Maybe we're all just using DLSS 1.0 XD

lmfao same its still going

Anyday now...

but it is

Yeah any minute now…

*its

They already did. It is called Encoding.

You mean 1080p ? Because it still looks like shit

The reason DLSS works so well is because it has game data to work with. That game data knows exactly what should be shown on the screen, but rendering engines make compromises so that things work efficiently. The DLSS uses machine learning to improve those compromises, where as a fully uploaded 360p video has no compromises. That's EXACTLY the data that's stored (minus KZfaq's compression). CAD software actually doesn't make those compromises and is (pretty much) 100% accurate, because of that it can be pretty choppy to run even with just a few objects. Edit: Oh looks like KZfaq had this video stuck at 360p after the upload :P

@@Spookyhoobster INB4 someone wooshes you

this made me mad when DF claimed dlss 1080p input looked better than native 1800p of consoles with still shots/slow cutscenes they misdirect so many people. dlss is a miracle in still shots, i bet it can even build a native-like image from a 360p input source. things get muddy when you actually move the camera... yet they never cover that

@@blightviolin7322 In some games I think it actually does now look really close to native in motion. But RDR2 is certainly not one of them.

It's not perfect, neither is "native resolution" or any other form of image reconstruction or upscaling.

Actually DLSS looks bad in this case because TAA sharpening is turned on while running DLSS. It looks better with that setting turned off

I think my brain is broken when it comes to the DLSS artifacts, even in this video. All I see is the massive increase in clarity. I'm in the 'fuck TAA' crowd, personally. Never preferred it in anything. I can handle flashies and ghosts here and there as long as the image is crisp and not sharpened to death.

lol

Feels like it tbh. I've never had a video take over an hour to process higher than 360p.

I'm starting to believe that

I agree, were onto you Phillip 🧐

Mayne philip upscale 8k soon?

I was wondering what was going on too. God damn lmao

It's 1080p now, but this video is likely 4k

YEP

Just DLSS the video to 1080p lmao

@@Anon.G still stuck on 360 on my phone

windows 11 moment

Someone needs to ship some aloe vera to Redmond, they just got burrrrrned

I'm stuck at 480 😂

Low res gang 😔

360p gang wya

30 minutes later, and it's still fucked lmao

I'm stuck at 720p. Cmon I just wanna watch at 1080p lol

Yes, I think the renderer is designed to render only and only with TAA. When you turn it off, everything looks terrible. Tree leaves look dead, Contact shadows look stepped, checkerboard pattern jumps into your eyes, and etc... You can't play the game without TAA and even though the DLSS has a kind of similar nature to TAA, It can't eliminate those terrible artifacts and rockstar just didn't want to pay some time fixing it. Tnx Rockstar :/

@@NiceGuyShaderswhen they released this game dlss and ray tracing was just about to come out, they didn't built the game around those features, for them properly implement ray tracing and does they would have to rewrite the whole code, and since Red Dead online had barely any support it makes more unlikely for them to spend time over it.

Only alpha transparency is checkerboarded.

@@luisantos1996 its just rockstar are lazy when it comes to post release to their single player games

@@lynxyu11 I think it's because as soon as a single player title is done they like to quickly move on and start work on the next game. They half ass the RDO and GTA Online updates to keep people interested while most of their resources are going into their next triple a title.

same

Hell, when I usually don't see pixels for me is when the problems start :) But then again it seems RDR2 is really sadly a anti-pixel game because no matter what seems like it's made with AA as a permanent coded feature (or can you disable AA completely??). I my self, rather get pixels than vaseline on my screen from the AA. I only played RDR2 on my PS4 Pro and the biggest problem was really the vaseline blur killing my eyes and the nice ghosting artifact from the TAA on motion and it seems the PC version is no better, some of those Vaseline games I totally saved my eyes just switching from console to PC to disable the shitty AA, however sadly some games seem persistent... Even had a game where I had to modify a few files just to get rid of AA as it was pretty locked into the game and no way to disable just to then realize that the game was really only made to be used with AA or looked completely abnormally strange FFS... PS: Guess the proper way to play RDR2 then is to add 1000% postprocessing sharpening then 😁

@@guily6669 thanks!

*The bush behind the tree is too pixelated

@@guily6669 "Guess the proper way to play RDR2 then is to add 1000% postprocessing sharpening then" You were probably being ironic, but sharpening can't really fix this mess. The slightest amount of sharpening in this game introduces a fuck ton of noise and haloing. I see people playing at 1080p with like 6 different sharpening filters enabled all maxed out and I have absolutely no idea how they think the game looks good at all. Even 20% NVIDIA sharpening produces awful results.

same lol

I saw other videos with this issue today, must be something with KZfaq servers

@@matrix9452 I thought the quality looked bad today in general, but thought it was just my internet, interesting to hear it must be server side

And it's STILL at 360p 2 hours later.

rdr2 tribute

Who isn't?

+

He also lays shit out perfectly, i watch his csgo vids too, even though i despise csgo and think its the worst cs in cs history.

@@SPACECOWBOY_Hej actually the csgo vids are made by 3kliksphilip. Not 2kliksphilip. They're different people 🌝

@@Robstrap yaya they know eachother

I have no quality choice between 720p and 4K. WTF, KZfaq?

@@Yveldi For Me, KZfaq Already Opened 1080p 60fps

@C this is a drawing of a photo of me in Hanoi from 2019 - where pollution masks were pretty much everywhere

@C Why are you watching 3kliksphilip's second channel, then? Kekw.

i am not a game dev but I think using raytraced rendering will solve this or maybe not ?

Thanks for explaining! Will sharpening even effect the image when in motion? (For example the TAA Sharpening filter setting in RDR2)

@@hamzix6599full path tracing could possibly work

"I use the AI upscaling to destroy the AI upscaling"

we get it, u cant afford good internet or a good quality monitor

@@littlehhh4338 you insult people when you're the idiot, when the video is uploaded it is in 360p/480p for a while which is what the OP was referring to

@@RobCXS but the video is not uploaded in 360p/480p you can check the quality buddy, use your eyes, not hard.

@@littlehhh4338 they're talking about KZfaq's processing forcing you to watch at a lower quality for the first 30 minutes or so after a video is uploaded. Use your head.

your friends must be playing the game at 16k if they dont think its a blurry mess filled with artifacts

The flickering trees and checkerboarded hair makes it unusable for me. As someone who has spent some time playing with DLSS on RDR2 I actually think the issues with it are much worse than what Philip showed. You can notice ghosting on almost every model outline and the reflections and parallax mapping sometimes flicker like the white noise on a tube television. It's so distracting that Arthur's head and even your horses tail look like they are being viewed through a screen door. I also should mention I exclusively play at DLSS Quality setting at 1440p and I was noticing all of this stuff. I personally would only use DLSS on RDR2 if I was upscaling to 4k.

@@Sinoops Have not tried DLSS in RDR2 yet (got a 6800xt in my gaming system atm), but for me as a person gaming at 1440p and in the games I have tried DLSS in for more than a few minutes (WD Legion, Control, Death Stranding and CP2077) I almost always prefer native if I can get 60fps without sacrificing too much graphical fidelity. The only game I actually used DLSS (Quality mode) in most of the time playing was CP2077 because it made it possible to hit 60 fps with almost all RT maxed out on a 3080. All the other games did not gain enough performance to make up for some of the noticable issues they added with DLSS, as an example WD Legion had more flickering, moiré patterns and extra blur in motion even with DLSS Quality compared to native 1440p.

@@Sinoops Flicker of the hair, looks like from playstation 4. Played this game on PS4 and PC and in both hair looks like they kinda laggy.

It's used on a lot of engines though, not just RAGE. It's there to cut back on alpha sorting & blending which is a problem dating back years (costs a lot of CPU resources to properly sort & blend transparency).

@@Sinoops i dunno, im running it on my lg cx 48" with 4k and hdr. I think dlss quality makes everything look much sharper. And with the contrast hdr makes usually wearing a hat on i cant even notice the hair unless i stick my face to the screen. I think the game looks overall much better. (And in a huge fps player who would never use dlss in an fps because of motion)

bro this game isnt even optimized. anywhere outside towns/cities you get good fps and the cpu and gpu usage is above 90 percent. but in cities/towns? gpu usage isnt even 60 percent. that is poor optimization.

​@@deathrager2404 Your CPU is a huge bottleneck. What are your specs ?

8K 120Fps HDR with RT mod.

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat did u read what i said bro? can you stop with the bot reply? did u read what i said? when the cpu and gpu usage is above 90 percent, i get around 85-90 fps. my cpu is not the bottleneck, the optimization is the bottleneck. because there isnt any. i understand my cpu is old, sure, but it doesnt even reach 100 percent usage. get lost you bot.

hi vector

@@flarfo348 greetings disciple

he said cpu limited, not gpu limited

@@pastorlol 11:18 ???

Its for rtx who have dlss, to have the sharpening and look that we think is better than native while having the same performance

@@pastorlol cpu wouldnt even make sense

now we have dldsr with dlss the image looks more better.

youtube just doesn't feel like it today

It takes a long ass time. If the video is 4k hdr it can be multiple days before the highest quality is available.

I was on high resolution but it change to 360 halfway through the video

@@Lead_Foot I highly doubt it's HDR, since as far as I know there is no tool to record HDR content on PC. As for quality, KZfaq seems to be really drunk today, switching between available resolutions

@@Lead_Foot Finally back to watch it haha.

Damn, boah. I can feel the pain from here

I am not sure if this was his doing, but I am glad to join you in your anger.

Still nothing and it's been nearly 3 hours. I can actually see some issues even at 360p

we are being trolled

Nothing still

its 3 week now and they finally added 1080p

I see you everywhere lol

You hit the nail on the head though. That's exactly what's going on (& has been since the introduction of RAGE). The alternative to this method is awful performance or bad graphics, something fans wouldn't be happy about either 😆

@@markjacobs1086 Bad graphics? The game already looks terrible.

@@OutlawedPoet Let's just put it at, completely unshaded for transparent textures in that case.

Took a while for youtube to DLSS it up from 360p, hasn't it

@@araghon007 A thing YT does sometimes is show the video at full resolution so you hit publish, and it suddenly drops down to 360p again it's a real pita lol

Uhh can you explain better

Pls and thanks

@@emma6648 First off, the game's TAA was obviously optimised to work with a 4k render resolution. So the game just looks very blurry with TAA when you don't have a 4k display. DLSS does not have the same horrible blur affect and looks much sharper than TAA when running below 4k. DLSS does have it's own downside, there is noticeably more aliasing and temporarily artefacts in certain areas. Overall, the look is better(assuming below 4k, I actually have since got a 4k display and just running native TAA looks best). I also found on my old 1440p display that getting the render resolution above 960p(the highest available by default) does a lot to negate the downsides of DLSS. The only way to get above 960p render res on a 1440p monitor using DLSS is to trick the game into thinking you have a 4k monitor. To do this you enable DSR in Nvidia Control panel, that gives you the option of choosing a 4k resolution which the Nvidia drive downscales to 1440p. After enabling DSR, I went into RDR2 menu and can now pick up 4k output from the menu. I can then enable DLSS and the performance mode which uses a 1080p render res. The end result is solid performance and a game that looks probably the best you can get it on a 1440p screen. I hit dimishing returns raising the DLSS quality above performance, and the performance penalty wasn't worth it. Note, I find that now I have an actual 4k display, it is clear to see the increase in quality as going up each DLSS mode, as previously mentioned I also think TAA now looks better than DLSS with a 4k screen so I don't bother with it. This backs up my initial point, the TAA was designed to look best at 4k.

ya the game looks good to me what is he talking about

Really enjoying this resolution. Helps me appreciate the DLSS

"the human eye cant see anything past 360p 24fps" -me

Well, in this case it's a way to render transparency in rendering pipeline that very much dislikes transparency, but yeah

YES THEY PROCESSED IT! KZfaq fix faster than volvo???

as a console player, I have played at 1080p at 30fps and it was fine.

@@xXx_Baba-Smoker_xXx as a member of pc masterrace, unjokingly 30fps makes me nauseaus and drunk, it hurts my brain

@@xXx_Baba-Smoker_xXx I agree with the other guys statement, i remember being used to play at even 24fps and thinking it was fine, i played on my PS4 after years and years of not turning it on and i had to stop an hour later and ran to the bathroom because i legit felt like puking, so i believe it's a question of adapting, but clearly the higher the fps the better for your eyes.

There are some graphic tricks you can use to make the TAA look SIGNIFICANTLY better without going up to 4k. 1. Use Nvidia sharpening with noise reduction 2. Use TAA on Medium. For some reason TAA on High is much blurrier than the Medium setting. Seriously it's a night and day difference. I play on these settings at 1440p and it looks great. It looks better than DLSS Quality upscaled to 1440p in my opinion. It's just as sharp without all the shimmering, ghosting, and checkerboarding.

@@XXXLaurel In the 90s I was used to gaming at a "smooth" 15-20 fps on PC in some games, these days anything below 60 (or 50 if I have VRR enabled) feels horrible. Oh, and playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake on my PS4 pro was horrible (and the last game I played on it) since I´ve gotten so used to 60+ fps on PC.

interesting

All i want to know is how to get rid of the flickering!!!

720p now

@@trignite 1080p/60fps now

Hold on... Why is he using Windows 11? Isn't it unstable and in testing phase?

Not in this game!

It's not that it doesn't allow "proper" transparency. It's just sorting & blending "proper" transparency absolutely destroys your performance with that many transparent objects. RAGE isn't the only offender though, most engines employ this trick (but sometimes use different dithering patterns).

He’s probably doing some experiment he’ll talk about later.

Well the DLSS update for RDR2 like JUST launched, and since the video hasn't processed yet I'll bet you he stayed up all night making it and released it as soon as he was done haha

The UK is far from his biggest demographic

@@jf6785 Implying 7pm - 10pm on a Thursday is prime-time for America.

@@irldoge2936 It didn't just launch mate. The update dropped on Tuesday. I'd wager that this one's youtube's fault.

Current max is 720p

@@GurtMan100 it's 4k now, so we good 😅