Love it 🤣👍

Lol really?

Cmon man no not really lol

I find that l most effectively warm my swollen knuckles on a cold winter morning at the range by using a .50 S&W revolver with a custom special extra big cylinder gap to rest my aching joints against.

AHHH YEP. BUTTT A DOUBLE SHOT OF BOURBON DOESN'T HURT NEITHER. 😊

Enjoy old age. Many people are denide the privledge.

Tim McNamara as young lad at age 24 I try not to take my youth for granted.

Old age beats the dirt nap

Capt. Beak most of the time.

But pound it softly; old bones are easily inured.

Edwin Algarin I got a 1911 and a 357 revolver.

Keep that in mind when a 270 lb. athletic build guy is charging you from 10 yards away while on PCP. That vital spot becomes only half the answer.

@@elli003 and the other half is what? Good shots on target 'bout sums up the whole equation, no?

The FBI after the Florida disaster did a lot of research, the outcome of which was a bigger round at higher velocity, the 10mm. The actual FBI shooters could shoot the heavy round 10s and manage the increased recoil and the larger framed grips. What they did not take into account when they adoped the 10mm was that the majority of the FBI agents are not shooters, but at the time were recruited lawyers and accountants, etc. They were folk that did not really practice with a firearm any more than was required to maintain the job. Therefore their proficiency and the ability to qualify degraded drastically. The FBI dropped from the 10mm to the S&W 40, a 10 mm short. Still more recoil and bigger and heavier than the 9mm. Eventually it has gone back to the 9mm, not really because of improvements in bullets, but because it is easier to shoot and maintain basic profiency. Smaller handed people, older people who are beginning to realize age and arthritis and folk who will not spend the needed amount of time to become proficient with the more dificult to handle calibers can manage the 9mm. Before you start screaming at me, I too am an old shooter. I started with the .357 and .44 magnums. I moved to the .45acp and then later the 10mm. I was selected by the head of my agency to assist the department armorer to transition our force, about 100 folk, from whatever they were carrying at the time to an issued weapon of the Glock 20 10mm. During the transition we were able to qualify EVERY officer with a pass/fail of 90% both day and night firing. Six months later it was easy to see who practiced and who did not. No practice mean no qualification. No qualification meant desk assignement and range time till requalified, which led to a lot of officers lost temorairly from their assignments. The department later transitioned from the 10mm to the 45acp, citing cheaper ammo and lower recoil. They have again transitioned, this time to 9mm. I had carried a 9mm at times for concealment purposes, a Browning Hi Power, which happened to be almost as big as my 1911s. The 9mm is definitely more fun to shoot. Prior to covid, much chaper. For fun I will currently shoot one of my 9mm, but the majority of the time I carry a 1911 in either .45acp or 10mm. I also agree with what Mr. Hackathorn stated, that it is where the round is placed, not what the round is, BUT I also believe in physics that the larger bullet, delivering more energy still gives an edge over the 9mm.

@@rexelliott3860 with this being said I have a 9 I bought for home defense but it holds 17 rounds which I prefer so I guess next step is ar pistol or short rifle 🤷🏽

@@elli003 got a lot of those running around where you're at? Gotta say I haven't run into a PCP fueled football player anywhere near me. Guess I'm just that lucky 99.9999%

They know what sells

A round adopted in 1908 is not evolving

@Jack Benton Don't put all your eggs in one basket. lol

Jack Benton It cam effect the average guy if other manufacturers look to a Wilson for inspiration. Sure Wilson will sell for more than the average guy will spend but a $700 9mm Wilson clone is sure to follow.

DWX

True that's why I'm looking for a Para double stack 45acp 1911.

@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Remington R1 Enhanced double stack is what I'm looking for, it's basically para but polished, damn shame about Remington tho. I might have found a replacement though, the Sar K2 45 and Sar K2 45C, check it out it looks amazing.

The "replacement for displacement" is Speed / Velocity. Learn about physics.

@@Havanorange You sir need to "learn about physics". Average out the diameter of the wound channel then calculate the cross sectional area and multiply that by the length of the wound channel. The result is the volume of matter that the round has displaced. Run the exercise for yourself and you will see that the 45 ACP is superior to the 9mm.

@@joelwarthen1135 Thanks for the laugh, I needed it. Your silly little calculations don't mean squat.

Have you tried 147 grain 9mm

@@paullytle1904 This is very true.

I agree. As you can see in my profile pic, I am holding 2 guns. 1 on each hand. One is a 9mm and the other is a .45. And I totally agree with what you've said.

I agree - it is the peak impulse of recoil that causes the most nerve damage and perception of recoil. A larger caliber with a more gradual recoil impulse can be significantly more comfortable to shoot, particularly when recoil spring tension is high enough to damp slide movement to a virtual stop prior to the point of frame contact. Compare, for example, a 7.62x25 Tokarev in a 34 ounce CZ 52, against a .40 S&W in a 22 ounce Taurus G2C. The .30 caliber, high bore axis Tokarev is marginally controllable; the .40 caliber Taurus - eminently so, and comfortable to shoot, despite the fact that they essentially match each other in muzzle energy.

@@paullytle1904 Not yet but I have some that heavy to reload next time I get a chance to reload.

These 2 have forgotten more than that “Fudd” Hickok45 will ever know. Give me a break. I can’t even believe you’re mentioning him in the same sentence as these pioneers and ambassadors. They’ve “been there and done that”. What’s Hickok done? Shoots guns on KZfaq. Oh boy!

@@jeffreylc Hickok45 was a reserve sheriff's deputy for 10 years in Tennessee as well as a former professional shooter. Just so you know, guy.🙄

Faster bullets are more devastating than slower heavier projectiles.

@@FirearmEnthusiast Faster bullets don't mean better, its doesn't mean a thing if the bullet can't dump its engery into a target. The 7.62 bullet is slower then a 5.56 bullet but substantially more energy and at distance can still drop a target where as the 5.56 doesn't do as well. Also even worse if it doesn't tumble as desiged to it doesn't do anything to a target. Hence why the military left the M855 because of how terrible it performed. It was extremely fast moving but just zipped through

@@FirearmEnthusiast Not true. Penatration........ ball ammo and the faster is best. Slow shocks the body and more energy is released.

I shoot my .45 way better then the 9mm. Although I do shhot the 9mm very well.

I agree the 10mm is better but the price is outrageous and hard to find

So you have to use 2x9mm to get the same effect good luch on a target that's moving or shooting back.

@@yfelwulf 1 45 will do the damage of 4-5 9Sillymeter rounds.

john harris There has been much actual research (not what someone thinks is true) that shows that is not true with today’s ammo.

john harris clueless

@@bratz2 yeh the ammo today made a big diffrent compared to 50 plus years ago I like 45 tho just me I have fun with them block 36 btw lol

9mm vs weak 380 and 10mm vs weak 45! Just my opinion Brother!

@Sigkim 40 S&W is the redheaded stepchild that has to watch their own birthday party in the rain from outside on the porch.

they should have added in 10mm and 38 Super....and .357 Sig!

I shoot 9mm very well I shoot 45 good too but the drop is so bad out past 20 meters

It doesnt drop much at 25 but at 50 its 5 inches low

im sure its due to the gun itself, i bet they werent the same gun eh?>

Much love & respect from Karachi Pakistan 🇵🇰 Hold the line dear American bretheren !

Same thing happened to me. I shot tons of 9mm pistols. Then one day I shot my first 1911 in 45 ace, and for whatever reason, I can hit the target much easier with that 45. I think it’s just the slower push of the 45 compared to the snap of the 9mm

Frangibles brother, frangibles

@Russian Bot aside from h&k, it may be foreign, but it's German engineering done right

Ignorance is bliss 🤣

9mm is a nazi bullet. .45 is king

@@zachdawson1822 9mm predates the nazis by a few decades.

@@KinoTechUSA69 9mm was made by a German and was standard for nazi during both ww1 and ww2

@@reitairue2073 Ignorance? A bullet is bullet. Death is death.

@AL From Russia handgun calibers really don't matter, just stick with what you have buy ammo and practice. There's plenty of info on KZfaq on 9mm ballistics, just search it and you'll see that you're fine with what you have.

@AL SUSPIRIA 2018 my dude, a 9mm can stop a bear. Lmao

Glad it was helpful!

Those people shouldn't be carrying +p anyway. No +p round will ever give a pistol, rifle wounding capability. The small gain in velocity won't provide enough of a difference in damage to matter while simultaneously recoil management is hampered.

Carrying +p+ is not the same as shooting +p+. Most people would not use it in their lifetime. All they would have to do with it would be to shoot some to verify proper functioning and accuracy in their EDC. Otherwise, practice with standard 9mm. Self defense ammo is too expensive to shoot in volume anyway.

....like the T shirt says... .45 because shooting twice is silly....

@@musicman1eanda 100% agree. There's absolutely no sense in hotrodding carry ammo. The gain is essentially nonexistent but the losses are very real.

@@marcusfreeman2512 even more an issue. You shouldn't ever carry what you haven't ever trained with. That's why I like a .40 and. 45 because training with a .40 or. 45 is the same as caring the. 40 and. 45. If I ended up needing to use it, it will be what I'm already used to from my training drills. Makes no sense to train with a weaker 9mm range round then have to rely on your ability to follow up multiple rounds of +p or +p+ 9mm when you have never trained with that recoil difference. There is a lot of muzzle flip with a 9mm +p+. More than a 45 or 40. In my opinion.

@Po Izzy well I'll pay for shipping so I think I should take them

Til you get old with arthritis

Jim Hartzell he won’t give up one bulletin 🤣

Same here

Opa

its not the missing fool its the shock of the impact on a near miss .. more with a 230 grain then 115 grain .. simple h.s. math

So original. Let me write that down.

The service gun of the Indiana State Police, I believe.

I spent more time shooting the old early aluminum frame commander 45s and officer 45s. I just shoot better with a 45 from my experience. There is neither science, nor magic. It is experience. What are you shooting and how often?

It's like a dodge challenger with a V6 instead of a V8. Purists will hate it but it might be morr practical for some.

I use the 185 grain gold dot

When you reach 80, we’ll see if that .45 is still your choice.

But not all shots are perfect. Except in movies and these kind of debates.

@AL From Russia there's nothing wrong with the 9mm. If I need to carry a gun "deeply hidden" I have carried a 9mm. It's just that the very best carry ammo for a semi-auto handgun is the .45acp. Look at the data on the Winchester Ranger Ammo, the stuff that used to he called Black Talon.

@AL From Russia, 9mm ballisticly is all you need, load your guns with 147gr hollow-point ammo and it's every bit as effective as any other ammo for stopping power. The key is training, and shot placement, keep them all center mass. Practice makes perfect. I prefer 45acp, but that's just because It's what I've used for 40 years now. I think ballisticly 9mm today is equal to 45acp. I shoot a lot of both.

@AL From Russia, it's not about being "out gunned" it's, like HFVidShotz said and many others, about shot placement. If you can consistently hit a quarter at 25 yards with a .22 that's a lot better than being able to barely hit a 15in plate at 5 yards with a .45. Practice "failure drills" and practice often. Two shots to the pelvic girdle or center mass and one to the "T" box. Then penetration of heavy clothing isn't going to be much of a concern. (ETA: as stated in the video there have been advancements in powder and slug technology. So, if you are concerned about penetrating thick clothing perhaps look into 9mm +P or 9mm +P+. These loads are hotter which means they are typically traveling faster giving them more penetrating capabilities. This of course means the recoil is going to more than regular 9mm ammunition and most likely will have a noticeably bigger flash. Another thing to consider is over penetration, so having a "winter" carry ammo for when people are more likely to be wearing layers of thick clothing and having a "summer" carry ammo for when people are wearing less and thinner clothing would be a good idea.)

100% agree

@Scott Murphy or talk to a trauma surgeon and see how silly it is to choose fewer rounds, harder to shoot well, and more expensive ammo. Haha

.45 is a more accurate round...the guns heavier and has less jump typically

indytbird actually Donut operator did a video where the cop shot a guy 16 times with a 45 and he went down when shot in the head and was still showing vital signs. the cop now carries 9mm for more capacity

@Frank Bonazza III I shoot 500 magnum more accurately than 22. Just can't get the follow ups as quickly 😂

@indytbird Not sure if I caught your meaning. But figured I'd share this if you'd never heard it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/psqalrybuNmtn58.html Spooky story. Sometimes the bullets just never hit a vital enough area, and the guy is some kind of superhuman bullet-sponge.

My shoulders began aching on my 58th birthday probably due to playing football in my youth. I accidentally viewed The Game Changers while watching TV one rare afternoon and was convinced to try eliminating animal products from my diet. About 3- weeks later my shoulder pain was gone. I’ve slipped a few flesh-laden meals in and, yep, the pain returned. -Check it out.

prolly? act your generation, LOL we didn't say PROLLY

@@TerraFirmaX No but its easier to type it at 3AM ;

You need one. I have a 10mm and love it!!!

Al suspiria youre definitely fine sticking with your 9mm

I have 10mm glock 20 but my edc is my 9mm great balance of a gun u can’t go wrong what u carry as long u know how to use it beside a hi point

I have 10mm glock 20 but my edc is my 9mm great balance of a gun u can’t go wrong what u carry as long u know how to use it beside a hi point

Same here, I started off with .40 S&W in Berettas, then picked up some 9mm weapons, now I’ve picked up a 1911 45ACP. Love them all honestly & EDC them also.

Sgt Gramins shot a man 13 times with a 45 if I recall correctly, 9 of which independently would have been fatal. The man continued to fight until the Sgt hit him in the head. That case alone made me rethink everything I knew about handgun terminal ballistics.

@@jacobackley502 ain't that the truth. That was a helluva scary story. Had I shot the guy that many times n he still had juice I'd have wished for a bazooka or a laws rocket

ProudNavyDad SWO me too!

me too

if I was 6'4" I would be a ".45ACP guy" too. Since I'm only an average guy I carry the best cartridge for normal sized people which is clearly 9mm.

Me too , he needs to do a rafel for that 45 ammo that's just sitting he won't shoot

Most old guys are.