2G-ACM - FAL Vs AK74 - Intro & Offhand @ 125 Yards

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2G-ACM - FAL Vs AK74 - Intro & Offhand @ 125 Yards

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Күн бұрын

We pit the AKM versus the G3, and now in this 2G-ACM series we're pitting the AK-74 against the venerable FAL.
The simplicity of this stage is the devil in the details: 125 yards offhand, prone, and weak side offhand only with a 60 second par time.
How will these two old warhorses stack up?
308 vs 5.45?
Watch and find out!
/ inrangetv

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@pterodactylhunter9275 8 жыл бұрын

Ian has the right shirt but I think he was having issues because he is lacking the turquoise camo and shorts required to operate a FAL as it was intended.

@MrGunman11 8 жыл бұрын

And if his FAL was painted in baby poop camo lol.

@asphaltmemories4597 6 жыл бұрын

Tight shorts, tight groupings.

@Treblaine 6 жыл бұрын

it was a time when the long guns were long and the shorts were... short.

@jediknight1294 2 жыл бұрын

Tight shorts and brush strokes

@sethp5876 7 жыл бұрын

Ian should know better... Tight shorts tighter groupings

@FomaAlkenov 6 жыл бұрын

sturmgewehrr lol

@ironwoodnf 4 жыл бұрын

B A L L S W E A T

@ShawarmaFarmer 8 жыл бұрын

AK-74M vs Lee Enfield (for initial Afghanistan invasion comparison)

@__BERSERKER__ 7 жыл бұрын

both shooters should use both guns.

@genericpersonx333 7 жыл бұрын

I know where you are coming from but we got to be fair. It would improve the quality of assessments, but this is an actual competition and while Karl runs it, he has to satisfy the competitors first. They are paying good money to be there unlike most of us who are watching this for free (hats off to Patreon supporters!). Adding two extra runs per stage when you already are waiting an hour or more between stages would be rather unkind, especially in the Arizona heat.

@__BERSERKER__ 7 жыл бұрын

@genericpersonx333 7 жыл бұрын

What would be a great way for us to get to see both of them using the guns is for Ian and Karl to arrange an obstacle course for themselves, a private testing site (edited cuz bleeping auto-correct) where they could really show off the guns, running against the clock and so on on their own terms. Maybe with time, they can afford to set one up. Fingers crossed.

@MrGunman11 8 жыл бұрын

Really loving these 2G ACM with old school guns.

@simonni4483 8 жыл бұрын

Ian is a Rhodesian operator

@user-yj8vj3sq6j 8 жыл бұрын

he lack shorts, for that part

@charlesinglin 8 жыл бұрын

The Fereday and Sons chest rig is nice touch.

@ironwoodnf 4 жыл бұрын

so did the Rhodesians after they found out they pasty legs gave away there position.

@Uncle_Spam 8 жыл бұрын

Ian should wear some short-shorts whenever he wears that shirt just because Rhodesia.

@Uncle_Spam 7 жыл бұрын

I would agree, and I never thought if it looking like baby poo until you said that. It is eerily accurate.

@annekedebruyn7797 5 жыл бұрын

FAL looks cooler so it wins.

@zapruderpedro 8 жыл бұрын

Ian's shirt

@kylesenior 8 жыл бұрын

He's spent too long on /k/.

@InrangeTv 8 жыл бұрын

Being aware of /k is too much exposure to /k. ~Ian

@AjackLee4 8 жыл бұрын

Lmao, Ian a best.

@garethbkw 6 жыл бұрын

On the first shoot with the FAL the position and hold wasnt firm enough, a smaller caliber rifle will allow you those mistakes a larger 7.62 wont just an observation but thank you for an excellent upload you do some really good stuff thank you.

@MrVolodus 7 жыл бұрын

Power of 7.62x51 doesn't give you any advantage in sport match. If there was stage, where you would have to hit water bottle hidden behind 3" concrete wall ... well I think that 5.45 would have more trouble :) (not saying one is better than other, you just always have to pick right tool for the job)

@calvinvanhofwegen97 7 жыл бұрын

Ian love the tactical pony tail

@dylanwight5764 5 жыл бұрын

I often run a very similar ten-hit & five-position match with my shooters. You start prone, got to kneeling go to standing, go to kneeling and go to prone. Each position requires two hits. Par time is seventy seconds. This used to be sixty seconds, but we upped it to seventy to allow for some of our older shooters having difficulty changing positions. There are no type restrictions on this match, so any rifle may be chosen to compete with. This is to allow for the myriad of rifles we see. Shooting takes place at 100 metres on a 50cm steel target. I've found that while I can complete this course within par with my Remington 700 (my best time on this rifle is 62 seconds), I'm much better with my M1 Carbine (average of 29 seconds, best time of 27 seconds). At these ranges, a open sight picture and an easy handling rifle are essential for making consistent _rapid_ hits, though most shooters who participate rarely every time out or exceed fifteen rounds fired. This course is also designed to be practical, specifically for hunters who need more training in rapid target acquisition. It's a fun course, but also one that requires patience. Ten full-power hits from a manual in under sixty seconds can be challenging, but it's very much possible.

@michaelmcbride1204 7 жыл бұрын

Great Video. I was expecting more from the F.A.L. The Right Arm of the Free World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the Great vids. F.A.L. vs AKM would be the more accurate match up!!!!!!!!! Thanks again.

@fhsreelfilms 7 жыл бұрын

Cool to see these old warbirds in action. I think everyone has an off day now and again, Ian!

@troy9477 7 жыл бұрын

A stage like that is good for developing skills without going through a lot of ammo. In it u practice barricade and prone shooting plus weak hand shooting. And hopefully u don't need more than 8-10 rounds. Good video as always

@Josh93B93 4 жыл бұрын

Soviet advisors would use the AK-74 in Angola initially, but were readily replaced by AKM/AKMS rifles as the ballistics of 7.62x39 were better suited to the environment as well as for logistics reasons.

@abitnutz6747 7 жыл бұрын

It seems that the FAL may turn people into a flinch machine?

@akioutsunomiya4343 5 жыл бұрын

thankyou so much I want to say thankyou so much I love the fn fal thakyou I from old shcool from the military of winnipeg back in 1986 thankyou

@drmaudio 8 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this stage, and was happy with my performance, though it did reveal a need for more support side work.

@davejones3237 5 жыл бұрын

Was there ever any doubt about the outcome

@hopalongsnot 7 жыл бұрын

You guise needed to do a comparison and swap guns, so we could pick how much it was actually shooter error.

@highchamp1 8 жыл бұрын

Good to train in picking up any weapon and using it in combat. (Green Beret style / The Walking Dead). Like the army you use what you are given. Most people train with a single highly modified personal weapon. That's OK but...

@siestatime4638 8 жыл бұрын

That would be an interesting stage - randomly assigned weapons.

@troy9477 7 жыл бұрын

highchamp1 - I very much agree. I try to use stock pistols and rack grade rifles as much as possible.

@Dominik189 5 жыл бұрын

I winder if a Halbeck might have actually made a difference here, or maybe even an L2A2 Suit scope.

@forresta65 6 жыл бұрын

Ian and Karl great videos. You guys do a great job. Maybe anticipating the recoil was the problem on the FAL? Not a criticism..just observation.

@brunopezzey9516 Жыл бұрын

I can't even imagine why Ian was shooting prone with the magazine (barely) on the 2x4 support and sliding off every shot so he had to re-acquire his sights and sight picture. That was weird. Curious to see what the target size was at 125 yards: was that an official USA-sized "popper" aka "skinny sammy"? Not a simple target standing unsupported at 125. If it was a C-zone IPSC or a full IPSC, then that was a day that both shooters will want to forget immediately. Interesting that the comparison is 7.62x51mm (full 'battle rifle' cartridge) versus "carbine" cartridge 5.45x39mm. Not an apples-to-apples comparison. I like the idea of both shooters using both rifles.

@xXxNECROMONGERxXx 8 жыл бұрын

More and more arguments to be made for intermediate cartridges with 1-4x power scopes in the majority of situations. That being said, having a 1-4x on an FAL wouldn't be the worst rifle to be behind in a firefight.

@kickapoo621 8 жыл бұрын

Oh no! You didn´t do the splitscreen. Man i loved it.

@Theporkchopsandwhich 7 жыл бұрын

Ian was looking mighty flinchy. also where did he get that chest rig!

@Litany_of_Fury 8 жыл бұрын

Not enough mud.

@nicholascunningham3927 8 жыл бұрын

Perhaps I'm alone in this, but would it be possible for you to shoot some paper in these two gun videos? I'm just curious about your groups when on the clock.

@dbmail545 6 жыл бұрын

I really like a stage that requires the shooter to shoot weak side.

@heathlanning4506 5 жыл бұрын

The fal is my gun just fits me I guess

@RobbTZombie 7 жыл бұрын

Great shirt Ian, I own the same one.

@AjackLee4 8 жыл бұрын

Do the HK33 and M1A!

@SMaia02 7 жыл бұрын

I wish you could put your hands in a Imbel IA2 (the new brazilian rifle), just to see how it does the job. I'm curious about it. Best regards!

@SmallDisturbedChild 8 жыл бұрын

Karl, how is the VP9 for you? I've had mine almost a year love it. Probably one of the nicest triggers out of box I've come across.

@InrangeTv 8 жыл бұрын

I've been happy with it and haven't had any issues. ~Karl

@strawberrybleach7715 7 жыл бұрын

i heard they have reliability issues and they break easily, Is that true Karl?

@InrangeTv 7 жыл бұрын

I have no idea, I've heard the same thing but I've had no issues with mine at all. ~Karl

@strawberrybleach7715 7 жыл бұрын

InRangeTV well thats good. how many rounds have you put through it so far?

@nicholasryczywot6937 7 жыл бұрын

can someone please tell me why FALs have so expensive?

@brunopezzey9516 Жыл бұрын

The FAL was always expensive because of the forged receiver and the large number of machining operations to complete the rifle. Also, not a lot of the rifles were imported before the ban (1986 iirc), so supply is low. Finally, the kits that were imported in the 70s and 80s and 90s were sold / priced at approximately $200 / kit (including CHF .30 cal barrel) and $199 for Imbel / FN receiver. They've been sold and resold until StG kits are worth $1000 and receivers are almost the same price ($800 - $900) - because there aren't new supplies coming in.

@federicodemartino3510 2 ай бұрын

Fal ❤forever

@JohnsonShoreInnHermanville 5 жыл бұрын

My experience with a C1A1 was sad compared to the G3. The AK is a different ride thanks to the round. Sights.

@cherokeecook1260 7 жыл бұрын

Ya'll should totally do a M1A vs AKM47

@danielfisch655 7 жыл бұрын

Ian, what holster are you using for the Hi Power and do you recommend it.

@InrangeTv 7 жыл бұрын

A Bianchi UM-84. It works great for a wide variety of pistols, and can be switched between left and right handed. And it's pretty cheap. Definitely recommended.

@danielfisch655 7 жыл бұрын

Ian, thanks, I'll have to pick one up at the SAR show coming up in December. Maybe, I'll see you there.

@1DavidMarshall 8 жыл бұрын

how long have u two been friends? just curious, by the way you guys do a great job and you're very articulate. thx

@Suominen95 8 жыл бұрын

I hope no one showed up with a gun ejecting from the back for this match. This stage could have been an unpleasant surprise.

@jediknight1294 2 жыл бұрын

L4 Bren mags solve the ammo issue.

@kenhelmers2603 6 жыл бұрын

I liked that stage! Put the emphasis where it belonged :) (sorry Ian)

@bachiryammine8033 8 жыл бұрын

hi guys nice video carl what brand of pants are u wearing and if possible its exact name cause i want to buy like that pant exactly 10 x

@InrangeTv 8 жыл бұрын

www.cryeprecision.com/ProductDetail/aprcpe0232r_g3-combat-pant

@Sortas 3 жыл бұрын

do SVD vs FAL

@vanzylbooysen4826 4 жыл бұрын

FAL - R1 cool gun

@a_shuchu_601 7 жыл бұрын

would make more sense to put AK74 against FNC

@stanleymoreira9988 2 жыл бұрын

Eu prefiro Fal mais simples é confiável, no rio de janeiro só dá Fal é G3 tem AK tbm mais o Fal é mais preferido

@bloxyman9012 3 ай бұрын

So basically ak47 is easer to use and is more compact and fn fal is harder to use less compact and more modern

@Greekmilsim Жыл бұрын

It is not a fair comparison 308. Rifles belong to DMRs .Cannot be compared with assault rifles

@InrangeTv Жыл бұрын

The FAL is not a DMR.

@Greekmilsim Жыл бұрын

@@InrangeTv it is

@richardmartin3243 4 жыл бұрын

I thought was left handed shooter having the problems or port skews of a plumber when he blames his tools for not doing the job

@beachdrugpanda 5 жыл бұрын

I thought it was 308 vs 7.62x39

@Timberwolf1054 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Karl what company is your AK? Also where can I find the furniture to make my rifle Soviet Afghanistan correct. Thanks and keep up the vids. :)

@Timberwolf1054 7 жыл бұрын

Meant to say who makes your AK.

@InrangeTv 7 жыл бұрын

Arsenal SLR-104FR. ~Karl

@alexhamster6509 Жыл бұрын

AK-74SN

@fdsdh1 7 жыл бұрын

I bet the Ak wins, it's basically made for quick follow up shots

@ZzBiohazzardzZ 7 жыл бұрын

You got AKM hand guards on the 74. Should get AK74 hand guards for it.

@InrangeTv 7 жыл бұрын

No, I don't. That is the proper wood hand guard for an AK74 based on the config of that time period (Soviet Afghanistan campaign). ~Karl

@ZzBiohazzardzZ 7 жыл бұрын

InRangeTV Dude just look at pics of soldiers with theirs, takes two seconds. I'm telling you those hand guards are not AK74 hand guards their AKM. AKM has different palm swells and much bigger vents, which I don't even see palm swells on these hand guards. But their definitely not AK74. AK74 only had two types of wooden hand guards before switching to polymer, one had vents, and one which was late late 80s right before going to polymer had no vents which is correct and is my afghan clone. But I'm tellin you right now those hand guards aren't ak74.

@ZzBiohazzardzZ 7 жыл бұрын

InRangeTV Listen..Karl, do it right...Or don't do it at all dammit. The difference is noticeable, so please get you some non-vented rare late 80s hand-guards and sleep well at night know your ak is 100% correct. Where I got mine. www.rusmilitary.com/html/ak_furniture_2.htm

@paulobriffikado1704 7 жыл бұрын

damn you are annoying

@bradleyfitkin4141 7 жыл бұрын

Would it have been easier to start with you weak side then your strong side in this style of match?

@brandon3883 7 жыл бұрын

Unless you are extremely confident of your weak-side skills I can't imagine how: every time you miss a shot, bumble around aiming, mentally counting down the seconds, puts that much more mental stress on you for the entire stage. So starting with in your least-likely-to-hit position is just going to get that stress pumped up early in the stage rather than at the end, and it's much better to time out and miss a couple off-handed shots than to never even get to your strong-side shots because you're a shaking wreck of nerves from the first 30 seconds of weak-side misses.

@exploatores 8 жыл бұрын

I don´t know about the Fal but a G3 works best with mags. :)

@kenparnell4297 4 жыл бұрын

Only proves the boy with the FAL can't shoot.

@vaclavkomrska1033 10 ай бұрын

I love ak 74 :)

@TomLandry1 6 жыл бұрын

Meh... testing the Shooters much more than the guns. If each guy fired each gun, then maybe we'd know something.

@InrangeTv 6 жыл бұрын

Meh.

@lohikarhu734 4 жыл бұрын

And, no reason not fo have done so...Ian is incredibly knowledgeable about weapons, but has never demonstrated great marksmanship. I watch Ian's channel for the knowledge, but pitting him against Karl is never "ideal".

@JackRabbit41 7 жыл бұрын

what was the chest rig that Ian is wearing during the match?

@willkenny5687 7 жыл бұрын

Parker Bronson something Rhodesian. i can't remember the name.

@1973sonofodin 7 жыл бұрын

Looks like a Fereday & Sons reproduction. www.amazon.com/Rhodesian-Fereday-Sons-Chest-Rig/dp/B00NSKQQMK

@WurledPeas 7 жыл бұрын

Well, everyone has a shitty day now and then.

@Enduro-Life 3 жыл бұрын

Dude with the FAL , that is the shittest shooting I have ever seen

@Miragemp5 6 жыл бұрын

He did not set up the gas plug on the FAL that is why the kick back was excessive

@davidaitchison1455 4 жыл бұрын

Ian: "I can't make any excuses for it..." What does Ian then do: makes excuses for it. Sad.

@woodedroger2728 7 жыл бұрын

What's the big deal with the Rhodesian army

@InrangeTv 7 жыл бұрын

Honestly I don't get it either. ~Karl

@VelikiHejter 7 жыл бұрын

Those rifles might be contemporaries but FAL follows much older philosophy so, in my opinion, this is not a fair comparison. I believe that FAL vs. SVD would be fairer comparison.