4.3L VORTEC V6 VS 4200 ATLAS INLINE 6 (VORTEC VS AMERI-BARRA)

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

3 жыл бұрын

BOOSTED JUNKYARD TEST-AMERI-BARRA VS VORTEC!!! 4.3L VS 4.2L!! WHICH OTHER GUYS 6-CYLINDER MAKES MORE? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU COMPARE A JUNKYARD VORTEC 4.3L V6 TO THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER, 4.2L ATLAS (AMERI-BARRA) INLINE 6? NOT ONLY DID WE RUN BOTH THE JUNKYARD MOTORS ON THE ENGINE DYNO IN NEAR STOCK TRIM, BUT WE ALSO ADDED BOOST TO BOTH COMBOS TO SHOW HOW WELL THEY RESPONDED TO POSITIVE PRESSURE. IT'S THE BATTLE OF THE SIXES!! THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO THEY COMPARE?

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@mikesabota2570
@mikesabota2570 Жыл бұрын
GM discontinuing that Atlas engine was a huge mistake...
@EffequalsMA
@EffequalsMA 3 жыл бұрын
I ran my 4.3 in a g10 for over twenty years...it leaked everything and had compression all over the map but absolutely would not die. It didn't smoke or gave any problems...i loved it.
@hyattbusbey3563
@hyattbusbey3563 3 жыл бұрын
A small block chevy will run poorly longer than most engines will run
@EffequalsMA
@EffequalsMA 3 жыл бұрын
@@hyattbusbey3563 I picked 1989 for the van bc first year efi and a turbo 400 and corporate 10 bolt still...plus the 4.3 over the 305 for mileage.....
@nickking1510
@nickking1510 3 жыл бұрын
Theses motors are great in boats also reliable and great fuel economy
@Parents_of_Twins
@Parents_of_Twins 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad had a 302 like that. By the time we stopped driving it the compression was so bad that you couldn't park the truck on a hill. Amazingly it still started really easily even in Wisconsin winters.
@SoulTouchMusic93
@SoulTouchMusic93 3 жыл бұрын
@@hyattbusbey3563 bruh! I lost my shit at this!
@dilsher12
@dilsher12 3 жыл бұрын
Richard if you like the 4.3, you'll love testing newer Direct Injected LTx based 4.3 V6 they make as much power as old 5.3 truck engines .
@GIGABACHI
@GIGABACHI 3 жыл бұрын
Y E S ! I hope he snatches one in the near future and mod it to the Moon and back.
@richvandervoort2950
@richvandervoort2950 3 жыл бұрын
Testing of LV3 would likely be very close to the 4.2. However they are not yet at pick a part prices.
@jeremypike9153
@jeremypike9153 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the new 4.3 tested
@SyTySpeedShop
@SyTySpeedShop 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly GM has now dropped the 4.3 V6 and made the 2.7T the std engine with 5.3/6.2 as options. So am LV3/LV1 will probably never get to pick a part prices, but they have a ton of potential as well!
@Shiftheads
@Shiftheads 3 жыл бұрын
I'm hoping as well. You can buy wrecked cars with them pretty cheap
@captainsledge7554
@captainsledge7554 10 ай бұрын
I started swapping a 4200 into an s197 mustang, just to be different and male some ford guys mad. But the more I learn, the more fun this builds gonna be.
@MrTL3wis
@MrTL3wis 25 күн бұрын
Great combo. Look, anyone can build a stock engine or stick in an LS. I like the fact you're getting a little kinky with it and you're going to have a very fast/cool car when you're done. Keep grindin'!
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 3 жыл бұрын
What I learned is how sweet the 4200 sounds at full revs! Beautiful!!! :) I never cared for the sound of the v6 :(
@weskirkland5850
@weskirkland5850 9 ай бұрын
Sounds like a truck. as it should.
@adamwebster9784
@adamwebster9784 4 ай бұрын
Same
@techtard829
@techtard829 2 жыл бұрын
Although I love both engines and have put 250k+ miles on each, the LL8 4200 is on a different playing field.
@supercoupe28
@supercoupe28 3 жыл бұрын
I vote, Richard gets the 4.3 heads ported. Whose with me?
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
The L35 and L31 specs were the same, the LU3 is better, but you can look at afr or trickflow sbc vortec heads for ideas
@SyTySpeedShop
@SyTySpeedShop 3 жыл бұрын
I have a set of ported 4.3 96+ vortec heads with 2.00/1.570 valves and they flow 266/192. Brodix aluminum 4.3 -10 heads flow the same with 2.08/1.60 valves, but have a lot of material you can remove to port them well over 300 cfm!
@davidwitcher5443
@davidwitcher5443 3 жыл бұрын
@@SyTySpeedShop How much power are you making? Any more specs on that engine?
@SyTySpeedShop
@SyTySpeedShop 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidwitcher5443 275 cube 3.6 forged crank.030 over custom cam, twin Wynjammer centrifugal Superchargers. Just about done building it, but looking for ~450AWHP and it’s going in my 98 Bravada with a TBSS transfer case.
@davidwitcher5443
@davidwitcher5443 3 жыл бұрын
@@SyTySpeedShop WOW!!
@bladenrexroth2555
@bladenrexroth2555 3 жыл бұрын
The 4.3 deserves some aftermarket. Be cool to see companies like Dart and PRI produce stronger blocks. SCAT and eagle produce a stroker kit. The 4.3 having a 5.0 equivalent would be a game changer for some motorsport with limited cubic inches. Put a gt45 on a 4.3🤘
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 3 жыл бұрын
GM still has some parts for the old small block V6 in their Performance Parts catalog. Back in the day, they had baby big block canted valve heads for it.
@ThatAintGud
@ThatAintGud 3 жыл бұрын
They used to about 20 years ago when the 4.3 was a popular circle track motor. All that support has just died over time. Hell, GM used to make an aluminum block with a 4.125 bore (small block 400 pistons).
@SyTySpeedShop
@SyTySpeedShop 3 жыл бұрын
Scat never had a stroker crank, it was a stoke stroke cast steel crank, eagle makes the only aftermarket h-beam rods available for the 4.3. There are still aftermarket parts available if you look around alittle harder and are willing to pay alittle more. There is a forged 3.60 stroke crank available, but again most aren’t willing to spend the money for it.
@bladenrexroth2555
@bladenrexroth2555 3 жыл бұрын
For all the support they had 20 years ago I couldn't find it. Pulled a 2.8 out of my 3rd gen and swapped in a 4.3. I was looking for aftermarket and only found the heads and cam. Which only did so much.
@apprenticefelix7740
@apprenticefelix7740 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jameshall4385
@jameshall4385 3 жыл бұрын
I have always loved both of those engines. I had an Astro van with 250,000 miles on it and currently a trailblazer with 200,000 miles and they both run awesome. If you change the oil regularly, they last forever
@Kcducttaper1
@Kcducttaper1 2 жыл бұрын
My next oil change in my Trailblazer will be right at 200,000. I do have to add a quart every thousand miles though. Not quite sure what's up with that, but I bought it with over 150,000 miles, so there's not much telling how the previous owner kept up with it. Still runs buttery smooth though!
@docsmallblock6584
@docsmallblock6584 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't think you can beat the reliability of the 4200! I always liked the jeep 4.0 and they are good engine's,but compared to the 4200 they ain't nothing! My trailblazer now has just over 300,000 miles and runs absolutely like new! Mine loses a court of oil here and there, don't know why or where it goes? It doesn't burn oil, it has no leaks I can see? But just an amazing engine, transmission as well! I tow my Camaro with it all over the place, no problem! Just an amazing engine!!!
@Kcducttaper1
@Kcducttaper1 2 жыл бұрын
@@docsmallblock6584 You're giving me hope for my Trailblazer! I just rolled over 200,000 miles on it and it runs like a champ! I've been very proactive in changing out ALL of the fluids (including transmission, diff, t-case, etc), so hopefully that will keep things running strong for several more years!
@Thesaurcery4U2C
@Thesaurcery4U2C 8 ай бұрын
​@@docsmallblock6584 I had an 09 TB with 346k miles on it when I was T-boned in a crash, and it was totaled. I drove that thing back and fourth to 7 or 8 different states every 2 weeks for work towing a 5x8 enclosed job trailer for 8 + years prior to that. It had 90+?k miles on it when I bought it. Parts replaced are... Fan clutch... Lol. Of course I did. Water pump Passenger wheel bearing 02 sensor (upstream I believe) Front sway bar links Both rear gate shocks on window Radiator The Water pump Fan clutch and Radiator were all the same incident. I spent so much road time in that thing I would have put another motor or trans in it if I ever had too. It had the cloth seats, and pos interior door handle trim pieces, and I would get busy, and let my oil change light run on for too long after sometimes, but I loved my TB and I trusted it to take me anywhere, because it always did. I even pulled my sons buddy's 4wd Duramax diesel out of a stuck in the mud situation. We gave that kid so much sht afterwards for quite a while after that little thing pulled that pretty damn heavy, and large truck out. Someone wrote "Duramax Towing $25 for 25 feet" on the dirty rear door of my TB to remind him I never did volunteer to him, the mechanics behind a kinetic snatch strap I bought a GMC sierra afterwards for a work vehicle. Last year I bought a 06 TB LZ? if i remember? It was a good deal and I didn't need it at all, but I wanted it. All leather, Bose stereo, rear DVD, heated 1 & 2 position memory seats, interior is almost perfect, it even still had the factory DVD remote control, with 164k miles for $1500 due to needing wheel bearing & cv shaft. I still had my old TB out back, will a fairly new front wheel bearing assy, and a CV axle, that was just fine. I decided to take it on a 1820 mile round trip for job, with same trailer, after driving it around home for a few hundred miles and trusting it. One of the guys who I took out with me was happy as hell when I did this, as he had several thousands of memories living in the old TB. The seats were MUCH better, and I was looking at a different color hood when staring at the road. It didn't smell like cigarette butts and old rear door carpet beer spills or fast food trash bags, smelly ass dudes who worked 12 hrs, bar room hook ups and / or regrets. But it was good enough. And very familiar.
@enricopallazzo3244
@enricopallazzo3244 8 ай бұрын
@@Kcducttaper1How’s it going now? I just bought a 2002 w/100k miles. It runs as smooth as my 2019 Acura RDX. You guys are giving me hope I can stretch my $2900 to 150k miles or more.
@stewartgriffin3192
@stewartgriffin3192 3 жыл бұрын
I actually dislike the 4.3. The 4.2 was awesome. I had one at 308k when rust and the sunshell took it out. It still ran perfect. My buddies Saab 9-7x was at 280xxx when it was totaled (he bought it at 130k) and it still ran perfect with 0 engine problems through the time he owned it. The 4.2 was one of the best engines Isuzu ever gave GM. Aside from the Duramax.
@inspector13jjf
@inspector13jjf 3 жыл бұрын
Love my little 4.3L V6. On an engine dyno it made 276hp @ 5600 & 306lb-ft @ 4200 naturally aspirated with 8.7:1 compression, stock N/A manifolds/Y-pipe & an untuned 850cfm carb on 91 octane fuel. Shop that built it said it'll handle 30psi of boost which I plan on testing out.
@nedaCFilms
@nedaCFilms Жыл бұрын
The 4.3 Vortec V6 is an absolute workhorse ❤
@trashman1694
@trashman1694 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, love your videos showing these real world comparisons.
@InexorableOne
@InexorableOne 2 жыл бұрын
There really isn't enough about this little motor and building it. I love it!!
@user-cb3ti8qt1w
@user-cb3ti8qt1w 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Richard I was looking forward to that test for a while.
@hugieflhr03
@hugieflhr03 3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video Rich, keep up the good work and I would like to see more of the dyno runs. It’s just cool to see and hear what an engine is doing. That Atlas was silky smooth but I worry about the balance shaft cracking at high rpm.
@turbo_ivo
@turbo_ivo 3 жыл бұрын
thanks Richard. I hope we get to see the inline 6 maxxed out with the valvetrain sorted, e85, and any other necessary mods. 700hp or more i hope
@SoulTouchMusic93
@SoulTouchMusic93 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but for what it would cost to do that you could just get a v8 and be in the 4 digits range.
@lucaslirette7643
@lucaslirette7643 2 жыл бұрын
@@SoulTouchMusic93 nope. All thats needed is a reground cam and have been proven to hold over 700whp. Thise engines are incredibly durable and can make a lot of power for cheap. The 4200s can make around 550whp completely bone stock with a turbo. Stock pistons, heads, cam, valvetrain, bottom end, everything.
@klote82
@klote82 Ай бұрын
I can't believe I found a comparison video that showed exactly what I wanted to know! I want to buy a late 90s single cab S10 and put a 2jz in it but I'm strongly considering the 4200.
@kylecurry6841
@kylecurry6841 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah Richard! I was just thinking about these two GM blocks the other day, even though I'm sure the Atlas will dominate mod for mod on account of better air flow from the heads being dual-cam. Edit** you allowed for the V6 to have some gains (apples to oranges show down)
@jked7463
@jked7463 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't learn much new. Start with more, end up with more. But what was impressive was how smooth the 4.2 l even under boost at high rpms. Yes straight sixes are smooth, it was cool to see it under boost.
@BlackFlagHomestead
@BlackFlagHomestead 3 жыл бұрын
ive been dying to see this!!!!
@ItsDaJax
@ItsDaJax 3 жыл бұрын
I like the old 4.3 v6, my first car was a 91 S10 Blazer 4door and I thought I was hot shit with 160hp. Fell in love with it. Supposedly there was decent aftermarket at one time, but the engine was ignored, and GMs best effort with it, was the Sy/Ty, though they did put a bit more effort in 3.8s. What killed this thing was us Americans and our dumb ideology that v8s are the only way to make power. There used to be a 3.8 sn95 that ran 8s. I still want to build a 4.3 v6, hell it made 450 with a supercharger, cam, and intake.
@apexchaser8830
@apexchaser8830 3 жыл бұрын
I really dig your “other guy” tests, and would love to see a Ford 3.8/3.9 split port. These 3.8s are in 01-04 Mustangs. Many have done a 4.3 stroker (3.8 0.030 over and 4.2 crank from F150 4.2) so an interesting comparison could come from a split port 3.8-4.3 vs Vortec 4.3.
@fericyde
@fericyde 2 жыл бұрын
I can tell you from doing both a Coyote swap and now a Barra swap into a Fox chassis car (both 2000's), engine dimensions on DOHC applications really get in the way and are a problem. This even taking into consideration that the Fox engine bay is not small when hydroboost is used to clear some space. The Coyote swap was a tight fit -- but the Barra ... tall and long are not easy to overcome. This is why you see some people putting the radiator in the back of the car -- it's not just for balance, it's just that these motors are so damn long. Love your videos man, keep up the good work!
@ronnie2321
@ronnie2321 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some more 4200 testing.
@corvettezr19
@corvettezr19 3 жыл бұрын
I wish Chevy would make a inline 3.8 that would handle 10,000 rpm like many destroked Ford Barras do that would be sweet
@johncampbell5594
@johncampbell5594 2 жыл бұрын
they make a 3.5 inline 5
@InuranusBrokoff
@InuranusBrokoff 3 жыл бұрын
I like how this guy looks at engines in general, if it's good it's good. I don't understand the brand guys, all of this stuff is cool.
@MississippiDan1
@MississippiDan1 3 жыл бұрын
The 4.3 is an awesome engine... I had one in a van i bought used and thought it was a 5.7 till i tuned it up! Very strong little engine...but the 4.2 is a monster. 😮
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 3 жыл бұрын
The best testing on you tube!
@PANTYEATR1
@PANTYEATR1 3 жыл бұрын
i like that Atlas engine. I've been intrigued by it since the first time i saw it by changing the coil packs for a friend on her Trailblazer. i also have a wish list for the car manufacturers...make inline 6 and 8 cylinder engine!
@modeverything1
@modeverything1 3 жыл бұрын
Would like to see how the 3900 v6 would do instead of the 4.3l. The 3.9 has variable cam timing and better head flow!
@dondotterer24
@dondotterer24 3 жыл бұрын
The factory 4 barre on the 4.3l is heavy but tall. Probably able to modify and even outperform the Eldelbrock. I have modified the TBI intake to put a 2Jet carb on it. It ran great.
@Summit_Moto_Utah
@Summit_Moto_Utah 3 жыл бұрын
Love this show... dying to see 4200 big bang... what can the 4200 really make?
@hanktownsend7911
@hanktownsend7911 2 жыл бұрын
I WOULD LOVE THIS !!
@epicbuildzgarage4674
@epicbuildzgarage4674 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard it can make like 700 on the stock bottom end. I’ve got an envoy that I plan on putting twins on next summer
@michaelf.2449
@michaelf.2449 2 жыл бұрын
@@epicbuildzgarage4674 yep always heard the engine is good for 500hp daily
@michelleobamasthicccocc822
@michelleobamasthicccocc822 3 жыл бұрын
Configure a 4.2 to rev as high as possible. I wanna hear one scream for mercy
@scottm7341
@scottm7341 3 ай бұрын
The NA torque curve of the atlas is amazing!
@DayoftheJakeL
@DayoftheJakeL Жыл бұрын
I love this series. These engines are so common and cheap! Everyone around here has a an old trailblazer or jimmy etc sitting around.
@willsteele9249
@willsteele9249 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos on these two very underrated motors I don't know a whole lot about motors being that I am a cook but I have 2007 Chevy TB I love it so much by far my best vehicle I thought it made good power for a truck of its size and weight, my girlfriends 01 Chevy TB had 4.3 and it made good power too and your video confirmed my suspicion on both and that the 4.2 will make about 300+ hp NA! I will continue to take good care of it .By the way is there anything I can do help extend the life of my beloved 4.2 thanks! Btw just subscribed too 😁😁‼‼
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
WELCOME ABOARD
@Friedbrain11
@Friedbrain11 6 ай бұрын
I want to see the Atlas ran with the belt-driven supercharger. The torque curve of the Atlas at 8.3 boost is beautiful. That's where I would run it for the street.
@stevenstrawn5009
@stevenstrawn5009 3 жыл бұрын
Got me one of the new 4.3 2015 double cab. I got headers magnflow exhaust. With a tune replaced the flywheel with a upgrade, next will probably put 3.73 gears. Turbo maybee in the future but it runs good as is gets up n going. Its got 115k miles no issues even before the tune always changed the oil on time or early with a fuel treatment each oil change so the AFM was not issue no oil consumption, the 4.3 tends to stay in V6 mode more than the 5.3 stays in all 8.
@curtshelp6170
@curtshelp6170 Жыл бұрын
I would love the 4.2 if not for the head cracking issue. The later 4.3 would be an interesting base for a build given its stock 285 hp and 305 tq.
@JadXtreme
@JadXtreme 3 жыл бұрын
Richard would love to see what a set of old school aluminum bowtie heads on the 4.3. I had a set but sold them to someone in California a few years ago
@SyTySpeedShop
@SyTySpeedShop 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a big fan of the 4.3 V6 for many years, and currently building a 275 cube V6 with ported heads that flow 266/192 with twin Wynjammer centrifugal super chargers and long tube headers. Based on your test, my goal of ~450AWHP should be doable. Also, Brodix heads in -8 or -10 are readily available from Brodix, but they aren’t cheap at ~2300-2500 a set. You can also get a Pontiac high rise single plane intake, not as easy as the heads but they are out there. There is also a 3.60 stroke forged crank available for these which is how I got 275 cubes with it and a 4.030 bore. Keep the great videos coming!
@chrishansen7004
@chrishansen7004 3 жыл бұрын
Where do you find all those parts at? I can't find them anywhere
@SyTySpeedShop
@SyTySpeedShop 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrishansen7004 just got to know where to look!!
@professormadlad7773
@professormadlad7773 2 жыл бұрын
the 4.2l Atlas need more love ill love to see the crazy Hp numbers that people can get out of them.
@dodgincagers
@dodgincagers 3 жыл бұрын
I love these 6 cylinder comparisons, especially having had a few of the 4.3s. Compare the Chevy 292 inline 6 to the GMC 305 V6 from the 60s I have both of these. The big block V6 is in a stock 1965 pickup and the 292 I am going to build with a tri-power setup for a 1950 Chevy pickup.
@ItsDaJax
@ItsDaJax 3 жыл бұрын
Power Block built one of those 292s up once with a turbo.
@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit
@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading an article in Hot Rod back in the 90s, where a guy built a turbo 292 for his '37 Coupe, and that beautiful folder-tan machine ran 10s!
@andreroy8141
@andreroy8141 9 ай бұрын
I have a daily driver GMC Envoy with the 4.2 and 340k miles. I have owned both engines. By far the 4.2 has been better all the way around! I do like both as well, but as for durability. It's 4.2 all the way!
@Thesaurcery4U2C
@Thesaurcery4U2C 8 ай бұрын
Right on! I haven't yet seen another one with the miles like I had still going strong. Many 200k plus however. I had an 09 TB with 346k miles on it when I was T-boned in a crash, and it was totaled. I drove that thing back and fourth to 7 or 8 different states every 2 weeks for work towing a 5x8 enclosed job trailer for 8 + years prior to that, including Colorado on I-70 yanking that trailer up a 7 or 8% grade at 70 mph. It had 90+?k miles on it when I bought it. Parts that I replaced are... Fan clutch... Lol. Of course I did. Water pump Passenger wheel bearing Passenger CV axle 02 sensor (upstream I believe) Front sway bar links Both rear gate shocks on window Radiator The Water pump Fan clutch and Radiator were all the same incident. I spent so much road time in that thing I would have put another motor or trans in it if I ever had too. I never did question if that thing would get me there, because it never gave me a reason too. I was absolutely getting curious about how far that thing was going to go. No noticeable blow by. And what would make it the longest; = Motor or Trans. = Both factory stock. @346k. It had the cloth seats, and pos interior door handle trim pieces, and I would get busy, and let my oil change light run on for too long after sometimes, but I loved my TB and I trusted it to take me anywhere, because it always did. I even pulled my sons buddy's 4wd Duramax diesel out of a stuck in the mud situation. We gave that kid so much sht afterwards. lol I never did volunteer to him, the mechanics behind a kinetic snatch strap. HE... He.. he. I Replaced it with a 1500 sierra for work. 5.3 8 speed trans. Very nice. Last year I bought a 06 TB LZ? if i remember? It was a good deal and I didn't need it at all, but I wanted it. All leather, Bose stereo, rear DVD, heated 1 & 2 position memory seats, interior is almost perfect, it even still had the factory DVD remote control, with 164k miles for $1500 due to needing wheel bearing & cv shaft. I still had my old TB out back, will a fairly new front wheel bearing assy, and a CV axle, that was just fine. I just wanted it back. That's as close as I can get. We have been making friends with each other when I'm home.
@redram5150
@redram5150 3 жыл бұрын
It’d be near impossible to find one that isn’t trashed, but I’d love to see what’s possible with a 2.4 Twin Cam that GM used during the 90s and early 00s
@rdallas81
@rdallas81 2 жыл бұрын
The "quad 4" Used in Sunfire GT, Chev Cavalier 2.4 etc. Also used in Beretta GT and others.
@redram5150
@redram5150 2 жыл бұрын
@@rdallas81 if I had recommended the 2.3, I'd have written "Quad 4"
@jacobmoses3712
@jacobmoses3712 3 жыл бұрын
The aftermarket did support the V6 in the bad old gas shortage days. I think Gale Banks made a twin turbo kit for them. There was even a Smokey Ram intake available for it. I guess when fuel became plentiful again people stopped modifying V6 engines and went back to V8s
@MrBigR928
@MrBigR928 Жыл бұрын
I thought Edelbrock made heads for the 4.3 V6🤔 Those lil puppies are wicked when set up right! They sound like a pissed off Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engine when they're set up right😁👍🏿. Appreciate you having that 2005 4200, which is the one I have in my Trailblazer! I've gotta email ol'saint nick & tell him to drop me a turn off a small Garrett while he's in the neighborhood 😁🎅
@Blske9758
@Blske9758 2 жыл бұрын
I have always loved the 4.3 and the new design really pushed it over the top. BUT I have an Envoy with the 4.2 I have been driving for a few years now and love it now just a little more the. The 4.3 because of the bottom end. Between 1500 and 2500 rpm when towing. I have been heavily considering a small turbo setup to give just a little bit more on the bottom end. In 2005 the built a prototype 4.2 (I believe) it was twin turbo. 460 ft and torque. But they never produced it.
@misters2837
@misters2837 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the Vortec 4.3 V6 against Newest 4.3 V6 (EcoTec) it appears GM has "fixed" the airflow issues with the heads...(I saw some at a Local Machine shop and my response was What The H*** are those for?) The intake ports are HUGE compared to the Vortec!
@jackdaniels2657
@jackdaniels2657 3 жыл бұрын
That new 4.3 is garbage it's got direct injection its not as reliable. ND it doesn't sound as good as the earlier 4.3
@kylecurry6841
@kylecurry6841 3 жыл бұрын
Plus this comparison had the old vortec 4.3 with an 80's style carb+blow-thru which made power, but would have rather seen it done with EFI to which I'm sure most here would have thought it might have been tested prior to watching.
@misters2837
@misters2837 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackdaniels2657 That is a matter of Subjective Opinion. And I know of several that are in Fleet Trucks that seem to be reliable. What was actually "Trash" was the Atlas engine, many known Failures with that engine...Too Bad GM rushed it to market...
@jackdaniels2657
@jackdaniels2657 3 жыл бұрын
@@misters2837 those atlas otors are junk. If gm was smart they would've fixed the flaws instead redesigning a new engine with cost much more money. 4. 3 eco tec is junk trust me. Direct injection is garbage it always has a misfire u gotta constantly add injector cleaner. The only good thing bout that motor is nobody buys them
@jackdaniels2657
@jackdaniels2657 3 жыл бұрын
@@misters2837 the worst part is it has cylinder deactivation ND vvt that's just as bad as the lt4. Funny thing is the lt4 has all the new technology but still makes roughly the same. I mean if I took an ls motor nd got rid of powersteering pump I could gain 30 hp if I bumped the compression to the same as lt4 I'll get just as much power. The difference is longevity. The lsx motor was manufactured to go 500,000 the lt4 was manufactured for 250,000 that's why warranties now for power train are only good for 3 years or 36,000 miles where the lsx was good for 10 years or 100,000. Same thing with the 4.3 early model VS generation v 4.3
@Flies2FLL
@Flies2FLL 3 жыл бұрын
Back in 2002 in Orlando I was in my 928S2 5 speed one night, and this guy in a GMC Syclone wanted to race me. When we got onto 436 we both hit it and I was able to pull away from him. The 928 in question ran a 13.86 @ 105 at Bithlo speedway, it was 330 hp and about 3300 pounds. Back then that was pretty fast-
@TeckMonster
@TeckMonster 3 жыл бұрын
4.3L Vortec vs 4200 Vortec (4.2L i6) would be really cool to see. I have yet to see someone find the max power for the 4200 before it pops.
@LeeroyPwnkin
@LeeroyPwnkin 3 жыл бұрын
Cx racing does make a twin turbo kit for the 4.3 but as you were concerned reliability becomes a concern at that power level
@chuckfiero
@chuckfiero 3 жыл бұрын
It would be great to see the other "other guys" GM V6 compared here. The High Value 3.9. I think it would compare better to the "Amera Berra". Whiles still being a pushrod V6.
@PtheeGoon2011
@PtheeGoon2011 3 жыл бұрын
3.8 buick and 3.9 high value engine would be a good comparison
@chuckfiero
@chuckfiero 3 жыл бұрын
@@PtheeGoon2011 Richard could easily make these comparisons as he has already pulled and ran the 3800 SC. Which even the 3800 SC bone stock only matches the NA High Value 3.9 in power. It would be cool if he got cams and a set of ZZ heads for the 3800 just to see how good the 3800 could be.
@whitefreeman5798
@whitefreeman5798 11 ай бұрын
i really wish you could do low rpm test showing power and torque where most people drive engines around at.. helping people build efficient powerful trucks for working that wont be racing
@Rodster13
@Rodster13 Жыл бұрын
Thats awesome I love my trailblazer with the 4.2. It's one of my favorite engines. I also have a 2500 silverado with the 6.0 and I love that too but my dad had a 1500 silverado when I was younger with the 4.3 v6 and that definitely had some pep in its step. I'm surprised how low the power numbers are for the 4.3 I always thought they would have more considering how my dad's silverado performed.
@brandonwomack7474
@brandonwomack7474 2 жыл бұрын
I own a S10 with a race blue printed 4.3. yes I ported the heads and zero decked the block also. I trimmed the heads to a 10.5 compression ratio and kept the stock cam. This thing is a beast. Tranny had to be built to 4l85 standards to take it( tranny shop was pissed). It broke a 3.42 AUBURN GEAR HOUSING! It is hard to drive in the rain. It barks third gear DRY and does twelve inch wheel stands. These motors CAN BE BUILT for POWER. It also broke Dyno straps during great changes. They are no cocktail party joke!
@jacobhoke581
@jacobhoke581 2 жыл бұрын
It would be fun to see something like the newer gmc 3.6 V6 engines ran especially since they are so abundant in the junk yards now I know the twin turbo charged version on the Cadillacs can get up to 460 hp
@rediron44
@rediron44 3 жыл бұрын
I love the inline 6 engines. Have had 3 Jeeps with 4.0 inline 6s. Almost indestructible. Unbelievably dependable
@spacepope-1
@spacepope-1 3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to see that the new Supra can come with a straight 6. Purdy cool
@miamidangia5122
@miamidangia5122 2 жыл бұрын
@@spacepope-1 it come with a bmw i6
@stevefranklin9920
@stevefranklin9920 2 жыл бұрын
I understand that the newer 4.3 V-6 comes from the factory with 11 to 1 domed pistons and great flowing heads. This setup might change my mind for a compact street build! Still, a 4.3 Vortec with just a freshen up, cam upgrade, and of course some boost kicking out 450 ain’t nothing to laugh at!
@BrandonSolid
@BrandonSolid 3 жыл бұрын
I like both engines.
@jeremycolston8383
@jeremycolston8383 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard, if you can find one, I know in 94 GM had a better 4.3 that was in the s10 super sport. Not sure about the heads, and cam, but I do know they had tuned port injection. I used to have one. Wish I wouldn’t have gotten rid of it.
@mytmousemalibu
@mytmousemalibu 3 жыл бұрын
There used to be quite a fold of very high performance parts from GM Performance back in the day. Ive probably still have that or a Scoggin Dickey SDPC catalog kicking around somewhere. I think GM offered a 4.3L Bowtie block. I know they had some wild aluminum heads making the 4.3 a splayed valve head. Jesel shaft rockers, Hogan's sheet metal fabbed intake manifold, etc. GM might have had an "SB2" head for the 4.3. About all this was for certain NHRA Comp classes. Always loved the oddball stuff and loved seeing & hearing the occasional V6 or inline 6 powered comp eliminator rail or car! Very unique, cool, unmistakable sound of a mean 6 banger drag car! They made some wicked parts for them back in the day! Would love to see you test some of that stuff if you find anything Richard! I saw a little bit of it ages ago when I few V6 parts came to the engine shop I worked at. Patterson Racing! I can honestly say I played a role prepping parts for David Rampey's super comp SBC. Far as the awesome 4.3L V6 goes, remember the GMC Syclone & Typhoon were GM's fastest production vehicles at one time!
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
The lu3 is a stout block
@russelljackson7034
@russelljackson7034 3 жыл бұрын
Right on
@John1Brady
@John1Brady 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Maybe do a home "porting" on the heads comparison... "free" junk yard power
@itslegit7362
@itslegit7362 3 жыл бұрын
The engine was not built for power. It is already in it's home. Maybe later on he can pick one up and big bang it.
@thatoneguy454c
@thatoneguy454c 11 ай бұрын
The 4200 is legendary. I6 is just such a strong engine configuration. V6 is cool and all, but I'll take an i6 every time.
@james10739
@james10739 3 жыл бұрын
On the 4200 you should try honing them and putting in new rings or if they look good reuse them since you said you think compression is down
@jimparker7778
@jimparker7778 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the 1980s both NASCAR and even some Indycar teams used a few GM V6 engines. The 4.3 is a good base truck engine but it cannot compete with a multivalve DOHC engine of similar displacement.
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
I still see more 4300s on the road, reliable engine. You forget the Syclone/Typhoon
@jimparker7778
@jimparker7778 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowopsairman1583 I did not forget. I had a brand new 1988 S10 4.3 I bought in Sept 1988. Drove it 8 years. Kicked ass. Beat a lot of Mustang GTs with it.
@stevenstrawn5009
@stevenstrawn5009 3 жыл бұрын
I like the new 4.3 i think its great on the low end. Got one with headers magnflow exhaust, tune and upgraded flywheel. It runs great it does seem to lose its pull after 4500 rpm though where the v8's still have a little left in them but off the line my 4.3 with those few things feels stronger than a stock 5.3.
@brandonobaza8610
@brandonobaza8610 2 жыл бұрын
Love this content, Rich. It's like a "what if?" for us poor 6-cyl guys 😁 I have a 6MT Accord coupe with a J35Y2 and have pretty much given up on the idea of modding it. Just too much money and headache. It's my only car right now.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 жыл бұрын
turbo
@brandonobaza8610
@brandonobaza8610 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Yeeeess 😁 It's the only answer. I could use a limited slip and the traction control is a bit...aggressive, but 70 more hp to the ground would be beautiful
@justinschlaud9443
@justinschlaud9443 3 жыл бұрын
I vote for the same test but with LS 4.8 and the 4200 6. Both are closer to the same era of technology, with good flowing heads and can handle boost.
@2000freefuel
@2000freefuel 11 ай бұрын
Rich perhaps the answer to the heads and intake for the 4.3L are EDM cutting the OEM parts for better flow.
@themrjones
@themrjones 3 жыл бұрын
How did I miss this.
@Diamondsintherubble
@Diamondsintherubble 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I have been missing the live streams man. Started working construction a couple weeks ago so I’m up early and passed out early 😭
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
All good
@brettspaulding5855
@brettspaulding5855 3 жыл бұрын
Chevy built 18 degree heads and single plane manifolds for the 90 degree v6. They also produced a few different crank shafts as well as a raw crank forging through the Chevrolet performance catalog. It's been about 20 years though. Most of it was for imca racing and some off-road racers ran that stuff too. All the tricks that the small block received could be duplicated with the V6. There was also an aluminum splayed 4 bolt main block available. In theory you could build a 3/4 383 stroker using the parts from the bowtie catalog.
@brettspaulding5855
@brettspaulding5855 3 жыл бұрын
Evidently 310 cid seems to be the target size For these things. 650-675 horse is not out of the realm of possibility for a properly prepped race engine. I would expect that the off-road guys would de-tune for longer desert races.
@jacobmay7594
@jacobmay7594 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative, just need to find out what the compression ratios are, fuel used, peak timing, relative air fuel ratios, and any sort of internal engine specifications. I was glad the estimated size of the engine was mentioned; no actual dimensions needed for that.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
91 pump gas, AF and timing was optimized for each (no more hp to be had), all specs are available on line-the engine size is not estimated
@kelevra558
@kelevra558 2 жыл бұрын
Id like to see some duratec stuff Rich. Like that little 2.7 liter in the f150s. Test the EcoBoost setup, then convert to a single like gt35 or comparable. Even the 3.0 n/a duratec v6 in like the gen 1 escape, gen 1 fusion etc. I have a 3.0 duratec v6 in my sand rail. Its absolutely BOMB PROOF. They also have multi port injection with a common injector style and size. My issue is, theres NO aftermarket support as far as ecu upgrades. I put gen 2 coyote injectors in mine, walbro 450 with a OEM ford flex fuel sensor to run e85 and she makes 266 to the wheels through an adapted vw 4 speed transaxle. I have 3 spare engines i paid $180-$340 for. They have all the ingredients for impressive boost numbers. They rev high, the head castings are surprisingly unrestrictive and stout, the timing chain is identical to the 4.6 liter v8, and like i said, theyre actually good little engines. I beat the life outta mine and ive never thrown a rod, just head gaskets which is to be expected with 200k mile engines pegging limiter in 100° heat. Thanks for what you do buddy.
@kamranetemad4968
@kamranetemad4968 3 жыл бұрын
4.3 in my s10 behind manual trans is very reliable and peppy with more then 300 000.with reg maintenance they are very solid.
@Hutch.N2O
@Hutch.N2O 3 жыл бұрын
How about the 4.3L MFI vin W type L35 Has the CPI, And the Vortec logo with orange outline. I'd like to see a dyno comparison with the late 90s 4.3
@johnnydaymarine5609
@johnnydaymarine5609 3 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see you work on the 3.7 dodge v6, it’s just the 4.7 v8 with two cylinders cut off very similar to what gm did.
@rdallas81
@rdallas81 2 жыл бұрын
3.7 is a very good engine. Seen those with 400,000 miles and burn no oil.
@moonshinemenace6611
@moonshinemenace6611 3 жыл бұрын
It would be sweet just to switch the power adders on each motor and see the difference I know it's a lot of work so I need to know
@justingick9371
@justingick9371 3 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see compared to gen v 4.3 also
@collinator68
@collinator68 2 жыл бұрын
Come on Richard, you know darn well we all want to see a twin turbo LV3 ecotech3 V6 up on the dino, COME ON MAN! DO IT! Lol.
@pablojanski.2559
@pablojanski.2559 3 жыл бұрын
Brodix makes a heck of a head for the v6..
@hanzgrueber145
@hanzgrueber145 Жыл бұрын
One day I wanna swap the 3.9l transverse v6 in my 08 impala for a full rwd conversion with a 4.2 Atlas I6. Not going for anything crazy but it would scoot for sure, I just want it to swing circles in a cloud of smoke lol
@foch3
@foch3 2 жыл бұрын
Id like to see the 5th gen 4.3 vs the Atlas.
@dannycalley7777
@dannycalley7777 3 жыл бұрын
R.H. ................inline 6s making power on the 120 degree of power stroke, good for low end !!!!!!!!!
@sijonda
@sijonda Жыл бұрын
Excited to get a 2006-2007 4200 in my Wrangler build. Hope I can mate my built AX15 to one. Can't stand autos.
@TerminusHostilia
@TerminusHostilia 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure only second gen (after 2006?) 4200 Atlas motors had improved valves and exhaust ports. The first gen motors need a lot more detail work to squeeze all the power out of em.
@jordanv5400
@jordanv5400 2 жыл бұрын
mr Holdener do you know if the i6 has the same stupid timing belt on the rear of the motor like i5s from the Colorados have? if not sounds like I may have a new wish list project lol
@ssnerd583
@ssnerd583 3 жыл бұрын
that 4.2 has got my ATTENTION!! oi....a decent terbo and maybe some valve springs....thicker headgasket and BAM!!! or just NA with some mods and use for offroad ...mmmmmm....
@button-puncher
@button-puncher 3 жыл бұрын
It'd be hilarious if you could bolt up a set of AFR CNC head and an intake and just leave the unused cylinders hanging off the ends. Make a block off plate for the coolant passages. I love the 4.3L in my Astro van but I can't wait to get a 5.3L in it. If the 4.3L didn't have TBI, I'd cam it and tune it for fun but it's just not worth it when I've got 350HP for $400.
@thehighlife1320
@thehighlife1320 10 ай бұрын
If only an 18 or lower degree small port head can be produced and sold affordability, the option to make more power on 4.3 V6s or even 305s could be interesting.
@thunder_lloyd
@thunder_lloyd 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in the process of building a 4.3 turbo s10. I really wish the aftermarket support was there. I've definitely been jumping through hoops to it right and reliable
@treenutz360
@treenutz360 3 жыл бұрын
Promax makes heads
@fastnasty6627
@fastnasty6627 2 жыл бұрын
And like he said anything that will bolt to the front of a SBC will bolt right up to the 4.3. Just need more head and intake options.
@thunder_lloyd
@thunder_lloyd 2 жыл бұрын
@@treenutz360 they're no better than stock vortec
@thunder_lloyd
@thunder_lloyd 2 жыл бұрын
@@fastnasty6627 head and intake are the biggest hurdles. Also no affordable aftermarket crank..
@tobybeast123
@tobybeast123 3 жыл бұрын
Should have compared a later model 4.3. They made 295 in stock factory form. (Some of them more) They would have probably been a better comparison.
@ChiefCabioch
@ChiefCabioch 3 жыл бұрын
The race block V6 with decent compression can make 420hp with brodix heads intake, and good cam, 4 bolt main block, V8 oiling system, mine won many races on the 5/8ths mile Dirt track at Tulsa, and took the Championship in 81, and 2 years later the engines were banned because the inlines couldn't run with the V6, and no where close to the 8200+ rpm range with mushroom lifter cam
@Kstang09
@Kstang09 3 жыл бұрын
Sweeeeet 😎
@ericbeltrami2718
@ericbeltrami2718 2 жыл бұрын
you're forgetting one thing, reliability cost of parts. I guarantee you that 4.3 is a lot cheaper to get parts for than your Atlas engine. and because it's a design that's based on a 100 year old tractor engine, it's built for work. won't break. doesn't rev very high but probably with the right parts could.
@richardbrown3976
@richardbrown3976 3 жыл бұрын
We need to see something on the 4-3 Ecotec the new engine
@barbwire4879
@barbwire4879 2 жыл бұрын
I love the 4.3. And I love the 4.2. I have both. The in lines with have for qut.
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