InRange TV: Come for the firearms, stay for the hats.

Angry Ian = Calm Gandhi.

Karl has found the key to the "Russian Red finish": 1 part shellac, 1 part blood.

The G3 is a great rifle. I used in the Danish Army along side my MG3 (basically a Mg42). About the G3.. The close range notch rear sight is not supposed to be a "V" but a square notch and that works very well. The G3 is not standard fitted with a bi-pod, only as a DMR and then the bolt carrier will also be different than a standard G3 bolt carrier. G3's are fitted with a fixed stock or a telescopic stock and both are good IMHO. So basically you were shooting a bastardized variant of the G3 :) Well, you would most likely not like the standard G3 anyway but it's a great rifle. Ultra reliable and easy to shoot. Also i never noticed anything strange with fitting the mag in the mag well..

I served in the german military and we never used the v-sight. Never. Also we didn´t have 3-point slings, we had regular 2-point slings instead.

Ian's many issues and comments on/about the G3 pretty much nullified the entire point of this series...which didn't even seem to be mentioned in this video, due to the focus on the G3. This REALLY needs to be redone with Ian's FAL as the battle rifle (and perhaps even swap the AK to an AK-74 or AR-15 to move the cartridge sizes even farther apart). When you've got that many issues with a specific rifle that you're pretending represents an entire "combat ideology," you're not testing the ideologies at all - you're just testing your patience (against frustration) and personal firearms skills. And once you've moved to a test of skills even you guys admit that Karl has the advantage, pushing this "comparison" even farther apart from being a realistic test of the idea. I'm not saying this was a bad 2-gun series - the bridge stage was probably the neatest one I've seen yet - but it definitely failed at achieving the desired results.

by the way - the v-notch "express sight" on the HK is just that, an express sight. In the german arms manual, it says that if you need a precision shot at 100m and under, use the 200m peep sight. works.

In my time in the Bundeswehr I was told that the v notch is considered to be used from 50m downwards (Sturmabwehrschiessen). The first hole is marked "200" because the difference between 100 and 200 is only 5cm (2") so it can be used from 50m to 200m. After that distance the bullet begins to drop faster, so you need a hole for 300 and one for 400m.I liked the gun. It's an old dinosaur, but i remember having had only two failures to eject in one year of service. When you crawled over a meadow you could be sure to have most of the meadow in your gun afterwards, which was no problem, the gun never failed to work no matter what dirt was in.At first it feels fairly heavy, but after one week of training it starts to feel like an umbrella. From that point on you can be very fast when shooting with it. I remember two targets coming up at 280m. I managed it 3 times to shoot both before the guy next to me (with a MG 3) could get a shot on them. So with a little training the difference between th G3 and a lighter gun might not be so great.

During my military service (in Germany 1995) we were told to use the 200m apperture sight all the time :) I like the G3 sight and was able to get good hits at 350meters. My problem with this test series is, that it is unfair to compare Rifles this way, because Karl is a noticeably better shooter. If you want to do such a test properly, let him shoot both rifles. But just to stress this point again, now you gat a G3 at hand... throw it in teh mud! :D

About the Diopter sights... Standard Portuguese Army sighting procedures for 100 metres firing, at firing range, as per taught in basic training, is to use the first peep-sight (the one set for 200M). And it works perfectly. No one, no one, uses the notch... Also, Ian should have used a fixed stock, and an A3 handguard. The fact that Ian doesn't like the G3 by heart, didn't help.

My basic training in Norway was with the Kongsberg AG3, which is a quite well made licensed G3. To qualify, we would have to change magazines in 3.5 seconds with the empty magazine not dropped but stuffed inside the field jacket. This would of course not work with brand new magazine pouches, they had to be worked a bit so be more supple. And of course we did not use the V-sight in daylight, the point blanc sight is the 200m combat sight.

Really appreciate these videos being broken down into stages, great stuff guys :)

Do the same stages and switch rifles.

I'm glad I get to WATCH you guys do these :) Thanks!

Uh. The V-Notch is not used for precision shooting. The Notch is used for assault defense, night shooting, shooting in poor visibility, flying targets, and point shooting. It is not meant to be used for precision shooting - even at 100 meters I'd use the 200 meter hole if I was trying for precision with my XR41. Karl - you are right. The button is stupid, but with the paddle magazine release it gets better. Last round, rip back and lock the bolt, rip out the magazine, rock one in, H&K Karate chop, on it goes. The sling is stupid, yes, I only know of the 2-point sling, though, and that is what I would put on mine. All in all: Great match, great shooting guys! Keep up the good work!

30 sec penalty to Karl for taking his hat off in the truck!

this was an awesome collection of vids. intermediate rounds for life! I hope to see more videos like this.

Really really good video. I went shooting two days ago and now after watching this I can't wait to go again!

I had both an HK and a CETME. After a having the HK for a year I sold it because I prefered the CETME's paddle sights over the barrel sight of the HK. I've had my CETME for 12 years and still love shooting it.

Love the videos & both you guys!

I love this format.

Great videos, guys!

Ian, you broke my G3-heart! ;-) I knew that the G3 will loose when Karl explained the drill... Nice video though!!! And a good comparison!!! Best regards from Germany!

I always heard that the V notch was for night use, and the 200 setting was for everything from 0-200 during the day

You know that match looked really fun and challenging. Not too keen on boiling hot car with sharp bits but the rest was interesting.

Great Footage, Karl looked awesome running the AKM in the truck. Points to Ian for trying!

Hi there! That was a good show. And at that distances the outcome wasn't so surprising.

ian's dismount from the truck was much more dramatic. another great video.

the second setting of the g3 sight is two hundred meters yes, but it is also the same as 30 meters, so if Ian had actually known how the g3 works he would have had a better experience, the bipod, and folding stock are trash, the paddle mag release would have been better, so the moral of the story is get the propper gun :)

a H&K G3, isn´t a rifle. it´s a polearm that you can shoot with.

Love watching the Chanel

Sharp/very hot truck I think is just another good reason to keep a pair of gloves around when shooting (i.e. a $20 pair of mechanix.)

I like hearing Karl talk. Conversations are great.

Looks fun & learning skills to.

We did something similar earlier this summer but we started the timer with a string of firecrackers tossed in the bed of the truck to simulate incoming fire. Even though we knew what it was it was surprisingly distracting up to a point.

I would absolutely love to see you guys run an SP1 or a similar style AR in these stages. Especially this one.

Not fair, you guy's just have too much fun.

that car is a reimport from the Syrian Aleppo front?! ;)

The bridge challenge was great I want to make one now.

Always worth watching. When I'm mad, I don't care who knows it . . . I flare up, get mad at everything, then subside, panting like a cheetah who's just missed his kill after a long chase.

I recently picked up one of the newer PTR--91's with the paddle mag release and the welded-on rail for mounting optics instead of the awful claw mounts. It's great to shoot from a bench with the bi-pod out, but in an environment like this, it definitely has it's downsides.

That was a great stage

Well, for distance closer than 60 yards we had the Uzi: load it, switch the safety off and throw it into direction of the enemy :)

Damn that was a soft horn sound. God I want to do one of these competitions.

You guys should do this testing with the PTR32 and an AK with milled reciever.

I ditched the bipod on my PTR-91, added a HK collapsible stock, and a PSG-1 trigger group. I should buy a . 22lr conversion kit. Yes, "violent" is great way to describe a relationship with the rifle, or passive-aggressive with abuse. It's still sexy to look at :) But you really appreciate a SCAR-17 after shooting a G3.

I seriously want to know where you got that hat Karl, it's exactly what i've been looking for

That looks like so much fun. You guys ever consider running a match next door in New Mexico?

I wish I could participate in these, or at least be there to give some pointers. As I have used the AG-3 (Norwegian Army version of the G3) for over 10 years active service ( 2 tours in Afghanistan ) before we switched over to the HK416. So many little things and inefficiencies that take away from the overall performance. But A for effort at least :)

Thanks Karl and Ian. Nice video (and all the others you done about this subjetct). You may point that there was no fixed rule about the SAW amongst western countries in the 60's 70's. For exemple you have the Germans= Full auto HK G3 + belt fed MG3 // the British= Semi-auto L1A1 + mag fed BREN L4 // Belgium (and South american countries)= Full auto FAL + mag fed FALO LMG // the French Semi Auto MAS 49-56 + belt fed AA52 GPMG.

I really hope that you guys will do this again, but with the FN FAL, not that I think there would be a big difference, but still

Really enjoyed this complete series and the analysis. Ian, as a shooter who clearly appreciates the FAL and is comfortable with it, how do you think a 16" barrelled Para would have handled on that truck stage? And would you have considered starting with the stock folded, and opening it only after leaning out the driver's window?

geez carl this is quite the course you thought up

I would love to see the FAL in action. It seems to suit me a little better as a fellow LH. I was wondering if that skeleton stock was an OE option or aftermarket. The commentary at the end answered that. I like battle rifles, so i hope to someday have a G3 and a FAL and MAS 49/56 after i move out of Kali. I can have Ljungmann and an FN49 now if i can find them........Great video, guys. Great hats too

Tetanus shot anyone?

I must say 3 gun looks interesting, but 2 gun looks like a practical kick in the pants. Awesome guys have you ever pitted a 1903 vs a k98 vs an smle?

We all know Ian's kryptonite

Ian, what do you think of the HK93/33 and the HK53 and 51 series with the MP5 style stock?

I hated the sites on the G3, too. Ever tried to shoot that in the dark night?... You'll soon Switch to throwing the gun instead of trying to shoot something :D Talking about gun belts: I loved the MG3 belt. It really helped dealing with the weight of that beast.

Ian, have you tried firing an MP5 or HK33? Do you feel the same about them as compared to the G3? I've heard a lot of bad things about the G3 but it seems to mostly be focused around the fact that it's chambered in 308. I think the roller lock design is much better when used with lower power cartridges like 9mm and 5.56.

This stage all looked like a good reason to wear gloves into combat. Now if only the enemy would let you know ahead of time when combat was going to be, so you could make sure you had your gloves on... or just didn't show up entirely! :P

I was worried in the beginning someone might cut himself in that truck.. hope ye didn't get some nasty infection from it.

Well, at least seeing Ian struggle with a G3 mollifies me a little. 20 years later and it still shits me that we've lost our FAL and SKK/SKS rifles. I'd have to make do with a Remington 7600P or Ruger Scout. Not to mention the whole idea of having fun at the range seems to have been lost in the current atmosphere of litigation and bureaucracy.

Please see : Korth PRS Firing and Warning

bad guns are so much more entertaining to watch, both in shooting and commentary. You guys should do a worst guns match. Like just using the guns you think are the worst in various classes.

Would love to see you guys reverse the roles and have Karl shoot the G3 and Ian the AK just for comparison.

Well sometimes it's the operator and not the gun.

It would be fun to see if you could get your hands on a swedish AK4 and compare if you hate it as much as the HK91/G3...

having a blood injury on your hand is an old hurling trick( Irish field sport). The old guys would say getting a smack on the hand with a stick would help you grip better when the blood got sticky.

Muzzle awareness looks pretty critical on this round when maneuvering in the truck... Hopefully the rest of the field was just as careful.

This match is so un fair. And thats why I hate G3 it is too F long rifle from shooting out a window truck. Great video guys I really enjoyed.

I think some of Ians points are valid but a lot of what he said might be midigated through propper training with the rifle and or just getting the right stuff. 1. Ian should ditch that weird stock and get a Propper stock. 2. Ian really need a Paddle release. and to Ians statement about inserting the mags. I can tell you that inserting the mags on a G3 is far smotther than an AK. I cant tell you how many times ive messed up the reload on an AK under pressure by just not sitting that lug correctly. Getting the magazine jammed in the rifle and having to smack the bottom of the magazine to get it to come out and then re-insert it again. 3. Aimpoint Red dot makes the horrible iron sights a non-issue. But i understand going with the iron sights in this video. 4. The way In which Ian pulls back on the charging handle seems akward. Maybe instead of going under the rifle, he should reach over the rifle to charge it?

Ian, well done, that spinner is TOO TINY and the G3 is a hard to wield in CQC (My battle rifle go to system, though) brother, look into pirate dannas for protecting your 'tail from snagging during "action". You can still wear the boonie hat and if it's lost, you still have the danna. I'm a biker with a short 'tail and wear a danna almost everywhere. In cold weather the shemaugh is best. I use the HK collapsible stock (general Battle Rifle config) or the Magpul stock (On my semi auto heavy barrrel SAW/DMR thingie) BTW I HATE the buckhorn sight, use the 200 aperture to set zero @ 300 yards for CQC with irons. The claw mount system is AWESOME !!!!! The G3 is not a CQC weapon, it's a BATTLE RIFLE heavy hitter. Most in a squad should have an AK74/M4 and my only real criticism is you are comparing old school accessories, that is history

Why were so many battle/combat rifles lacking bolt hold-opens?

Do you have to use a full size rifle or carbine, or would a PDW like a MP-5 or P-90 be fine? I mean, they may be less useful at the more open stages, but if you know ahead of time one of them will be in a vehicle, I wonder if it would be a benefit to use something designed for vehicle crews instead.

To be honest this is the first video of InRange where I thought: "hold on, that looks unsafe." I might be mistaken but I didn't here Karl or Ian set their rifles to save when moving/ switching inside the truck. To me it looked that while moving in the closed confinded area of the cabin, there was a possibility that a shot could get accidentially off. Maybe I'm mistaken but that didn't look ssafe to me... Am I wrong?

Ian please review iranian g3 🙏🏻

I wonder how much faster you would run inside of the truck with an SBR?

Your personalities and opinions work so well together for this channel. Ian, would you prefer a PSG-1 over the G3/MSG-90 design? Would the CETME rifle perform any different from the G3?

Ian, when you will make a review for *new Sturm Gevehr* from your friend`s shop ?

i would like to see forgotten weapons do a old school sks with a PU sniper scope do some kinda run and gun with it as a kick back to vietnam and show the effectiveness of a dmar pu style sks

I admit but unveiling discrepancies of G3 doesn't hide ones of Kalashnikov.

given that Ian isn't someone who shoots a HK well and the limitations of the rifle cause him issues this isn't a good example of a battle rifle and the benefits of them. would be really interested in see8ng the newest generation of 16" 308 compared to a 16" ak go through this match especially with the optics shift.

G3 Mud Test FTW!!!

I shoot my PTR-91 with both hands, and I actually can reload better shooting lefty. The reason is that the button release sucks unless you have crazy long fingers. Shooting lefty, I can grab the mag with my fingers and push the button at the same time. Reaching over the action to pull the charging handle doesn't slow me down as much as dropping the mag does when I shoot right handed.

Oh, the dreaded spinner. How did the 5.56 guys do on the spinner? I learned a great deal from the one match I was able to attend and am really disappointed I missed this one. It looked like a great match. I am going to try to make this month.

i really wish i had a G3 now :P

I wasn't sure this was karl without hearing him talk. Looks so unusual. How heavy are those spinners and what's the approximate diameter? Would you be able to complete this stage with a pdw or an smg in 9x19 or 5.7x28?

dammit Ian you are supposed to hit the target not dig a crater in the sand-bank with the odd stray shot, someone will have to fill that thing up again before someone looses a leg down there (or before you decide to sacrifice the G3 to the desert gods in the unholy chasm).

Hey Karl, whats you're webgear that you use in this video?

That will teach you to be left handed.

I guess I was a little harsh, Ian get you a weapon that works for you, if you have try a 1000.

Ian, you got a FAL Para or the standard stock one?

I'm sure u can always run the boot with ur left hand Gabe Suarez style

one can shoot, one can't!

If the sling comes loose during use on a G3, you have not fastened it correctly.

AKM vs M16A1!

I wish I had Karl's wardrobe.

I would like to see you guys do a match with a Mini-14. I wonder how it would perform?

Would be cool to see an aimed blind-fire course.