337: Zeroing A Rifle - The Struggle Is Real

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Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I read a story from a Patreon who struggled to zero his rifle and answer listeners' questions!
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 7 ай бұрын

16 rounds and not zeroed?! ROOKIE NUMBERS! I could EASILY double that! 😂😂😂 Poor man. That is some rough luck. Cheers Dusty!

@sinisterthoughts2896 7 ай бұрын

Best comment of the week!

@Vikingocazar 7 ай бұрын

Did the same thing with a .300RCM… total rookie move 🤦🏼😹😹😹

@jk-kr8jt 7 ай бұрын

OK whoshotash, I'll see your 32 rounds and raise you 12 rounds😂

@maynardcarmer3148 7 ай бұрын

It could be worse. I was helping my niece's husband sight in his new rifle. With the windage cranked full right, it was hitting 5 inches left at 100 yards. It took junking the Weaver mounts that the gun came with in favor of a set of Leupolds with adjustable windage in the rear base to get him on target. And yes, he killed his deer with it.

@hadleytorres8171 7 ай бұрын

My friend picked up a 30-06 years ago and asked me to help him zero it in. We went out and put the target at 200 yards as that's where I was taught to zero at years ago. Anyway we would get 1 shot within a couple inches, then the next dead on and the 3rd would go high. I kept thinking we were over correcting, then I thought we cogent shoot, then we ran out of the 24 cartridges he brought. As we got back to his house I finally realized I should check the scope mounts and fitment. The mounts ended up being loose and I ended up angry that I never thought of that before bruising up my shoulder.

@SteveinMississippi 7 ай бұрын

Another great video, Ron. The fellow who was having so much trouble sighting in his rifle is indicative of way too many folks out there who think scoping and sighting in a rifle is simply a matter of slapping a scope on the rifle and hitting the range at 100 yards. Read the friggin' instructions, people! Especially if you're very new to rifle shooting and specifically scoped-rifle shooting. I'm a pretty good rifleman and I don't even boresight. I just start at 25 yards on a big target sheet and go from there. Sure, I'll burn more ammo than a lot of folks, *BUT* that brings up another point that's a pet peeve of mine -- It seems that too many people out there are looking for whatever reason they can find to shoot their rifles as little as possible. *YOU NEED TO SHOOT MORE.* Every round you send downrange helps you learn your rifle just a bit more than the shot before. Of course, you have to be paying attention. But, the bottom line is that no one *EVER* became a better rifleman by shooting *LESS*. Shoot more. Spend a little more on ammo and shoot more.

@Russ1tonram 7 ай бұрын

I've had one mounted buy a gunsmith and bore sighted in took to the range at 100 yes. Was 5 shots in ¾" set it down and sighted in another for my grandson. 45 min. Later picked it back up and couldn't get on paper. When I was placing the rifle back into the case I found my problem they torxed the rings but only finer tightened the base down and it had come loose on the front set screws enough to feel it move. After I took it back home and disassembled torked everything to specs its never needed reset again.

@jasonbyassee7541 7 ай бұрын

I had an old vari-x II that began shooting all over the target. My first thought was the gun or ammo. Put the scope on another gun, and same horrible accuracy. Of course Leupold fixed a couple of issues with the scope and it’s good as new.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

I've had a scope or two that did that. The issue is weak erector tube springs or completely broken springs.

@Vikingocazar 7 ай бұрын

Been there done that Dusty!! Cheers mate!! 😂🎉

@johnnash5118 7 ай бұрын

Hi Ron, A situation where cup ‘n core bullets may be desirable over controlled expansion bullets are frontal shots. I shot my Blacktail buck as it was quartering with its left-front toward me @90 yards. I aimed for and hit a couple inches right of center mass, it entered the left lung, exploded and destroyed both, but spared the heart. I was very impressed the bullet didn’t penetrate further into the gut, not a knick. I ate the heart too, mmm mmmm. I’ve decided to remove my Holland muzzle brake from my 7 SAUM for Roosevelt elk hunting since 1 shot is preferable and a followup shot, if necessary won’t make any difference on my shoulder. I can always reinstall it for the range later.

@edwardabrams4972 7 ай бұрын

You had better sight it in without the break if that’s the way your going to hunt because a break can change bullet point of impact

@johnnash5118 7 ай бұрын

@@edwardabrams4972 Really? How much?

@fuzztsimmers3415 7 ай бұрын

I bought my 7mm/08 2 years ago havent been able to hunt with it yet. First year i had adjusted the trigger and had put the stock on too tight and was having inconsistent groups. Even though my father said it was fine i decided to take my 270 which was shooting its normal inch to inch and half groups it shoots with everything. Burned 2 boxes of ammo trying to get it right got home. bought a week later remembered i took the stock off and backed the stock screw of about a half a turn went back out and boom inch groups shooting the ammo i had been able to find.

@DinoNucci 7 ай бұрын

Anyone else scared to be in the same woods as Dusty?

@sinisterthoughts2896 7 ай бұрын

A little bit, but we all got to start somewhere, and at least he's trying.

@edwardabrams4972 7 ай бұрын

The real scary part is they are out there and you don’t know if your hunting right beside where they are hunting🤔😳

@davidzakrzewicz707 7 ай бұрын

I hope you don’t listen to the dour kill joys who tell you not to be a little bit goofy. Good conversations are always more enjoyable with a little cutting up and I enjoy the way you keep it light while still passing on valuable knowledge and your trusted opinions and experiences.

@sinisterthoughts2896 7 ай бұрын

I appreciate Dusty sharing his story, we all have had those experiences. My suggestion is loc-tite the threads of the hardware on your scope mounts.

@chadmorrison5094 7 ай бұрын

That is really awesome. Thank you! I love gun history! Keep up the great work.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

Thanks Chad. Glad you like it.

@freedomlover425 7 ай бұрын

Ron, for 30-06 week please try a Savage 110 Ultralight, model 57581. Thanks!

@davidruppel1216 7 ай бұрын

Hello Ron, Great show as always! Nooooo don't change your goofyness. You are a genuine outdoorsmanand rifleman. Kind of like another one of the guys hanging around the campfire. Keep up the great videos!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the goofy support, David!

@rogersauve3208 7 ай бұрын

I have been looking into muzzle brakes , the one I think I might get is a gentry quiet muzzle brake ..look into it , if it works and is quieter then it would be worth it...

@edwardabrams4972 7 ай бұрын

I have them on several of them and they are great!

@averageaple6789 7 ай бұрын

Hard lessons are great, especially learning from fucking up a ton. I enjoy the trial and error period of new equipment.

@jcows12 7 ай бұрын

My sight in method is as follows. 1: boresight if possible 2: start at 25 yrds or so 3: once on paper and adjusted move to 100 Hopefully it only takes a few shots. Dont get frustrated and get your barrel too hot as that can just make it spot and waste more ammo. Update: you might want to sight in at 50 yards, some guns will actually shoot much flatter if you do 50 yards instead. Check your ballistics and you decide, best of luck 👍

@bekkerbosbeer3453 7 ай бұрын

I'm on the same rocky road of zeroing,it's a hell of a learning curve...well that's part of the fun I suppose...😂.A week on the 303 British would be great ,sporterized vs original, yes please,6.5 x55 ,8 mms

@glockparaastra 7 ай бұрын

A tuner brake like Eric Cortina's really does work as advertised. Tried and tested.

@jfess1911 7 ай бұрын

Regarding twist rate on 22-250. These days, the trend is towards longer, sleeker bullets that require a faster twist. Lead-free bullets also tend to prefer faster twist and there are more and more areas that don't allow lead-core bullets. The main advantage of slow-twist barrels is that they tend to be more accurate with poor quality bullets (uneven jacket thickness, voids in the lead core, etc). These days, overall quality of bullets tends to be better so there is minimal downside with a slightly faster twist. I recently had a conversation with someone in California who had an older .25 cal rifle (I forget which cartridge) with a slow-twist barrel. He was not able to find any lead-free bullets for medium-game that would stabilize in his rifle (he only found bullets for varmints).

@georgewilliams4175 7 ай бұрын

Hey ron big fan of all your content and knowledge i have listen to all of your podcast on Spotify it's my past time for work and look forward to beginning of the week for new episodes. I am 30 years old have hunted on and off since I was 11 years old but my uncle was one of the types he wanted to be the one take me but never wanted me to win he would smoke and stomp around I never knowed any different at the time but now knowing it's frustrating what he was doing but In the last few years I have tryed hard getting back into it's been rough working 60 hours a week but I haven't had any luck past 3 years have not seen anything public land is plentiful here in eastern Tennessee but 3 years and still no luck do you or any fellow listeners have any tips or advice that would help me any advice is greatly appreciated. Ron keep up the great work looking forward to a new episode next week God bless

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

No simple tips, George. But scouting is key. You have to know deer behavior and read sign (or "cheat" with trail cameras) to figure out where they are and where they are going when. And how they respond to human activity and hunting pressure. Some good looking cover goes unused, others get all the action. I watch a 40-acre side hill of young cedars last week in which frolicked 18 to 24 whitetails each day while similar habitats surrounding it remained empty. Nine of those deer were fair to good sized bucks, too. Alas, no permission to hunt that spot.

@ronws2007 7 ай бұрын

Guys! Guys! I have the secret to working with muzzle brakes. Wear hearing protection. You are welcome, internet.

@edwardabrams4972 7 ай бұрын

I have a secret to when shooting any high powered rifles wear ear protection🙌😳😂

@natebaker1000 7 ай бұрын

I was curious about how to tell if your bullet is opening or not. I have switched to barnes ttsx bullets after finding a cup and core jacket in a white tail buck I had shot a few years ago with no sign of lead anywhere, causing some concern as my family and I all eat the meat. Since the switch ro the barnes ttsx they work great but they pass through and I'm not sure if they're opening up or not

@philpayne5313 7 ай бұрын

Have used TTSX in 7mm08 handloads the last few seasons. If your entrance is smaller than your exit it is expanding. I have had no issue. I have only found a small piece of the copper petal in the vitals. TTSX has worked very well for me

@josephrogers8213 7 ай бұрын

Before and after every shooting session grab all parts and try to wiggle for movement. Or if groups move

@jasonstephenson793 7 ай бұрын

A 30-06 you should consider in your up coming video is the Noreen BN36 it's a gas operated built here in MT. It can be fire a semi auto or as a single shoot bolt action. I know you don't really like those type of firearms, but considering that 1 it's built in MT, 2nd it's chambered in 30-06 & 3rd the fact that the Senate is considering banning all semi auto's, it might be worth it to get one now.

@chadmorrison5094 7 ай бұрын

45 Egypt! AT church the other night a buddy and I were talking guns. He mentioned that his dad had a rifle called a 45 Egypt. Have you heard of it? It was certainly new to me. Can you tell us about it?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

Chad, the Egyptian army had Rolling Block Remington rifles chambered for the 43 Egyptian cartridge from about 1870 through the first world war. It was a rimmed, bottlenecked cartridge spitting a .448" bullet, probably why your buddy called it the 45. IT shot a 465-gr. bullet about 1,300 fps.

@jasonbyassee7541 7 ай бұрын

I almost responded to one of those scams, but couldn’t remember you mentioning a giveaway.

@jonathanhudson3337 7 ай бұрын

Hey Ron watched your videos. You got me talked in to 7mm Rem Mag for a do all cartridge. But wonder if you have any rifle suggestions? I looked at bergara, sako and tikka but not sure. I do want to eventually run a suppressor which throws out some models. I also would like to get an idea on a scope. I don't have endless money hints 1 rifle. Thanks for any advice you might have for me.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

Rifle choice is a personal thing. Choose the one you like for its lines, weight, feel, action, reputation. They all work! My do-it-all 7mm RM is a Borden Timberline push feed action. about 7 pounds with a 3.5-18x44 Swarovski scope. Sub-MOA every day. No complaints.

@glockparaastra 7 ай бұрын

I would never trust anyone else to mount a scope on my rifle. Buy the correct equipment and a torque wrench and learn to do it yourself.

@Voxguitarsrock 7 ай бұрын

The best way to struggle getting zeroed in I find is to ensure your rings and or bases arent secure.😂

@mountainview540 7 ай бұрын

Remington 760

@michaelyoder7329 7 ай бұрын

1 out of 3 men suffer from ZD Talk to your range master and see if loctite is right for you Stay on target with blue loctite

@danielback3236 7 ай бұрын

Ron, I would like to further follow up with Justin’s 243 comments. I have been searching high and low for this info. I have also had many deer killed with 243 cup and core and not 1 exit wound. (All dead though) But for my son I wanted the best possible chance for him to have success and he loves shooting that 243. Most of our shots are less than 100 yards. I have heard that copper bullets sometimes will not work unless you hit something hard, and I can find all kinds of info on minimum velocities for long range hunting. But what about maximum velocities for too close. Would it be a mistake to select a copper bullet out of an overbite cartridge for ranges of 50ish yards? For now I have some partitions to try, but I would love to hear your opinion on this. Thanks

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

Dan, there is a lot of misinformation and conjecture re. all copper bullet performance -- and many different copper bullets that perform differently at various impact velocities. Many of the complaints of failure to expand are, I think, misinterpretations of the evidence. Many of the deer, elk, antelope, etc. I've shot with various coppers show a small exit hole, suggesting poor expansion. But examination of internal organs shows considerable to massive hemorrhaging. Last week I shot a big whitetail doe through the ribs from 155 yards with a 6.5 CM. The exit hole was about 2x6 inches. Top of heart and both lungs hit. 124-gr. Hammer bullet. The simple reality is that the closer the hit, the higher the bullet's velocity and the greater its energy. Expansion should be maximized, not minimized. It is fluid entering the nose hollow that initiates expansion, so nothing hard needs to be hit. I took a whitetail with a 75-gr. .243 bullet (Barnes TSX) from inside 80 yards. The buck did not last long. Perhaps a 15-yard dash and done. Since the early 1990s I've had two copper "failures" that I blamed on failure to open. One was with .284 Barnes original that manufacturer acknowledged was an improper copper alloy. Two shots killed the mule deer anyway. The second was a prototype Winchester copper that appeared to have failed top expand on a TX axis buck. A second shot finished it. My take away is that some coppers can and do sometimes fail to expand properly, but then I've know all bullets to somehow "fail" in one way or another.

@completesystemfailure4669 6 ай бұрын

I wonder how Nolan Ryan is effected by Coriolis . Is he stuck with the fastball at the equator ?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 6 ай бұрын

Not at all. The distance is too small to register Coriolis effect.

@completesystemfailure4669 6 ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thank you Ron . I love the show . I'm gonna watch them all .

@WayStedYou 7 ай бұрын

Sounds like they forgot to tighten everything on their scope in the first place too

@kenpoorman5945 7 ай бұрын

A 1917 30/06 isn't obscure in my opinion

@teddahrable 7 ай бұрын

Nope. I have 2 P-17s. A Remington and an Eddystone. Also, have all three P-14s to round out the collection. Of course, they are now chambered in .303Br Improved, bringing them to exceed 30-06 factory loads.

@kenpoorman5945 7 ай бұрын

@@teddahrable Cool

@edwardabrams4972 7 ай бұрын

No but they are getting a lot harder to find in any type of good shape! 60+ year collector and used is getting harder until the economy get worse when people have to sell them

@kenpoorman5945 7 ай бұрын

@@edwardabrams4972 Yes And as long as people don't give them up to buy back programs. For a couple mezzly worthless dollars.

@williamthomas3620 7 ай бұрын

Dusty's story is a classic tale of ignorance compounded by stupidity wrapped in incompetence. Read and FOLLOW instructions.

@dodgyass11 7 ай бұрын

80% of the probs i see at the range are lose scopes

@scottstruif3939 7 ай бұрын

No one who makes money publishing content on the Internet has a leg to stand on when criticizing the use of the Internet to express opinions on incidents such as the Von Benedikt vs. Cox incident.

@jamespowell7609 7 ай бұрын

Cool

@mqeqeshe1 7 ай бұрын

The need for new content can drive these guys to do unethical stuff. I’ve seen it several times with fishermen on instagram. They fish closed areas, trespass on private property, photoshop other people’s fish into their own hands, and/or use illegal methods to catch big fish. All because they’re desperate for new exciting content. I agree they shouldn’t be immune from criticism when they rely on public opinion for their platform.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

Scott, I wonder if perhaps you've misinterpreted what I've said and written. My complaint is about people gossiping on the internet, sharing inaccurate information, and, worst of all, causing sorrow and misery and potentially ruining reputations based on limited and often inaccurate information. There have been many examples of this, the ugliest resulting in bullied teenagers committing suicide over nasty internet gossip. Sharing information on products and techniques, hunts and observations about rifles and ammo on the internet is not the same as savaging people on the internet. Don't you agree? I suggest we all can and should learn from the mistakes of others, even condemn those mistakes, but I don't think it serves anyone if we publicly condemn the potential sinner. I think the Bible has some good advice on hating the sin but not the sinner.

@scottstruif3939 7 ай бұрын

Ron, there was no misinterpretation. You said people shouldn’t use the Internet to share information and opinions which may be wrong.

@danhandke5012 7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@Jay-mv7xv 7 ай бұрын

Goofy can be fun and entertaining! Too much wears thin and can affect attention spans. I want to watch your vids, not use them for background noise! Keep up the great vids with short bouts of goofiness and levity! Btw, after hearing your singing voice, have you ever considered doing a musical video? Like all the popular tv series. 😂