40k Replacement Starter Sets! Better or Worse?

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11 ай бұрын

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@EonsOfBattle 11 ай бұрын

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@totalCoolerUsername 11 ай бұрын

Building and painting the small starter set only with the box content paints sounds like a cool challenge

@brothersgrimdark 11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same. Could be a good video trying to do it with a few sets new and old. Do it @eonsofbattle

@MrShukaku1991 11 ай бұрын

Yeah. The gaunts should be decently easy, having an off white and purple in the box, but the space marines are going to need some work.

@brothersgrimdark 11 ай бұрын

@MrShukaku1991 yeah mate 100% You could get something decent I guess at least you have black and white. Box art is a stretch though. I know im not good enough for that

@H_elios 11 ай бұрын

It's a really bad brush from my experience. I guess that part of the challenge

@escplan1011 11 ай бұрын

Challenge? I’m doing that right now with the Necrons and Space marines starter set because I’m new to the table top 😭

@weston5716 11 ай бұрын

Jay: “It’s fiiiine…” Narrator: “But it was not fine, and his disgust was evident.”

@nobbymcnobs8721 11 ай бұрын

the starter coming with paints and tools now just makes it objectively better than having to pay like 100 euros just to see if you like painting minis

@goggler2 11 ай бұрын

Yeah i think if you've never painted warhammer before its a good start.

@calebbarnhouse496 11 ай бұрын

The problem is it's all horrifically overpriced tools, and they dropped plenty of stuff from the last box to include some basic supplies, that also limits what people want to try to paint

@Cerderius 11 ай бұрын

As long as it ends up being cheaper than buying the Recruit Edition and Paints & Tools set. (About $105 CAD) otherwise the deal won't be as evident.

@nobbymcnobs8721 11 ай бұрын

@@Cerderius yeah i feel like the intro set would be at least a good bit cheaper, would be ridiculous otherwise

@sleeplessknight99 11 ай бұрын

For painting, you could've always just got either the assault intercessors and paint set or the Necrons and paint set.

@distant1334 11 ай бұрын

wake up babe eons of battle uploaded

@6Grey6malkin6 11 ай бұрын

It would be cool to try painting the boxart with just the paints included in the new starter set. See how achievable it actually is.

@PaintsOnA4Up 11 ай бұрын

I remember when working for GW I had to paint the 8th Ed starter set using only the paints you could get in the starter boxes. It was fun 😅😂

@souledgar 11 ай бұрын

Bwuh? The starters before 10th didn't come with paints. Did you mean the paint/tools set or paint set with like 3 models sold separately?

@PaintsOnA4Up 11 ай бұрын

@@souledgar yes I did mean that. They were still starter set 😅

@DiceDweeb16 11 ай бұрын

16:50 I literally did something extremely similar with the Necromunda dark uprising box set. I made cross sections with the cardboard from the amazon package that the set came in. Then I decided to separate the gangs from one another, as well as the terrain. It would be convenient if there were plastic or fold-out cardboard slats that they gave you in boxes like this skirmish boxset. Or maybe even in bigger boxes like Kill Team, who knows? It would be nice to have that extra storage space for specialist games.

@carysage 11 ай бұрын

Picked up Leviathan last night. Came home from work to find my Artis Opus texture pallet and dampening pad had arrived. Then I turned on KZfaq and found a new Models and Memories... This weekend is off to a good start!

@Denbot7 11 ай бұрын

Man, the Warcry Team seem so passionate and creative. Everything they’ve done is just so good. And it worked for me! I have finally decided to jump in and start playing that game. It has some of the best and most interesting models and rulesets out in the GW range.

@JMcMillen 11 ай бұрын

The new Warcry starter set war bands appear to be around 600 points each, so there might be some small rule changes for smaller games. I want it as I like the terrain and was already considering getting a 2nd Crimson Court for use in other games.

@DiceDweeb16 11 ай бұрын

14:00 Oh yeah. You mean that mat that had a stone strip leading to a (hexagonal?) Base foundation towards the one corner? I forgot the name of it as well. It was also surrounded by orange slag lined tiles leading up to/around the strip. I can see it in my thinking meat right now as I'm typing this. There was also the lunar moon base mat if I can recall correctly.

@dukehollace40 11 ай бұрын

The warcry box looks to be reusing some underworlds teams.

@gramitoncleric7 11 ай бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only person that noticed.

@dextersamson8286 11 ай бұрын

@@gramitoncleric7Stevie Wonder noticed

@fernandozavaletabustos205 11 ай бұрын

This is a great analysis, thank you so much for your efforts!

@StarMarker6559 11 ай бұрын

LETS GO new Eons of Battle upload!

@newworldempire 11 ай бұрын

I bought the Recruit Set plus the Paint and Tools set to get into the hobby. I think bundling it together is a great idea. I kinda got Leviathan to get the two combat patrols so Ultimate Edition might have been a better choice for me, but it's nice to have the full rulebook and my kids are obsessed with the Dreadnought and Screamer Killer.

@xaxscratchxax926 11 ай бұрын

I mean, the screamer killer has to be the coolest bug in the box amd the dreaddy has huge laser cannons and rockets. The kids were destined to love them.

@martinturner5484 11 ай бұрын

Funny you should mention it. I'm currently trying to 3d print some box inserts for underworld to do exactly that. Its an actual board game and I want to treat it as such.

@chadkittleson5447 11 ай бұрын

Blitzbowl does a good job of being a GW box that is self contained. Has the vacuum formed plastic insert, so we know they can do it.

@DashOr 11 ай бұрын

I guess all the small box games do like Blitzbowl and Bladeborn f.e. I got Space Marine the boardgame, the new Underworlds Starter Set and the new combat patrol set on preorder and Im intrigued to see if they handle it the same way.

@Volucan 10 ай бұрын

Love the vids man! The wife and I used those box inserts as terrain when we first started. But yea love the reviews!

@aroncheek5092 11 ай бұрын

Agreed , I don't play ATM but I do have a recruit edition, I still only have 4 units but don't plan to stop painting now I'm started again

@bobrbw 11 ай бұрын

I would say can’t wait for the orks to get the limelight, but I GUESS some of the Eldar’s models are older than me so I GUESS that they should get it more

@lizadon0740 11 ай бұрын

Always a great way to start a Friday.

@colbybastian17 11 ай бұрын

Omg I LOVE nemesis. I use those models as Nids proxies in OPR. They're gorgeous and paint up so well.

@Willabrador 11 ай бұрын

Superb as always Jay!

@Tardigradico 11 ай бұрын

If you tried to get the box art with the introductory colors, I'd totally watch that video!

@mikewicked.x 11 ай бұрын

GW also released a couple of Neoprene Blood Bowl mats when they brought that back too - 2016ish.

@6dragondaddy913 11 ай бұрын

Ripper Swarm is now part of the Gaunt squad, they're on the same data sheet.

@commodusleitdorf2726 11 ай бұрын

GW actually did release that Warcry mat in a 4x4 version back in early AOS, I believe 1st edition around when they also release the rules for Skirmish. Its been OOP for years now and it wasn't cardboard or neoprene but cloth. To this day I regret not buying it.

@dabozgnome 11 ай бұрын

The Dreadfleet mat is a satin sheet and it is absouly gorgeous. I have held of painting it for years as i want it to be perfect.

@richardrussell7082 11 ай бұрын

Feldherr do some really good custom and variable foam inserts for a variety of game boxes.

@kliffundersen 11 ай бұрын

If i correct Warhammer fire team game has the plastic formed to store the mini and other things that bring the box.

@taskendeer 10 ай бұрын

I love the idea of the introductory set and how it actually contains every aspect of the hobby, from the start, in one box. From painting to playing. Actually thinking of buying it to finally actually start my own journey into 40K, because it's a good and easy way to start something and get into it completely. It's great value for a beginner, even better than the last edition i think.

@84jesterx 11 ай бұрын

I'm going to have to grab that first 10thE starter set. Did some eBay pick & choose purchasing and I don't have the Flamethrower Marines yet. Weirdly I could definitely use more Mcgragge Blue. Somehow I finally used all of my previous pots up since I started last June. And then 10 more termagants as icing on the cake. After that, I should be good with Leviathan! Now that new Warcry one? I will be pre-ordering ASAP!

@goggler2 11 ай бұрын

I bought the necron starter set last week getting back into Warhammer. Glad i did, got way to many tyranids already.

@homicidalbanana 11 ай бұрын

The CMON A Song of Ice and Fire core and army boxes come with plastic inserts that hold all the minis, cards and dice and can be reused. Out of all the tabletop miniature games I've collected they've been the only company to do it

@beanns6632 11 ай бұрын

I’ve been looking at that one but is it worth it?

@homicidalbanana 11 ай бұрын

@@beanns6632 Despite having the core and Night's Watch boxes I haven't played yet. A friend that I trust said they found the rules fun and easy and enjoyed the movement trays. I like the sculpts and I'm not put off by the repeated use of them for the no name, main troop units

@erickavery1 11 ай бұрын

*shouts in soylent green "The seraphon are people!!"

@cyberrabbit3921 11 ай бұрын

Have you ever tried humbrol paints they are mostly used for military kits but I want to know how good they actually are for warhammer

@magnusmillerwilson 11 ай бұрын

Command Edition is what hooked me on 40K during COVID, and I still appreciate how awesome it was.

@JachymorDota 11 ай бұрын

I really wish GW would embrace cardboard terrain. It's light, functional and Takes up barely any space in your box. Of course, you can't demand horrible prices for big, L-shaped blocks of plastics then.

@SpooKimi 11 ай бұрын

Tbh they could just print it on the box or on the inside, no extra costs as the box is already getting printed anyway ^^ Just cut it out and fold the terrain on the right lines to create the right shape :3

@JachymorDota 11 ай бұрын

@@SpooKimi now that's a great idea. I remember cereal boxes sometimes having cutout masks and stuff, so shouldn't be that hard.

@SpooKimi 11 ай бұрын

@@JachymorDota exactly ^^ And than they can also do a bit more Xenos vibe terrain like it's a lil sad that the terrain in the 40k box isn't jungle as the box has jungle vibes

@JachymorDota 11 ай бұрын

@@SpooKimi What, don't you enjoy 120 flavours of Warhammer DIRT?

@SpooKimi 11 ай бұрын

@@JachymorDota warhammer dirt is my fav, but this one is kinda missing the spice xD

@jack-a-lopium 11 ай бұрын

You could incorporate that terrain into your ad read for that company: Terrainspace, or is it Squarespace? I'm not sure...

@BirthofaPainter 11 ай бұрын

The bit about the Kruleboyz is very funny to me because I'm very not into the big bulky standard Orks, but I ADORE the lanky slimy Kruleboyz aesthetic.

@IamZeus1100 11 ай бұрын

The box including the paints and tools is awesome , wish I had that when I was getting in. Terrain is one of those things I’ve never thought about buying since both my local GS and the time I went to an official GW store both owners at them said it’s not really worth seeking out on its own to buy when 3D printers exist for the same price as some terrain sets

@odharrison23 11 ай бұрын

Brown dirt is the 2023 version of tan sand. I wish GW had a box organizer. Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!

@goroshadow 11 ай бұрын

There was a mat with grass, it's lovely

@OurCognitiveSurplus 11 ай бұрын

You 100% need to get that starter set and go all in using it to paint box art style

@alexdanke133 11 ай бұрын

I love the fact that Hero Quest comes with packaging where it goes goes back into its place! Makes things so much easier for the kids and me. Just get it down and I know where everything is.

@seanm8337 11 ай бұрын

Jay, please make a video of you painting a major mini, it would be the greatest collab of all time

@riley.mclaughlin 11 ай бұрын

Jay painting the starter set would be a good vid

@Imeran 11 ай бұрын

I have an official GW neoprene mat. It's called "Battle Mat: City Ruin" and has a weird size at 4'x4' when their table size was still 6'x4' at the time. Unsurprisingly, it didn't take off...

@marcusthethief3947 11 ай бұрын

Gw did a few vacuformed inserts with the fireteam (mini killteam) and bladeborn (mini warcry)games

@mikewicked.x 11 ай бұрын

For Gorechosen too.

@judemitch8135 11 ай бұрын

A family member is starting warhammer and I need to know what starter kit is best for him tyrants wise

@daangoes121 11 ай бұрын

Would they change the starter paint set? It is for necron and space marines and nothing for tyranids

@alvarolblanco 11 ай бұрын

I was waiting a bit before getting the leviathan box, but now is gone, I don't know if it would be available again and I don't know what to do

@timunderbakke8756 11 ай бұрын

Where are you located? It’s not too hard to find Leviathan still in the US.

@thescousegeek 11 ай бұрын

I love this Warcry starter set, but I'm subscribed to the new Stormbringer magazine, and we just got the truth seekers a few issues ago :-( I'm only a few months into the hobby so don't really want to start duplicating models already 😅

@timunderbakke8756 11 ай бұрын

Oh, I don’t like the paints and clippers mainly because it guarantees this will cost more than the box of gaunts. In 9th you could buy this box’s counterpart for basically the cost of the Necron warriors.

@B1-997 11 ай бұрын

Rip cheap gaunts and rippers in future.

@somerandookay6999 4 ай бұрын

I got my spacemarine combat petrol team using the medium starting box. I traded the tyranids at my local game shop for the Librarian i needed to finish it.

@BlUsKrEEm 11 ай бұрын

Song of Ice and Fire's vacume form plast is pretty nice

@justinmoore8826 11 ай бұрын

My very first set of minis was the command edition for 9th that I got for Xmas and omg I loved it especially since gw sent my grandma 2 of em for the price of 1!!!

@baronpapa88 11 ай бұрын

18:33 did you painted ur figures in Nemesis? And if yes, where is the tutorial? 😊

@intzbk1 9 ай бұрын

Hey Jay, rewatching because why not... :) Interesting fact, the Space Marine game available at Target for $40 actually has a 22"x30" double-sided real board in it instead of the paper ones included here. Weird isn't it? If they can afford to put that in a $40 game that includes 1 Lt. Titus, 20 'gants + 2 ripper swarms, why didn't they include board version in these? For the Warcry set, I have the models already but I wouldn't mind the terrain. Hopefully they'll list it separately in the future.

@chrisjulien7698 11 ай бұрын

Christ bless you, idk how I feel about the new 40k set but there is something to them ngl

@TheUnshippedcorpse 11 ай бұрын

I actually just got a little over 2,000 points of space Marines for a little over 300 on eBay, 6 characters including Logan Grimnar and Bjorn the fell handed, 30 grey hunters for troops and a redempter dreadnought, some thunderwolf cavalry and a few other units all really nicely painted. I've had some space Marines sitting around on sprue for awhile and recently picked up a pair of drop pods so I can't wait for them to get here so I'm very happy with that deal and I can't wait for them to get here! But I was actually looking for nids and necrons when I found that one, didn't end up finding any deals for them, i was the only bidder on the space wolves which is probably the only reason I got such a good deal there honestly.

@MTVENGE 11 ай бұрын

I think what seals the deal for me in the Ultimate Edition box is that the two FULL battle patrols are included in it for Nids and Marines. Its basically a kill team box (full teams + terrain) but for big 40k.

@souledgar 11 ай бұрын

Plus cost wise knowing GW prices these boxes, its going to be slightly cheaper than the two patrols put together, plus you get the terrain thrown in for "free". Its an awesome set for beginners.

@user-rm9qs4hz1p 11 ай бұрын

I will be getting the ultimate set but I really wish it had different terrain 😅

@miniaturefun-guy 11 ай бұрын

I want to see this painting challenge.

@PZY.Studios 10 ай бұрын

5:45 Your the guy sniping me of my terminators and apothocarys nice to know JAY

@brennonr 11 ай бұрын

the crypthunters game for sigmar has the vacuformed plastic insert

@thomasmonks5715 11 ай бұрын

I used both the paper matt and the cardboard one

@darrellslover6834 11 ай бұрын

i just bought leviathan box set and they didnt include the dang data sheets for the miniatures that came in the box we got some crappy black and white sheets , they didnt have everything you need to play, and that sucks

@olympical843 11 ай бұрын

they used goldpaint but didn´t include any color for that so that will be intresting

@trollwholivesu7258 11 ай бұрын

What’s wrong with the terrain? I thought you liked square spaces

@MrFildur 11 ай бұрын

Plz do that starter painting challenge!

@foreverfornever1124 11 ай бұрын

That intro box might be the best box set GW has ever produced to try and get folks in the hobby. I sort of did it this way in 9th. I bought the recruit edition and both SM and Necron paint sets for like $110 to start the hobby back in 9th. They really hit the mark with this one. I think a solid $70 would be perfect for this set

@GloriousGrunt 11 ай бұрын

The thing I find odd is that it's a one-off purchase, where as if you have brought the old one and wanted to expand your army you could buy another, but there is no need for more paint or tools so a second purchase wont make sense. I wonder if they have accommodated for this in their stocktake. But yea great for newbies or people after new paints.

@Ghost_the_fox_ 11 ай бұрын

Im a beginner(in the hobby for 3 months and only played like 3-4 games) and i just got vinyl/pvc flooring in a concrete optic as a battlematt haha

@throwabrick 8 ай бұрын

All you need to play on crappy paper maps is a big sheet of clear acrylic. You can use dry or wet erase markers.

@isaacstokes3132 11 ай бұрын

Hey question as someone who has only ever bought the ultimate starter sets instead of the full box (eg leviathan), do they re release leviathan again? It’s just that me and a mate wanted to split the box, but we didnt get our pay checks until this week, and we r now looking for a copy that isn’t RIDICULOUSLY marked up in price

@majorair1 11 ай бұрын

Unlikely. Indomitous didn't come back

@timunderbakke8756 11 ай бұрын

It’s not coming back, but depending on where you live you can still find ones not marked up. I can find one for under $250 USD (and 250 was the msrp) within a couple of mouse clicks.

@isaacstokes3132 11 ай бұрын

@@timunderbakke8756 i did find a couple but I’m in the uk, and all of the places I’ve found either wherent shipping to the uk, looked pretty suspicious as resales or where close to £400. Thx for telling me tho

@pqfire0950 11 ай бұрын

I want to do an army around the new terminators. Hope they sell them by themselves soon.

@petermartin9224 11 ай бұрын

No comment from Jay on the return of the Epic scale with Legion Imperialis? I thought he'd comment on that 🤔

@georgewright9223 11 ай бұрын

PLEASE buy the intro set and paint it using only the paints supplied!! I'm wanting to get something for my Nephew (13 years old) as he is really into art and drawing and I'd think he'd love 40k... But I'd love to see how it turns out with only 5 paints!! I'd probs end up getting him a wash or contrast paint to go with this into set, but would love to see this video if you decide to do it :)

@WarlockOfWiFi 11 ай бұрын

The Barnes and Noble boxed sets have those vacuum formed holders

@walktxrn 11 ай бұрын

Battletech Box Sets come like you're talking about, they don't quite have vacu-form plastic to hold everything, but everything in each of the boxes will fit back into the box. The standees are really nice too because they just collapse back down to 2D. Beginner box is basically a board game hiding the fact that is gateway dru... I mean game into the MechWarrior/Battletech universe ;)

@GloriousGrunt 11 ай бұрын

Ripper swarm mess up intentional?

@celambor 11 ай бұрын

Using more colours for the print would mean needing more ink, or different one A mat with only slight difference on the brown is IMO cheaper to mass produce

@morgantull4011 11 ай бұрын

It would be great if they brought back the sigmarite mausoleum. That was a great set

@mycatistypingthis5450 11 ай бұрын

It's also quite old, It was the Garden of Morr before. I should have picked one up.

@GloriousGrunt 11 ай бұрын

They should really bring back all of the terrain classics, They have had some bangers that are super expensive on ebay now

@magnusmillerwilson 11 ай бұрын

Totally agree. I’ve been trolling eBay and there are NO DEALS to be had. I’ll have to look for some bugs, though!

@JasemCatrall 11 ай бұрын

Risk has trays with lids for the armies.

@mr.sharpspoon6802 11 ай бұрын

Ah, an eons of battle vid posted a 3am, lovely

@boardofgames 11 ай бұрын

Mantic did the vacuform thing in The Walking Dead. Great set !

@Grrizz84 11 ай бұрын

At first glance I was meh on the small one but its actually a really good first box. The mid one is nice, just a solid collection of minis and at least the board is card and not paper. The big one... the terrain is a huge letdown... 2 combat patrols is nice but the old terrain was so much more interesting.

@brentknoll125 11 ай бұрын

I think it is going to be a good deal with the paints...My biggest problem is it hard to fine in my local store. GW supply the Local own stores!!!! I also have enough terrain right now so if the price right I am going get Warcry set.

@Deus888 11 ай бұрын

I think that GW make their 40k boards so dull so they don't take your attention from models when advertised. On the other hand the board for Warcry is very busy because there is only a handful of models

@regorminiatures8059 6 ай бұрын

i always wonder why they do their mugs so dull with just a color name printed on them, maybe is so they dont distract you :D

@maxspooky8991 11 ай бұрын

Jay you missed one small little reveal from the weekend

@kalebs6201 11 ай бұрын

Personally the new ultimate starter set appeals to me, if only because i bought two of the old so the new terrain will add more diversity to my collection