300cm Riverbed Cross Section Aquascape Tutorial
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Күн бұрынWERBEVIDEO | After years of planning I've finally scaped a 300cm Super Shallow Aquascape for a friend of mine and made his Aquarium Dream come true.
Tank size 300x37x25cm
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► DBL Bottom Riverstream Aquascape Tutorial • Aquascaping a DBL bott...
Plant list:
- Eleocharis pusilla
- Marsilea hirsuta
- Helanthium tenellum ‘Green’
- Staurogyne repens
- Hygrophila lancea ‘Araguaia’
- Pogostemon decannensis aka P. erectus
- Bacopa caroliniana
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@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Which fish should we add to this aquarium? Tank size 300x37x25cm ► Liti Aquaria light hanging kit: jurijs.link/liti ► DBL Bottom Riverstream Aquascape Tutorial kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdZ8gNai2L7Ycp8.htmlsi=uj3FsJXr3EYspAAC Plant list: - Eleocharis pusilla - Marsilea hirsuta - Helanthium tenellum ‘Green’ - Staurogyne repens - Hygrophila lancea ‘Araguaia’ - Pogostemon decannensis aka P. erectus - Bacopa caroliniana
@Muzvideo2 Ай бұрын
Rainbow fish!!! A lot of! :)
@IMaqua Ай бұрын
Notropis chrosomus.
@jayson.julianda Ай бұрын
nannostomus sp amaya
@dennisvanopstal7360 Ай бұрын
Pentazona barbs Hillstream loaches Panda garras Moluccan Fan Shrimps Amano shrimp And as centerpiece fish a big school of Threadfin Rainbowfish
@neverwander Ай бұрын
A big school of sterbai corydoras! Tons of personality, and gorgeous when their full colors show
@rusticitas 2 күн бұрын
Very nice! I’m enjoying seeing unique aquarium sizes and the aesthetic solutions that are come up with.
@r0dani3lb Ай бұрын
We really need further update videos on this aquascape. Very nice job ! Both you and the owner should be proud
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks, in a couple months I’ll go back and film an update
@IMaqua Ай бұрын
River aquariums are the best, especially if they are placed in long aquariums like this one. You did an amazing job here. Greetings from sunny Croatia.
@frankvermeulen4621 Ай бұрын
I had a feeling I'd find you here. 👍
@IMaqua Ай бұрын
@@frankvermeulen4621 I have a sixth sense for River aquariums haha
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks, love Croatia 🇭🇷
@jenpink4298 Ай бұрын
@@frankvermeulen4621😂👍🏻
@IndoorEcosystem Ай бұрын
This looks sensational! Great choice with the Juniper wood. That made all the difference. Stocking: Hillstream loaches Celestial Peral Danios, Pseudomugil gertrudae and blue dream shrimp 🔥
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips! CPD are already inside, I did suggest the owner my self to get Hillstream loaches, lets see if he follows this advice
@IndoorEcosystem Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs Awesome! If he see's how insanely hyperactive and quirky they are he'll fall in love with them!
@tracys.6033 Ай бұрын
Wow! Absolutely stunning.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks, any fish suggestions?
@TerrariumDesigns Ай бұрын
Absolutely breathtaking scape! Can’t wait to see it full up😃
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I a few months I’ll go back and film an update
@cherylmartin9994 Ай бұрын
Amazing! Like a full on slice of river life. 🤩
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Imagine extending the tank and going further into terrestrial landscape 😁
@Breydwildlife Ай бұрын
That’s so cool can’t wait to see it with fish and water!
@frankeyjones.aquascaping Ай бұрын
Always cool to see these projects! Love what you guys did✌🏻
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks buddy, appreciate your feedback
@juliea6791 Ай бұрын
Wow that looks amazing 💚🌿💚
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
thank you 🙏
@LitiAquaria Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing the process of creating this wonderful tank, Jurijs! It's a pleasant surprise and honor to see LitiAquaria products featured here. We truly appreciate it! 😍 Can't wait to see how the moss covers the rocks in the coming time; it's going to be amazing! As for fish suggestions, I'm really into Rummynose tetras. Their slender, silverish bodies with red heads would make for a fantastic school of fish here. 🥰🥰
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
They didn’t come up to my mind fist, but you’re now second to suggest them. So I’ll think about them
@dmc3489 Ай бұрын
Just checked out your website - your prices are incredible!
@vampgaia Ай бұрын
That is a cool looking tank!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@Pahar_premi Ай бұрын
Nice one... Simple & awesome 😍
@amiransari9746 Ай бұрын
Awesome scape❤❤
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@btdarterschannel112 Ай бұрын
Rainbow Shiners, definitely! 🌈👍
@toxiccity97 Ай бұрын
not without a lid
@AdyM35 Ай бұрын
Really interesting project, executed beautifully. Looking forward to future updates.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Update video is already in the works..
@AdyM35 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs looking forward to it
@MegGreeneSmith Ай бұрын
Beautiful! Rainbow shiners (Notropsis chrosomus) would be a a great fish for this tank - they are beautiful fish and this tank mimics their natural environment.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I’m just afraid there won’t be enough free swim space for them .. if there only was a mini version of this fish?!
@RabidicusNollis Ай бұрын
Oh! I'd absolutely put in either Emerald Dwarf or celestial pearl danio in that tank myself! And some form of dwarf shrimp.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
CPD and dwarf shrimps already populate the tank, update coming soon..
@Aylasuki 12 күн бұрын
Looks utterly amazing, can't wait to see the update, especially the moss, I've never seen that. Just setup a hillstream aquarium as well, totally in love with this biotope, mine is only 100cm tho :D
@PureAndShrimple Ай бұрын
Of course, Hillstream Loaches! Also, maybe an odd choice but I have some Leopard Danios which I always think look like tiny Trout and I think a big group would look cool with all that swim room!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Yes I always think the same about them! I actually suggested them to the owner right away, let’s see what he decided 😏
@zohaibenator Ай бұрын
Nice Job!🎉🎉 Fish Recommendation: - Hill stream loach - rummy nose / cardinal tetra / amber tetra (mix or one specie) Shrimps: -Bloody mary cherry shrimps. -Amano shrimps
@LoganRando Ай бұрын
Stunning work on this one. Reminds me of a Green Machine creation. Shout out to the wide angle lens for this one 😂
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Yes I remember the one James did back then. And yes, I was happy to have my UWA lens with me 😂
@lethPointer 24 күн бұрын
looks perfect for a 3 meter eel
@kerstintrauzettel6838 Ай бұрын
WOW!! Das Aquarium ist unglaublich toll geworden! Ein echter Traum, besonders die Maße!❤ Eine große Gruppe "Rosy" Zwergschmerlen würde toll aussehen... oder natürlich Garra Flavatra oder Flossensauger oder... da geht Einiges. 😅 Ich freue mich schon jetzt auf ein Update!😉
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Vielen lieben Dank! Ja Rosy Schmerlen würden gut passen, Flossensauger auch
@DavidOdenthal Ай бұрын
Oh Wunder, die Schmerlen hab ich sogar da 😊
@greenslovaktherapy Ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing tank :) I think this is the nicest tank, you have ever created :) I can not wait for the "water" part :)
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks my friend, I hope to film and update soon
@joemeenie Ай бұрын
Seems a group of white cloud minnows would fit nicely
@dillonrose3428 Ай бұрын
Magnificent. 🤌🏽
@curgunner Ай бұрын
I think rainbow shiners would be gorgeous in that tank. Maybe a smaller variety of whiptail catfish can call it home as well.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Great suggestions, thanks
@Raaghav1007 Ай бұрын
*ooooo Awesome Brother Love From INDIA ❤🙏*
@WatermelonJiki Ай бұрын
Wow those dimensions are a dream, epic horizontal room! This build reminds me of an experience I had a few years ago.. I knew this guy known as “GarlicNoji” he was friends with Kalichi. He was a cousin of Kalijigi, who studied at Django Kiyoji. He moved to a place called Crustiji, where he met Mrs Kanishki. There they had a kid name Gobi, who grew up to become a Blazing Pillpoji! It was a cool experience overall
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
What did I just read 🤣
@jamespozone5238 Ай бұрын
Awesome build, Jurijs! I vote Stiphodon gobies, Hillstream loaches and Rainbow Shiners!
@darrenderousse4804 Ай бұрын
I think this is my favorite scape of yours if not top 2 Jurijs! Came out so good! Can’t wait to see it stocked! Depending on if your client wants no heater but maybe a big school of rainbow shiners might look great! Or white cloud mountain minnows! I also saw Vietnamese minnows that might look great! With hillstream loaches also could be cool!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
No way you’re finally up to date with my uploads 😜
@darrenderousse4804 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs 😂😂 nope, I skipped ahead cause I saw that scape! 😉😂
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I knew you did 🤣 but it’s okay, my watch later playlist is like 800 videos long 🫣
@darrenderousse4804 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs 😂 I’m 3 weeks behind after vacation with all the channels I watch on KZfaq! Catching up a lil now!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I think I’m interested in too many things, I keep adding more videos to my “watch later” playlist than I can physically watch 😂
@dmc3489 Ай бұрын
Gorgeous tank with perfect dimensions! The hardscape and planting was executed perfectly! Love it. My vote would be for a huge group of Ambastaia sidthimunki and an equally sized school of Pseudomugil luminatus. Maybe a pair or two of Hypseleotris compressa and some Atyopsis shrimp. Then later on, add some Caridina dennerli.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
You made me realize I’m really bad with Latin fish names 😂 will have to look em up on Google
@mimiyturiya5672 Ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this since the first day you took a photo of the aquarium on Facebook
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I hope you enjoyed the finished product
@mimiyturiya5672 Ай бұрын
It is looking great, looking very good
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@Dylan1906 Ай бұрын
Wow. I want next video how is looks like please 😊
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I’ll try my best to revisit this project asap
@norbertthoens3561 Ай бұрын
Ist echt recht schön geworden das Bachlaufaquarium und das, obwohl die Gestaltung bei so einem flachen Becken bestimmt nicht leicht war! 👍
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Danke für das Lob! Ich hatte sofort eine Idee und es hat alles gut geklappt
@MehHalfhearted Ай бұрын
Rainbow shiners and kubotai rasboras! Both highly active species that prefer open swimming space and stream-like environments, plus I think the bright greens and blue/purple would contrast nicely together. Obviously some sort of hillstream loach as well. Pick whichever one the owner likes the look of most, or mix and match!
@Chinco_NL Ай бұрын
I'm not that big of a fan of rainbows, but this scape cries vor bosemani's! Cool scape, wow!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Don’t they grow too big? 🧐
@Chinco_NL Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs the scape was 3 meters, right? MD has some in a 1.2 meter aquarium.
@Chinco_NL Ай бұрын
Oh, forget what I said. I didn't see the 25*37 cm dimensions.
@jimmyhfishes Ай бұрын
Looks awesome....❤.. i have no idea what kind of fish but will definitely love to find out whatvyou guys end up getting...
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks. I’ll make sure to keep you updated on this project
@danszczerba65 Ай бұрын
Stunning!!! I love long tanks, great vid as always. Do you know what filters are being used on such a long tank? I assume there is one in each corner?
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Yes, there will be 2 JBL E700 canisters
@martincairns1555 Ай бұрын
Cobalt Blue Goby Stiphodon semoni - they would love this scape. They would be sparring over the best rocks to sit on like little sapphire dogs. Great little fish full of personality.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I would love to see that, will tell the owner 😁
@ath-har7611 Ай бұрын
Some blue Cories and cherry shrimps will look nice. And maybe a pearl gouramis might look nice. Or rosy barbs or Congo tetra.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
You forgot the Arowana 😜
@ath-har7611 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs oh yeah
@frankvermeulen4621 Ай бұрын
Quite the contrast going from a 20 cm cube to this, haha. 😅 Absolutely spectacular, both in size and setup. I was daydreaming about a big shallow in my living room at some point. But maybe not 3 metres. 😆 For fish... I've seen a scape with some magnificent "Rainbow Shiners". Edit: see above: Notropis chrosomus.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Haha yeah, I was afraid after doing so many small ones I could forget how to do the big ones 😂
@somakpal5876 Ай бұрын
Waiting to see this aquarium in matured state
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
update video coming soon!
@buiscape Ай бұрын
Rummy nose!!! They'd love to swim that distance.
@mayremarichal2018 Ай бұрын
Espectacular..!! 😊❤
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@Nakamamas Ай бұрын
Hill stream loaches and shrimp!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions
@jakehinch6654 Ай бұрын
I am interested to see the dry start results for such a big tank. Seems like keeping it moist might be a hassle, but maybe not for a pro like Juriis.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
The substrate is sprayed wet and only the rocks with Fissidens will need a short misting 1-2 times a day. Everything else would be basically on auto pilot from the start
@cattaraugustonawanda4426 Ай бұрын
Very nice!!! Did you build the glass aquarium?
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Professionals did - maybe I will try and make a small one my self in the future
@steffanjansenvanvuuren3257 Ай бұрын
Hi, beautiful aquascape. But how long does it take for the moss to attach?
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
4-6 weeks, you should see 2-3mm new growth
@Pahar_premi Ай бұрын
You can add Harlequin rasboras along with congo tetras...
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Harlequin Rasbora yes, but Congo tetra will grow too big. Consider the tank is only 25cm tall
@Ankescapes Ай бұрын
Geniales Setup - in der Länge macht ein Shallow Aquarium Spaß 😍 ich würde Stiphodon Grundeln (die neonblauen) und eine Blauaugen-Art einsetzen. Pseudomugil paskai sind toll, aber nur als private Nachzuchten, weil sie sonst leider sehr instabil stehen... bin gespannt, was es dann wird 🤩
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Gute Idee 👍
@NickJung97 Ай бұрын
Hemirhamphodon Tengah or a whole bunch of Trochilocharax ornatus would be incredible
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
cool choices, the ornatus is very rare, I haven't seen them in a long time
@maddoxprimeaux3565 Ай бұрын
If you could get your hands on some darters that would be cool
@TC4Dallas Ай бұрын
Dwarf Cichlid!
@JeffreyGVny 29 күн бұрын
Gobi varieties!
@777zilwis Ай бұрын
Hello 👋, how do you determin the distance between water surface and the lights? (How far away to hang them) 💡
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Ultimately one can use a PAR meter, since the water is rather shallow, we went for a slightly higher starting point. Later on the heigh can be adjusted according to plant growth
@markfranklin8831 Ай бұрын
Amazing differently need a update. Please
@maxredd6207 Ай бұрын
Congo tetras all day... like a ton of em
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Don’t you think they will grow out the tank?
@custard8816 Ай бұрын
betta big
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Maybe wild type
@pascal99154 Ай бұрын
Hello, I find this tank interesting in its measurements. As a retired professional aquarist, I will opt for a population of colorful fish from the KILLIES family: Aplocheilus, Aphyosemion, Fundulophanchax, Notobranchuis, Epiplatys, Hypsolebias ,Bropanchax, it has various choices of colors according to the tastes of the owner. Sincerely
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Wow 😮 I’ll have to google some of the names
@craigquinn8225 Ай бұрын
the new strain of Congo tetra. and a apistograma
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
New strain?
@craigquinn8225 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs think they are gold lol
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
@@craigquinn8225 is see, yeah great fish, but probably still too big for this one
@metallixro Ай бұрын
tank width and height ? cant wait for the follow up on this when the tank is mature!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
300x37x25cm
@danielpfister866 Ай бұрын
Vielen Dank #crazyforaquascaping
@GardenEvolution Ай бұрын
Cool tank! What about some rainbow shiners?!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Despite the tank length, I think there is too little volume after all to keep rainbow shiners
@GardenEvolution Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs aw shucks! Maybe some amazing danios then!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Yes Danios are great and the owner is breeding CPD so who knows 🤷♂️
@GardenEvolution Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs another great option!
@vtr-vegasteslarides569 Ай бұрын
300cm is exactly 118 inches. Same length I was planning for a tank on my living room to dinning room divider wall that has this large cut out, but is only 21cm wide. Would you say that's doable, say 40cm, 15 inches tall? Surprised it's all one solid piece length with no support. I just built a dirty substrate and sand fully planted tank and I fear my 3 goldfish 6 Inch long will just eat all the plants, disturbed the ground, rip the plants out. So was thinking to see if I can return them to the store for a new home. But you said river bed, goldfish being trout family, you think this design would work for them? Will they ruin the ground and setting? What maintenance is expected from your tank design? I come from gravel now, and this dirty tank design is maintenence free, unless the goldfish go in and destroy all. Where does the poop go on yours? Not into substrate and serve as food for the plants? So needs changing? Please advise. Being in living room a bit harder to change and maintain. Will the decor and black and sand stay or be disturbed by digging goldfish?
@jasonikimarin4840 Ай бұрын
can add red nose tetra
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Will consider them, thanks
@mrstea1813 Ай бұрын
rainbow shiners
@shehbaz149 Ай бұрын
Hey, I'm just curious. Did you post this a few days back on r/aquascape?
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
R/aquascape? 🤨 what’s that?
@shehbaz149 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs a subreddit dedicated to aquascaping.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I’m not active on Reddit, but it might be possible that someone reposted from my Instagram
@shehbaz149 Ай бұрын
@JurijsJutjajevs ok might be. Thanks for the reply, though
@thedoujinguynico7315 Ай бұрын
What is the glass thickness?
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
I think it’s 12mm but I’m not sure
@danielpfister866 Ай бұрын
Wo bestellst Du so grosse Rückwandfolie?
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Amazon amzn.to/43Wt2pQ
@aquarium.doctor Ай бұрын
Hear me out: A school of 200+ Brevibora dorsiocellata would be stunning in this scape.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Lovely fish, but rather rare. I’ll put them on the “to be considered” list
@aquarium.doctor Ай бұрын
I can spot them at my LFS pretty regularly. One of the few species that gets along with these bright iwagumi style layouts where shelter is rare. Bonus: Schools really tightly. One of my favourites!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
That’s true, I see them from time to time but in small numbers. Lovely fish and perfect for most iwagumi style aquariums like you said.
@MrTJSE Ай бұрын
Where is that tank from, I need one!
@frankvermeulen4621 Ай бұрын
Custom built, I would imagine.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Exactly, something like this is always custom build
@marymccannon5610 Ай бұрын
The concept and planting is brilliant. One tiny element bothers me: on the slopes some rocks reach the front glass. Aesthetically not a pleasant sight. I would push them slightly backwards. As for the livestock, I would look for species that typically live in similar environment. I. e.: hillstream loaches (Sewellia lineolata), Lambchop Rasboras (Trigonostigma espei) or White Cloud Mountain Minnows (Tanichthys albonubes) with a shoal of pygmy corydoras to eat-up all the excess food.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Hey Mary, I placed the rocks on purpose against the glass, this will help maintain the slope, also if cutting a slice from nature and observing the cross section one will see rocks too, so this makes the idea even more realistic imo
@kidzkarlshorst5984 Ай бұрын
Yaoshania pachychilus und Kubotais
@alimahmed2028 Ай бұрын
I think you should add some honey gourami to this tank with guppies and cherry shrimps.
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Sort of Asian Biotop style 🤔
@alimahmed2028 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs yes indeed! 👍
@alimahmed2028 Ай бұрын
Guppy class I think it should be Endler Guppies! @JurijsJutjajevs
@karlyhooper4578 Ай бұрын
ghost knife fish!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
very interesting fish, but I think they do better in taller aquariums with possibilities to hide under
@karlyhooper4578 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevs that’s fair :) i also think peacock gudgeons would be amazing. i am an oddball fan ♥️
@Atlas92936 Ай бұрын
Will we get an update??? That’s it???
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Yes, update is already in the works
@Atlas92936 Ай бұрын
@@JurijsJutjajevsso happy to hear that! Thank you ❤
@stefanotanti7296 Ай бұрын
The pain brush is my hand
@craigcoghlan546 Ай бұрын
Shrimp and Hillstreem for shor
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
For sure 😆
@craigcoghlan546 Ай бұрын
Sorry, no glasses thought that looked funny 😄😄
@SJLamb-te3dt Ай бұрын
Lots of tiny rasboras, just tons upon tons of them.
@HeraldHeart143 Ай бұрын
Arapaima would do. 😅
@josemanuelorellanajurado3968 Ай бұрын
Rasbora Dorsiocellata
@artiplier Ай бұрын
What an amazing tank setup and also great video production! Looking forward to updates in the future!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Definitely will follow up on this one ☝️
@mattblzd Ай бұрын
Ricefish 🍚
@Mark-Dibble Ай бұрын
Panda loaches
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
If they only would stay juvenile 💭
@janhenryd Ай бұрын
Schachbrettschmerlen
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Tolle Tiere 🙌
@vampgaia Ай бұрын
Gobies!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
A few small ones I can imagine
@benevolentpussyconnoisseur4024 Ай бұрын
First time hearing about moss mix, super informative and helpful, will definitely try it out on my next scape, cheers mate!
@JurijsJutjajevs Ай бұрын
Works particularly great with Fissidens and Riccardia as they are expensive to buy and attach well after the moss mud method
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