Evolution of the USM4 to USM7 Bayonets

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Suburban Rifleman

Suburban Rifleman

Күн бұрын

A video looking at the development of US military bayonets from WW II through the Vietnam War and right into the present day.

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@BushcraftWoodsDevil
@BushcraftWoodsDevil 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT video! My Dad was a Paratrooper in 11th ABN in WWII and acquired a carbine bayonet which he carried as a dedicated fighting knife. He was issued a Garand and had a standard bayonet for that.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That’s awesome. I’ve seen photos of M4 bayonets converted to something like M3 trench knife configuration but I imagine it makes fine fighting knife, as-is. I love this whole series of bayonets and should probably start looking for an M6 to complete the collection.
@stefanandersson2394
@stefanandersson2394 2 жыл бұрын
Well done! Thank you very much for this clip!
@scaleworksRC
@scaleworksRC Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the history lesson, and nice collection.
@centurycity
@centurycity 5 күн бұрын
Thank you for your excellent review.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 5 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jameswoodbury1807
@jameswoodbury1807 Жыл бұрын
This is fantastic. Thank you :)
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 2 жыл бұрын
You are back! (In black perhaps?) Good video. Wish I had a nice bayonet collection.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
I am! Thank you.
@MidwesternFC
@MidwesternFC 6 ай бұрын
Great video Sir. Thank you.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@bruceowens3258
@bruceowens3258 Ай бұрын
Great video 👍👍👍
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@brodyreynolds3983
@brodyreynolds3983 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching it.
@richardw.norman3661
@richardw.norman3661 5 ай бұрын
My Dad carried a radio part of the time in WWII and he was taught to rap a ground wire around his bayonet and plunge it into the dirt. In one situation he ripped off the wire and left it sticking in the dirt as his forward observation post was being over run.
@CubaLibre69
@CubaLibre69 2 жыл бұрын
My dad left me his USMC issued M6 - its very cool.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
That is very cool.
@Mr.PastGlory
@Mr.PastGlory 2 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT VIDEO! Thanks a lot!
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Mr.PastGlory
@Mr.PastGlory 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuburbanRifleman I own one of those bajonetts made by Eickhorn in Germany and it is so super-cheaply made and therefore so super-sick, that it makes me sick and ashamed of being German that this kinda crap has been issued to US-soldiers stationed in Germany in the 1980s. Compared to US-versions with the screws and so on mine is so cheaply made that it makes me sick, sorry.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a couple of German military knives and they seem very well made. I’ve never owned anything from Eickhorn but you are not the first person I’ve heard say they are not so great. America has made some pretty terrible junk also. I guess it all depends on the manufacturer?
@RustamErgashev-uo8hy
@RustamErgashev-uo8hy 10 ай бұрын
Great video explaining bayonet evolution. My 5cents, in soviet army soilders would get their asses kicked for sharpening their bayonets. As a cutting tool they used other regular knifes.
@tonynapoli5549
@tonynapoli5549 2 жыл бұрын
Liked video and the subject thanks Just subscribed to your channel 👌
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m working on some more like this.
@jwgbmp40
@jwgbmp40 Жыл бұрын
Great vid
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@damianmoskos2299
@damianmoskos2299 9 ай бұрын
Started out just collecting m9 bayos then some m7 which actually was my first given to me by a friend who it was issued to in the aust. army. Then got some more m7 a colt 64 and a Ontario 2005 and my Aussie one a gen cut in pristine condition just yesterday my first m4 arrived a case 1944 leather handled bayonet it's in pretty good condition I love it. I'm hooked
@LestrandAnarchyDK
@LestrandAnarchyDK 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Gert informative. Danish Collecter here.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
I’m hoping to do some more of these. Thanks for watching!
@Embrabrummie
@Embrabrummie 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative, interesting video.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching it!
@Embrabrummie
@Embrabrummie 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuburbanRifleman I am a bayonet collector myself, though, as I live in Scotland, European bayonets are more easily available than those from the USA. I do have some of these models, but not all.
@unitedstatesirie7431
@unitedstatesirie7431 Жыл бұрын
​@@SuburbanRifleman does the M7 bayonet have a full tang blade ?
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Жыл бұрын
@@unitedstatesirie7431 yes. It’s concealed within the handle scales but it is full length.
@unitedstatesirie7431
@unitedstatesirie7431 Жыл бұрын
@@Embrabrummie I can sell and ship you a M7 bayonet manufactured by the USA from the 1970's IMPERIAL company. These are sharp and made out of high carbon steel. Super strong ! 🔪
@joerozzano6491
@joerozzano6491 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, do you what the flaming bomb symbol means on the M4 leather handle??
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The flaming bomb was the symbol of the US Ordnance Department.
@ronaldrobertson2332
@ronaldrobertson2332 21 күн бұрын
The Marines still teach their people the school of the bayonet, so, the use of the bayonet isnt over yet. The threat of cold steel being thrust or slashed into your body is greater than being hit by a bullet.
@phatsmitty
@phatsmitty 2 жыл бұрын
Suburban Rifleman - I just learned a ton, thanks for this. However .... the frosting on the cake would be to show attachment - detachment from their respective rifles. One could not expect that you own each - the M1, M1a, M16, M1 Carbine, and AKM... however, you could beg / borrow rifles and / or reference other videos.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Good point! I actually do own all of those rifles (except the M1a). This may call for a new video.
@Scott11078
@Scott11078 2 жыл бұрын
I picked up an M7 for my first AR build several years ago. How common was it for them to come with the M10 sheath? Also it feels like it has a sharpener in it as well.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Not terribly uncommon but I never encountered the M10 scabbard in the military, even in the early 2000s. They certainly made a lot of them and the M7 was issued with the M10, I think as supplies of M8A1 scabbards started to dry up. I’ve never owned an M10. I’m completely unfamiliar with its internal construction.
@Scott11078
@Scott11078 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuburbanRifleman After a bit of trying to remember where the hell I got it from in the first place, I've since remembered it's an Ontario 494 non issued M7 with M10 scabbard. It wasn't bought to be looked at but as a just incase things go to shit again. After what I went through from hurricane Rita and the riots that went on in my current state I buy things for 1 specific purpose. I'm pretty inexperienced with bayonets and I chose the M7 over the others because it's made to kill, not kill and like the M9 etc. So I'm not sure if I'm just feeling the retaining clips within the scabbard or since the M7 is also meant to be used as a combat knife and therefore meant to be sharpened in which case a self sharpening scabbard would be logical.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
@@Scott11078 the M7 will definitely get the job done, if it comes to that.
@joshuasutton4043
@joshuasutton4043 9 ай бұрын
The m10 shealth was for newer knifes from late 70s-80s the m7 still produced by Ontario knives and used in other countries the m8a1 was original sheath during the 60s -70s also depends on the brand you have of the m7 mines a Columbus milpar with a m8a1 it marked on the sheath a issue number so I know by brand year and sheath it was issued during Vietnam and carried .there is a list of manufacturers that made those knives and years they we’re In service by each manufacturer on internet .
@mtcup56
@mtcup56 9 ай бұрын
Nice
@scottbehr5690
@scottbehr5690 4 ай бұрын
Ive got a real nice M3 made by Boker..still has the leather leg tie down on the sheath
@samuelapiazza47
@samuelapiazza47 2 ай бұрын
The M1905 had a "16 blade and was "21 inches overall in length.
@singhjobim9719
@singhjobim9719 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info. Wasn't sure if my M7 was Vietnam era, now I know.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@itsjustgary407_7
@itsjustgary407_7 2 жыл бұрын
I know I’m late but do you keep your bayonets sheathed long term?
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
In the fiber and resin scabbards, I keep the bayonets sheathed. That’s pretty safe. On the other hand, Leather has a tendency to attract moisture which can encourage rust. So I keep knives and bayonets with leather sheaths separate during long-term storage.
@unclejimmy2630
@unclejimmy2630 2 жыл бұрын
I just got. T65 bayonet from my uncle. Was his war souvenir or something
@santamanone
@santamanone 5 ай бұрын
No. The M3 Trench Knife was not a departure. It was the second evolution of the M1917 Trench Knife.
@mrweeby1961
@mrweeby1961 2 күн бұрын
Wow can't believe I'm just now seeing this video. I was watching videos of the Mossberg 590 shotgun with the bayonet lug and magazine cap for the large ring of the M7 and M9 Bayonets. It seems that the current production Ontario M7 is slightly longer from the bayonet lug latch to the front attaching ring and does not work well on the shotgun. Guys are having to shim the shotgun magazine cap forward. I guess it's not a problem on an AR15 20" barrel and 14.5" barrel. My Mossberg 590A1 came with an Ontario M9 Bayonet and I already had a contract one made by Lan-Cay. I also have an M7 bayonet that is marked Colt on the blade and was made in West Germany with an M8A1 Scabbard. Back when I was buying the M7 style ones they were pretty cheap (except the Colt) but now all of them are like everything else, expensive. Nice video presentation.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 күн бұрын
@@mrweeby1961 thanks for your feedback! I wasn’t aware of the issue with the Mossberg 590. I’ll have to read up on that. I wish I would have held onto my old Phrobis M9.
@willbar1961
@willbar1961 Күн бұрын
Yeah the phrobis III would have been nice to get but they were already too expensive for me.
@andrewfox6631
@andrewfox6631 2 жыл бұрын
I've got a m7 bayonet with a cerved runout . Imperial with a m8a1 scabbard. Think they changed the run from 90 degree in 1974,? .. So I think mine will be post Vietnam. Think imperial had a few contracts from 1973 to 84??
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I think you are correct. 1974 sounds right.
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il Жыл бұрын
Sorry im so late to this discussion, but the m6 bayonet looks a tad different in the handle, but of course the same blade. They are getting quite rare also. The m7s with m8a1 scabbards used to be a dime a dozen but like all other milsurp they dry up eventually. The m9 is actually a long drawn out and twisty turny story but suffice it to say it was and wasn't based on the ak bayo, stoner had his new era space ahe type bayonet to go with his stoner modular system of rifles. I love bayonets and knives and a decent collection, but the best part is learning the history. Thanks for sharing yours.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Жыл бұрын
Not at all. Thanks for contributing your knowledge! I wish I would have kept my M9 bayonets. They would have made an interesting video on their own.
@joshuasutton4043
@joshuasutton4043 9 ай бұрын
Your right I hanging on to my Columbus milpar the blade was little bent I bent it somewhat back did t won’t to damage knife cause it was used in Vietnam and carried during the war it’s sit on my ar15 build right now I have a Romanian Ak for my akm 9mm but not going on it .
@andrewfox6631
@andrewfox6631 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Was the M5A1 bayonet ever used in Vietnam
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but not by American troops I think. We supplied many M1 rifles to the South Vietnamese Army. This would have included many thousands of M5A1 bayonets, I would imagine. We also supplied M1 rifles to South Korea and they made their own version of the M5A1. Not sure what rifles Korean troops brought to Vietnam though.
@tjagielski387
@tjagielski387 9 ай бұрын
And the M4 bayonet was based on the M3 fighting knife. The M3 and M4 are basically the same except that the M4 has the mounting for M1 carbine. My uncle was in the 247th Engineer (Combat) Battalion. He was originally issued a M1 carbine and a M3 knife. I have his M3.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 9 ай бұрын
That’s cool!
@brucebelvin2058
@brucebelvin2058 2 жыл бұрын
You are giving the impression that the M8 scabbards are WWII and all M8A1 stamped scabbards are post-WWII. Not true. The M8 scabbards were for the M3 fighting knife then converted for the M4 bayonet and designated M8A1 and were stamped as such.. The reason you see M8 stamped M8A1 configuration scabbards is because the manufacturers used the leftover M8 throats to make M8A1 scabbards.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
I thought “somewhere along the way” would be sufficiently ambiguous but thanks for the clarification, nonetheless.
@williamhoover3250
@williamhoover3250 7 ай бұрын
The M1905 was a 16" blade, not 13". About 1,000,000 were cut down to a 10" blade.
@Gator-357
@Gator-357 Жыл бұрын
The M8 is the best US bayonete issued, IMO, practically speaking. I have an AK type 2 and type 3 and are excellent for their intended purpose.
@joshuasutton4043
@joshuasutton4043 9 ай бұрын
There’s no m8 it’s m9 I believe More of a fighting knife than an bayonet like the Ak one .
@davidseitz2010
@davidseitz2010 Жыл бұрын
You put the M6 Bayonet before the M5A1 bayonet that you have sitting there. It was made for the M14 rifle so you "do" have that bayonet. It even says it on the hand guard.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman Жыл бұрын
Good to know.
@georgebenta3435
@georgebenta3435 Жыл бұрын
I don't see an M6.
@andrewfox6631
@andrewfox6631 2 жыл бұрын
Your back cut for you m5A1 isn't 90 degrees. It's also slightly different back cut than my milpar m5A1 bayonet as well
@georgebenta3435
@georgebenta3435 Жыл бұрын
My milpar M5A1 has that 90 degrees.
@tushkafilms1061
@tushkafilms1061 23 күн бұрын
18:38 I bought an M7 bayonet at a gunshow when I was a kid and cut the $hit out of my fingers…. The M7 has a veeeery sharp blade.
@davidstecher1171
@davidstecher1171 7 ай бұрын
My dear, as you held the last M7 model in you hand before taking up the sowjet bayonet, on its hilt I recognized the hebrew letter" tzadik" !!! That means this particular one was once proberty of the Israeli IDF!🇮🇱 ! I believe it has some serious collectors value! Best regards from Israel, David😎
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 7 ай бұрын
Wow! That’s very interesting! It certainly warrants more research. Thank you for sharing! I hope this finds you well in Israel.
@davidstecher1171
@davidstecher1171 7 ай бұрын
@@SuburbanRifleman , thank you and you're welcome! I'm doing fine despite all the mess with the war we have now going on. God bless our sodiers, coming home back healthy in one piece!😎
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 7 ай бұрын
@@davidstecher1171 we will be praying for your people as well.
@davidstecher1171
@davidstecher1171 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!❤👍! Please take you too!👍👍👍
@davidstecher1171
@davidstecher1171 7 ай бұрын
I meant take care, sorry for my spelling.😳😖😎👍
@hardcorvancour
@hardcorvancour 2 жыл бұрын
I have a M7 blade in a M8A1 sheath is that unusual ?
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
No. Not at all. That’s exactly correct.
@hardcorvancour
@hardcorvancour 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuburbanRifleman ok thank you very much
@DailyDrivenBikes_1
@DailyDrivenBikes_1 Жыл бұрын
The m3 trench knife evolved into the m7 and m8 bayonet.
@richbutler7828
@richbutler7828 Жыл бұрын
The M8 & M8A1 are Scabbards.
@brucebelvin2058
@brucebelvin2058 2 жыл бұрын
Are you saying you have these bayonets because you have the corresponding rifles? Well then get a Springfield M1A and the put a bayonet-lugged flash hider on it. Then you can get an M6.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
That's not a bad idea!
@michacahan
@michacahan 4 ай бұрын
Shocking you haven’t acquired an M6
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 4 ай бұрын
I really should.
@thatguy9482
@thatguy9482 5 ай бұрын
No m9 the king of knifes?
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 5 ай бұрын
I had an M9. The original Phrobis model. Made by Buck, I think? Somebody made me an offer I couldn’t refuse and I sold it. Like an idiot!
@user-wn2ln3le9d
@user-wn2ln3le9d 24 күн бұрын
87 ㅡ01제검요. 무순넘버가요
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 2 жыл бұрын
You gonna get out and do some hunting this fall? Don’t suppose you would be inclined to film it? Have a nice fall.🙂
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
I’m at least going to bear camp. The early season is next month, muzzleloader only, and regular season is just before Thanksgiving. I’ve thought about trying to do some filming while hunting. I might give it a shot, so to speak. 😆
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuburbanRifleman Yeah , I would imagine trying to film a hunt is taking videography to the next level.. probably quite involved and difficult. Either way it good to hear you got some new material coming.
@AungThu-uq6kg
@AungThu-uq6kg 9 ай бұрын
USM4 တစ်ချောင်းကျွန်တော်မှာရှိပါတယ် အဖိုးရဲ့အမွေပေါ့ခုချိန်ထိသိမ်းထားခဲ့တာမြန်မာ လွတ်လပ်ရေးမရခင်ကာလလောက်ထဲကဓား လေးပေါ့❤တန်ကျေးမသိပင်မဲ့သိမ်းထားဆဲပါ😊
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 9 ай бұрын
Great family history!
@stevebowles9086
@stevebowles9086 2 жыл бұрын
First!
@brucebelvin2058
@brucebelvin2058 2 жыл бұрын
No U.S. M9 bayonet? It has a wire cutter function too, and you could have demonstrated that instead of the commie blade which doesn't belong in that lineup.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 2 жыл бұрын
I had an M9, one of the original Phrobis III models made by Buck. I sold it a while back when its monetary value outstripped its usefulness in my collection. I’ve been thinking about getting one of the new examples from Ontario. I might. Anyway, the AKM bayonet is a contemporary of the M7. The M9 came along quite a bit later. Thanks for your feedback!
@rexmasters1541
@rexmasters1541 9 ай бұрын
I am a retired US Marine and my service connected knife collection is way beyond this guys cheap junk collection. There are those of us that have carried them in combat and then there are these wannabe clowns on youtube.
@SuburbanRifleman
@SuburbanRifleman 9 ай бұрын
Looks like someone got into the crayon 🖍️ box again.
@carlgreisheimer8701
@carlgreisheimer8701 3 ай бұрын
General Curtis LeMay ordered a Large amount of M16s for the US Air Force in late 1963. Did those weapons have Bayonet lugs? Plus, M16s were being "field tested" in Vietnam in the early 60s by are "advisors". Which leads the question, when was the 1st M7 made?
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