The assault on Terra being known as "the Cthonian failure" is one of the best 40k burns I've heard in a while. Actually made me go 'ooooh' IRL lol.

It should be noted that the perfect clone of Fulgrim absolutely hated what his legion had become, and had all the memories of the original Fulgrim, even rebelling against the Imperium, which the clone deeply, deeply regretted.

I'm surprised that Fabius Bile apparently never grew himself a groovy new primarch body to replace his own failing one.

There is also the possibility of the Horus clone regaining its memories when slaying abbadon, and realize to its horror what his original had done. This could even potentially mean that it would become hostile to the chaos gods and all the fallen astartes. A Horus that was no longer the pawn of the chaos gods would indeed be a really bad thing for the gods.

Well, don't forget that Horus had to be corrupted by Chaos. He was manipulated, poisoned, infected, slowly stripped of his reason and sanity before having whole chunks of his personality mystically removed. The creature that lead the Heresy to Terra was only in the loosest sense Horus. In any real sense it was simply what was left, hollowed out to be a vessel of power for the Chaos pantheon. Using the Clone of Fulgrim as a reference, he knew what his corrupted original did and was disgusted at his actions. Whose to say the Horus Clone, who by all accounts was only just awoken, wouldn't have the same memories? If so he would remember killing his beloved brother Sanguinus as well as all the other horrors committed. What then?

If Horus won: Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo. Imperium of Man: Ah shit, here we go again.

He did fail, now Horus' clone guises himself as Abaddon. That's why his kit is so big.

I mean, the dude fails at everything else, one more failure won't really hurt his reputation that much.

I thought the point of the Aeldari plot against Fabius Bile was to put a non Slaanesh worshipper in command of the Emperor's Children, thus taking a valuable weapon out of the hands of She Who Thirsts.

Imagine if clone Horus had killed Abbadon, Fabius would have access to the blood of Sanguineous and the Emperor from the Talon and who knows what he could have done with that... Also "II am not your son" I have always wondered if that was a rejection of the clone or a rejection of Horus entirely, personally I think he rejected Horus completely as a failure.

I have to say, I _love_ Stellar Elite's performance as Abaddon ! He really captures that feeling of brutality without being cartoonishly evil like Failbaddon in BFGA.

What if Abaddon failed to Kill the Clone of Horus? Then he wouldn't be the most expensive and ornately painted single model in my Black Legion army.

a classic 30k tragedy was made in memory of this event "the clone and the clown"

*Fabius Bile upon being asked to rule the traitor legions:* _You want me to do what?! DO I LOOK LIKE A RULER TO YOU!?_

Please dont ever stop making videos! I am officially addicted to your content. Great as always and very decisive look into the 40k universe and its endless possibilities!

In regards to the Cabal, I'll quote Eldrad from the final Beast War novel. "They played us all to their own ends..." They never intended to do anything but benefit themselves. The whole Horus Wins Chaos is destroyed prophecy was always a bunch of Hokum from those bastards. They just wanted to play humanity against itself to weaken it.

I've got another what if for you. What if Fabius Bile cloned the Emperor?

I think that the Fulgrim Clone actually had Fulgrim's soul, that the "Daemon Primarch" was in fact the Greater Daemon of Slannesh that ascended while still possessing Fulgrim's body. As for the Horus Clone, since Horus' soul was destroyed, a perfect Clone of Horus could only come to be a form of him with perhaps a shard of his soul and identity. I think though, at the end, Horus was repentant but the Emperor had to purge all his humanity to prevent Horus declining again and then becoming a Daemon Prince.

Easy, both his arms fall off and he reinacts the Black Knight scene from Monty Python

11:15 I like how that voice was done!

13:06 Sounds like Custodisis voice, if he were a giant space frog

Killing the clones of Horus must have been the wrong thing to do because he accomplished it so swiftly

Abbadon fail at something? What? Never!

If Failbaddon did not kill Horus's clone, he would be a true failure.

This is definitely one of if not my favorite episode. Tons of very convincing agendas all at play, awesome quotes, and the terrifying reality that was avoided regarding humanity's extinction. Great job!

The idea of Chaos madness ending with humanity like a plague that kills its victims too quick to spread further is interesting, but surely such a harvest of souls would offset the balance between the materials and the Warp forces beyound repair. Might end them up with a few new gods as well.

Horus did nothing wrong. But seriously, I think a reborn Horus would make for interesting times... certainly he'd be free of the corruption on his predecessor's soul, which means there'd be an *actual loyalist Primarch* in the Eye (as soon as he recovered his full memory). I get the feeling the Traitor Legions would be a lot weaker in the future if that were the case.

What if the emperor sent someone else to bring Magnus back to Terra? You know not his most hated rival in Russ, but perhaps Vulkan?

This is your best work yet. Very original and thought inspiring. Thanks :)

I personally think this is one of those hypotheticals that has too many moving parts for anyone to properly speculate on and I'm sure the whole reason why they had the Horus clone be a thing was to give Failbaddon the Armless a win to make his win/loss ratio slightly less sad

'The Flesh Market!!!' LMAO! I can just see Biles ship like some crappy nightclub crossed with a battleship.

Sees title. "what the hell, and why is it in my recommendations I never looked up any Warhammer 40k stuff"

Abbadon did fail to kill the clone of Horus. His 10 Chaos Space Marines shot the crap out of the clone with a crap ton of bolter fire.

It's good to see that there still are some fans who are serious and respectful enough to not bring their own views into a lore/alternate lore video. GOOD FOR YOU! :D

@40K Theories What if Guilliman met the clone of Fulgrim?

That Slaan voice is amazing

Abbadon is such a failure, he fails at failing and does a double negative roll to kill the most menacing individual to exist in W40K You'd think he suceeded, but he actually failed at his own failure to kill the clone of Horus

Plot twist: Abaddon is in fact experiencing an alternate version of what could have been. It won't be long now, until he is snapped out of it and turned into a chaos spawn.

this is interesting. thank you for this one.

I dunno why you didn't carry on with your train of thought of Horus having his weapon broke an getting his memories back because he surely would of taken up the title of warmaster if this was to have happened he would no doubt fold the back legion into the sons of Horus.

Great video as always 40k Theories.

pretty sure something similar to the Fulgrim clone would happen. it would just freak the hell out of everyone because they know that he is fake yet the clone is calling them by name and recounting stories that they lived through.

With 1K likes and only 7 dislikes I think you are doing it right! Great video!

Horus was a queen, with a high possibility of betrayal, chaos decided to ax the queen in the most effective way they could. They took a king with a queen. Imperium fights on, but their power was cut dramatically short. The chaos gods would never allow Horus to return to the game though, even if its a cheap copy, copy's can attract the fragments of his soul, that are hinted to be scattered within their realms. Besides they can't let someone who actually can do his job live, they need Abaddon the Harmless to keep running around smashing his head for more of their fun times.

Good work As Always, Battle Brother!!!, Keep them coming 😀!!!,If He Failed to kill The Clone of Horus, That's Could have a Great Inpact For Chaos Scum and Imperium !!, and Maybe Just Maybe Weakened the Chaos ..... Good Theory 😎 !!!.

Just an hour before my birthday! Excellent work, good sir!

*Sees title* THERE WAS A CLONE OF HORUS!?

that was a fucking incredible slann voice

so, the "I am not your son" tagline. did DnD & G R R martin write it first for Tyrion Lannister, or does the...archive of this circa 30K lore predate that?

Horus has a clone? ........man there’s so much lore in this universe

Good deep dive on the lore, cool!

Short answer, we couldn’t use the term Failbadon... at best it would save him his reputation

ooh, i have a theory for you to do, inspired by this video are the eldar trying to prevent humanities evolution? both the emperor and fabius want to create a new human species, one better than the primarchs, or even the emperor. what you said in this video made me think that the eldar want to prevent fabius from doing so. here's the theory: did the eldar take steps to ensure that the emperors "great work" would fail? we already know that as petty as they are now, the still seek to return to the position of the galaxies dominant species

Clone horus arrives on terra Everyone panic The emperor suddenly rises from his seat THE EMPEROR SUDDENLY RISES FROM HIS SEAT!

That Slaan voice was really good what the heck

I just paused the video and noticed that the two spinning bits in the background are out of sync and now I can't stop noting it

What is the old one retuned? Would he comando the tyranids more directly, rally all ork kind or unit all factions to fight chaos and necrons.

What's that chanting song in the background?

I think the most interestng possibility was left by the wayside here: The clone of Lupercal with his memories restored, would turn out like the clone of Fulgrim with his memories restored, and would in fact, be loyalist even if never accepted by the Imperium, cleared of the corruption of the warp and seek to lead his sons to redemption as Fulgrim tried to do before Bile sold him off for pack of cigarettes. Can you imagine the sheer amount of FUCK that would do for everyone involved?

Bile could have at least attempted to keep the cloned Horus from siding with chaos to at least deny them such a powerful pawn. they most likely would try to kill him at that point though, which means Bile at least would have the option of chucking him at Terra and hoping the Emperor would do something about that (which i'm sure he would. i mean, a Horus that hadn't actually done a bunch of shit but knew about it all so he could avoid doing it again while also having another Primarch at his side to do stuff? too good to pass up imo). even if the clone was stuck in the deepest dungeons of Terra, it would still be ridiculously difficult to get to him. also, i'm pretty sure the Eldar only say humanity has to die to get rid of chaos because they're butthurt about making things worse and the fact that the Imperium in the crown force of the galaxy at the moment

I reckon Horus woulda gone all good and tried to return to the Imperium or at least go on a Crusade of redemption.

He would finally get people to stop calling him Fabulous Bob.

Recently got into warhammer, my uncle gave me all his old stuff, and I found a mint condition (new in box) Cato Sicarius metal mini from his 93 run I think. (The wolverine model), should I add it to my ultramarine army or something else?

It was my understanding the Horus Clone only had his Mace but no armor.

Given abaddons track record, not only did he fail- but now there's a second horus clone somehow (two horus clones, not counting abby himself lmfaooooo), and he's accidentally wiped his own memory of the event

I'll admit, this one has me scratching my head a bit. Mostly because, if I have it right, Horus' soul was completely dusted and destroyed by the Emperor in their final showdown. Now granted there's rumors (and even the possibility) that pieces and fragments of it still drift in the Warp. But for all intents and purposes the original Horus is dead and gone, not even able to ascend to demonhood. So what, exactly, would his clone be in the context of the Warp? What kind of psychic presence would it have? Taking the premise at face value and he defeats Abbadon, would it grow it's own mind and spirit or would it serve as a kind of psychic flypaper to the remains of the original's spirit who could then use it to partially reconstitute itself? Either way would it then look on results of the Heresy, the destruction and devastation wrought in its name, and smile with pride, seeking to pick up where it left off or rather recognize just how it had been played and make an attempt at redemption? The re-emergence of Horus, even a knock off, would be a powerful weapon and propaganda tool for the Forces of Chaos. But it could be an equally powerful one for the Imperium as the prodigal son of the Emperor returns to the fold. Assuming the clone actually is able to have it's own will and mind or was able to get a least a enough of the old Horus back I would actually speculate it would turn its back on both Chaos (who caused it's original downfall) and the Imperium (which has degraded into the antitheses of the Emperor's dream for humanity) and strike out on it's own. Given its power and connections to the past (for good and ill) I could indeed see it attracting both loyalist and traitor legion alike to it's side, inspiring the former and redeeming the later, building up a kind of cult of reason dedicated to the Emperor's original intents, creating a kind of Reverse Heresy. That's my thought anyway.

Wait a second, a slann in 40k like a living old one in 40k

I think Horus still lives, divided into 4 still trying to finish the labors chaos originally gave him. Maybe eventually Horus will seek to reunite himself and his soul weakened will join the Ultramarines in fighting against Chaos. With shards of Magnus floating around I could see a similar fight with the infested demons in his body to purify himself from chaos as the exorcist chapter does to resist chaos. It would allow for a redemption story and maybe with Magnus returning he can let the Emperor rest.

Video idea: Would Argel Tal have stayed loyal to the Word Bearers if he had survived the Horus Heresy

The only thing Failbadon could do successfully.

Abaddon could have had a daddy to give him the huggos and kissies he truly wants and needs. That poor arm-less lad needs some affection to make up for his failings.

The basic premises rule this out. 1- the clone was not Horus, Horus' soul was annihilated. Just because you reconstruct the physical bits does not mean that a person is still there, ask Mary Shelley. 2-The powers of Chaos had bet on Horus and lost. We know that Fabius had constructed a clone of Horus. If your point is correct, who is the say that Abaddon was not the tool of the powers of chaos when he destroyed the clone? 3-Fulgrim's soul was not annihilated. As a result, the circumstances have to be treated differently. The clone of Fulgrim was not only physically viable, but arguably had full drums Soul, or at least a mimeograph of such a soul. Fulgrim was a sensitive sort when he was originally brought up on Chemos. Fabius did not alienate him or abuse him. There may have been legitimate affection. 4-The idea that the Eldar end game with Fabius was simply to keep him busy and not attack them is pretty sadly myopic. The Eldar are never that one-dimensional. There is a lot more to the game they're playing. Besides, they led Fabius right to a large group of Eldar.

Simple answer:40k might've have been blessed with a decent villain

If Horus won/survived, he would gather the traitors unto him and guide them to a mission now worth fulfilling. Instead of pursuing hatred and rage against the Imperium of Man, the Traitors would seek to build a new Imperium built more honestly upon the Emperors True dream and vision for mankind. This would create a massive schism among the chaos Marines as less hardcore and "only" Renegade chapters would be most likely to heed the Horus clone's call. Horus' clone could in fact have the Fulgrim Clone at his side in this endeavor. I can easily imagine lop-sided wars against the IoM at first, but some chapters already teetering toward Chaos would find Horus's "Rebel Empire" a very easy pill to take. Before too long the Horus and Fulgrim clones would change their names to avoid the negative connotations and deflect some of the ire of their original Daemon Primarchs. The IoM Sees no difference, but the Rebel Empire garners much support some even from the IoM itself. But the fact that the Rebel Empire is founded by the clone of the arch-traitor and a fell Primarch brother, plus so many chaotic and renegade Astartes... Even if the IoM at least unofficially wants peace with them, officially they have to pursue their annihilation.

Funny how chaos is always babbling on about worshipping a corpse emperor when the black legion literally worshipped a corpse

can you do a genetic heritage of the crimson slaughter

n00b question but can anyone explain what the hell that stupid thing on Abaddon's head is? Maybe it needs it's own 40k theory?

Has anyone else thought that Horus' clone may be a pre-Heresy version? What if the untainted clone reverted to his former, more noble self and ran amok throughout the Eye or made it back to the Imperium as Father's son? After all, the clone hesitated in felling Abbadon and that's not the tainted Warmaster's style (murder, mass murder etc came easily to him). Would Horus take his father's place finally?....

Hey Lord inquisitor are you and Fioura still Doing that Warp Warfare？

I am having trouble understanding the “in character” quotes. The sounds are a bit to fuzzy for my ears to discern what is being said.

Well there was the plan to give all legions back their primarch not just Horus so it is more likely to me once all the others were cloned their Daemonic versions would take notice as this would be seen as some parody of them and who knows maybe lorgar would actually do something other than writing fapfiction

Another scenario is Horus defeats but does not kill Abaddon, potentially leaving a loyalist Horus gathering armies to battle Abaddon's Chaos forces.

what book covers abbadon fighting the clone of horus ?

Is it weird I think Fabius is one of the coolest personalities in WH40K? Dude is just like "Yo cmon, leave me alone I jus wanna do science..." And everyone that's evil is like "Damnit, he's too useful to kill..."

Going into this I'm guessing not much; its just that Horus would be at the head of the Black Legion instead.

I managed to comment early on a videos life yay

Horus Clone housing the Loyal Shard of Magnus (the only reason why punny Abbadon won was because the Horus Clone lacked a Primach soul) and the perfect clone of Fulgrim becoming loyalists could be awesome.

Are 40k Slann and Fantasy/AoS Slann really the same kind of entities. Or is it just an approximation when using that picture?

OK i like this version of hte neverborn speech better. Less weeezy/drooling and far easier to understand while getting across 'oh shit. DAEMON'

I love that the Emperor's Children don't give a fuck and war with everyone after the heresy, shame they are so depleted and dispersed in the the 41st milenium, I would actually get into the hoby if they released a 40k Eidolon model, been thinking about maybe converting the 30k one 🤔 .

Backing music is a little loud on this one mate.

So Chaos thrives on the power of human emotions so it would follow that if there were no humans chaos would lose it's power. So with that logic surely Chaos would want humanity to become ascendant as the two things fates, Chaos and humanity are linked. I don't know why Chaos and it's gods are humanity's enemies at all.

we would have someone actually competent to fight.

Oh dang.

Then the Imperium would be screwed.

R.I.P. Thagus Daravek

What if Failbaddon had never failed and had his arms glued to him?

If the clone was victorious or at least escaped the conflict - Chaos would have lost Horus and likely many of his troops. Not a huge deal, but a diminishment. Clone Horus would be a nuisance and be picked off/apart by the vengeful Imperium eventually - but perhaps the Imperium would be even weaker after just one more front opened up on it by the warmaster. And down goes humanity - probably to Orks and Tyrannids - as even now they only keep pace. Here's a question though - What if Fabius Bile has all the primarch gene seed organ plans? Why can't he make his own if he can clone one? They weren't augmented humans - they were grown and whatever augmented organs they had - grew with them. Far more advanced than Astartes - Primarchs probably have more in common with Custodes in some ways - despite the talk about gene seeds and the "God Organ"

Fucking HORUS?!

Abbadon got lucky, had Horus (clone) been fresh, he'd have eaten Abbadon for lunch.