Poor Castus. Still, pretty damn metal of him to accept eternal damnation just for the chance to spit in Nurgle's face one last time. Big E would be proud.

Iron Warriors defected back into the Imperium. Alpha Legion: Just as planned.

"A loving parental figure is the best defence against the vileness of chaos"

Can traitor Astartes be redeemed? Dark Angels: *sweat profusely*

The Thousand Sons are prime candidates for redemption.

Chaplain: “This Space Marines traitorous soul has been redeemed...” Space Marine: “But... Brother Chaplain he’s dead now...” Chaplain: “Redeemed or Dead, there is little difference in the emperors justice that’s given to Traitors...”

10:30 Of course it ha to be a Salamander. God, I just love these guys.

Honestly, I see Kharn and Ahriman as redeemable, Kharn just seems like a guy who deserves a second chance and Ahriman just cares for his brothers and wants to find a cure for them.............and also a way to kill Tzeentch

This question is brought up a lot. The answer is really varied. Renegade Astarties may be "Redeemed" usually by penance crusade or by becoming a Black Shield. For Astarties like Lucius the "Eternal" or Kharne? Not on your life. And Angron had every reason to hate his father

Answer: Simple. Never be a traitor at all, like the Alpha Legion.

If the emperor has indeed become a true god of the warp in the past 10k years, then he may be able to wrench lost human souls from the chaos gods. In fact, I theorise that that would be the true meaning of ‘the emperor protects’. Then what is a miserable life of servitude in a hive, to an eternity in the bliss of the emperors light protected from the horrors of the warp?

*Hears "REPENT MOTHERFUCKER!" And the sound of a hammer hitting someone's face far away* Idk but...i think it's possible...

Welp, My Deathwatch Suicide squad of Traitor legionaires is now possible.

You might also have mentioned the case of the traitor White Scars during the Horus Heresy, who did not turn to the worship of the Ruinous Powers, but DID swear a soul-binding oath to support Horus and try to convert the rest of their legion. In the end, Jagahtai was forced to sentence them to death in combat to expunge their shame.

Short answer : No Long Answer: Sorta but still no

Of course they can be redeemed! Ask Asmodai 👌

*in an extremely Diomedes tone of voice* "no"

Only in death can they be redeemed...or be like TTS Magnus. Then again, he did nothing wrong.

I'm personally partial to a theory that Alpha Legion are still somewhat "closet loyalists", as per the Legion Horus Heresy book

The Emperor is all forgiving. But to send them there is up to me...

“If redemption is what you seek, then that is what I will give you.” -Gabriel Angelos.

Perhaps. Remember, by this point in the timeline, probably most Chaos Marines are not from the HH era - they were made from children captured, or even bred, by the traitor Legion/Chapter/Warband they are part of. They never personally *turned away* from the Emperor's Light, as it were, they never had a chance to be in it. I think they might be redeemed if they turned away from Chaos, actually *seeking* the Emperor's Light and service to the Imperium.

"What have a got in my pocket?" "...That's a hole in your chest, dude." "It's a CYCLONIC TORPEDO!" :D "NANI?!"

Its a nice hint in Dark Imperium novel, where it says how the Scythe of Mortarion is still untaintes,uncorrupted by chaos.the steel is still pure, still shiny.basicaly its the last piece of Mortarion belongings, what still contains his humanity, and its a remainder for him of his life before the heresy. I think deep inside mortarion seeks redemption, he hates nurgle and he hates that he is a pawn of a chaos god. If the Emperor would awake one day, and if they would talk, i see a chance for redemption for Mortarion. Same for Magnus, who never wanted to be a traitor, but was forced to flee into the eye of terror. Angron has every right to hate his father. The only way to save Angron, is to ressurect somehow his fallen comrades lost in the last battle on Nuceria, and tell him personally that he is sorry about it. Then and only then is a little chance to redeem Angron. Lorgar though is a treacharous piece of shit, and deserves no redemption. The night hauntera are simple maniacs, psychopats. And Fullgrim was lost when he killed Ferrus.

"...make him repent Asmodai."

I've worked on a fanfic where a chaos marine redeemed himself. He never rejoined the imperium of man he merely accepted that though he'd never be among his brothers again he could at least help them from behind enemy lines. His only companion being a lay priestess he saved from slavers with a severely damaged psyke. They travel doing small things to give hope to people born within the territories of chaos. I know it sounds way too positive for 40k but hey it was fanfiction and I had fun with the idea :) Redeemable or not I like the idea that maybe a little hope can still save them

1st Legion: *Sweats in Unforgiven*

The Night Lords serve neither the chaos gods nor the Emperor. No gods no masters. AVE DOMINUS NOX!!

To quote a sound bite from a loyalist Space Marine squad: “Burn, heretic!” I don’t think there’s any welcome arms in the Imperium.

Now I want a story about a Chaos Space Marine chapter going to war against their own patron god, either out of spite, a misguided sense that they can somehow "beat" their chaos god, or a genuine, unexpected change of heart. They'd be doomed to fail and face unholy punishment from their chaos god, but the battle leading to that grim end would be extraordinary.

Pretty sure, the answer to anything in the grim dark is "Only in death can (insert situation here) be absolved."

speaking of Magnus, there that that band of 1000 sons who were swayed back after that speech by that one remaining loyalist Emperors Children dreadnaught. Admittedly they all killed themselves shortly afterwards to destroy Fulgrim (or at least That Daemon that was still possessing his now mutated original body and left his soul inside a certain painting whilst blatantly lying to Horus that he was free. (I still think that a certain clone currently in Stasis really has a fragment of Fulgrims original uncorrupted soul.

THEY JUST NEED A DADDY

I don't think it is a matter of if they can be redeemed, but more of how could they be. Like what would they have to do, undergo, or endure to be redeemed. This would make it that some of the chapters that were not as corrupted might have to do something pretty understandable, but than others that were vastly more corrupted an turned from the emperor would have to do/undergo things nearly impossible. Imagine what they would have to do to reclaim their soul, fighting to a place in the warp that might hold their soul an reclaim it for instance.

Oh man, Rem, that was an awesome and in lightening episode. I've been asking you to do this vid, and you finally came through. Thanks, man.

A wise inquisitor told me, "ONCE A HERETIC! ALWAYS A HERETIC!"

When someone pledges their soul to Chaos one cannot be redeemed and you couldn’t trust them again even if they had “a change of heart”. The only thing to do is give them a good blamming in the head

That's a complex question with a very simple answer. No.

Shouldent the 2 thousand suns sorcerers be counted too who died because on rylenor on istvan

I remember a story of a plague marine who with the help of a eldar farseer renounced his loyalty to chaos and died fighting his tainted brothers

I love how TTS has broken literally every single comment section about wh40k with references. It might well be the best thing to have happened to the whole IP of GW in AT LEAST A decade.

There is no doubt a minor chaos god in the image of the emperor, even chaos space marines, so long as they haven’t already been claimed, could find redemption by swearing fealty to it. Thinking about it that would be a good backstory for the Legion of the Damned, it would certainly explain the name.

I know that people don't like me bringing AoS lore into 40k but the nature of souls and Chaos are the same in both universes so its relevant. There is actually a well documented case of a soul that is corrupted by Chaos being redeemed in the story of Tornus the Redeemed. Apologies in advance for such a long comment. Tornus was a proud warrior and follower of Sigmar who's tribe fell victim to a Nurgle invasion where he was unfortunately taken alive, tortured for months, and eventually turned to the worship of Nurgle out sheer desperation. He was renamed Torglug the Despised and would rise up the ranks of his war band till he was one of the most powerful Nurgle's Chaos Lords in the realm and spread havoc for centuries in the name of Chaos. Torglug would experience a sort of crisis of faith when Sigmar's forces eventually reclaimed the realm and Torglug himself was struck down by Sigmar's avatar, the Celestant Prime. However, instead of going to the realm of Chaos like all other champions who failed the Dark Gods, Torglug found himself before Sigmar who saw his doubts and the disgust he felt deep down and deemed him worthy of absolution. Sigmar then purified Torglug's soul back into Tornus using powerful magic and resurrected him as a Stormcast Eternal (demigod) in order to fight for redemption. So in conclusion, I would say that a Chaos Marine could be redeemed in both body, mind, and soul but it would require both the marine to want to be redeemed AND a god-tier amount of power to break their connection to the Dark Gods and repair their corrupted bodies.

In a book called Chaos World, a traitor astartes of I believe the Word Bearers legion who is so corrupted he has eyes all over his armour, cuts all of it off, and blows up the planet in order to redeem himself. He goes with the planet, but it's interesting to think of how many would return to the emperor of man if they didn't need to blow themselves up.

It ultimately depends upon whether you are querying if they can truly be "redeemed" of their taint (as in re-enter the protection which had they'd previously known under the Emperor's light gleaming upon their Body & Soul (Almost, universally answered in the negative) or if they can merely come to an accepting of something nearing remorse or at the very least regret, and decide merely to find a form of "Name Redemption" a cleansing upon their tarnished legacy, or honor (but, lacking the possibility of ever purifying their bodies or soul of it's inabsolvable taint) purchased only through atonement by acting against their patrons with honest contrition. Defying their dread host for the Emperor although, knowing it's in spite of their souls remaining forever forfeit regardless. (This, although very much possible... it's a choice that's extremely unlikely to be made... and even more an unquestionably daunting road to set down upon even for an Adeptus/Legionnaires Astartes.) Compound this further, most Astartes who have followed the eight-fold path far enough to be declared excommunicate traitorous have like fallen far beyond caring about their legacy or perceived honor within Imperial Archives or by remembrancers let alone even considering or more laughably succumbing to something they'd consider as universally hindering as remorse...

A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.

Top vid lad!!!

About to watch the video but my first thought is the clone of Fulgrim.

Well, there was this little chapter way back when called the soul drinkers...They so dipped their ceramite toes into the mutative end of the chaos pool but they never did lose their loyalty to the Big E himself. Even getting their name etched into the black haul of the Phalanx itself

1:35 Cypher being like "IMMA PRANK THESE BITCHES!"

What is this heresy? By the emperor, even thinking about this is outlawed by the ordo hereticus! If you were not an Inquisitor, this would have gotten you into a lot of trouble! Great video btw, really enjoyed it

Be blessed by the emperor's light

That was so cool hearing about the loyalists fighting along side traitors would like t hear more. Would like to hear about the new prophet of the night Lords DECIMUS think he could end up being the most badass chaos Lord yet.

Cool video man nice work! I'm new to warhammer so there's still a LOT I dont or understand yet, but I thought I could ask this anyway is there any chance for a death guard plague marine ever be let back to into the imperium? Thank you

If a corrupted astartes were to sit in a jail cell guarded by Sisters of Silence for a prolonged period of time, what would happen? Would that be enough to squeeze the warp out of him?

Knock Knock. 40K Theories: Sweating profusely "The Inquisition has come for me". Me: "They dont knock".

I'm pretty sure it said in one of the Gathering Storm books that Magnus would repent in order to save the Rubrics - something which Yvrainne DOES almost right after.

First of all, through the Emperor anything is possible. Jot that down.

Of course, redemption is always available to one who truly wishes to change their ways. Although the Imperium may wish to exact the highest price for that. That might be a deal breaker.

Ardaric Vaanes was a Renegade Raven Guard who finally managed to redeem himself by helping Uriel Ventris Thousand Son Sorcerer Vistario arguably redeemed himself by shooting his Raptora Akhtar in the head, thus allowing Ancient Rylanor to detonate a Life Eater Virus bomb in Fulgrim's face.

I know of at least one instance of somebody being wholly corrupted by chaos and then feeling regret for it, but that kind of had the extraordinary circumstances of the Emperor Himself blasting the chaos (and his soul) out of him.

Ardaric Vaanes I think is one of the rare cases of being redeemed that the raven guard was willing to recover his gene seed.

The fact that Parmenides, the philosopher that stated that movement is but an illusion and that unchanging and unmovable order was the Arke of the universe, became a daemon of the lord of unmoving order is a delightful easter egg

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Renegade Astartes / Unaligned CSM: Definitely yes considering there are multiple instances in canon where it's happened. Marked CSM: ...are basically big bags of chaos whose mark of favor will corrupt Imperials by their very proximity and regardless of their intentions... so outside of a Living Saint or some other immensely powerful Imperial entity cleansing / purging / burning that mark off... no.

There is a finite line between the renegade, and the heretic. Not every renegade is a heretic, but most heretics turned renegade prior to their heresies. The Bedab War and Siege of Vraks are both good examples of once (mostly) altruistic resistances with home of changing the systems that the Imperium was forced to work with, only to sour with the dark powers that first suggested these things. And more often than not, when a smaller force realizes the full breath of danger they must face against with the combined Imperium, the Ruinous powers becomes that much more appealing, and thus more likely to lead to damnation with no remorse.

"Can traitor Astartes be redeemed?" "Rylanor deserves better than you O' primarch, Rylanor deserves better than all of us"

I do enjoy your work. You are now a legend in the imperium that true, but even legend are not safe from the dark power of the immaterium it seems. The only fact of bringing a question like this to the mind of the weak could mean only one thing and one thing only. HERESY !!! And how we deal with heresy ? Us the true son of the emperor 40k theories? WITH FIRE !!! You maybe have forgotten so , when you have commit the ultimate sin of heresy trying to trade heresy with power but WE HAVE NOT.

What about the rubrics? Let's imagine that arhiman or magns restore the Ts into flesh. What could prevent some to turn back ? Or an individual like the eldar was trolling arhiman.

Another example of a chaos marine fully devoted to one of the chaos god being able to find some form of redemption, was in the short story "The Ancient Awaits" When a Thousand Sons sorcerer (sorry, can't remember his name now) and his Raptorae found Ancient Rylanor from the Emperor's Children legion on Istvaan 3 10k years after the Istvaan Atrocity. Rylanor sent a beacon to lure Fulgrim so he could slay him by detonating a virus bomb, which had been contained by the sorcerer. Rylanor would be ripped from his sarcophagus by Fulgrim, who tried to convince the dreadnought to join hil. Rylanor's words of loyalty to the Emperor and his hatred toward his primarch had somehow inspired the sorcerer to let the virus bomb detonate, stating that Rylanor deserved better than any of them

Can Traitor Astartes Ever Be Redeemed? Yes, with a good old bolt round to the head. *Thanks everyone, that's all.* _now report to your nearest Inquisitor_

Yes, with the emperors peace. but they wont find peace, they sold their soul long before and will only continue to live their afterlife suffering the same torments they inflicted on others.

Crazy...I was just thinking of this a few days ago...

Kinda surprised that you didn't bring up the Carcharodons or the Blood Ravens. Or at least Sevatar's final recorded act in The Long Night.

The thousand sons are pretty big questionmark they where kinda forced to chaos due to Horus conviencing Russ to destroy propsero instead just getting Magnus to terra. "If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it." Azhek Ahriman from the thousand sons

As soon as I find my bolt pistol I can answer your question

There was also the First Founding Marine in the novel Eye of Terror... who was lied to about the events of the Horus Heresy and called on Tzeentch, in the end he helps the heroes escape the Eye of Terror and is taken back to be tortured/redeemed.

I guess it comes down to how souls and the warp works. Magnus had his soul shattered and fragments were never turned over to chaos yet Magnus's main body became a prince. Horus apparently had parts of his soul ripped out to permanently undergo the trials while the main portion was annihilated. The eldar apparently reside and have been removed from slanesh's belly after being eaten does that mean these souls exist forever but are trapped, or maybe the void left by removing the soul is what chaos occupies. Can a portion of a soul reconstitute the whole or can like the drucari their souls be fully restored. Personally I think as long as the soul's will isn't shattered by chaos as they try to basically digest it the soul can be removed, repaired, and resurrected. What we see as a chaos space marine is a being with part of the soul removed and as they progress to princedom more is taken until all that is left is the physical body possessed by demons able to use the mind and memories of the husk.

Ok, I know you get a ton of comments but I dont know if you have covered this topic: Fabius Bile - what is he really trying to do? If he keeps cloning primarchs and is trying to get cloning right what is the end game? While watching your video on the potential for Sanguinius's Resurrection I thought about one disturbing idea. What if Bile is trying to reverse engineer the Emperor? If you have a video on it please let me know. If not, wanna make one? Lol

Would outliving the Imperium be considered redemption?

SM chapters gather around discussing about redemption Ultra "They have forsaken and once is enough, they can only be redeemed by a bolter to the head!" Salamanders "Perhaps they have seen their faulty ways, perhaps they may redeem themselves again" Iron First "Only if they sacrifice the entire Iron Warriors traitor chapter we will allow" Space Wolves "Over our dead bodies" Blood Angels ... *Stealing others Relics* "Wha..What yall say?"

Only if they sit on the naughty step and promise to never, ever, do it again.

I would say based on your actions against the Imperium. But it would also be depending on who's deciding who deserves that chance, so if you had lets say Dorn judging every traitor astartes coming through, he would most likely put them all into the ground and use the remains as a platform for a new fortress. Girlyman on the other hand MIGHT give them a chance if he sees they are actually worthy of it redemption but would also be just as reluctant to crush their skull like Asmodai in a room full of people who know the secrets of the Dark Angels.

Yep, they just need to make an appointment first with Asmodai for... spiritual realignment.

The thought of redemption never crossed my mind til I read about the aos sigmarines redeeming a nurgle boi and bringing him into the fold.

Yes Comissar, this video here.

I get such a kick out of referenced to the Mantis Warriors! #Hurondidnothingwrong

I would believe so personally. Anyone can have a change of heart and redeem themselves if they so wished. However when it comes to those blessed by chaos it seems unlikely their malicious patrons can be rebuffed save by the Emperor's power.

I think it really depends on what you call a win. I think a chaos marine could in theory do a lot of good and save a lot of lives before their death if they had a change of heart. Assuming it was more than a last minute thing on their death bed they could have years to kill enemies of mankind, destroy fellow chaos worshipers and aliens like the Tyranids. It's a matter of balance I suppose. How many worlds must you save to make up for those you destroyed? Can it ever be enough and does it even matter if your eternal soul is still damned in the end? Or does it take actually killing a chaos god some how and freeing your soul to really count?

I was going to make the argument that a person of devout enough faith, such as a living saint, could purge the taint of chaos from a corrupted marine if they were truly repentant. But if a fully corrupted individual's soul belongs to their patron god, it sounds like the ONLY person that could truly free them would be the Emperor Himself. Maybe if the Emperor would be to regain more of His consciousness and power, He could barter with/battle the gods for His faithful's souls, much like Chegorach does with Slaanesh.

The old book "eye of terror" a first founding dark angel work up from stasis in eye space. Briefly he dedicated to khorn being convinced the empire had fallen. He killed his false profit confessed and was executed by a dark angel confessor.

It's weird to think The Night Lords, a traitor legion known to cosplay as Necron Flayers, are *more* forgivable than the Thousand Sons, who are as mild as it gets for Chaos Legion.

I like hearing about stuff like this. It’s much more interesting that the fate/redemption of a renegade/traitor Astartes is more complicated than just death. Edit: wanted to add more to my feelings. The “only in death” answers and memes are fun and all. But the idea of only in death can they find redemption doesn’t allow for varied or interesting storytelling.

since the warp seems to work on belief i'd assume the problem of "eternal damnation" is more to do with a corrupted marine that came to his senses believing he's not worthy of absolution than actually being damned... but then again...the chaos gods are the embodiment of a specific trait so as long as they maintain that belief/trait i'd assume they could not be free.

My own space marine chapter are renegades due their opposition to the inquisition and the way they treated the celestial lions chapter. They also disapprove of the way the imperium is run. While being renegades they still protect humanity. They will go to great lengths to protect civilian life and the people they believe the imperium walks all over. I've written them a sort of proper knights and good guys, sort of like the salamanders and space wolfs

I don’t know for Space Marine but in the Konrad Curze Primarch book (spolier ahead) The Emperor tells him that all the fallen Primarch are not behind redemption. So maybe if a primarch can do it, his sons can also in an extent do it. Be it, it would require a space marine with extraordinary will.

If it's a renegade chapter and ones not touched by Chaos then yes it's possible for them to return to the Imperium but such forgiveness and penance understandably must be earned. For those of Choas turning away from the darkness it must take an extraordinary will and resolve to see it through but if they are marked it will be almost impossible for unless they can break their souls free of the dark gods then sadly it'd almost be for naught.

2:29 that’s terrifying

I'd say the renegade marines, the ones that dont fall to chaos but stop supporting the imperium could be.

While I understand the people saying No, I think it depends on chapter and Primarch Magnus and Mortarion were more manipulations than willing servants so I can see possibilities, even if they offered themselves as a sacrifice to redeem their gene-sons from the rot or Rubric. Angron and the World Eaters seem more crazy from Butcher Nail's than hatred/chaos so it would be interesting to see what happened if they removed them. Fulgrim/Kurze/Perturabo/Lorgar on the other hand seem willing participants so can't really see the or their Legions trying. Emperors know what the Alpha Legion are doing. I can see some being redeemed, Especially if they counter balanced it by a Lost Loyalist falling to Chaos in the intervening millennia and split their chapter upon re-emergance.