That’s mostly doc but yeah

Facts

More likely the whole community

Wow big creators like using other creators projects to give exposure. Crazy.

I started watching illmango because of hermitcraft.

that would explain it. just not sure if the solution to do that many checks all the time is that good xD

Rabbits have always done that and nobody seems to care. I have witnessed a lot of baby bunnies committing suicide on hillsides. I’d like to see them fix that but hopefully not in a way that introduces so much lag.

@@ilmango intrinsic motivation to play a different version

Probably would have been better to just remove fall damage from frogs

Add to that the fact that they prioritize jumping to lily pads so the game must be scanning the area around them every time it decides to have them jump.

good one. this would be indeed slightly better

If you use two different colors of candles, can you place them without support blocks underneath? If that is possible, it would also make building the farm easier.

and you could light them too as a light source block to adapt spawning rules and light updates. Noice.

Shroomlight farms existed before this. They provide good light sources and wood completely automatically too. Frog light farms are definitely less complex though. It's nice to have options

@@sebastianjost shrooms farms require TNT duping and bonemeal farm working alongside and give too many items when I only need a light source. But on the flip side, shroomlight farming doesn't require player afking in the nether. So yeah good to have more options, I've been using jack O lanterns xD Gloswtone can be bought directly instead of crafted... In small quantities unless many clerics. Sea lanterns are also an option that I'll be exploring once I set up monument farm (though I don't have monument near base on every world)

@@YounesLayachi true. Either TNT duping or restocking it every so often, which would require sand mining and a gunpowder farm. The farm itself produces logs, shroomlight and everything else can be turned back into bonemeal. Moss farms are great at providing the bone meal and some useful blocks along the way. But then this really turns into a very big project. ...just like a monument farm. I definitely recommend building a design that doesn't require draining the ocean as that takes ages and a lot of sand (or anvils 😅). Bubble column based farms are laggy unless you turn particles down, but they are way easier to build and still work great.

@@sebastianjost yep, i was thinking about bubble column and portal farm, thanks for the heads-up about particles ! I usually play with fast graphics and some rendering stuff turned off by rendering mods. Will make extra sure to turn off bubbles, unless they only render up close

So if you place the frogs on honey the game skips all the checks, reducing lag

yeah but it looks cool

I mean there was never a "need" for perimeters because people played the game just fine without them. It was always a vanity project to optimise something just for the sake of doing it

I don't think you ever needed to dig the chunk where your slime chunk based slime farm is. you can just spawn proof it and dig a few layers for the farm. It's just slower because of the spawning algorithm

@@flo0778 Sure, you could get started with it, but I suppose the rates of such "farm" was/is only a fraction of what a modern swamp farm produces. So previously you where kind bound to make some sort of perimeter for slimes

I wanted to dig a perimeter with a world eater for the experience but i struggle to find a farm to put in the middle, in the overworld everything seems to be productive enought without, so i decided i'll do it in the nether. It' better to remove bedrock first and world eater or double tunner bore + world eater?

What does bedrock have with fire aspect? I haven't heard of that before, sounds neat.

leaves farm using ravagers?

@@alkyycarovny8334 do the leaves even drop?

And water cauldrons somehow work

magma cube spawning is the same as slime spawning therefore the effects on local difficulty by the moon phase will also affect the average size of magma cubes minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty

Copy-pasted code, that's why

i dont think adding more entities is a good idea tho? might be wrong

@@khiemgom more frogs is a good idea.

Adding frogs may actually decrease the total number of entities since they eat the magma cubes faster. I'm pretty sure there is a lag-optimal number of frogs for every farm. If frogs are so inefficient because of their movement behavior, minecarts could help. Both of these need testing though

Tbh the amount of dedication to the game to produce a decent farm design is too unhealthy unless it's your full time job

​@@YounesLayachi nah some farms can be designed quite quick

Designing my own farms is still fun for me. Running into problems and figuring out solutions.

Yeah, ideally want to have fun making own farm and then when done, tear it down and build a more efficient community vetted design xD Cause there's no point in keeping inefficient or laggy farms long term in a world

And admittedly this is a bad example to illustrate because magma cube farms are too simple xD

Spawner farms are pretty slow anyways and not that much easier to build than other farms. I will probably build something like the second design in my world (maybe scaled down a bit)

Thank you so much, I found out that this is the problem on the server that I'm playing on through your comment!

Thank you for putting this comment in. i've been working on one of these farms and have looked all over the place trying to find the reason for my farms just making magma creams and this is the only place i managed to find even a hint about what might be the problem. disabled the data pack and wow, the stuff works. now hopefully i can find an updated datapack so i can have both. thank you again

I tried out a design based on that but did not scale up well, although it can make a simple to build farm that produces about 5000 frog lights and 500 magma creams with only 320 spawning spaces. So way simpler and a little faster then using a magma spawner. I then have a a larger one which I am still fine tuning that uses strips of portals with spawning platforms in between which is producing 80k and 8k. Neither one uses spawning inside portals and manages to almost keep the nether clear of mobs. What I have found to be the real limiting factor is how fast you can break down the large and medium cubes and get them to the frogs. I am my forth revision of the killing chamber which is near lossless on the magma creams using the and same large spawning setup as above initially was giving me 50k / 4.5k initially. So the biggest improvements in rates comes down to efficiency on the overworld side of things. I have a couple more long run tests to do to make sure it does not break, which can happen due to a uneven distribution of small magma cubes eventually killing frogs from entity cramming. Once I am sure I have that worked out I am going to double my setup on the nether side and see how it goes. I may also try attaching my killing chamber on the large portal based one from Ilmango for comparison. Eventually the limiting factor becomes mspt.

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@@Cera_01 :)

Possibly not as efficient, but cactus with bait golems above (held with fences) might work for you, if you can get the cactus from a wandering trader.

Considering you have always been able to place snow and ice in the nether, I doubt it.

no you AFK in the nether

I assume the frog lag comes from jump calculations, and honey makes the ai skip trying to jump since it limits the jump height. So it probably doesn't help the same way with any other mob, except maybe goats :3

Keeping the villagers from jumping would be the only benefit, if you prefer an open-air setup. You can also use it around the trading farm, to keep zombies from jumping to them.

Not a bug. However frogs calculate where they would jump if they jumped right now, and do this a lot. This creates a lot of lag if you have a lot of frogs. If you prevent the frogs from jumping, all this math is skipped

The frogs are never in the snow long enough to take damage

Or does light level affects spawning for magma cubes?

​@@actuallyakiwi5164 Light level is irrelevant

1. Carpet Mod 2. Carpet Mod 3. Carpet Mod

Basically: Carpet Mod LiteMatica MiniHUD Twakeroo

Ilmango made a video on it a while ago

Watch the video...

No.

I use my laptop to design farms because it forces efficiency, which means I can then scale them up when switching over to my desktop or server.

There are 2 types of shulker farm 1D and 2D, 2D are better, but 1D is a lot easier to build and the rated are also good. For single player world 1D is king. Wither farms are easy, unless you decide that you need 10k beacons in your world

oooh no have u made a shulker farm fuck sake i lost alot of hair doing that, but i learnt alot so thats something

It's not as hard as you might think

Could be some anti-lag plug-in doing the despawn. Maybe giving frogs name tags will persuade it to not despawn them?

@@a2e5 I tried that but one disappeared. The server owner thinks it might be a vanilla issue, like the frogs are jumping too high or something.

I noticed that the frogs get damaged by their own jumps! I lost one and started to monitor their health when one frog made a big leap and he lost half a heart. This is, at least in my book, a bug. Frogs are literally killing themselves with hopping to high and getting hurt. EDIT: To avoid fall damage from high jumps, just cover the whole area with powdered snow. It will prevent the frogs from high leaps and they are not taking any freeze damage.