since the 1960s through 2010 Both as a youth and as a Father teaching my Kids to hunt when they were young. Marlin 39A , Ruger bull barrel and the S&W K-22. Until CCI came out with the Stinger often they would escape into their holes. As soon as I began to use the Stinger- none escaped anymore. California still offers 10 cents per tail for each of these, which pays for all the ammo plus lunch on those hunts. The hours and years I’ve spent shooting these have given not only me but Uncles kids and friends hours of enjoyment and practically teaches hunting skills for big game. Other ammo became available but I had bought thousands of them on sales and never saw any reason to replace them. Also I have taken foxes, coyotes , crows, bobcats ,rats ,rabbits , raccoons with the same. Thank you. Mike

I got that rifle for christmas a long time ago , love that old gun .

I like the mdf twist. There are so many simple gel tests to watch, that any addition of other materials that mimic bone or other hard substances, is nice to see. I disagree though, that the stinger is bad out of the rifle. I think the penetration with the over .41" expansion is excellent.

Always thought it was crazy that 22lr hollow points are more deadly from a handgun than a rifle... because when fired from a rifle they expand from velocity, but don't penetrate nearly enough... but when fired from a handgun they don't expand at all (usually), so they penetrate much deeper (usually 12" or more). Ever since hearing about that a few years ago (and seeing it happen in tests many time), it really started to bother me that most of the good, hotter 22lr ammo (like one's for self defense) are hollow point. When it comes to 22lr, the only thing you have is penetration, so why would they make them expand and not penetrate deep enough? (A good example is CCI Stingers. When fired from a rifle they suck).

Ought to compare the Punch with CCI Velociter out of a Ruger1022.

The stinger bullet is designed for those high velocities, so will not expand from a pistol. The Federal Punch is designed to give you higher velocity from a pistol and the bullet is designed to expand at lower velocities.

Punch sounds lots stronger also.! Great intel TY

First time seeing your videos here. I like the test and your interpretation of the results. I subscribed and will be watching more.

If anyone was going to think about .22LR for defense, I think you'd have to go either Velocitor, or the hyper (? I think they're called) Aguilas. I can't see any less than 40gr at super high speeds (for 22s).

actually if your looking for penetration out of a 22 lr round use the cci velocitor

.22LR might not be much but in the right hands...... looking at you 22plinkster LMAO.

Looking good greening up there!

Great video Sam. I almost purchased a Barkeep revolver, but passed it. It's an impressive revolver and with these rounds in the cylinders makes it a contender. Excellent shooting!!!🎩♠️☯️

Some of the best expansion I’ve ever seen from a 22 lr fired from a handgun was with Remington Yellow jackets.

Federal .22LR Punch was $20)box at a gun show this weekend. MidwayUSA currently has it for $11.99/box.

Love the 22 videos. I have the ruger wrangler 4.62" barrel and a old h&r with a 7" barrel , also a marlin model 60 and a henry 22 . I shoot 22s a lot so thanks for the info.

I have carried and used both ..... federal punch works really well... pops almost as loud as a 9mm... wear your ear pro.... glock 44 with federal punch... I have not had any issues....

CCI 22LR 40 grain mini mags are my choice in a semiautomatic rifle or pistol

Thanks for the video, I haven't seen any of the Punch yet around here. I think it changes the validity of the little "Summer" guns like NAA.

I've been a big fan of 22lr semi auto pistols and currently have five a simple test for me when I purchase one is the ability to fire a multitude of different types of ammo I always start with the bulk ammo and if it causes alot of problems that pistol is on the chopping block some of the best name guns will only fire high velocity expensive ammunition out of my collection now I was most impressed with the taurus tx22 it a true striker fire 22 and it has a high capacity magazines I fired and entire box of federal bulk and had only two failures to fire no jams at all and other ammo that I had that never futioned properly out of any of my guns worked flawlessly in the tx22 I often use it supressed with sub sonics of different king and had very few problems plus it cycles perfectly next to that the ruger sr22 was my number 1 and when companies made mag extensions that perform perfectly it would be and excellent carry gun with a high velocity round I've always used cci products because of there quality but my next purchase will be federal punch I've never tried before and some cci and do a little comparison of my own thank you for your very unbiased opinion and very professional demonstration

Both owned by the same company . Nice old rifle . Thx for sharing

CCI Velocitor is 40 grain, I wonder. . . ;)

Punch vs. Velociter, would be a good comparison. Another good video!👍

Good shooting at 25 yards Sam. There is something satisfying about pinging a target with a .22.

I can tell you with center fire ammo like 9mm or 556 l am a huge Federal fan and prefer it over other ammo but in 22LR unless this new Federal 22LR punch changes my mind I'll be sticking with CCI 40 grain mini mags in my semiautomatic 22LR

No BS, good data, nice video!

This is science! the Punch is out there on some shelves and online as of 5/23/22. Have seen a Sportsmans Warehouse. It's a snappy little round. would like to try it small game hunting.

Great review, well presented; thanks for posting!

I just added several boxes of this stuff to my collection. I’m thinking about switching my edc to .22 m&p compact as I’m not convinced my .45 in the summer time is adequately concealable.

The Punch did pretty good. Wonder how they would do out of the Bobcat?

Awesome video! I only recently saw the federals and was really curious.

I have 2 22Lr pistols GSG 1911 and Ruger Mark III love them both loaded the GSG with 15 rounds federal Punch it's in my center counsel of my suburban. Also have 2 22lr rifles a custom Ruger 1022 and Marlin both great guns and fun to shoot!

NEVER HEARD OF federal punch ,but going to try it.

I'm glad I watched this. I have stingers I'm my mags. I might trade them for punch.

...that rifle looks like the one my dad kept in the basement - by the cellar door for getting rid of the feral cats in the neighborhood - back in Fort Lee, NJ ca 1953 - 1961

Great small game round for shorter barrels, but absolutely NOT for self defense.

Recently bought the punch. But haven't fired them yet. I was a stinger fanatic. My go to round. After video still gonna love the stinger as always. But WOWWW on the punch. Gonna by more now.

Velocitors.

Let’s see that new Bobcat in action. FYI the new theme song is 👍🏼

Bought 3 boxes of the punch for my Glock 44, 22lr semi- auto; not a single misfire or stovepipe. Will definitely keep a loaded mag in the house

Perfect , that’s why I didn’t stop when people tell me .22 lr is not good for self defense , it’s still a good choice in my book Only downside is the cost , but heck all “self defense “ ammo just cost more and you get less

Do you ammo shop locally at your big box stores or do you get all your ammo online? Are you seeing shortages still up your way?

You've got to find Aquila sss .22lr 60gr. Sniper subsonic. I think that might be the best self defense .22 out there, given it works in your gun. That tumbles and makes acceptable wounds for a .22lr. great video.

I remember learning to shoot at summer camp with that same rifle.

The stinger is a small game hunting round. Designed for high expansion in a short distance (shallow body). Exactly what you saw. Its not surprising if there is some internet consensus, based on googling muzzle energy, that is completely wrong about its appropriateness for self defense.

Aguila makes a version of supermaximum in a flat nose solid that should have literally identical performance to the Federal Punch, but for about 30% less money.

Stingers are great for self defense they make 22 lr reach 22 mag levels

I agree Punch wins, good video, thank you ! .

Nice work. Thanks Sam.