3D PRINTED TIRES... Will They Last??

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@graealex 2 жыл бұрын

You could do a silicone mold of the resin printed tire, and then cast it with flexible polyurethane. That would probably be the most wear resistant part that hobbyists can make themselves.

@TheRedstonelabz1 2 жыл бұрын

plus you can make a tire in a few minutes instead of waiting for it to print.

@ronnetgrazer362 2 жыл бұрын

Plus the ability to make composites: Add a fibre core, although this would make more sense for cast timing belts. Or mix in fibres with desirable properties. Plus the option for double-shot molding: For instance 98A for the inner rim, 92A for the tread. Or simply cast the tire around the hub.

@graealex 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronnetgrazer362 Okay let's not get crazy.

@ronnetgrazer362 2 жыл бұрын

@@graealex I say, let's! Absolute overkill for one-offs, sure, and for very demanding applications maybe you should be looking at professionally (mass-)produced parts, but neither of us thinks it's outside the scope of the determined hobbyist to cast some custom wheel sets for, say, a low volume kit campaign. Relatively speaking, my suggestions don't add a lot of complexity if you're already taking the home-casting route.

@graealex 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronnetgrazer362 The guys at "Easy Composites Ltd" here at KZfaq already do a pretty good job of that.

@bowieinc 2 жыл бұрын

Would be neat to see a store bought RC tire with same size and tread compared with tpu. Good video. Thanks.

@Nobody-Nowhere 2 жыл бұрын

This also shows how microplastics are actually created. By friction.

@k20nutz 2 жыл бұрын

It's one of the ways and also tire emissions are also often overlooked when talking about vehicle emissions and I've always wondered why.

@velikdole9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@k20nutz That haven't been any scientific study that prooved that microplastic that tire pollution is harmful for the health. The have been multiple studies that prooved that diesel and petrol exhaust cause cancer, strokes, depression, alzhaimer and Parkinson disease and inteligence reduction..

@k20nutz 2 жыл бұрын

@@velikdole9712 That doesn't really have anything to do with what I said because regardless of harm (I don't believe your stated lack of harm, but carrying on) it's still an emission.

@velikdole9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@k20nutz Afcourse it have to do with what you said. Yes, it is an emission which is MUCH MUCH less harmful than diesel and petrol exhaust. And that is my whole point. And tire particle emission is almost the same or the same for electric and for diesel or petrol car (Tesla model 3 weight actually LESS than comparable petrol BMW M3).

@velikdole9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@k20nutz So to answer your previous question why the tire emissions are often overlooked? Because they are MUCH MUCH less harmful for the health. That's it. It is totally normal to focus on much mure harmful things firs (like diesel and petrol exhaust).

@VinayVarsani 2 жыл бұрын

Tom Scott recently posted a similar video but related to asphalt wear but the machine used there could serve as inspiration for improvements

@Blu11sonic 2 жыл бұрын

Inspired by one of RCLifeOn's videos I 3D printed my own 130mm tires for my electric longboard. I've ridden it about 500 miles without needing replacements.

@internettoughguy 2 жыл бұрын

I find it hard to believe that TPU can be that durable.

@trevorcrain9620 2 жыл бұрын

@@internettoughguy are you familiar with printing tpu?

@internettoughguy 2 жыл бұрын

@@trevorcrain9620 Never tried printing it.

@viko207 2 жыл бұрын

Did you print them solid? Or thick walls with infill? Can you share more details, do they absorb vibrations, do they cause vibrations? im interested in doing the same.

@Blu11sonic 2 жыл бұрын

@@viko207 I don't remember the exact infill % but didint print them solid. I think it was around 75% or a bit over and I think it was around 5 outer perimeters? The more outer perimeters you have the longer the wheel will last. I can't really say about the vibrations but They roll over everything on the road and the ride overall is way better. I've ridden without them maybe twice.

@sdicous 2 жыл бұрын

i believe the resin got more wear because it was the leading tire removing objects for the rear tire. a better test would be to do a 360 clockwise then have it run a 360 anti clockwise etc etc

@joeyhillers9460 Жыл бұрын

I remember when I was in High School, we got the great idea to build a Full Size Big Wheel. I learned a lot during that particular building and explored the basics of how different it is compared to typical manufacturing. One thing that I will say is that TPU tires do work relatively well, but you absolutely need to print with high infill, and you almost have to create brand new designs for the tires themselves. We tested ours with standard bicycle tubes, was an 18" wheel, lasted around 40 miles before it blew out. So, it is possible

@cet4717 2 жыл бұрын

I see one problem, when you put it in dirty or rocky surface the first tire clears out the surface or makes it smoother for the other tire to go on. For a solution you can extend one the placement for one of the tires.

@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын

not entirely sure why he went with testing both at the same time. it would solve so many problems had he tested them one at a time although the results would be indistinguishable anyway

@cet4717 Жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeTsiros he probably did that because he wanted them to be tested on the same weather

@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын

😑

@andresouza2314 2 жыл бұрын

in general, TPU is by far my favorite material. Very resistant and durable.

@danriches7328 2 жыл бұрын

Mine too and it prints beautifully on my crappy anet a8, actually better than pla. I don't understand this but a new printer just so I can print tpu, you can print in tpu ridiculously easily. I printed tires with it and they're awesome! What awesome things have you printed with tpu?? Edit: his printer was a Bowden extruder, my pet hate for extrusion for many reasons...

@wowLinh 2 жыл бұрын

Would you mind putting the link to the flexible resin you used?

@Shocker99 Жыл бұрын

Nice idea. Your test methods could have been sightly better though. - Store bought TPU wheel added to the comparison as the control - The wheels were independent of each other. The snapped wheel hub happened for a reason. It clearly shows that the motor speeds were different and maybe some misalignment with the mounting. So one wheel was probably pushing and the other was dragging. I'd like to see a part 2 where your testing methods are better and with the control. :)

@Mark-hb5zf 2 жыл бұрын

It would have been interesting to test PLA+ just for the heck of it, simply due to the fact that's probably the most common filament sold. Not so much about comparing it to TPU, more about if it was 'good enough'. TPU really hung in there, even the resin wasn't to shabby.

@stradedigital3725 9 ай бұрын

Kiss braking goodbye... PLA+ tires would be like driving on ice. Dafok m8?!? Of course you need TPU. Heck, even TPE with 83A durometer would be more appropriate. if it was just durability everyone would drive on stainless steel tires HAHA

@IndraKurniawan-vk2qb 2 жыл бұрын

Love to see you back man

@Visiorary 2 жыл бұрын

Thinking about the infill density and how it could be used to affect spongy response with RC cars. Way cool!!

@RaphYkun 2 жыл бұрын

Like a tweel?

@partsdave8943 2 жыл бұрын

Nicely done. Intrigued me that it wore the groove into the gravel. I thought it would be too light weight for that. Perhaps it’s heavier than I thought.

@KilroggWOW 2 жыл бұрын

A load would have been good to add to see weighted ware unless you plan on a base of only a few pounds.

@3DPrinterAcademy 2 жыл бұрын

at 2:00 i knew immediately you would be moving the clips to the front😂 i've made that mistake too many times lol

@RTproductions499 2 жыл бұрын

Thought exactly the same 😂

@Peter-898 2 жыл бұрын

My first printer was also a one up! What a mess haha, im still using some of those steppers though. I'm glad printers have progressed so much since then

@thetimo0060 2 жыл бұрын

My first 3D printer was the QUBD Two-Up. I had completely forgotten about it.

@ethanscoma9313 2 жыл бұрын

the saw box cutter hahaha

@jbergene Жыл бұрын

You can also resin print flexible materials.

@markgordon4368 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative thanks 😊

@Ozzy3333333 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Couple points: Should of angled the tires in the direction of travel. (front tire driving out and rear driving in, constant slip angle, but in opposite directions) One of the motors probably had more speed, thus driving harder and more wear.

@HenrikOlander 2 жыл бұрын

You should have a little resistance also, like something dragging behind . And only test one type at the time, that would be really interesting! Thanks for a good video!

@graealex 2 жыл бұрын

2:00 Yes it's crazy how far they've come. I even heard there are printers out there which don't use this shitty mechanism to mount the build plate. And if it isn't clear - one big problem here is inconsistent heat transfer due to pressure only being applied at the edges.

@lobsterbark 2 жыл бұрын

This is barely an issue, even heating on the bed doesn't effect the print in any noticable way.

@graealex 2 жыл бұрын

@@lobsterbark Of course it is an issue, at least for high-performance materials. Obviously it doesn't matter with PLA.

@lobsterbark 2 жыл бұрын

@@graealex If you are printing something that sensitive you should be using a heated chamber, using either a core xy or a delta, depending on build volume. Even nylon isn't that sensitive though, you would be doing something very special to need that.

@graealex 2 жыл бұрын

@@lobsterbark What kind of rubbish are you trying to tell here? Uneven heating means uneven shrinking, and that will already affect ABS prints. And a heated chamber reduces the gradients, but for most practical purposes, the heated bed will still be at a higher temperature. And before you write more rubbish, maybe just Google for people having problems from unevenly heated beds. Because there are plenty.

@lobsterbark 2 жыл бұрын

@@graealex ABS isn't commonly used for printing anymore because it's so sensitive to that kind of stuff with no benefits vs other now common materials. It's one of the few materials where that actually does matter. I've been building and using 3d printers for almost a decade now, this has been my personal experience. Uneven bed heating really doesn't matter with any common material.

@stutterpunk9573 2 жыл бұрын

Won my sub in 15 seconds, and the rest of the video didn't disappoint

@grummanschumann6475 2 жыл бұрын

you should try printing the wheels with different grain angles! side of the wheel face down, the gripping side of the wheel down, then at a 45 angle? i wonder how large the differences in wheel lifetime would be!

@vedantkulkarni6971 2 жыл бұрын

What is the shore hardness of the TPU you used here?

@DenysSene 2 жыл бұрын

nice test. I don't know if the battery was enough load for the tires, but that's one thing you might improve for next time

@k20nutz 2 жыл бұрын

That extrusion is reasonably heavy.

@ModitRC 2 жыл бұрын

I made TPU sand paddles for my Rustler. Use them at 65mph. They are holding up just fine, all things considered.

@CCross777 2 жыл бұрын

Add a solar panel on it so it continues running!

@Ratrazor 2 жыл бұрын

You know this guy's got some badass 3D printed guns

@theoverlord3839 Жыл бұрын

People walkin through your yard are gonna think this is something out of signs looking at those circles

@ErCanEverything 2 жыл бұрын

Good video👍🤝🤝🤝

@CoffeeTech101 2 жыл бұрын

You should try using flexpla. Its a bit stiffer than tpu but you can print it using normal pla settings and speed.

@james10739 2 жыл бұрын

I'm just glad you spell tires correctly I'm not sure how words like that and color get mixed up in English

@amtechprinters3339 2 жыл бұрын

How much Siraya Tenacious got hardened due sunlight? Ive heard its not staying flexible when further curing by sun

@mleko5procent 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video! In this configuration one wheel is pushing, one is pulling. The stress distribution is different in both cases - the pushing wheel is pressed stronger against the ground. Have you considered alternating the driving direction?

@RTproductions499 2 жыл бұрын

Also the speed between the 2 motors may not be exactly the same, causing slip on the wheels which also may not be distributed equaly between the wheels

@romanmgelman 2 жыл бұрын

Fun video. I love guessing which one will win!

@smokeduv 2 жыл бұрын

It was a great test video, and for a crawler style RC it would be enough, but for most RC cars that go a lot faster, grip is more important, so I'm more interested in the amount of grip these tires can get. Also, I'd like to know how much harder the resin tire got, because I have a similar resin and they get quite hard (although not as hard as standard resins), so I haven't tried printing a tire out of it

@royaldecreeforthechurchofm8409 2 жыл бұрын

Zero grip lol

@IncendiaryMedia 2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious if/how the performance of the TPU tire would change by annealing it

@darkshadowsx5949 2 жыл бұрын

i been using tpu filament in a bowden extruder with very little issues. once in a great while the filament pops out of the extruder stepper gears. but that can be solved with a better stepper driver housing.

@littlepastelkitten 2 жыл бұрын

you basically built a road materials testing machine. nice! also I have had great results printing tpu on my cr10

@lordmmx1303 2 жыл бұрын

that Kywoo sounds like if Daewoo was found by Mr. Ky :D :D

@Vaeloron 2 жыл бұрын

I print a lot of TPU on my stock ender 3 with it's bowden extruder. Never had a failed TPU print. Nice test.

@timk6909 2 жыл бұрын

What is this wizardry. I have ender 3 pro.. then again I’ve never tried tpu lol

@mrdumbfellow927 2 жыл бұрын

Same here, however I did change the bowden tube to tighter tolerance Capricorn and did some of the mods to the feed assembly to make it easier. All easy stuff and well worth it.

@wingzerothree Жыл бұрын

I would like to see the most important test for RC cars specifically: high RPM and ballooning. how long till the tire tears or shreds compared to a regular RC tire.

@mohammadaboonajmi2927 Жыл бұрын

i need download link of that tires

@jamessowin2505 2 жыл бұрын

At the end when you say it has a dire t drive so it can print any filament. You should have said. It can print any stiffness of filament.

@noahhill799 2 жыл бұрын

What is work plane of the 3d printer?

@JeffDM 2 жыл бұрын

TL smoothers were made specifically for TI's DRV chips. I don't understand how Allegro drivers have that problem. None of my Allegro-based boards exhibited the salmon skin problem. But if you have that problem and TL smoothers fix it, I guess I can't argue with it.

@sinclairal 2 жыл бұрын

It's crazy how far printers have come....then proceeds to put bed on with paper clips. Hahaha

@nosoupforyou425 2 жыл бұрын

Did you rotate and balance them every 3 hours of use ?

@JimMaz 2 жыл бұрын

What if the resin had more wear because of better grip?

@vondernasah6164 2 жыл бұрын

That's the stuff

@JeromeDemers 2 жыл бұрын

I thought this was rctestflight videos until I heard your voice 😂

@ninjaarcades7356 Жыл бұрын

Nice video How does the tpu tyres work grip wise 🤔

@hunterrrwlodarczyk476 2 жыл бұрын

What resin printer are you using?

@conradrolla 2 жыл бұрын

The resin printed tire wearing out I think mean its softer, if that is true could it have more grip. I'm thinking the difference between soft grippy racing tires and harder normal tires. while they wear out fast could mean they are getting more traction just some thing to think about maybe test.

@user-lf2sx3pg2e Жыл бұрын

It could be interesting to do the same test using rubber-like resins like the F69 from Resione...

@beyondthecutcreations9391 2 жыл бұрын

@ 5:30 I can only think this would be awesome as Zen Garden Sand machine. Alot more engineering in that but hey you'll have a saleable product and millions of views.. like a Sisyphus but for the garden..

@mickelloh257 2 жыл бұрын

Surely the front one would have gotten more wear did you swap them during the testing?

@JFML1974 2 жыл бұрын

the the test to be done with pressure or with weight that you press to see the real wear

@kingmasterlord 2 жыл бұрын

this design of printer seems perfect for a belt printer

@jasonms8951 2 жыл бұрын

You didn't mention the durometer of either material used in the tires. All other things being constant, the softer the durometer, the better grip you will have with the tire, but the more quickly it will wear. I'm also not seeing any links to the materials used.

@evanyang1969 2 жыл бұрын

i printed 4 98a tpu tirells for electric skateboard from thigiverse in order to increase wheel diameter from 90mm to 105mm，they worked fined for 100+kilometers，they take about 1 week to print on ender 3 with 50% speed，no infill all wall lines，100kms later only outer layers worn slightly（about 5 layers each 0.16mm）

@jaro6985 2 жыл бұрын

How is the grip? Can probably get away with

@stellablaze7979 2 жыл бұрын

Hew, what screwdrivers do they use? 3:22 specifically, the metal handled ones.

@patrickfle9172 2 жыл бұрын

_this_ is how the aliens made corn circles 😄

@Produkt_R 2 жыл бұрын

It could be one motor was spinning a tad faster than the other one, making the one with the slower motor being dragged along more. Better test would be both driven by the same motor.

@jcsingle21 2 жыл бұрын

It’s not difficult to print TPU. You just have to slow it down and minimize/no retractions on Bowden tube

@jcsingle21 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbrown1617 when I mean slow, its like 40mm/s. I have a FLSUN SR and ender3v2 and both are bowden. I can print it. its easier with direct drive for sure.

@kevinerickson2595 2 жыл бұрын

Problem is I would say 97. % of the time I drive xmax the tires are spinning not just slow roll

@SK-me9by Жыл бұрын

No one drives their RC car that slow Test are inconclusive. Also what TPU shore hardness did you test in?

@deOliveiraFilipe 2 жыл бұрын

Crop circles mystery solved

@storkmany 2 жыл бұрын

Hi! What's the audio started ~ 1:15 ? 🙏

@GeorgeTsiros Жыл бұрын

do you have an estimate for the _overall cost_ for a set of 4 of those not-completely-stiff tires? like if i asked you how much would you want for a set of 4, how much would it cost you over all (material, electricity, time, effort) ? the stiff ones would be kinda better for offroad the rubbery ones would _probably_ be better for onroad RCCs

@chrisalbertson5838 Жыл бұрын

The cost of the materials the power is very small. Maybe $3.50 per tire at most. But the cost to custom design the parts is laor intensive and people typically can charge $100 per hour. The best wheel design uses a metal hub. I like to use steel about 20 mm diameter with threads for set screw. Then over then goes a PLA/PET wheel and then a TPU "tire" and the parts are glued together. Yes you NEED the steel hub as it ti the hole in the wheel where the motor shaft goes that usually fails over time.

@arandomgentleman3051 2 жыл бұрын

They work for my lawnmower. Im in south texas though, so there are things to deal with of your going to leave it outside.

@jakegarrett8109 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of a riding mower and like whoa, this guy has way too much money and time to print that...

@gacherumburu9958 Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@mikebriggs2k 2 жыл бұрын

Rokenbok! That is all, good day.

@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one - but what hardness was this TPU?

@jaro6985 2 жыл бұрын

Most TPU is quite hard, he's probably using something 90-95A

@martinmckee5333 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaro6985 I was going to say the same. Unless specifically specified, I just assume 95A.

@NicholasRehm 2 жыл бұрын

Glad that fat tire wasn’t left out of the list

@michaelrechtin 2 жыл бұрын

It’s arguably the most important

@treashurehunter800 2 жыл бұрын

If you decide to make a offset ladder of wear in new treads as the old treads wear away the only thing I ask for my ideal is to name the design: monkey toe.😁thanks

@Oilshock Ай бұрын

Still planning on making that rover?

@bobcog0001 3 ай бұрын

Couldn't you have used a dremmel to test the durability of the tires?

@maximman102n7 2 жыл бұрын

Thru look like tetrix max all terrain tires for robotics

@tennicktenstyl 8 ай бұрын

all you tested was abrasion resistance, not grip, damping characteristics and such.

@ryanchappell5962 2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s funny when people say things are “built like a tank” Tanks are unbelievably strong. Much stronger than most people realize.

@jakegarrett8109 2 жыл бұрын

Built like an (item that requires a field engineer to repair).

@xgurrolaxed3328 2 жыл бұрын

Should of the switched the wheels to see if that made any difference

@bowieinc 2 жыл бұрын

Crop circle ⭕️ generation machine.

@sammy_1_1 2 жыл бұрын

Alt title: Toby McGuire gets into 3D printers, makes tires to abuse.

@GoingtoHecq 2 жыл бұрын

The resin is much better at turning into micro plastics.

@Enjeenier 7 ай бұрын

80% of tpu can be printed on bowden tube printers no-problem

@Jkauppa 2 жыл бұрын

instead of solid wheels, make flexible flap wheels

@carstenfahldieck5314 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. The result of the test is not right and not false. You must repeat the test, but you must chance the position from the wheels. Only chance the wheels not the motors. motor 1 ist a little bit faster as the other. The lower motor brake the wheel and this is not good. Or you build a testversion with a single drive motor an transmition on boths wheels.