Right tho? I always thought that was fucked up. I mean if they were gonna break the curse why not turn him into at the very least, an average guy. Instead of giving him perfect proportions and better hair then I could ever dream of

Well, I mean he always looked that way, he was cursed which turned him into the beast, but I can understand what you are saying.

Alessia I men yes before he was turned into a beast he was a beautiful guy, but why wasnt he just an average guy before..?

tum0r Guys I think you're forgetting something: the beast was 11 when he was transformed. And he hasn't been outside since. He has no idea what love is, has had the worst puberty ever, has probably needed therapy that he could only get from furniture people that have to suffer with him, and is racing against the clock to save himself and said furniture people. Furniture people who he might have murdered a few of, eats off of and with, and lights one of them on fire all the time. That is like the worst 10 years for all of them. The fact they got turned normal at all is a miracle

That's kind of funny because I always thought the transformed beast was kinda weird looking...also, fun fact, one of the producers of the movie didn't want the Beast to transform at all, but he was shot down by the others (probably because kid-friendly Disney didn't want to associate themselves with beastiality support) and instead tried to implement a line where Belle asks the transformed beast "Do you think you could grow a beard?" That line got cut out, too, though.

+LordJokester but what about Cloud Mufasa? what if HE fucked over everything?!

+Big Baby Blue Eyes My thoughts exactly, thank you XD

Irl, Hyenas are hunters, on par with lions. But yes, in the movie they were scavengers... But you have a really good point... Now I'm curious...

I grew up on documentaries, so I know a lot about animals XD

+LordJokester How do you know that means a drought and doesn't mean he just fucked up with taking care of everything? He had food but no one else did so that means he was selfish and therefore failed as a ruler. Everyone was starving and he could have prevented it. He also lied saying "I'll give you food" then not only did he let them starve he then went on to say "fuck you guys, we're enemies now even though your the only reason I'm king"

10 years later got a random urge to watch all afterhours

@@katebreck7624 does anyone know what katie is up to now? Theres info on Micheal and Dan obvs and soren is writing for american dad i think but katie seems to have dropped off the map.

The animals moved on due to over hunting

@@monroe7532 Explain how "over-hunting" can cause a drought.

Skim Shady it makes no sense

Why woud he star a war with another pack of lions a war he know he would loss remember “When it comes to brain I have lion share but when it comes to burt strength I am at the shallow end of the gene pool

America in a nutshell

+Wolf Works She was actively sabotaging Ariel's attempts to achieve her goals. That doesn't need to be explicitly prohibited in the contract. That's already prohibited by the rules of basic human interaction. (The only exception being games. But Ursula didn't declare it to be a competitive game.)

tuschman168 You think sabotage isn't practiced in the real world? It might be more subtle, but people have no problem sabotaging if it nets them a better gain. The "rules of basic human interaction" as you put it don't exist. If they did, we wouldn't need the court system.

Wolf Works I would agree if your original comment had said "Ursula did nothing illegal". Rules of human decency do exist. It's just that they can be broken without breaking the law. That doesn't make it right. Remember in The Big Lebowski when the Dude said to Walter "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole"? Basically that. "Prohibited" was admittedly a poor choice of words from me since it sounds like I was referring to something legally binding. I wasn't.

tuschman168 Ok, that's fair enough. Wrong was probably not the right word to use. I was speaking from a legal standpoint.

+Wolf Works Sounds like a lawyer wrote it

+Valeriya Honda and then they had to go and drop water on one of the meals.

+Valeriya Honda They tried to eat ice from the cubs. Why the hell is that food there anyway?

+Wyczesany Bóbr idk, I think I was just hungry when I watched this video lol

+Valeriya Honda They joked about that in the video talking about stuff people do in tv shows and movies that are weird.

i think in one of their QandA they said it is cold and frozen so it doesn't go bad looks appetizing etc for multiple shots and reshots

Scar was meant to be a dark reflection of Simba from the get-go. He shown early in the film to be lazy and self-absorbed. He is basically the "Just can't wait to be king" Simba if Mufasa had never died.

Good point, but I think it's just another characterization of Scar that highlights his flaw: selfishness. He doesn't understand what it means to be the king of Pride Rock, and that he had to look out for the animals as their leader. By showing him as a temper tantrum child, it showcases how he was only in it to assert his power, and when he couldn't back it up he threw a hissy fit. I just love Disney characters.

+Juliette Nguyen - from what I heard, in the Golden Books, we see Scar and Mufasa's childhood and basically Mufasa was dad's favorite since they're just alike, and Scar was a pampered mama's boy. Apparently the relationship was Dad: Man up you little bitch! Mom: don't listen to your dad, your my little prince, yes you are. And that messed up Scar as he grew up.

+Omar Harris Yeah I know about that. Scar has an absolutely shitty childhood. At one point he was referred to as Taka, or "trash" by his own parents. It's pretty sad, but it doesn't change the fact that he just has a tragically flaw personality. Unfortunately Mufasa was righteous because of Scar's treatment, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a good father and a pretty good leader. Honestly the real "villains" would be the parents who don't know how to love two kids, but then again they don't do that in the wild anyway lol.

Scar's real name means Trash?

+Willem Verheij I agree with most of what you said, although I think Gaston wanted to attack the Beast more because he noticed the affection Belle had for the Beast and was jealous. At least, in the movie Belle's kind words for the Beast followed by her insult to him is what prompts him to rally the villagers to slay the Beast. So yes, while his actions can be considered logical and there may be noble reasons for (most) of them, his intentions were still pretty selfish.

***** True he is jalous, but it would be quite difficult to grasp that anyone would love that roaring monster they see in the mirror. They only see that roaring part after all.

+Willem Verheij I've kinda been thinking the same thing.

ShalakumX Simba Pretty much yes. Only bad things he did was not letting Belle's father free when it turned out the beast was real and locking Belle up. Though it could be argued that he locked Belle up for her own safety considering her fondness of the roaring beast they see in that mirror so she wont do anything foolish.

+Willem Verheij I agree with your historical analysis, but I do think that the way he intents to blackmail Belle into marrying is not justifiable. He knows that her father does not belong in an asylum and he only has him arrested because he knows that Belle would agree to anything to save her father. Also his rampage against the beast is clearly shown to be out of jealousy ("Belle is mine!) not out of concern. But as you highlighted he is a complex character and one of the reason why this movie is so great.

Ramon Suarez Just in case all those wild deers go on a killing spree because they are too numerous and start feeding on humans, right?

Thinnestmeteor Killing innocent leaves, berries and blades of grass, dude. They have rights too.

Thinnestmeteor You've clearly never seen the ecological devastation of a run-away deer population. In places without natural predators, hunters HAVE to manage the deer population or they will straight up strip the forest bare, leading to mass starvation and death. Wolves, panthers, and other predators take out the weak and the old, keeping the deer population strong and in check. Human don't like having wolves and panthers around, so we have to manage the population in their stead.

+bill withers I agree with hunting deer for population control, but it also damaging to kill does who are mothers/ pregnant.

@Ramon, Bahaha. You win for best comment.

By the same token, the Beast was saying "Love me or you and your father can rot in my dungeon forever."

chaosmastermind both these comments made me lol

so was the beast, except gaston never murdered his furniture servants. in the movie you could see broken plates and furniture everywhere. which means the beast killed them

That food was stone cold by the end of the video

me

I'd join in probably lol

Paige Renaud Me

@@saipandit9268 "The handsome stranger is right!"

In some of the episodes, the person in the kitchen window is watching. They disappear and come back. Seems pretty realistic! Listen, do some prep, tell other staff what you heard, listen again, clean some dishes, get an order, cook and listen lol

Thats EXACTLY what i was thinking *gives you a cookie*

Bezerker Cat :D *eats cookie*

Peter Pan was a dick, especially in the source material. Captain Hook is totally justified. I like the way you think.

And its not even mutilating him. Hook was willing to pass of Pan cutting off his hand s a boyish prank, but throwing it to the crocodile, putting his life in danger is what he refuses to forgive

I kinda feel sorry for hook because smee talks about the Spanish main so they probably aren't origanly from neverland and just wandered in like the kids but their probably old enough t oremeber their familys.

Didn't say he was perfect, just that he had most of his shit together from his point of view. I mean, he likes her and truly thinks that her being with him is literally the best thing that could happen to her...so if he has to blackmail her to do it then so be it, ha. Kinda like doing the right thing for the wrong reasons -- he feels like the means justifies the end.

It's RICKYSPANISH Just because he thinks its the best thing for her, doesn't mean it is.

Ha, well, yeah :] That's not the point though -- the whole point is looking at it from Gaston's perspective. I mean, it's dramatic irony because only we know the full details of all sides of the story whereas Gaston is just looking at it from his own (which isn't inherently evil, just misguided).

It's RICKYSPANISH Yes, just like how Ratclife thinks he's doing the right thing by killing the natives, Shan-Yu kills to help his people, Maleficent is justified in persecuting Aurora and so fourth. Evil is inherently subjective, and while all villains aren't evil just to be evil, they are selfish and judge others and prosecute them for selfish gains. And that in the end is the true evil of this world. Exploiting others for ones own gain. And that is exactly what Gaston does.

Jh Tonto

Spot on Puff and Fluff!

He didn't take her stuff away, he flat out destroyed it. He also wants all of his daughters to perform in a burlesque style show every day. He is creepy towards them and is _very_ possessive.

yep it was forced

+Abigail Brandenburg yup

I think Ursula was truly the most sympathetic and that's a huge stretch. She makes it hard for one to achieve their dream sure...but it's not completely impossible. It's like a deal with a devil, the odds are stacked against you sure, but it's not impossible. She's the living example of what not to do, or what to do when you're desperate. I agree with your the other points though. Triton is a typical parent with a wild daughter like Ariel, Mufasa and Scar are both terrible brothers dragging others in their family politics. And Gaston, well...he's the real beast in the film.

+Daisuke Niwa they were talking abour her skin, and her attitude could make us think of some black woman...

+ToinyBoyZz Speak for yourself bro

+Daisuke Niwa *in a booming voice* I AM DI-VIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!!!!

+Hobo knifed lol, all it needs is a trailer for Pink Flamingos at the beginning

+Daisuke Niwa So.... triton is homophobic?

if you think about it, Meg could have probably gotten like a paper cut, and Hercules would`ve gotten his powers back XD

The underworld isn't really hell so to speak Mt Olympus is for gods only. Disney wasn't accurate with the mythology the underworld is where everyone goes when they die.

How would him staying work, though? He became a god once he got Megara out of the underworld, so he could not be killed. Seems kind of pointless for him to hang around anyway.

Hades was better than Captain Hook when it came to keeping a deal, though. Hades never meant to intentionally hurt Meg, "Not one hair on her pretty little head will be hurt" or something like that, because that was part of the deal. Hercules? Yes. But that's because he never made that deal. He was, quite simply, Lawful Evil. Plus: Zeus is a prick. A womanizing, lecherous, adulterating prick. I mean, didn't he trick Poseidon and Hades, leaving them with crap parts of the world while he ruled the heavens? It made sense that Hades would be understandable butt-hurt by that, and held a long-lasting grudge. The true villain: Zeus. Captain Hook on the other hand made the deal that not one hair on Peter Pan's head would be hurt, then proceeded to pluck it from his head (which was hurting it, anyway, by making sure it would no longer grow,) and went "Well, there ya go! Not ONE hair was hurt!" And ultimately screwed over everybody.

#^_^# HA HA! IKR

There were a lot of flaws with the movie. Another one is that Hyenas are not truly scavengers. In fact, they are often the ones who bring the pray down, and their kills are usually stolen by the lions. So really, the lions were jerks who stole food from hyenas and then banished them.

September Bade damn... Mufasa was an arse

***** Oh my god, exactly! Racist Disney and their lack of knowledge...

Oh! Not long ago I found out on internet that a lion with darker mane (like Scar) are likely to be stronger and usually become king in real life. Disney got it wrong. Mufasar and Scar should switch their appearance.

So basically Scar is Fredo.

werewolfassasyn blah blah blah blah we will gain acess to your house blah blah blah blah we may also transplant any organs from you blah blah blah blah sign here: _______ for a free cookie!

So if someone moves 8 spaces in Monopoly when they rolled a 7 that's cheating, but if you can use magic to control/manipulate someone then it's just unfair. O.o I guess you went to the Tonya Harding school of hard knocks

Brennan Ryan yes because the rules of monopoly are that you cannot move more spaces than you roll... The contract Ariel signed didn't stipulate that Ursula couldn't interfere.

Adam Nichols that's true my bad xD so I guess my example should have been "stealing someone's turn or blinding your competitors with acid" but its like the beauty and the beast there's magic keeping him in his form and he needs to find love with his handicap, That's unfair. If he was changed and Belle came along to string him along then magic was used to get her to say,"no" and he stayed that way forever then that's cheating

Adam Nichols To be fair, she clearly stated that Ariel would get three days to reach her goal. Ursula interferes on the second day despite her words and conditions. so she did in fact cheat.

Ash-chan i was JUST about to say that LOL. I was like hmmmm this sounds like....... like Twisted.... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

Ash-chan Was waiting for a comment like this! The story lingers on, but the version that is drawn is twisted

Pretty sure the only villain they can't justify is Cruella. "I only wished to have a coat made out of PUPPIES!"

"WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT??!?!"

Aspiring Marauder ....when did this become an argument...?

George would run toxicology reports on them, then what? Would he kill George?

No, they'd need proof it was him; I mean, only an idiot would drug the cats inside their own house. The first time they go as guests in somebody else's house, he could just drug them and leave the bottle of poison in the house, maybe near the condiments. It would pass as an accident - I've seen too much Murder She Wrote when I was little XD.

They're cats...CATS!!!! wtf were they going to do other than the exact thing they were doing then? So he hires another butler to take care of them and pamper them and then takes up residence in the old ladys room lavish surrounded by opulence. 15-20 years later no more cats. Edgar was a moron. An absolute moron.

@@HiroshimaSeems 1: They were fucking cats. No one would have cared enough to DO a tox report. 2: There are dozens of ways for a servant to kill a couple of cats and make it look like an accident. 3: THEY WERE CATS! It's not like they were going to throw or go to lavish parties, so no one would even notice they were dead for a while.

+fotakatos Here's a fun fact: irl the reason Prince (later, King) John had to levy huge taxes was to drum up the ransom money to free his brother 'Good King Richard the Lionheart' who got himself captured while out on crusade. And yet in every Robin Hood story, King Richard is the dashing hero who returns to save everyone from John's 'tyranny'. There's gratitude for you!

+fotakatos in Disney's robin hood, the tax collector was a dick. when robin hood is disguised as a blind beggar, the tax collector steals the one gold coin robin hood had in his cup. The tax collector didn't know it was robin hood in disguise, so by doing that we know that he would steal from any person he can take advantage of.

***** Well, I don't think that being blind is a legitimate excuse for withholding taxes. Obviously whatever percentage the beggar owed would be rounded up to the one gold coin he had. Bam, lawyered!

+fotakatos Excuse me but the taxes were so devastating that communities were shut down and most of the population arrested. The sheriff of Nottingham is only the hero in the minds of the most right wing people.

Loitering during 1400s was a crime, that while in larger cities may have been over looked Nottingham was a smaller town that would not economically benefit from having beggars turn away more respectable trade. The Sheriff was obviously taking the beggars coin as payment for the infraction made by the beggar and beggars have been commonly during that time treated as less than equal to a regular citizen as they offer no economical benefit to the society as a whole.

***** Completely agreed. But the whole "distrust the ugly unless or except when they turn into something beautiful" was a common theme in old folklorish fairytales.

And the frog of the princess and the frog...

You want America to let a ferocious beast get the white girl when they don't even let a black man get the white girl in any movie?

I've seen black men (or women) get he white girl (or boy) in movies before... What Disney does is take traditional European folklore and give it a giant kid-friendly middle finger. You want the ORIGINAL, better stories, don't watch Disney. I probably won't let my kids.

Not to mention, Belle is beautiful. So it's ok to be kinda ugly if your a dude, but if your a chick you gotta look like some kinda French goddess.

And that sumarizes the isolated idea of the US trying to bring democracy and freedom to other countries. * Not involving the selective list of countries built after interests but only that will of controling others' choice making process.

Um... what?

Maicol Mallers We are talking about Beauty and the Beast not politics so take that somewhere else. Thank you.

Angel Pierce Well yeah, nobody said the truth always pleases, so I'll stop if you felt upset.

Maicol Mallers I didn't feel upset. I just hate it when someone brings up politics in a comment that has nothing to do with it. =/

My god your right

Not to mention, the whole time he warns Meg (like a friend really) not to get involved with Hercules because it was a man that got her into her situation in the first place. If she'd just played along, she could have been free and like.. queen of the world or something while Hades was the new highest god of Olympus. :U And he probably would have let her keep Hercules as a pet.

i think i would feel more sympathetic to him if he hadn't tried to kill hercules when he was born

Existential Squid I thought the potion Pain and Panic made him drink was to turn him mortal, not kill him. That's why he was able to turn into a god at the end of the movie, because Pain and Panic were told that they had to make him drink every last drop and they failed to do so.

Hercules never really went back on either of the deals he made with Hades though. The first deal became null when Meg got hurt. The second deal was fulfilled, the exact terms being if he could reach her in the River of Souls, her soul could leave, while his soul would take her place in death. He reached her, and at the moment of death became a god. The deal is now void, because his soul is no longer subject to death. And let's face it, Hades tried to screw him hard in that second one. And even then Herc was going to walk away until Hades grabbed Meg's soul's face and started messing with it.

Fat witch vs muscular god.

Ursula is not ethnic. She is based off the famous drag queen Divine.

Love your profile picture!

Came here to say that. I never thought of her as even vaguely vaguely ethnic

I lik ehonest ads too but thats all

Scar is Obama... if you think about it

Scar did shoot down suggestions to move the whole kingdom to more plentiful land, so that's his fault.

MSGSlayer1 Out of pride for not wanting to be a failure.

Scar wanted power, and cared not to preserve the balance. Hyenas either bred too fast or ate/drank too much. So all the food was gone because he used them to secure his power.

Kayo Ken So... Scar is Chairman Mao?

Mel M Who? You mean the 90 year old guy? In the entire city she basically has 2 friends. A 90 year old guy and Gaston who is her age. Gaston who really ONLY acts friendly towards her, and tries to make sure that the town doesn't excessively mistreat her. He constantly tried to get her to be more social. If anything the Beast was way more abusive. If I remember Gaston asked Belle to do everything, Beast demanded and forced her into everything. If anything Belle only started to like Beast when the beast showed brute force and killed animals. Yet when Gaston does the same she considered him a brute.

Crim World Well all i got from the movie is that belle was an edgy piece of furry trash.

*****​ Yeah. Every classic "Fairy Tale" was dark as shit.

Mel M Gaston is atleast the second person showing Belle, and it does have Mario/Bowser/Mario vibe.

Crim World When Beast used brute force, that was to defend her against rampaging wolves after he told her to gtfo, and none of those wolves suffered any serious harm we were made aware of. Gaston, meanwhile, killed a bird flying overhead before his opening shot. The beast then went on to get to know her and act kinder, even asking her to help him read. Gaston dismissed reading, her only passion, in the most sexist way he could muster. Besides, Belle is quite happy to socialise. When anyone starts talking to her, she responds cheerily and engages in conversation. It's other people who dismiss her for her hobby of reading. No wonder the book merchant, the only other guy in town who accepts her hobby, is the person she gets along with best.

We can't all be especially good at expectorating.

Victor J. Lol

Victor J. Lol

Well, that's nice

Well isn't it kind of a two for one deal then?

Man, fuck that ending. I already disliked the characters that were people who turned into inanimate objects, we really didn't need to have disturbing slapstick violence with them. I watch Metalocalypse and that part disturbed me a little. I think it's because it's so much violence in a kids movie that you're supposed to laugh at, but seriously, those people are getting _horribly murdered_.

I think they were pretty justified in trying to protect their home and master from the people who were incited into a mob because of one man's jealousy. Plus, remember they're all really human beings and they get turned back at the end. So, yeah, even if the stories got out, once people saw the castle was inhabited by an ordinary prince and his court, they'd turn the other way

princeofalbany I don't think the villagers would be terribly inclined to be very forgiving, regardless of the shape the house staff was in the immediate aftermath. Plus, if a bunch of people get killed in a house by demonic furniture and said furniture suddenly turns into people (who have presumably been assumed dead for the last decade), medieval peasants aren't going to assume "Oh, I guess a curse was broken unrelated to our attack on the castle." They're going to be thinking something more along the lines of, "Our blood was used to fuel some kind of evil ritual to give life to that which has none."

electricbayonet2 Could Belle not just explain to them what happened to Beast? With how smart she is supoed to be compared to them, I'm sure she could manage to convince them now that there's nobody to say otherwise. Besides, in one of the official novelizations, some of the villagers actually get invited to and attend Belle's wedding, so it seems like they're all on good terms now

princeofalbany it has nothing to do with her being smart it has to do with them being stupid

Yep that's true

she wasn't a villain the beast was a selfish brat at the time and was a jerk to her, I mean come on that's not villainous on her part she was just trying to teach a lesson

+iampumaa Okay, but the spell she casts on the Beast specifically says he must love another and be loved in return before the last petal falls on his 21st birthday to be freed of the curse. Everything else that occurs in the movie happens ten years later... Maybe the Beast was a jerk, but he was also a 10 or 11 year old kid, and since he's apparently in charge of the castle, he seemingly doesn't have any parents in the picture either. Like, all she offers him is a rose. How often do we tell kids not to take candy from strangers? But when your parents are out/away/dead, you must take flowers from them and let them into your house otherwise you're a selfish brat? Nah, for a kid, that's probably the smartest thing to do.

+iampumaa no she was a villain.

+Sarcastic Zombie in the be your guest song he said it was 10 years, but he clearly extradites in other parts of that song, so why couldn't he have been exaggerating in that part. in the stained glass windows he was clearly an adult. Also after she turned in to a beautiful enchantresses the beast beggs for forgivnes, probably because he wanted to bang her, she is teaching him not onley to be kind, but that peaple are not objects, by turning his staff in to objects and him in to a beast, a lesson most men today need to learn, she is pretty much just saying "how do you like it".

i think people with an unevolved sense of humor like this kind of show.

But not letting them leave? That's not kidnapping then, it'd be false imprisonment.

+Thomas Boyce Citizen's arrest maybe?

ferretsnax You'd need to notify proper authorities afterwards

+Thomas Boyce Well he's a prince. I'd say that qualifies as a proper authority.

fair point A fairy pint that is cause fairy tale and ###

+Chrome166 You win, or you die.

+Aspiring Marauder Oh shit! O-o Now i want a Game of Thrones Spin-off by Disney. That would sound awesome if all Disney Classics happened in a shared world. Cinderella lived in this Kingdom, Snow white there, Ariel lives in King's Landing... lol Oh my God! O_O

+Yandere Clementine that's pretty much how Once Upon and Tenth Kingdom rolled. Not *exactly* but it seems everyone really wants to make a series along that line.

Oh man this makes me want to see The Lion King redone as a gritty HBO series

I guess thats why scar lives so long and stays kinda young. If you look at it, he looked middle age when simba was born, yet even after simba grows up and returns to the pride rock, scar is still fit enough to fight - this kinda shows that scar was probably a lot younger than mufasa, hence proving your point about the manes, even though scar's mane never changes color.

DINTHEDESTROYeR You can say that, I suppose. Also, most lions have brown manes indicating that they're in average condition. I'm sure that Disney only changed the mane color to indicate who was who. If Scar, Mufasa, and adult Simba all looked like normal lions with brown manes then it would be harder to distinguish them.

Anything that puts Scar in a good light justifies my childhood, not ruins it. He was possibly my favourite Disney character. I completely understand you mentioning the hyenas vs lions thing in reality, but the movies seems to imply that the hyenas are ruled by the lions, like everything else in the Pride Lands and don't even seem to get a chance at food. It's weird that they wouldn't stage a rebellion without Scar (probably because that would be a whole other film in itself), but it certainly makes me think of them as an analogue for the poor rather than ruthless natural rivals.

Hyena's never finishes eating their prey and will hunt for another as a game, thereof that explains why they were banished. I do feel sympathetic towards Scar though even if he did kill Musafa. Always wonder why he had a scar in the first place.

Shwah Gamer Actually you're right. From what I remember the hyenas and the lions were like the only animals in that movie that were carnivores at all.

IKR!!!

Ursula's a total Trump. she's just too damn sassy.

Joy Phillips hahahahaha

Joy Phillips triton and ursula are the Greek underwater version of Zeus and hades

If they were comparable... both Ursula and Triton would be completely soulless.

This. Thank you. Shallow people won't understand.

I love Starscream!!! oh, he was hilarious, I think his best moment was when Megatron fell for like one microsecond, and immediately Starscream stepped on him and declared leadership XD

+Allycat Actually, she teaches that the system is rigged against you, as everyone who comes to her ends up in her menagerie. When she believes that Arial's determination will win her the day, Ursula cheats in order to ensure that Ariel fails. They conveniently left that part of her MO out.

Yeah!!!!!! He does. Because at the end of that movie, the Beast/Prince Adam was literally fighting for his life and for his humanity when Gaston came to his castle and Belle just came in at the right moment to not only save him, but to also remind what else why he had to let her go in the first place before she came back for him. So yeah, that actually did ruined the points that Michael was trying to make about Gaston being sympathetic.

Yea, I would never use Disney stories as a life guide, especially for relationships. Shreck actually did a better job at getting the whole inner beauty message across because (spoiler alert) Shreck does not turn into a handsome prince fiona just turns into an ogre.

Desert Foxchild Yeah, of course, because you're an adult! But you're actually so totally wrong, if you watched any Disney movie as a kid, you ABSOLUTELY use it, or at least used it, as a reference to relationships :p. Kids are influenced. But it's not that surprising you don't use it as a guide now, you're supposed to have grown up ;). I like Shrek too, and you are right, the message is more realistic

The point was that she loved him as a beast. She did. Though he was handsome in the end, it didn't change that she fell in love with him while he was a beast. That still completes the point of the curse and the movie. His handsomeness could be considered an added bonus since she was already in love with him. It did not technically ruin anything. She loved him as a beast. That's the point.

Epic Otaku Cherry Alright! That's good enough for me. And that basically was the actual premise of Beauty and the Beast...."Beauty is and will always be skin-deep. No matter what!" *Good message, Disney!!!*

A true victim of Stockholm syndrome would be so anxious to please their captor, they would change themselves to suit them. Also given the choice of leaving or staying, they would likely stay. If anything Belle changes the beast and she's certainly not anxious to please him. She constantly argues with him, disobeys him and runs away at one point. And when he gives her the chance of leaving or staying, she leaves. The only reason she warms up to him at all is because he starts to change and become more civilised now that she's there.

***** haha that's alright I do stuff like that all the time :) it's even more embarrassing when you're talking and you say the wrong thing!

Not to mention, the spell wouldn't have been broken with stockholm syndrome, since that's wouldn't be actual love, and therefore wouldn't fulfill the requirements of the curse.

I think Belle is just really deep into beastiality or else there was really no reason to get attracted by the very rude Beast. hue

Think about this: One person is ostracized by her town because they find her odd, and one person, because of being a brat and immature (at the time), is cursed to live his days as a hideous beast. they bond over time, confessing their love for the other ending the curse, and its threatened by a guy who wants Belle to be his trophy wife, getting everything he ever wanted and adds her to his collection of trophies, to the point that he concocts the plan that Belle's father should be better off locked up.

fatalrob0t so you admit she wasn't a handsome white guy :P

Mark Lance -snerk- actually, she's a drag queen. Modeled after Divine.

fatalrob0t Fucking octopuses.....stealing our jobs!!!

SilkySmooth56 thats what I'm say'n

SilkySmooth56 They took our jewbs!!

So, if you're a jerk, and I know I can refine you by slapping you, that makes it okay? I'm sorry, no. Just because he was a jerk didn't give her the right to cast a spell on him that destroyed his life. She was the villain. Being a jerk is not a crime.

I think she was also pretty evil because she cursed the ENTIRE castle... why should you punish people just because their boss is a jerk?

YES! Leslie, that is such a good point! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of it. I wrote an entire comedy bit around that one point once.

The Ceej I have always thought the same thing. people with magic powers can act self righteous some times.

Leslie London Because if he realizes that his selfishness makes others suffer, he might turn his shit around and become a decent fucking human being.

I agree. Gaston even had that line where he said "It's not right for a woman to read. Soon she starts getting ideas, and thinking..." which would imply that he believes women should not be informed or opinionated. Also I don't think, in this version anyway, that Belle's change of opinion was due to Stockholm syndrome. Yes she had been forced to live in the castle, however she was surrounded by characters who liked her and were accepting of her. Cracked has a point that she was snubbed a lot in the village; it was a change for the better, as she wasn't afraid to be herself. Beast/Adam was brash and threatening, but that was the only way he had been able to communicate to people, and the fact that the only other residents were servants who were supposed to be subservient to him. Yes, perhaps his original intention (which he does state in the movie) was to woo Belle so she could break the spell, but he does change and realizes that he cares about her and her future, more than his own, which is why he lets her leave before she could have confirmed her feelings. Yeah...I think I'll stop here for now.

Kousei13 Technically he thinks anyone thinking is dangerous, he even says so in his song. And give the guy credit, he is right. WE have driven countless species to extinction because we can reason.

Compared to the poor villagers and the peasants Belle would have had a really good life. Belle would have been treated like a trophy wife with fancy clothes and a big mansion and she would have servants to do everything for her. The only bad thing would be Gaston would constantly be boning the prostitutes and he would parade her around like a trophy. She probably would have died in childbirth because Gaston's kids would be too big to push out.

Chad Sanderson I was actually upset he was called underdeveloped. I find your case for Gaston is justified, though i do argue one thing. If Gaston didn't see the beast as his rival, then why did he say "were you in love with her beast? did you honestly think she'd want you, when she could have someone like me?"

Seriously?! Hyenas eat more than lions or any other predator?? A.) The negative point of the story is that Mufasa judged an entire species. That's called stereotyping and generalizing. Equivalent to Racism (Specism?). B.) Elephants live for decades. Not enough elephants would die to feed all of the Hyenas on a weekly basis. Obviously, since the Hyenas were so starved. Mufasa didn't even allow them the same privilege he has himself in hunting. He basically sentenced them to a slow death by starvation. Very similar to Darfur today (!). E.g. Genocide. C.) America went through it's own Civil Rights movement when we decided that "Separate but Equal" is wrong. The hyenas were revolting because they are treated like second class citizens. In Finem: Mufasa is a specist and ever person that liked your comment would have been tricked by the same false logic that kept minorities as second class citizens in America's past. Congrats, you guys have learned nothing and are easily tricked into being racists.

Silver Jaiden A) In the real world, lions and hyenas are natural enemies; if a hyena invades a lion's territory, the lion will defend it violently. In the movie, the hyenas are, for the purposes of the story, a species that doesn't respect the circle of life and will bring ruin to pride rock if they're allowed to stay (again, as seen by what happened under Scar's rule). B) Go by the evidence: the hyenas have been living out there for decades (since before Mufasa's rule I think) and have been surviving (if you look at their numbers, they seem to be doing fairly well). It seems that the point to their characters is that they're always hungry for more and need to be stopped before they consume too much for anything to survive (including them). C) There is a significant difference between the two species (unlike different citizens amongst the one human species). Hyenas are scavengers that eat the weak, dead, and dying and will continue to do so until none of them are left. Lions are hunters that eat enough to satisfy themselves and keep the balance in the circle of life. In Finem: Mufasa doesn't irrationally hate the hyenas because they're different, he defends his kingdom against them because they're a threat (while allowing them to have enough from his kingdom to survive independently); they would (and eventually do) destroy everything and balance is only restored after they're gone. It's not a matter of citizens being treated worse, it's a matter of an army that wants to invade your territory and claim your natural resources because they're not content with what they already have even though it is sustaining them. And, it turns out that if they succeed in this invasion than both your people and theirs will all die. That's kinda different than one group of people saying another can't be treated equally because they look different.

A well thought out defense, though if hyenas eat only 'the weak, the dead and the dying', as you point out, that doesn't threaten the circle of life. Lions would pose more of a threat, if they, as the movie shows, eat young individuals during their reproductive years. Anyway, I HATED that shit movie for its misrepresentation of spotted hyenas. I, for one, find them as beautiful and awe-inspiring as lions. Heres a little known fact: spotted hyenas are excellent hunters; perhaps even more so than lions as they have far more stamina. The actively capture 90-95% of the food they eat.

ungoliant29 Interesting, I didn't know that (I knew they did hunt for themselves, but I didn't know it was that much). In the movie though, the lionesses hunted for the hyenas in addition to themselves, so even the prey that was beyond the hyenas ability to hunt was fair game for them. And you'll need to forgive the movie for being a movie: there has to be a bad guy and, when there is a force behind the good guy, the bad guy needs a force behind him. The fact that hyenas and lions are enemies in the real world makes them the prime choice for the movie.

How do you figure that things went bad because the hyenas ate too much? It's been a while since I watched the movie but I don't remember anything that suggested the hyenas were irresponsible about food. It was like "things suck now because Scar and the hyenas suck" but there were no details about how this decline played out.

+Marko Samec They added that, cause that didn't really happen. It was photoshop

+Marko Samec Yeah but it was fake

i did

***** well gaston does kinda have a point...the only thing that should matter is me... :)

***** Exactly. That was his message. Since I was a kid, I couldn't STAND Gaston. It baffles me that he is one of Disney's most favorite character, it truly does. He is unbelievably shallow and a freaking moron. His character is so unbelievably weak to me. But I think that was the point, or as I see it, anyway. So in that sense, the writers did a good job. Gaston is an incredibly shallow man who sees himself as perfect and as the "hero." Everyone is to adore him, and he is to be rewarded for these self-perceived, "valiant" qualities. I slightly compare him to Wagner's Siegfried, who I despise just as much. ^^;

She cursed a baby to die because she wasn't invited to a party....

Kellie Kane sounds fair to me.

Niffer Ann Yes bitch! lmao!

Same. The thing that got me was the catooie thing

***** True, and he even initially scoffed at the idea before he realized what she could potentially do for him. Also, I think the Beast was only holding Maurice in the first place was to prevent him returning the village, raving like a lunatic about some hideous monster in a castle, and causing an armed mob of concerned villagers to go investigate.

Tim Clark he still gave her free reign of the castle except the west side sure she couldn't leave but i still see no kidnapping he gave her a warm NICE room if i recall when people are captured they're not given a nice room with a warm blanket js

Tim Clark still traded herself in and was given a warm room and bed free castle roam so nope I see no kidnapping or stockholm syndrome as people call it

+Tim Clark I mean the beast was a prince...so technically he had the authority to imprison her.

The point wasn't "the beast kidnapped her" the point was from Gaston's view he could only rationalize Belle's sudden disappearance as being kidnapped by the beast. gaston didn't know what really happened.

***** I know. But that's what they pointed out. I was just saying that they were exaggerating that point...

***** Okay then. Glad we're all agreed on that.

Frollo also wanted genocide of all the gypsy people, he killed quasi's mother only because she was a gypsy, and only didn't murder quasimodo as a baby because the priest stopped him in the nick of time. Never mind he burned down half of his city because he wanted to rape esmerelda, and regularly publically humiliated poor quasi and reminded him constantly throughout his life how horrible he was. Honestly, of ALL the disney villains I'd say he's the best at being bad simply because he DOESN'T have likeable qualities. Its one of the reasons what makes that movie my favorite of their movies. Not only is he more fucked up than their other villains ( rather than simply being powerful or king, he wants to murder thousands of people simply for being the race they are ), he doesn't even KNOW he's being bad.

InkBird I still think he should have gone to heaven.

Frollo sings a song about wanting to rape Esmerelda and if he can't, he will kill her and her entire people. I'll save my sympathy for someone else.

I think Capt. Hook is pretty sympathetic in some ways. Not that it's good that he's fighting a kid, but Pan is kind of a stinker. And the only reason Hook wants to get him is that they were doing their protagonist/antagonist thing and Hook's hand got chopped off and fed to a crocodile. He has issues with revenge, but...oh, I just remembered that he kidnapped Tiger Lily--but then he also knew Pan would save her so she wouldn't really die...

InkBird In the book, Frollo is honestly a really sympathetic character, and Disney kind of took that away from him. When he was nineteen he came home from college and saw his parents were dead and his infant brother had been laying in his crib for days without any help. Frollo takes his brother in and raises him, and he loves his brother very, very much but his brother is an a-hole towards him. Also in the book, Frollo found Quasimodo abandoned at the church and decided to take him in and raise him as well when all the women of the town sneered at Quasimodo for being ugly and deformed. Sure, Frollo could be sort of a d-bag towards Quasimodo, but he never burned down Paris, his goal in the book WASN'T to kill all the gypsies, and he struggled between lust and faith. That being said, yes, he actually attempted to rape Esmeralda and he stabbed Phoebus on the shoulder so I can't give him TOO much credit, but really, I think Frollo is an anti-hero and is arguably the protagonist of The Hunchback of Notre Dame. You just have to read it to really get it. Watching him do bad things made me feel like a mother disappointed in her son. I cried a lot at he ending.

case of jerkass has a point.

And the village did nothing more than treat him like how most people treat star athletes today. The character has obviously been the number one person in his village for a long time even the older residents look up to him for leadership. Anyone raised with or constantly surrounded with praise day in and out for just standing around is gonna eventually gonna get to anyone's head. Gaston is an asshole yes but so is the beast. They didn't even talk about how much of an asshole he is to his servants I mean they quivered in fear when he came into a room. I can't really imagine that a rich prince would only have that many servants too. For all we know he kept breaking his teapots til he was left with only Mrs Potts and her children (his best china) o.O

You know what they say "everyone is the hero of their own story".

I guess the argument was because she was the only humanoid without a Caucasian human skin tone. She’s sort of a purple/grey, but that could just easily be the effect of her living in a cave for however long, surrounded by who knows what.

it just means she is the only nonwhite character. Even the mermaids are white.

Tbh I hate those purple people, always fucking being purple and _E T H N I C_

Nope, Belle realized the beast was filthy rich.

Maicol Mallers she's pretty dumb if it took her a couple weeks to realize the guy with the giant castle was rich

How you going to pass up on a giant hairy monster that hands out libraries?

No she didn't develop Stockholm Syndrome, that only works if the Beast actually meant her harm.

I don't think he had to want to harm her( da fuck?) for her to develop Stockholm Syndrome. I think just being held captive by someone for a long period of time(months,years) willcause you to eventually develop it. But then again, I'm no psychologist or anything, so I could be wrong :/

Maybe because she had nothing in common with him?

You missed the joke, didn't you?

It's very hard to know if someone is being sarcastic or not on the internet.

its almost a line in his theme song. sarcasm or not, its hard to miss. its like saying Mulan likes to turn boys into men.

She wanted to make a coat out of domesticated dogs....not wild animals mind you, actual DOGS....that's very illegal

+Protag Shilex okay maybe her persistence blinded her judgment but to be fair it probably would've been easier to make coats out of them then getting people to adopt the puppies some of them probably wouldn't have made it anyway

It's illegal now in the US. Might not have been in mid 1900's England though...

+Protag Shilex ......why is that illegal? We make coats out of rabbits. Leather from cows and lambs. Sweaters from sheared wool and gelatin from hooves of certain animals. I can't see why not kill dogs for their fur. It's so strange where we draw the line. =S

Because those dog's where actually pets

Idd. Now even though I wasn't a Disney villain, I'd say I was right all along too!

@Bruce Wayne I'm pretty sure at this point it just boils down to opinion, but when I watched The Lion King I got the impression that Scar wasn't promising the hyenas food because he felt bad for them, but because he saw an opportunity to get people to follow him for an easy price (of course, he kept his promise to the hyenas and fed them, so I guess he does gain a few "good guy points"). But on the other hand, he let the entire rest of the savanna starve. If we're talking about "Disney Villians Who Were Right All Along," that shouldn't be classified under "right". Mufasa, even though he let the hyenas starve, still fed tens if thousands if not hundreds of thousands more than Scar even bothered to feed. In that case, Mufasa is the "right" one.

***** But then again, isn't it great that it's possible to have this sort of arguement about it? If anything it's the sign of a well made villain and story overall :P I do know it's based on Hamlet... but hey, that's not the worst they could have based it on by any means :P

@Kefka Palazzo Exactly ^w^ the fact that one can have a moral discussion over it shows that it really is a good movie.

Sofia Lafitte It at least shows that it's interesting ^^

Yeah, not like Machinima which deleted all their videos. Some are lost for good.

I know this about the cartoon characters (and I agree, Scar's background is sad) but I thought I'd mention that real hyenas really aren't that bad! They literally get persecuted because people hate them, so I'd love to see a big movie where they are the protagonists! They actually hunt for up to 95% of what they eat, so don't just steal from lions, although both lions and hyenas will occasionally steal from each other. They will also kill each other's young. Basically they are just in direct competition and can be as bad as each other (still makes sense that lions would banish them though)! Sorry for derailing, I just like hyenas and had to make my case for them :)

zuhzoo hyenas prefer stealing than killing one themselves, they're like vultures, just they are more powerful than the birds, it annoys other predator too,

Asyraf Ashari NO THEY DO NOT! Read it up-the species of hyena depicted in the movie (spotted; Crocuta crocuta) is an excellent hunter. They've got great stamina and can chase prey for miles. Indeed, 95% of the food they eat the captufe themselves. And 'scavenging' isn't necessarily 'stealing'-it's opportunistic behaviour that lions resort to when conditions get hard enough. This movie has really wrecked the reputation of a beautiful and fascinating animal. Makes me angry.

Asyraf Ashari I'm surprised you didn't look it up considering I was directly saying that wasn't the case, but hopefully you have now or at least believe us. And thanks ungoliant for backing me up. Hyenas really are fascinating, worth reading about! Then again, most animals are :)

zuhzoo Ok so in an adult version you could see what's actually happenned in the lion king: Mufasa's seen as a great king by the lions because he's driven their rivals, the hyenas, from the field, evidently killing their leaders (hence their need to get leadership from Scar). The bit about the circle of life is straightforward propaganda: The ecosystem just can't support both groups properly. So Scar's failure is in trying to bring peace when the conditions for it won't let it happen, by not wiping out either the lions or hyenas, but trying to let both live freely. Horrendously malthusian, and a little racist, but then it is disney... As an aside hyenas are aggressively territorial (second only to humans in sheer violence, hyenas from rival packs often get mutilated as a punishment for tresspassing and hunting food in their areas), and capable hunters in areas where lions don't dominate and squeeze them out of the food chain (where they often are reduced to scavenging, as are lions in hyena dominated areas).

I thought that about Maleficent too. The Gaston Rapist implication is a bit strong. I mean if he was a rapist I doubt the blonde women would be all over it thirsty as hell and also why would he need to rape anyone with them at his heels anyway? The song was them approving of his masculinity and being the hero of their town its nothing more or less than what we do today with star athletes. Gaston is only looked at as evil because he is arrogant and obnoxious but is that really evil? I mean did he do anything evil? People tend to forget the beast was a huge asshole through a big part of the movie. Locked up a old helpless man in a cold dark dungeon for seeking shelter from the cold and wild animals that attacked him, He sent him away kidnapping his daughter in his place, Held her without her consent with the intention of MAKING her fall for him, Screamed at her constantly, Treated his servants like crap I mean they were all quivering with fear whenever he entered a room. If you had a scoreboard for who is more evil Gaston or the Beast the beast would actually win. He only turned good when he ran out of options and realized it was time to grow up that is where he and Gaston differ. The beast grows and develops while Gaston remains proudly arrogant and stupid and that eventually leads him to die.

ajhornell Thats assuming that men who rape women do it only cause they can't get pussy. Not because they have violent tendencies and control issues. Belle was the only girl that didn't want his D and his insistence on making her his is incredibly creepy at best.

jaxbaby91 And like I said the rapist implication is strong and a bit unfounded. Just because someone is aggressive doesn't mean that he's a fiend it just means he knows what he wants and goes for it. Belle doesn't want a man of action like Gaston she wants someone passive who wont tell her what to do and how to live. How is Gastons insistence on making Belle his any different or any less creepy than the beast? Like Micheal said on this video Gaston is saying hey you're cute I like you we should go out and let me show off for you etc etc". Where as the Beast is keeping her held captive with the intention of pulling off some Stockholm syndrome and making her fall in love with him. It was only until his servants suggested it that he became nice to her and did nice things for her. Otherwise she would have remained locked up in her room until she broke down and did whatever the beast said.

Im not saying he is a rapist. I just don't like hearing the assumption that some men don't "need" to rape. No one "needs" to rape anyone whether they get lots of female attention or not. Maybe he is just an aggressive dude and Belle's not into that which is her right, and im not saying she made the best choice in the beast (which is her choice to make). Im just saying a guy that can't do everyone a favor and take no for an answer is creepy regardless of how attractive other females find him.

jaxbaby91 True but it doesn't make him evil. Gaston did nothing remotely evil other than be ignorant and obnoxiously confident. Overtly confident people such as Gaston go into any situation thinking its gonna come out in their favor including relationships. And if things don't go their way they get angry their pride gets wounded. Gaston was mopey and pissed off that Belle rejected him when the village sang that song. If you wanna talk creepy factor the beast outweighs Gaston ten fold start to finish. But then EVERY SINGLE man in that movie apart from chip cuz hes just a kid is terrible in some way or another. Belle's dad abandons his only child in a village that finds her odd and troublesome with no way of taking care of herself financially other than a small farm to go and patent his invention that is more dangerous than helpful. Gaston for reasons listed above, Gastons sidekick for being a perverted follower, Cogsworth is selfish as is Lumiere they only want the beast to fall in love so that the spell can be broken and they all can be free to sexually harass the slutty french maids. The Beast for reasons Ive listed before.