[4K] Train Stalling with Wheel Slips and Sand

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iceclimber

iceclimber

Күн бұрын

Second wheel slip video: • [4K] Union Pacific SD7...
I set up next to this train to record it throttling up. I was very surprised when it stalled out, and the wheels started slipping. I think the reason it was so hard for this train to get moving was the second and third locomotives, it seemed like they were barely doing anything.
0:00- Throttling up
1:25- Close up of the wheels
2:05- Slowly moving forward
3:09- Second close up of the wheels
3:34- Finally moving again

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@Henry5623
@Henry5623 3 жыл бұрын
Doubtful this will ever reach the attention of any engineers who don’t already know this. But a trick I’ve used especially on transfer runs where I’ve had huge cuts to move and limited HP to move them with is simply to reverse back into the consist to intentionally run the slack in. Then roll forward around 5 MPH but maintaining notch 2 or 3 depending on the circumstances. What this allows you to do is get a percentage of the consist moving before the slack runs out which consequently allows you to use that momentum plus your units HP to help ‘jump start’ the rest of your train into motion. As long as you utilize common sense with the throttle and speed you won’t exert a shock load high enough to cause issues unless you already had a weak knuckle in consist and it’s a hell of a lot better to find it on a class track than out on the main anyway. -Over two decades working for UP.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that! Thanks for the info!
@old56timer
@old56timer 2 жыл бұрын
Have done that quite a few times. We called it taking slack. Depends on the situation your in sometimes we would cut power off and sand the hill.
@sth475
@sth475 2 жыл бұрын
Would have to be very careful. The yards I mainly shunt in are on a 1% grade so can’t take slack.
@hifijohn
@hifijohn 2 жыл бұрын
I just assumed they all did that.
@Colonel_Blimp
@Colonel_Blimp 2 жыл бұрын
@@sth475 take a minimum reduction and shove back into the train to take slack.
@BBCKT
@BBCKT 2 жыл бұрын
I found myself actually rooting for the locomotives. "You can do it!"
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.- 2 жыл бұрын
"I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. Choo choo!"
@christophermichaelfuller5448
@christophermichaelfuller5448 2 жыл бұрын
@@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.- You took my answer! lol
@WangleLine
@WangleLine 2 жыл бұрын
same here lol
@TheConjurersTower
@TheConjurersTower 2 жыл бұрын
@@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.- Maaaannn, that's takes me way back...
@arcyone9394
@arcyone9394 2 жыл бұрын
Me to was intense ooo jus a little more come on you got thes
@keenanmcbreen7073
@keenanmcbreen7073 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to a locomotive wind up is just about the coolest shit in existence, even small locos, literally power incarnate.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@ostlandr
@ostlandr 2 жыл бұрын
Average person listening to a diesel at notch 8: WOW! Railfan listening to a SD45 at notch 8: (( needs cigarette and shower afterwards ))
@LittleJinsoyun
@LittleJinsoyun 2 жыл бұрын
i must agree with this
@garty2
@garty2 2 жыл бұрын
That, and jet powered aircraft
@lsowner10
@lsowner10 2 жыл бұрын
You should hear gar turbine spool up on a frigate!
@josephgrof4873
@josephgrof4873 2 жыл бұрын
What some people aren’t realizing is that 1804 is the only unit online. That unit pulled that whole train out of a stall on its own. Those locomotives get a lot of hate, but they’re tough. Out on NS’s Buchanan Branch, coal trains usually hit the top of the hill at 8-11mph. Every time I’ve seen an ACC on the hill, they crest at 14-18.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! They're one of my favorite locomotives.
@guyintheshado
@guyintheshado 2 жыл бұрын
9975 and 9811 weren’t powered on?
@msnpassjan2004
@msnpassjan2004 2 жыл бұрын
Just wondering, how do know the other two units were not on and why were they not on ?
@quarans08
@quarans08 2 жыл бұрын
@@markgloverville probably the engine sound
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
@@msnpassjan2004 They make a really distinctive sound when they're working hard. People were saying they're offline because moving from a stop like this would fry their traction motors. Could also be NS trying to save power.
@BluesyBor
@BluesyBor 2 жыл бұрын
I really like how the loco is bouncing up and down under such high stress. Around 180 tons of live machine moving like this gives an idea about the extreme forces involved.
@rearspeaker6364
@rearspeaker6364 2 жыл бұрын
that unit was doing the congo line!!!! they have been ballasted to 216 tons when converted to AC.
@oooltra
@oooltra Жыл бұрын
I don't care for it
@TurboVisBits
@TurboVisBits Жыл бұрын
whats really amazing is the amount of traction steel on steel has and can move around that much.
@velesoid
@velesoid Жыл бұрын
@@oooltra nobody asked lol
@old56timer
@old56timer 2 жыл бұрын
This is when you find out how good the knuckles are in the head 15 or 20 cars are. If there are any weak ones, you'll find it. LOL.
@tracypanavia4634
@tracypanavia4634 2 жыл бұрын
Explain please, I'm really interested🙂
@old56timer
@old56timer 2 жыл бұрын
@@tracypanavia4634 On trains that have stopped on a decent grade say 0.80 percent and you are pretty much at max tonnage without helpers or distributed power (head end power only) It might to take all the power you have to get the train moving. I'm talking about say a coal train with three motors on the head end and 125 cars, that's almost 18.000 tons. The drawbar and knuckle stress are at its greatest. The further you get from the motors, the less trailing tons there is behind each car. I hope this makes some kind of sense to you. I'm not the best at trying to explain my thoughts. LOL.
@tracypanavia4634
@tracypanavia4634 2 жыл бұрын
@@old56timer ah yes! That makes a lot of sense, thank you. Never thought about the different loads before.
@falcondragonslayer
@falcondragonslayer 2 жыл бұрын
@@VD-zn1ed that’s why they are designed to move 6 inches before exerting force on the car. Without this mechanic, the solid iron couplings would shatter from the thousands of tons of weight
@falcondragonslayer
@falcondragonslayer 2 жыл бұрын
@@sp33drr yes they will. The couplings aren’t designed to have up to 12,000 tons or more. They would break easily
@tutekohe1361
@tutekohe1361 2 жыл бұрын
I once took the Train from Macchu Picchu in Peru. It is steep uphill nearly all the way and the track and train were very poorly maintained. It took maybe 40 minutes to release the brakes from standstill, so the Engineer rode the throttle at the stops to stop the train running back downhill. It was quite a feat for the passengers to embark and disembark with the train surging back and forth at the platforms! The train consistently used to run up to 6 hours late - every day.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Holy cow that sounds intense
@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221
@jaysonthetrainmasterprofil221 10 ай бұрын
Probably two locomotives at the back stalled out
@egeg-nr4qs
@egeg-nr4qs 2 жыл бұрын
What I find more interesting than the sand and the wheel spin is the suspension loading as the traction motors attempt to heave the train forward, and then fail. Watch as the connecting rods next to each axle force the truck frame to pitch up and down. Amazing shots! The HTC-R trucks shown here don't have the axles pushing directly on the cast shape of the trucks frame like older locomotives. Instead they each have a connecting rod below the frame that transfers those forces. The center axle's connecting rod is connected directly to the truck frame making it rigid. But the front & rear axles connecting rods are instead are attached to a pinned cross bar that allows the axle to steer with the radius of a curve. The front & rear crossbars are connected together inside the truck to ensure the 3 axle truck only steers in a radial pattern (If front axle steers left, the rear axle steers right). Also notice the HTC-R's secondary suspension which consists of the rubber bellows looking springs that connect the truck to the frame. All the weight rests on these rubber pads, and they twist/deflect considerably as the locomotive negotiates tight curves.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, cool! I hadn't noticed that!
@matthewwilson5019
@matthewwilson5019 2 жыл бұрын
@@iceclimberGD yea it was interesting to see the whole front move down each rock of the train
@williesweetjr8713
@williesweetjr8713 2 жыл бұрын
That was amazing to watch!
@brandon-fl
@brandon-fl 2 жыл бұрын
"horn warning" is brilliant! Thanks.
@mro4440
@mro4440 2 жыл бұрын
My wife appreciates the warning.....
@christopherdibble5872
@christopherdibble5872 Жыл бұрын
Still get a tear in my eye when I hear an old train in the night!
@luann7517
@luann7517 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I am somewhat new to railfanning, and this is the first time I saw or even knew about engines having the ability to blow sand like that. Thanks for the education!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad I could show you something new!
@kishascape
@kishascape 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen steamers do it but never saw it from a diesel electric before.
@oaktadopbok665
@oaktadopbok665 2 жыл бұрын
That's what one or more of the domes on old steam engines are for - storing sand for traction.
@cdavid8139
@cdavid8139 2 жыл бұрын
On snowy or icy days when we were the first job on duty to switch a yard we used to run engine light on the leads and drop sand without moving tonnage. Sort of 'pre-sanding'. I've also been in situations where the sanders are out on a locomotive and we would literally take bags of sand and spread it manually (short line railroading with older power)
@raylrodr
@raylrodr Жыл бұрын
There's much to learn, Grasshopper.
@kenh9508
@kenh9508 2 жыл бұрын
The traction control on a modern AC locomotive is truly amazing.
@cliffleigh7450
@cliffleigh7450 2 жыл бұрын
A good demonstration of the AC traction at work. Very finely controlled wheelslip and trying to rock the train forward. The lead loco would be doing most of the work getting the train rolling while the other two tried to avoid cooking their DC traction motors.
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 2 жыл бұрын
As an electrical engineer who does variable speed AC motor speed control, you have no idea the amount of math going on behind the scenes, in real time, by the traction inverters to make that motor spin with that level of torque and to tolerate the reverse rotation with forward rotation applied... I damn near crushed my mouse watching those wheels work!
@kishascape
@kishascape 2 жыл бұрын
@@kleetus92 no he does. Stop trying to show off.
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 2 жыл бұрын
@@kishascape Lol... ok calm down keyboard warrior.
@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975
@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody cares if you are an engineer. Go fix the space shuttle O-Rings that you clowns messed up.
@philipnasadowski1060
@philipnasadowski1060 Жыл бұрын
Modern AC inverters are insane. Even at low power levels. Servo drives are even crazier…
@modelllichtsysteme
@modelllichtsysteme 2 жыл бұрын
The sound is amazing!
@kensherwood4866
@kensherwood4866 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully captured, the measure of the pulling power in some way illustrated by how the loco lifts up on its bogies a measure too of the amount of traction on the rails and the wheel slip controls that it doesn't just spin the wheels all the time, impressive
@MrEazyE357
@MrEazyE357 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know much about trains. However, there's a set of tracks near my house that I have to cross over pretty frequently and I can tell you one thing: They keep getting longer and longer as the years go by.
@AethernaLuxen
@AethernaLuxen 2 жыл бұрын
For my case, they get less frequent
@mattt198654321
@mattt198654321 2 жыл бұрын
If only the same could be said for me...
@rmx4087
@rmx4087 2 жыл бұрын
And the rail cars themselves are longer as well.
@ekulio
@ekulio 2 жыл бұрын
@@AethernaLuxen rail companies are moving to less frequent longer trains and single-tracking a lot of lines. The rail companies have no incentives to improve infrastructure. IMO the government needs to buy out the right-of-ways and give rail the same love they give the interstate highways, but that sort of thing has no political momentum behind it because the average voter doesn't ever see the impact of our bad rail infrastructure the same way they would see if the highway was falling apart. Continuing the metaphor, imagine if the trucking companies had monopolies on all the highways...yikes.
@AethernaLuxen
@AethernaLuxen 2 жыл бұрын
@@ekulio No I mean, last year a train can be heard near my house twice a day. But now it almost never appears anymore
@ZeroFoxtrotx
@ZeroFoxtrotx 2 жыл бұрын
Insane what these trains can do! I unload railcars with vehicles in them so I'm around them all the time. Super impressive what they can do.
@TowMater603
@TowMater603 2 жыл бұрын
It still amazes me that these things can even move with steel to steel contact and i cannot believe these things don't rollover while moving at speed. I am a truck driver and it takes almost nothing to roll a truck. crazy how things work. Like how a plane can fly but a human cannot. just amazing.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it really is a marvel of engineering.
@Fekuchand_
@Fekuchand_ 2 жыл бұрын
coefficient of friction of track's material and, railway engine's locomotive wheels is different. Same is the case with truck's tyre and the road. Truck driver use chain on there truck's wheels to increase friction in other words to increase coefficient of friction. On Icy road, muddy road, or road on which oil is spilt etc friction between vehicle's wheels and road is minimum, we need a balance between friction between road and wheel to maintain traction. Here loco pilot sprays sand to gain traction.
@moncool17Gaming
@moncool17Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
Tanker truck driver here, I'm really curious about the surge from fluid containers
@boathead22000
@boathead22000 2 жыл бұрын
@@moncool17Gaming Baffles
@stormchaser2007
@stormchaser2007 2 жыл бұрын
Thats why these engines are so damn heavy so it can counter the slippery steel with weight
@rickbullock4331
@rickbullock4331 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of weight these engines can move is pretty amazing. A slight up grade full stop to start looks like an art in itself.👍👍
@TDURybka
@TDURybka 2 жыл бұрын
Love how the Engineer shuts the window cause it about to get noisy!
@deborahchesser7375
@deborahchesser7375 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I look at the bogies on a train it reminds me of my Dad, 37 years at Timken Roller Bearing RR division, way to go Dad 👍🇺🇸
@oaktadopbok665
@oaktadopbok665 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I remember the good old days of bronze bearing and oil pans. I've seen "hotboxes" burn down wooden boxcars in my day. I've seen them red-hot at night from a hundred yards away, streaming smoke along the rails for miles. Used to be you could alert the guys in the caboose by holding your nose and pointing at their train . Bye bye caboose you have been replace by trackside sensors.
@deborahchesser7375
@deborahchesser7375 2 жыл бұрын
@@oaktadopbok665 you been around trains for quite some time my friend here’s nothing like them.
@andywomack3414
@andywomack3414 2 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of EMD power under load.
@harshaokin8064
@harshaokin8064 2 жыл бұрын
What gets me is the kinda torque those traction motors must make to get the WHEELS SLIPPING even under all that weight. Bloody hell, trains are fascinating!!!
@zaphr89
@zaphr89 Жыл бұрын
According to the data I found these new locomotives have a starting tractive effort of 203,000 lbf (903,000 N). The wheel diameter is 42" (107 cm) which yields a maximum torque of 355,000 foot pounds (482,000 Nm). Absolutely ridiculous amounts of torque. For comparison sake this is nearly a thousand times the torque of a Ford F150.
@rangertrails2229
@rangertrails2229 2 жыл бұрын
These locomotive sounds never get old! I loved them as a kid and continue to love them! Awesome video!
@emmanuelsavage1271
@emmanuelsavage1271 2 жыл бұрын
It was a great "I think I can moment!" Hearing the turbocharger winding up and the horn blast when the units started moving, as if to say, "I knew I could!"
@HBCertified
@HBCertified Жыл бұрын
thanks for showing sanding in action...just joined the rail industry so learning alot
@46fd04
@46fd04 Жыл бұрын
Excellent throttle control by the Engineer. Fantastic!
@jesse00pno
@jesse00pno 2 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE THE GOAT for warning us headphone users about the imminent horn so we could turn down the volume!!!! My hearing and I cannot thank you enough for that simple little consideration that has caused me to block other YT filmmakers for NOT having that consideration. So, thank you! Again!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!! It scared the crap out of me when I had my volume up so I did that to save everyone else lol
@randknu1
@randknu1 2 жыл бұрын
With the introduction of ac traction came computer controlled traction systems, and modern ac locomotives are very good at detecting wheelslip. Using wheel creep technology. This looks like an older ac unit, 1st gen like an sd70mac. Slower to detect and correct a wheel slip than an sd70ace for example. And the ge's don't seem to be running at all. No sound or smoke.
@jimmyg5408
@jimmyg5408 2 жыл бұрын
Think you’re right they weren’t making a lot of noise. Think the brake was still releasing at the start once fully released it seemed to lift pretty well if only the lead loco was pumping it would have taken a long time to release
@jimmeh213
@jimmeh213 2 жыл бұрын
It's an older unit but it still checks out
@amtrak706
@amtrak706 2 жыл бұрын
The unit is actually a SD70ACC, which are rebuilt SD70s with modern AC traction electronics added. The wheelslip system is brand new.
@talis4646
@talis4646 2 жыл бұрын
There is something majestic about seeing these beasts struggling to move that is impossible to describe, it's incredible thinking the amount of research humanity put into creating these machines and the fact everyday the logistics sector keeps the world moving at just the right pace for things to be considered "normal", so that industries may get their resources on time and packages be delivered at the right place at the expected/promised time. It's like there is an actual personal effort the engines are putting in place, kind of like when you try to start up your own car after the battery died, pushing and pushing until you get it moving *because you have to do it*, the world, your world, depends on it and you are putting each and every amount of force you can into it: these locomotives are doing that too, it makes them seem kind of alive rather than just some piece of machinery, in my personal opinion it's motivating... doing everyday what I have to do because the world needs me to do it and to not stop because I think it's too hard/heavy to do.
@gbopemioyediran9384
@gbopemioyediran9384 Жыл бұрын
I love that point .... I always view machines as living things . Maybe it why I get attached to my cars emotionally. Lol
@skittleseer1
@skittleseer1 2 жыл бұрын
Now, that’s some good precision railroading! 👍🏻
@randbarrett8706
@randbarrett8706 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this addresses several long-standing questions of mine about trains
@davegeisler7802
@davegeisler7802 2 жыл бұрын
Distributed power is your friend , especially a Locomotive shoving on the rear. Helps to save drawbars and knuckes. 👍
2 жыл бұрын
¡Impresionante! No tenía conocimiento de la arena para las ruedas y lo dificultoso que era comenzar el desplazamiento. ¡Excelente vídeo!
@badlandskid
@badlandskid 2 жыл бұрын
Yo tambien
@johncamp2567
@johncamp2567 2 жыл бұрын
That was darn fascinating! It was interesting to the suspension system of the locomotive “bounce”. ‘Much like watching a driver stuck in snow. Very cool video!!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, glad you liked it!
@toddlarmon3708
@toddlarmon3708 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE to watch a locomotive work. They are the coolest pieces of machinery ever created! Thanks for posting this awesome video.🙂
@marklythall8712
@marklythall8712 Жыл бұрын
What a magnificent sound, especially in the first 60 seconds as the engine raved up!
@SIGINT007
@SIGINT007 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video showing the suspension loading and unloading as the traction management system puts power to the traction motor and then takes it away cyclically to prevent wheel spin. It seems though that this particular EMD system is maybe too restrictive as these guys can’t get any forward progress for a couple of minutes. It would have been nice to see what the GE wheels were doing.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Pretty sure the GEs were isolated, they weren't doing anything.
@thetrainshop
@thetrainshop 2 жыл бұрын
The lurch and jerk technique has been an EMD staple since the Siemens powered MACs. Gonna be real, chief, it ain't great. Give me the equivalent AC GE and it'd had started with less drama. A lot more ear raping screech as the creep does it's thing, but no knuckle-testing lurches.
@mikelowery5741
@mikelowery5741 2 жыл бұрын
Goes to sow you the tremendous weight trains can carry, and the amount of hp/tractive effort they need to have to be able to pull such a heavy train
@partybiscuit
@partybiscuit 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. I'm from the UK and was blown away when I saw how long these huge trains were.
@Arkyodoti
@Arkyodoti 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the "horn incoming" detailing
@Cnw8701
@Cnw8701 2 жыл бұрын
I had a similar situation happen to me in Trainz 2019. I honestly didn't think a train could rock back and forth like that, because that's what mine did in the game!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Cool to see they did that right!
@arthurerdman37
@arthurerdman37 2 жыл бұрын
The Accounting Department must be assigning locomotives again.
@IGuessIDoThings
@IGuessIDoThings 10 ай бұрын
It’s kinda funny seeing the engine move slowly back and forth. Modern locos are so powerful you wouldn’t typically expect it to struggle like this.
@dschannel3781
@dschannel3781 2 жыл бұрын
The thing that amaze me the most is the tiny coupler which pulls several tonnes of weight without breaking.
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 7 ай бұрын
Over 10,000 is not "several".
@the_autism_express
@the_autism_express 2 жыл бұрын
1:43 "Don't forget Stepney's tip about sand. Lay it on the rails as you back down, and roll it firm with your wheels. You get a splendid grip that way."
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 2 жыл бұрын
I was just going to say this, as I was looking for this comment... roll back one engine length sanding, or better still, sand as you come to a stop, as you won't have to drift backwards.
@hazardeur
@hazardeur 2 жыл бұрын
as a noob, why would sand improve grip? wouldn't it be best to have no material between rail and wheel at all? why does sand not make it more slippery
@kleetus92
@kleetus92 2 жыл бұрын
@@hazardeur I'm guessing you live in a dry hot climate? In winter we put sand or fine gravel on ice and snow covered roads to increase traction. Same is true here. The actual contact patch of the wheel and the rail head is very small, by putting sand on it, you're spreading that area out, and also roughing up that nearly polished surface between the wheel tread and the rail head. If you put down too much sand it can be an impediment, but in small doses it really helps out a lot.
@hazardeur
@hazardeur 2 жыл бұрын
@@kleetus92 i'm actually living in the heart of europe so it's not too hot and also not very dry, mostly the opposite actually. I just have no idea or experience with this topic haha. But with your explanation makes a lot of sense to me now, thanks! It's all about that dosage, just has to be the right amount.
@blitzkringe
@blitzkringe 5 ай бұрын
That horn warning is SO thoughtful, thanks!
@rashmisharma7387
@rashmisharma7387 2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq: Wanna see how a heavy train struggles to move? Audiance: Interesting.
@Southwest_923WR
@Southwest_923WR 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed, I was stepping on gas gas pedal of my house slippers trying to help!
@ausieking
@ausieking 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as the second set of wheels catch the sand it starts moving very nice
@chayannecastellano7221
@chayannecastellano7221 2 жыл бұрын
Ive watched this vid like 25 times already and i cant stop watching it
@askforever2022
@askforever2022 2 жыл бұрын
0:25 sounds so nice
@cat_with_sunglass
@cat_with_sunglass Жыл бұрын
EMD 16-710G3 Diesel engine
@askforever2022
@askforever2022 Жыл бұрын
@@cat_with_sunglass thanks mate :))
@ivanjulian2532
@ivanjulian2532 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. A question if I may? Are all three locomotives synchronised regarding their throttle settings?
@Johnny64ism
@Johnny64ism 2 жыл бұрын
Yes they are controlled from the engineer in the lead engine
@1990scottsdale
@1990scottsdale 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing watching the flex and movement on the trucks
@charlesshreeve319
@charlesshreeve319 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely captioned, especially the horn warning!
@pianoboylaker6560
@pianoboylaker6560 2 жыл бұрын
Can't you just feel the sheer power of these beautiful machines?
@parrychapman7703
@parrychapman7703 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it is the audio or what, but I didn't hear those two trailing GE units pulling. The only unit I heard doing anything was the leading EMD. If so, that would make sense of why it had such a hard time getting things rolling.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was sitting next to them for about an hour before they started moving and the GEs never went above idle. Thanks for watching!
@adrianspeeder
@adrianspeeder 2 жыл бұрын
@@iceclimberGD Saves fuel.
@slowpoke96Z28
@slowpoke96Z28 2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianspeeder wtf is the point of them being there if not to spread out power to the rails?
@adrianspeeder
@adrianspeeder 2 жыл бұрын
@@slowpoke96Z28 To be used in locations determined by math where one unit isn't enough.
@DomAZ
@DomAZ 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, you don't see that often. Great video, well done👍
@RyRyWags
@RyRyWags 2 жыл бұрын
That's incredible to see!👍
@NoBody-ht1oh
@NoBody-ht1oh 2 жыл бұрын
200kpa or so of independent can reduce the tendency for the wheels to slip during a hard start like that, this keeps the tractive effort there for longer and allows you to build a higher amperage/KN, especially with older DC GE's as they tend to just fully drop the load with the slightest wheel slip. Also helps if the train brakes are fully pumped off too, as i suspect was the problem here.
@jimmyg5408
@jimmyg5408 2 жыл бұрын
Think you’re right about the brakes it seemed to lift fairly well in the end. Bit dicey stalling up DC traction like that was a long walk back for us if a mid-train loco derated on you happy days 🚂🚂
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading about early diesel-electric locomotives in Britain, none had didn't any wheel slip warning system. So when slipping started, engine drivers had no idea, this caused terrible wheel-burn damage to the track. There were several derailments caused by burnt rails breaking, it took a while before track maintenance crews realised what was going on.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, that must have been terrible to have to fix lol
@batman51
@batman51 2 жыл бұрын
Have a look at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qJ2XnbyJtreyj58.html !
@leonblittle226
@leonblittle226 2 жыл бұрын
@@iceclimberGD As luck would have it in those days all trains used screw link or instanter couplings which had a fair amount of slack each so you could grab a couple of mph before the entire consist was moving on a big train - the downside was you may well put the guard in the van at the back flat on his backside if you got too rough with it which didn't make you very popular!
@sunnysiderails397
@sunnysiderails397 2 жыл бұрын
WOW really cool video, love the up close shots of the wheel and sander working!!!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@FeedScrn
@FeedScrn 2 жыл бұрын
Good video... Those locos are huge. That's a lot of power dude. Thanks.
@randallellison6421
@randallellison6421 2 жыл бұрын
As impressive as it is to watch these things start a heavy train and climb a hill at 5mph, what's scary is that how fast these locomotives actually are! They don't look it, but they can fly down the track! We have a stretch along the south part of BNSF's Thayer Subdivision that runs from about Portia to West Memphis, Arkansas that is not only level, but virtually straight and it's not uncommon for trains to hit 60mph or higher on this stretch. I was at Bay, Arkansas dropping a crew off and as I was turning around to leave, a Z train appeared at track speed and roared by just a couple of feet in front of me, I literally never heard it coming, talk about a wake up call!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
I took a trip to the Thayer sub last year, they sure do go fast up there! Thanks for watching!
@randallellison6421
@randallellison6421 2 жыл бұрын
@@iceclimberGD wow, super cool! If you're back in the area again, look out for a Railcrew Express van, you never know, I might just be in it!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
@@randallellison6421 Will do! I loved that area, will definitely be back at some point.
@McHeisenburger
@McHeisenburger 2 жыл бұрын
Today I learned that trains can blow sand on the tracks to increase traction.
@mikegenset5228
@mikegenset5228 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was absolutely fabulous to see
@Redbikemaster
@Redbikemaster 2 жыл бұрын
The rocking while attempting to get traction reminds me a lot of my semi truck. When it's got traction, the lower gears can really lean the cab to the side from engine torque. But in low traction situations when you're trying to get rolling, you'll often have a similar movement as shown here, just side to side instead. It can be really jarring if you suddenly break traction under load. I once was climbing a hill on a backroad in Pennsylvania and was fully loaded. It was snowing heavily and near the crest of the hill the truck started bucking like a bronco because it was starting to slip on the hill. It was a stressful moment.
@candreel
@candreel 2 жыл бұрын
The cameraman, instead of helping to push the locomotive, is just filming...
@rockstarauthority7354
@rockstarauthority7354 2 жыл бұрын
This is a joke right?!
@l3p3
@l3p3 2 жыл бұрын
ikr smh
@l3p3
@l3p3 2 жыл бұрын
@@rockstarauthority7354 he could have tried at least!
@cat_with_sunglass
@cat_with_sunglass Жыл бұрын
This is joke?
@menguardingtheirownwallets6791
@menguardingtheirownwallets6791 2 жыл бұрын
having sand nozzles at the front of EACH wheel would help.
@reginald2004
@reginald2004 2 жыл бұрын
But the front is sometimes the rear.
@NanoMine
@NanoMine 2 жыл бұрын
I think not all wheels are powered, Nozel is only there on powered wheels.
@reginald2004
@reginald2004 2 жыл бұрын
@@NanoMine Each wheel has it's own traction motor.
@user-wr7qv9gi1r
@user-wr7qv9gi1r Ай бұрын
Wheel slip control factors in a “ Lean into the load approach “ which works well and protects the drawgear . That load was most likely on a slight incline as the locos rolled back a little before traction came on. The Driver in this instance did a great job lifting that load off the mark.
@SD40Fan_Jason
@SD40Fan_Jason 2 жыл бұрын
Another Hot-dogger hogger who goes from idle to run 8 and lets the electronics handle the rest. Whenever the wheel slip indicator comes on even on the oldest engines, they automatically activate the sanders briefly. When the wheels are slipping constantly, the newer systems will force the governor to cut back to half power and then re-engage once all the wheels are synchronous, which at a start like this is a complete stop. It's really hard on the equipment to have to switch from 100% power to 0% and then back to 100%. A seasoned engineer that doesn't intentionally break stuff knows this and would not have used the wheel slip indicator to activate sand, nor would they have stayed in Run 8 while trying to get started. This sort of behavior is the new wave of railroading though. Crews are no longer expected to think outside the box and use the tools that are right there in their hands. Instead they are given the threat of losing their job and forced to put on a good show for the cameras and event recorders only. When I came to work for the railroad, when I hired out there was still pride in the job. Engineers dressed like well mannered gentlemen and their focus was to do a good job, by handling the train in a safe and efficient manner so that they got done as quickly as possible without anyone getting hurt or anything breaking. Today, it's a different aspect of railroading where engineers come to work, constantly looking over their shoulder, knowing fully well they wear a target on their back.
@shreyaszagade1881
@shreyaszagade1881 2 жыл бұрын
Indian Railways pull double stacking by using 2 electric engines and 1 electric engine in between and they are quick and fast.
@SIMONP1965
@SIMONP1965 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea a locomotive could spray sand on the track for traction.. ya learn something new every day...
@justinburns3262
@justinburns3262 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Really appreciated the warning prior to the horn
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@spacecalander
@spacecalander 2 жыл бұрын
None of these units have the starting tractive effort of a AC4400, or a ACGEVO. A dash 9 is barely better than a dash 8 at getting a train moving. Nice close ups.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rrmike19
@rrmike19 2 жыл бұрын
The head one does...
@brian5606
@brian5606 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong
@randallellison6421
@randallellison6421 2 жыл бұрын
The SD70MAC and the SD70ACe can top the AC4400CW and ES44AC, at least that what many of the BNSF crews tell me. They'll say both the MAC and ACe will keep pulling long after the GEs quit!
@trashrabbit69
@trashrabbit69 2 жыл бұрын
Really curious why they didn't utilize the other two engines dead-in-tow. Doesn't even seem like they had them hooked up for multiples, what gives?
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know, but it sure was cool to see lol
@sth475
@sth475 2 жыл бұрын
Could be hauled dead for repairs.
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
@@sth475 The GEs were online, but from the sound of it they were just idling and the SD70ACC was doing all the work.
@ludah99
@ludah99 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that Emd was the only one throttled up and the GEs just along for the ride apparently .
@JohnnysTrainVideos
@JohnnysTrainVideos 2 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@louisguerin8513
@louisguerin8513 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing to see and you still make a video, I'm impressed!!
@bobbycoffey7761
@bobbycoffey7761 2 жыл бұрын
They almost need a sand nozzle in front of each wheel instead of just the front of the trucks
@sth475
@sth475 2 жыл бұрын
When stopping on a grade with a heavy load we are taught to lay sand for the last loco length as the train comes to a stand. Makes starting off easier.
@FrogandFlangeVideo
@FrogandFlangeVideo 2 жыл бұрын
Great video !! Here's a question for you engineers out there: when applying sand in a MU setup does application of sand in the lead unit cause sand in the trailing units also ? James.
@dannyholt105
@dannyholt105 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, good question!
@hotshothogger
@hotshothogger 2 жыл бұрын
No.
@Cinemaaereo
@Cinemaaereo 2 жыл бұрын
"Horn incoming" Very gentle! Thanks.
@forbeshutton5487
@forbeshutton5487 2 жыл бұрын
Engineer turns to the conductor: "Well? Get out and push!"
@Adam1nToronto
@Adam1nToronto 2 жыл бұрын
The wheels with the sand blowing in from in front and actually making it between the wheel and the rail are not slipping - the traction aid appears to be working. The wheels where the sand is blowing in from behind, and thus uselessly ending up on the rail behind the wheel, are the ones that are slipping. My guess is the slipping wheel is what tells the traction control to back off acceleration. The loco rocks back and forth for a while, slowly making some headway until the slipping wheels reach the sand blown in from the leading nozzle, at which point they gain traction, stop slipping and allow the whole thing to get moving. I wonder if placing twice as many sand nozzles, so that each wheel always has it's own leading nozzle (regardless of its orientation), and blowing sand in only from the leading nozzle (the trailing nozzle appears to be useless, until the loco is turned around) gets it going any sooner. I also wonder if applying power to only those wheels with leading nozzles, while disabling those without, would prevent a "slipping" signal from being sent to the computer, thus preventing the premature disconnection of power. The traction control computer should do that automatically.
@Orthaluminox
@Orthaluminox 2 жыл бұрын
So glad this is in 4K
@TheDrAkira
@TheDrAkira Жыл бұрын
Niceeeee!!! Trains are so hypnoticals to watch, I don't know why.
@Lakeside1943
@Lakeside1943 2 жыл бұрын
Mighty impressive show ! Interesting to watch.
@nyotamwuaji6484
@nyotamwuaji6484 Жыл бұрын
Okay that was cool. I've never seen a close up of a auto-sander in action like that.
@elijaheaton755
@elijaheaton755 Жыл бұрын
You did a great job of explaining it, thanks
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@chrisparker1267
@chrisparker1267 2 жыл бұрын
38 years and I never knew this was an issue that existed with trains.
@maciejgawot3352
@maciejgawot3352 Жыл бұрын
Impressive! I was stunned when I saw it pulling on the suspension like if it was just a civic on handbrake :o
@MrNickelbrille
@MrNickelbrille 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing
@jamesbond-cb4dt
@jamesbond-cb4dt 2 жыл бұрын
Bring in two big boys 🤠, they would pull the train like a charm
@colt10mmsecurity68
@colt10mmsecurity68 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of growing up in icy North Dakota in the 80’s, this is how I started my winter mornings going to school, but in my ‘72 Ford Pinto and with bald tires beyond belief!
@alessandrotorboli3782
@alessandrotorboli3782 2 жыл бұрын
My god I love that spin up sound 😍😍😍
@lambfactory2537
@lambfactory2537 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when we started getting ac4400's. We would stop behind a crossing until the dispatcher told us to come to town. From a dead stop with 105 loaded coal cars. 2 engines on the head end. come out to throttle 4 and release the independent brakes, move to throttle 6 and release the automatic(train) brakes. It would slowly begin to move. Then to full throttle. Going over the same crossing without stopping notch 8 we would be down to 12-14 mph.
@derricktherailfan
@derricktherailfan 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! 😊👌👍👍 I like NS SD70ACC!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! They're one of my favorite locomotives too.
@ibtihajahamd4569
@ibtihajahamd4569 2 жыл бұрын
Really an exciting and worthy video...
@jonnygranville281
@jonnygranville281 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I'd no idea how a train works
@scottnewton2966
@scottnewton2966 2 жыл бұрын
Train was not "stalled". It was simply stopped and trying to get the whole train moving. A train stalls when it is under power and speed is reduced to a stall, by way of track elevation or losing an engine.
@IstasPumaNevada
@IstasPumaNevada 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, and double thanks for the horn warning.
@fritzd2116
@fritzd2116 3 жыл бұрын
Very good stuff!
@iceclimberGD
@iceclimberGD 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
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