Yew! Stoked dude. Yeah I think we will get back to some of what we were doing back then too sooner or later. Covid-19 is not helping much but this too will pass (I think anyway). Hope you still get out there once in a while and would love to hear what you think as I keep working on this Vlog style stuff. Still feels weird to talk into a camera without Nick sitting behind it ala Western Sessions WHICH is due for a re-watch at some point here (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/at6nn8uY17W7nYk.html). Thanks for the good word man! Take some runs for me! _Scott

@@originalskateboards I still have the disc for western sessions!! Its what got me into longboarding!! I actually just lost my original Apex 37 in a river..and unfortunately you don't sell that OG model anymore... I've even been looking for a used one.. can't find it and it sucks!! It was my favorite board I have ever ridden and the camber on it just fit me so well...looking into loaded icarus as the closest thing to it today...might pull the trigger in a few days and order it and slap my original S8s on her. Hope to see original make a come back!! Lotta love from an old fan!!

Dude whaat! How's life? I remember catching some of your first videos way back in the day and being stoked on how honest you were with the camera about the process of getting into riding and everything in genreal. Can't tell you how impressed I am with everything you have built and the way you work with in the more complicated elements of KZfaq (in this incarnation and the last hah) and make it feel seamlessly enjoyable the entire time. That deep understanding while apparently loving every minute of it (I know it's work sometimes but you know what I mean) is #goals as far as I am concerned. Hoping to do at least SOME building toward the future as opposed throwing back to the past in here someplace haha Would love to catch up sometime, Thanks for the good word! Scott

Dah that's my favorite deck haha I wish we still had the wolf graphic and I can't even count the number of tricks I learned on that deck. It's on the top of the list to develop further this year or at least early next year if we can't get it done for Holiday. Arthur Job has been pushing me to run a full carbon variation with just a touch more kick. No idea what we will see out of him if that happens but I know it's going to be ridiculous.

@@ScottImbrie I was back and forth between it and the Arbiter DK but a carbon variation with more kick would have been the choice! No competition.

@@malique.g I hear that. Some stuff has to go right to expect they this year but I would be very surprised if we don't see it by Spring. Maybe 50/50 for Holiday / Fall but I'll keep you guys posted for sure as we move through the process.

That setup is ridiculous man. The S8s / S10s don't really work right (or at least not the way we wanted them to work) without a flexy board and ideally a flexy board with an asymetrical flex profile to generate that surfy drive from the back. People are down on rear steer but thats the only thing a surfboard does most of the time and that's exactly what we were looking for from that Custom 35. I would love to go back over to the dark side and start messing with flex again, I do think there is a place for it even in the high end DH stuff (albeit totally different than what we are talking about here) so learning more about it in general is something I am stoked on. Hard to believe you got a hold of all of those boards out of the UK. I can only imagine that took some gymnastics of some sort to make it happen. Thanks for the support and stay in touch! Hope to get some stuff out that does the old stuff proud. _Scott

Ah man thanks for saying so dude. Skating was a huge deal for me as a kid and kept me out of trouble through some pretty serious shit. Getting more people on a board is really the reason we have kept at it all these years. That and working with longboards is insane fun - thanks for making it possible and thanks for taking the time to say whats up.

Thanks dude! This is one of those 'chip away at it projects' hah!

Dude I am gaining on you. About to be 38 hah! Rocking the right trucks for whatever your hills look like really does make a difference. That goes for stuff that is slower / smaller in the same way the serious guys running DH ride specific stuff and have more fun because of it. Stoked you found something you love and I really do appreciate the support. No idea how you got a hold of all that stuff in the UK but I have to believe it was full on commitment to track it down. Hope to get over that at some point and have a skate, Sam Holding (who edits these cuts for me) is UK based and it's been way too long since I was wandering around slamming tea like it was water.

If you make it over let me know, have some good spots over here, not quite as good as over there though. I'm gonna carry on skating until I physically can't anymore, and all thanks to your boards, I don't know why its not more popular as a pass time and why more people aren't desperately trying to get hold of your stuff, such a shame, your apex and vecter in particular have to be the best / most advanced boards out there! One day more people will see the light!

Will do for sure. I added you as a location contact in the UK so if we drop into your neck of the woods I'll hit you up so maybe we can grab a pint and hit some hills (hopefully my meds let me partake by then hah!) The best part about being away and coming back is that I don't even care what board people ride anymore. I am building stuff that I want to ride (and hopefully you do too) and trying to avoid chasing whatever trend is in shapes and shaping. Probably that is going to mean some weird shit but hopefully it will mean more creativity and less of a grind leading to more boards and ideas we haven't seen before. There are enough people making the basics I think. Thanks for the stoke dude! Stay in touch. _Scott

@@originalskateboards looking forward to seeing the new boards but glad your still making the old ones, I think you could leave the apex the same for the next 20 years and people would still be buying it. I have just purchased one of the diamond drops that came back in stock my son has been desperate for one for a while, had to pay a lot for postage but totally worth it for the look on his face. Hope you feel better soon , maybe have that pint one day.

Between the fire extinguisher and the moldy ceiling tile I think I've got just about everything I need to evolve longboarding in 2020.

You and me both dude. Covid-19 has pretty much destroyed and semblance of an efficient supply chain for essentially the whole planet (and every longboard brand I talk to!) Hopefully we can get that settled down but shipping by boat is taking like three times the norm and even air freight is killer slow these days. Obviously that doesn't bother us as far as boards since everything is U.S. or Canada but trucks are a different story for us and everyone else (if you know someone doing casting in the states I am all ears!). Cheers for waiting dude!

Scott Imbrie I feel you there! I have no issues waiting. I originally emailed y’all around September last year. So I’ve been checking ever since 😂

@@logslides how nuts is that haha If that doesn't let you know just how much clean up has needed to occur at OS beyond the obvious in this garage I don't know what does. HOPEFULLY we have some of that in a better way this year than it was last year when I came back.

Scott Imbrie hey you gotta clean some time! I’m excited for the new stuff to come out! If you need someone to test them out, you got a loyal rider right here 😉

I am pretty much 100% sure we will need some help with that at some point dude. This time around my goal is to not let these things gather so much dust once we run through the proto round they are associated with. I think they SHOULD be out there being ridden even if they diverge from the production board for one reason or another! _Scott

There for sure were bushing based OS trucks. And there were some hybrids based on a design I saw some dude on the old silverfish forums create that used a standard bushing AND a spring. Most of the issues surrounding the trucks relate to not being able to generate enough resistance, that goes for springs AND bushings mostly due to the fact that we have an additional basic machine (wavecam) that more efficiently leverages whatever force the rider generates into the resistance mechanism. We basically found that the bushings need to be super fucking hard to come anywhere close to the spring resistance or that we would need some changes to the trucks themselves increase the amount of resistance they generated to compensate. On top of that it would basically throw what everyone knows about the correct bushing durometer for their weight in the garbage and require education from scratch on that topic (which is hard). All of that isn't to say it's not worth it, but it is to say that the complicated mechanics of the trucks combined with the fact that the RKP platform is essentially open source with a million people working on bushings, some more people working on pivot cups and yet more people working on precision hangers et al. resulted in some huge developments there that far outpaced anything we could do on our own. I think you can count the number of reasonably effective alternative truck designs (ie. not RKP / TKP) on one hand and only one of those (that comes readily to mind) works in the current DH based setting that pretty much all trucks are not expected to excel in. There is a reason for that (it's hard, and expensive) so if we want to actually do it we would have to (I think?) drop pretty much everything else and focus on nothing but that. Since right now I feel like there is a lot more different stuff we can do that isn't in the trucks side of things I am putting that on the backburner for now until we get through some of the more impactful stuff that hopefully will contribute to the way people make decks for the next however many years. Which of course may not work. Regardless that's the plan atm.

Right? Ready to change the world right here, one stack of junk at a time haha

Might be time to come back into the fold I feel like! _Scott

Hah that shit you experience stacks up over the years haha I will for sure check the yoga out, my dad is huge into it. These days I am focused on strength training to try to keep my chronic fatigue symptoms tamped down. Finally getting enough aerobic capacity back to paddle in the lake and start training for surfing again now that my heart has decided to function properly when exerting myself and laying down. That said the strength training for the CFS needs a counter weight and yoga would for sure help there. Thankfully I am back on a board (albeit doing minor stuff) and got a decent snowboard season of travels (Breck, Whistler, Mt. Hood, Tahoe) in before Coronavirus cut that short. The snow stuff has always been easier for me and plus it doesn't kill you as bad if you mess up unexpectedly (although I have two busted wrists and a rib which would argue otherwise). Regardless. More yoga is needed. Thanks for the stoke dude, stay in touch! _Scott

That's where I was headed too. The weird thing is that as you reduce the angle you actually increase the amount of leverage that a given riders weight generates which makes whatever spring / bushing / resistance mechanism that you have in there LESS effective overall. Given that the WaveCam mechanic is already a more pure translation of the leverage the rider is generating that is not a great combination. Essentially I would max out the white spring super easy even as a 150lb bean pole without even trying (not that I am anymore). Basically to drop the angle we needed to change the resistance to something other than a spring, and urethane was complicated because again, it generates way more leverage which makes a 'hard' bushing for an RKP feel super freaking soft. I think that's why some of the other urethane based trucks that have been successful with different mechanics (read: Rojas etc) have gone away from a traditional durometer reading, or at least labeled it some way that makes sense relative to normal bushings even if the duro is actually different. Per usual things that are more complicated to start with get more complicated as you attempt to improve them, so if you want to really do it you have to pick that project as the one thing you are going to do and block everything else out. I think it's doable but right now the ideas I am working on are much more toward decks etc. since the evolution of urethane formulas (see: IDF banning race wheels that are not publically available) and precision mechanics has pushed standard RKPs forward in a huge way.

@@ScottImbrie yeah I mean my first deck was a pintail 43 with white springs on s10 trucks and boy was that thing so agile. Probably fast tracked my way to strong downhill ankles. But I think the original truck design can be improved. Cause essentially they truck has very low slop. Even when it was available almost 10 years ago. I think Scott. If you tried getting a even stiffer spring and try a low degree. It could have some good results. Cause I've been trying to eliminate as much slop in my current trucks and I just know there's a better way. And Rojas is truly ahead of its time. But it's overly expensive for most. I've tried over 15 different trucks over my years and nothing has yet to be as agile and leany as s series trucks. I know development is not cheap. But even small adjustments to strength in the cam wave ( I broke a few cause I'm 200lbs haha) and a stiffer spring could wield some unexpected performance boosts for a truck as unique. I think at a time where this industry is struggling. I think we need innovation and looking back at old ideas and seeing how we can update them. Much love dude. Kick ass. Making me want to order some s trucks and tinker myself haha

Fast tracked downhill ankles is right! I was actually just talking to a girl from Holland about how OS trucks are sort of a hybrid that falls between a surf skate setup (ie. with the pivoting front truck ala carver etc) and a DH longboard. The advantage being that you are actually building the balance skills and muscle memory that DOES help on the big hills, while rocking the S8s or S10s on the flats (I don't know why we even make S6es). Stiffer spring on the lower angle is def where we will head with this but my plan is to take some of the stuff that Rojas learned (or we learned through Rojas?) and incorporate / combine that with the spring concept to handle the additional torque / leverage. I think it will work. You are right though the small changes are really where things build and improve. This year is about boards because we have some really different stuff that will come from the small changes you will see to the line up. It will seem like more of the same that you see elsewhere but the reason we are focused on boards this year will be a lot more clear next year. Stoked to see what you think as we inch toward that goal! I promise we will get back to improving the trucks. _Scott

Trying dude trying. Every time I think I am through the pile of work on the proverbial OS desk another stack gets set down. Regardless just focusing on trying to do it right to make what we do every day easy and accurate. I think that's what opens to doors to really go off the beaten path with the development stuff the way I want to. Time will tell I guess.

Scott Imbrie cool man! I am really interested in OriginalSkateboards so keep doing ur best! Can’t wait for dd40 to return! Already got a giftcard covered! Wohoo

​@@wem0re856 Yew! Me too haha I've been trying to improve the way we run the graphics for like 10 years now (ie. since the first carbon apex in 2011) and I *think* we might finally have that sorted. Regardless that's why it's been a bit more delayed. Hoping to run one more round of the current 2015 (albeit with the new high res art) and then move on to improving this thing for Spring next year. If I learned anything being a way it's that skateboarding (and longboarding) moves forward incrementally. That goes for tricks you learn every time you go out and developments on our side need to work the same way. If you go to big, you miss, don't improve and nothing changes.

Scott Imbrie how interesting so there will be a new graphic design on the apex 40? If so, awesome! You are right man, I got a board from alohalongboards rn with big 75a wheels with no tail haha, so I can’t wait to get the DiamondDrop 40, I’m checking my mail every day. I have strong feeling that things will run smoother with that board. I’m invested in OriginalSkateboards future and what you guys will come up with for the apex series!

@@wem0re856 new art for sure this spring BUT better / higher res version of the current art (hopefully, will see on Thursday or Friday) should be on the next round of A40DDs that hopefully will be back next week or the week after. Gotta see how it holds up before I make any promises but we are working on some really cool stuff on the graphic side of things.

Short answer: I don't Long answer: it takes time.

Stoked you are back man! Me too. Have fun, stay safe and keep in touch. Sort of awesome to see so many people getting back into it. Feels like momentum to me.

@@ScottImbrie I got to ride a skateboard to accompany my son, but he took it for me, then I got another one for me but I wasn't excited and I always wanted to go long because I like slides. Now I need to adjust the best configuration of the long and I'm already very excited. thank you and you are safe too.

Watch out though, once you start buying boards you tend to get more until your garage looks like mine. Keep in touch! _Scott

Hah! Yeah no doubt. That's what you get when you build a surf skate truck and then the whole industry goes downhill I guess? I don't think we did a good job making it clear what the trucks were for and I personally did a bad job pushing to see what we could do on them, or maybe just not improving them as we knew what the limited was. Hence the Memes!

@@ScottImbrie yeah, it definitely seems like making it clear is key. After all, Sector 9 has surf trucks, but the clear distinction between their cruiser offerings and their downhill division seems to have insulated them from similar ridicule/criticism. But as far as I'm concerned, it's just cool to see a longboard company put out something new instead of shutting down like so many others. So good luck, y'all.

@@comicog3 yeah nah, sidewinders still got a massive fuckton of hate, too many people bought their first board without doing research and then struggled at speed with them.

​@@PixDDD This always confused me. Somehow Sidewinders and OS trucks were bad but no one gave a shit that Carver focused full-on on surf skate dynamics and is making more money every week these days than most of us in longboard / dh peons ever did in a year. Not saying it's bad, but it is confusing. I always looked at beginner boards like snowboarding or surfing. Not everyone is going to race border cross so why would we start them out on a border cross deck? Shit half the ski hills in the world don't even have a course (and a lot of the U.S. is flat as fuck / doesn't need the same skate gear) I don't know that you get to the destination faster as a beginner by starting on a high end DH capable setup even if that's where you want to go. Maybe? I agree that being able to control your speed is critical at all levels but I don't know that starting people on pure DH stuff gets them to a place where they can comfortably stay safe / have fun on any hill they come up on any faster. I think that's the discussion we all need to have (and sort out) if we really want this sport to go beyond where it was last time and to be more than just a fraction of shortboard / street skateboarding that it has always been. I want to see the best DH guys get paid and I do think that we need to think about the equipment we are putting the average rider on if we want to get there.

They are back dude! Springs are back too but we are running a new barcoding system to try to make sure everyone gets the right stuff that's causing some issues with springs. Meg and Sam are hustling on that as we speak so my guess is that is done with by later this afternoon. I will hit you back here as soon as I have word it's all set! Edit: misunderstood what you meant! On the parts (hangers baseplates or anything else not on site) just give a ring we can hook that up.

@@ScottImbrie you the fucking GOAT Scott! Clean up moma's garage so we can start some seeing R&D!!! 💚💛❤

Haha I don't know about that G.O.A.T. stuff dude, One of the reasons I wanted to start shooting this stuff was to show you guys that a lot of this stuff pretty much anyone can do it (no goats required) as long as you stay focused. Focused being the hard part (particularly with a garage with this much junk in it). Only plus side of the U.S. passport being no good anywhere is plenty of time to clean up (and plenty of focus to devote here). Generally making some progress but I swear with Covid-19 it's two steps forward and one step back. I'm not sick and thankfully neither is anyone else at OS but just the impact / complications with everyday business is nuts. Hoping we get this stuff under control so we can sleep easier and get back to exploring. Thanks for watching dude!

Fully not discontinued! There are a few boards that will be this year but the DiamondDrop isn't going anywhere. I feel like if a board somehow survived five years with zero changes (and a ton of people enjoying it) the odds we can't make it better are probably pretty slim. It will always have it's strengths and weaknesses like any board but the DiamondDrop is way too unique across the industry (see: noseguard, drop that helps with ollies, carbon reinforcement neck and center, et al.) to drop out of the lineup. Regardless the fact that I left and it went 5 years without being worked on is for sure as confusing to me as it is to you. Hoping to fix that but yeah, for sure not discontinued.

@@ScottImbrie I just want to be able to buy that board instead of always looking at it but not being able to buy it

haha I hear you dude. No one wants there to be DiamondDrops on the shelf more than me. I can't get to making the next one until we sort out the production lines for the first one. Def can't make something new when you can't keep up with the current inventory. Ideally the guys will be on those graphics today but I need to go over the heat transfer docs to make sure they know what they are getting into as far as the proto aspects of the art since we are running something different today (or tomorrow). If it goes well we should have a few boards 10-20 (Apex 40 DDs) available this weekend / early next week with more on the way toward the end of the month. Sorry about the wait! _Scott

@@Wortwort-Spooderbat yo dude it's back. If you want one come get it! On site now. Not a whole ton of em but this will be it for a few weeks while we get the supply chain in a better cadence per board.

@@ScottImbrie just ordered one 👍

Hey Double - First off stoked to see some serious surf skate experimentation (see my avatar hah!). We started OS working toward that exact goal although the result ended up being more like power carving down the line and less like surfing top to bottom (where the nose is more weightless). There are a couple possibilities on the back truck. 1. You are correct - sometimes the aluminum casing for the white wave cam CAN remain sharp after being machined. This can score the wavecam and may need to be addressed either by sanding the edge of the casing tube (closest to the hanger) or by replacing the baseplate entirely. I would say send it back and we will fix it up but being in the EU it sounds like it might be better to fix it up in the garage. 2. For ANY squeeking truck (ours or otherwise) the best (and weirdest) solution is Bar Soap shavings. I don't know why it works but it does - whether you are on RKP trucks (Paris, Caliber etc) OS trucks or anything else, shaving a bar of soap with a cheese grater and then putting the shavings in the pivot cup (or in OS trucks case, inside the casing) has a dampening effect and really quiets them quick. We are here to help, can't wait to hear how that setup rides. My guess is the OS truck in the back with the surfskate pivot up front will make a longer board more surf-skate-ey (which normally doesnt work so hot). Thanks for checking in man!

Thanks for your answer Scott! Will definitely let you know how the setup turns out when it is ready. Of course I will do a clip featuring the modified OS Pintail & let you know. Thank you again - Dan

@@ScottImbrie Hey Scott, I finished the setup but it's still raining a lot. Here is a link where you can see what it looks like. So far it is simply amazing. Took ist outside for a short sidewalk session. Cannot wait to take the Original Pintail surfskate to the hills! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9eIrMVpttXafHU.html

@@DoubleOverhead looks like fun to me man! Can't wait to see it on the pavement and ripping of turns. Bet the extra lean in the back gives a bit more drive in some cases and let's you finish the turn more efficiently in some cases!

@@ScottImbrie Hey Scott, here comes the first session. Cheers! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qN6Rp9hi0seVo6M.html

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