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I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the kzfaq.infoUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.

My favorite video on KZfaq, new to bolt action and scopes, baught my teenage son a Bergara b14 HMR wilderness 308 for his bday and bought him a vortex diamondback 4-16x44 and after a bunch of research I was beginning to stress thinking I waisted 3 or 4 hundred (whatever it was) cause I should’ve got the 6-24 because hopefully we’ll be getting into shooting a few hundred yards, I feel a lil to a lot of relief after watching this video, perfect timing with a perfect affect, thanx bud.

My preference for a “do all” LR/precision scope is 3-15X. I have multiples of 3-15 and 5-25X (Steiner), but I grab the 3-15X equipped rifles most frequently, for the points you made.

I have a Gen 1 Sig Sauer Tango 4 in 4-16x44 with the grey body, so far of all the scopes I’ve bought it’s been my favorite. It’s clear, tracks precisely even for a Gen 1 and has just as much if not more clarity than a vortex viper. Love the 4 power in the 243 when practicing for silhouette Varmint, for the close range shots and going to 945 yards I can easily see the bullet trace and hits even at 14x or 12x. I’m looking at the Arken for another build, and the Bushnell match pro 6-24x50 for a CZ 457. Bushnell having the ability to adjust parallax down to 10yards is great. Love your videos, and completely understand why you enjoy the 4-16x scope mine sig is awesome in that magnification range.

Thanks for the great review! You are the only one I now of that has reviewed the 4 to 16 hunting and long range shooting!

Great review mate , just ordered 4x16 50 for my FX M3 can’t wait be coming all the way to England ..

They had a $100 off sale for Vets on Veterans day, I wanted the 4X16 but they were out of stock, so I ended up with the 6X24 on my RPR in 6 mm Creedmore. Its just a range toy, not used for any critical work so it doesn't really matter. Haven't mounted it yet, but just examining it in hand in impressed. I do think most shooters today want too much power, I'm quite content with a straight 10X , it's what I'm used too. But I'm an old retired Army Hi-Power competition shooter who has shot many a long range 600 & 1000 yd match with iron sights with no rest allowed except a sling or a cuff depending on whether I was shooting an M14 (sling) in service rifle or my pre-64 Model 70 bull gun (cuff) in match rifle class. If you can do that you can shoot a 1000 yrs with a 4X scope

My favorite magnification is.3-18 power. That's in the ball park. Good glass and a.34mm tube helps me a lot.

Great information on the scopes thanks

Good job on the explanation. Can't argue with your logic. ITs too solid. Thanks.

That's a bonkers price tag. Thanks for the video!

Great video lots of great information I just picked up 2 scopes a 3-18x50 and a 4-14x44 love them. And for new guy’s & girls to the sport a good scope matters. For whatever reason I spent a total of 800 bucks on both scopes. And my groups instantly shrank from the vortex I was using.

so just crank the 6-24 down to 16 and the same field of view???

Thanks for the content. Hope to run into you in town sometime. Congrats on doing youtube full time

Just browsing KZfaq and I thought your voice was familiar… then I saw the channel I was watching. I frequent the west desert wheeler channel as well. two shared hobbies. I like it.

Great video man

Great information!

I have a 4-16 PA SLX MIL dot and waiting on my 6-24 SH4, but the scopes won't really compare lol But my reason is largely the same for magnification. What I am putting the scope on matters, and with the rifle the 6-24 is going on is not something I would generally look at less than 600-800 yards with. Though possible, I plan using it at distance. Though tube diameter also helps in field of view. 30mm is also more narrow and lets less light in, while 35mm gets more detail and clarity out to extreme distances. Check out sniper 101 from Tibosuarus Rex on that info. Or it's something close to that. But that's one consideration of course. It really does depend on use in my own opinion. If I were to go to a competition where I wasn't planning to go past certain distances and needed fast target aquisition, then yeah a 4-16 would be on that list. But something where I would be shooting much further, then I would definitely want something to help me reach out.

Great video, thanks.

I think you're right on the money. I have both also with the same uses.

Great Video!

I normally stay in the 15x - 20x range as the image wont ( boil out ) with too much mirage and the FOV is great .

Pretty Good info piece!!

I have the 6-24x on my rimfire bench rest set up. Stock is also laminate so it’s quite a heavy set up. But I love my Arken scope so much, I’m considering getting the 4-16x for a .223 for a hunting rig. Polymer stock .223 with 4-16x Arken, would this be considered a light enough set up to cruise around with all day slung over the shoulder?

Better to have it and not need it , than to need it and not have it! And you wont/ cant even notice 1 ounce

Thanks for the information sir

Enjoy your videos. Thanks

I just purchased the 6-24x50. My question for you is: When shooting for groups at 100 yards, do you go for max zoom or do you lower the zoom to lets say a mid point around 12 to 16X?. I do have two scopes, one is the PA 4-14x44 and the Arken EP4 Gen 2 6-24x50. With the Primary Arms I use max to 14x and it shoots very good. But I think the 24x on the Arken may be a bit much to do 24x. It feels the target move a lot more / more sensitive to movement. Am I right in saying this?

It seems like the Arken 4-16 is quite a bit better than the 6-24. I was ready to go with 6-24 on my Ruger PRS in 6mm Creedmoor but now I am going with the 4-16. Both scopes are better than my abilities. lol.

While I have to say that in my opinion, this is not really a review of these scopes, but of magnification in general. The major difference is that I say heavier glass usually translates to much better high magnification imagery. Logan, I wish I could show you my high magnification, 40mm tube IOR Valdada scopes. ps- I ordered a new uintah ar10 in 6.5 cm about five weeks ago and you did sell me on those barrels, too.

Hi,Logan. Can you tell me what rings you have on both of those scopes. The ones on top look nice and beefy with the wide rings. I've been looking for something like those but with 20 moa. Thanks and great informative video. -Wade

I have an Arken 4-16 coming in a couple of days but would have preferred a 3-18 if it were offered.

Not the video I was looking for but the video I needed to see. You make very valid points and I'll be going 4-16x50.

Under field conditions the 16X is about the most that can be used because of mirage. Higher the magnification the higher the optical quality needed. Save the higher magnification for paper punching at closer ranges even then on a Brite sunny day , mirage can be like looking in a pot of boiling water.

In my experience, using the same zoom of 16x (for example) on a 6-26x is way better than in a 4-16x, witch'd be on the maximum light that the glass can give you

N J Im on week 22 on my order and when I get a response from Arken its the same crap, thanks for hanging with us and it'll be a few more weeks. I've had that song and dance a couple times now, hope that when I get the scope I'm not dissapointed! Waiting for my tax stamp for a suppressor was less time!

Thank you

Plus the 4-16 has a lot more internal elevation. You want to put on a 60 moa base on my .308 and got my 100 yd zero and can dial 122 moa. Really good scope for price. Glass isn’t great but for $400 can’t complain too much

Love it!

Can you please clarify….if both scopes are set to 16x, the 4-16 will be brighter than the 6-24? Thank you

So I'm watching this as a newbie stepping past 400 yds with 223, I got a Christensen MPR in 6.5 creedmoor to stretch things out. You said at minute mark 6.19 you went with the 24 x for 6mm creedmoor, Would you suggest the that someone after a personnel best from 1000 yards,1400 yards and beyond....?

I have the 6-24 and no I won't trade it for the 4-16. Don't need the extra field of view, 1 oz. won't kill me and I like the look of the longer scope. Oh and I paid $400 for mine when they first came out. I would consider the 4-16 if it was second focal plane with a little thicker reticle for hunting.

I've been conflicted about which of these two zoom ranges to put on a 20" 6.5 Grendel. This video not only cleared it up for me, but also introduced me to a scope company I'll have to check out. I've been a big Vortex fan, but the Arken's feature set blows Vortex away, especially at comparable prices. Now to find out if they're reliable and durable.

Generally i like low power scopes, especially the eye box. However it is completely dependant on target size and color and mirage. Ill take 32 x for a prairie dog with no mirage but mirage or a big orange target 14 x is more than enough.

What height is the burris mount? i have the 6-24 and still need a 34mm mount and i know the gas plug in bottom sticks out a bit so scope will not mount on every mount out there. I'm local in WVC if you want to sell something too

Which one of these would you put on a Ruger Precision Rifle (gen 3) in 6.5 CM? I am so torn between all the possible options.

Which would you recommend on a 7mag for hunting reaching out to 500 yards on elk?

Live in the U.K. and we have strict firearm regs. Got some 12 ft per lb springer rifles and good pistols but may go for my fac liecence where cal, unlimited mag size and silencers don't matter. Shame we can't open or concealed carry over here though. Love you Yanks. Take care and ATB my brothers. Love to all fro the suppressed U.K. 💥

when hunting, a 6x min zoom is way to high for ranges up to 100 meters and at 50 its almost useless as you cant really expect to adjust focus at a fly - close shots are fast shots. 4 is a compromise but works and is regarded as the best magnification for swedish hunting. 6 or higher are limited to few situations and range-work.

Cheers for this. I'm brand new to long range shooting and thought maybe I'd be missing out by not opting for the 6-24x vs a 4-16x. I'm looking at a pretty good deal (I think) on a Vortex Diamondback 4-16x.

I would be interested in how they stack up in the overlapping range: 6-16x. Are they functionally identical in that range, or does the 6-24x make compromises to hit those higher magnifications?

Literally just slapped a PA 4-16 glx mil dot on a 6arc upper. I was highly considering the Arken 4-16 sh4 gen2 but I’m glad I went with the pa. So lightweight.

My fave is right inbetween! Love my XTR2 4-20x50. But I agree, I tend to lean to 4-16 over 6-24x scopes. Eye box, size, and FOV are so much more important to me than magnification. I never go further than 1100 yards, so anything over 15x isnt really needed! Aside from target shooters, I find that an easy way to tell an experienced shooter from a new one, is that new shooters tend to gravitate towards high magnification over other features when they buy a new scope!

For offhand shots when hunting or plinking. 4x power is the highest I would go because for me anything higher than 4x the wobble is magnified more so that it makes the shot harder.

Arken currently has 30% on in stock scopes. June 2

Lower magnification is fine if you have a spotter and/or don't need to consider Target ID.

Occasional backorder? They've been on constant backorder since last fall. Waiting on my Arken SH4 since last Christmas.

Logan……..would you still take the 4-16 over the EP5 5-25 56 ?

Logan, I think you are right but I’ve got the 6-24. have Not had a chance to run it.

I was just out with my cousin yesterday-he has an RPR in 6.5 topped with a 10-40! I told him to try a group at 16x and see if it was better and it was lol. He hates hearing that.

I mean most of the top shooters in PRS run 5-25 or 7-35. Certainly the magnification range depends on the task but for all around 5-25 can certainly do it all. There’s no definitive answer to this question

What should I put in a marlin 1895 bdl?

Can you shoot close range with scope ?

I had a 20" tv when i was young...that was plenty....i have a 65" today....i now shoot with the Zeiss 4,8-35 and i like to bye the March 10-60 x56 for my next scope...i generly newer shoot below 15x when i shoot...but i like zoom...and i thing it is an old NATO word to say that zoom isnt good.. i can shoot a mile whit 10x like the Rambo gyes...but can you really see the target whit 10x

Most of these points are moot, other than the base magnification. Even then, not like 4-6x is that much of a difference anyways. Better to have and not use the 24x than to be limited and not have it.

Nice!

Bro.... stfu!!! West desert wheeler!!! I just found this video and as soon as I heard your voice i was like.. what??? Seen the name amd boom!!! Good to see you bubba! Just finshed my 10.2 comp build, went with it cause your rock pirates build. Anyway on topic. Buying an arken tomorrow, using on my 6.5 to shoot 1k plus. This caught my eye. Subscribed. Good stuff man. Arken scopes are sick!

Is the 6-24x used at 16x the same as the 4-16x used at 16x?

My 4-16 is on order.

My Leupold 4.5-16 M1 is far superior to my Leupold 6.5-20 M1. More compact, clearer optics, less parallax error and more elevation adjustment. The extra 4x magnification isn't worth it.

Are these AR15/10 turned into bolt action

What stocks are you running?

Good day sir may if you can give the exact specifications on the scope 4-16 ,. My humble request thank you so much and GOD Bless

Awesome

I’ve heard the eye box isn’t the most forgiving on the Arkens?

16 week backorder on Arken Optics? I cant wait that long, season will be over by then. Hell, even six months ago, they were 6-8 week backorder. Makes me wonder about their production process.

I like the 5by25 best

Ive got both, waiting on the 4-16 to arrive. Im interested to see the difference

But what about 3-18?

I like higher magnification for just estimating range.

No 6....Higher magnification in Africa, or warmer climatic conditions beyond say 10 or 12X is useless. This is due to heat mirage distortion. A Swarovski spotting scope for example cannot be used effectively in warm conditions beyond 25X ( So even the best quality optics are limited by ambient temperatures at higher magnification) My 10c worth

swfa 10x on my ar10. better than both in your video for less. the military has used it for 30 years. good enough for me

I agree with you, and you what; everybody ain't a sniper. Me included.

If the glass is the same on both scopes and glarity is the main thing for you, i would go with the bigger magnification. This is because you have more to play with on the top end, and you never really use the 4x anyway in precision shooting. You would still have the same glarity as the smaller mag one up to 16x and after that imperfections get magnified. People have to remember that bigger magnification doesn't mean worse glass, it means you can see the imperfections of the same glass better. Not that you really need the 24x, but you have the option for zeroing or something like that. Check the following video from 5:15 onwards. I'm not quite sure if that applies to cheaper scopes but still something to consider and something people don't normally know kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gcpojaderJe1doE.html

I don't know I do a lot better in light gun 1000yd benchrest with the 8-80×56mm March X on my light gun than I do with my unlimited gun with my 15-55×52mm nightforce competition.

Where are they made? Good comparison.

What's your hold over at a mile on a good day ?

A 4-16 and 6-24 are both dated mag ranges. I prefer 5-25 or my current scope, 4-28. Fov compared at 4x to 6x is very marginal especially at longer ranges. Also I would rather give up a small precentage of fov for 10x more high end mag for spotting, identification etc and in general its good to have. But I agree that especially for budget guns lower mag will give better image quality

I am confused. You made this video before even using the 4-16x?

How does the 6-24x and the 4-16x compare at the (6x to 16x) magnification range? Are there any noticeable clarity, resolution or other differences in the two scopes at ("common"/shared) magnification ranges? Thanks for your time.

i don't agree, of course it's my opinion, but i like high magnification scopes, but yeah no need for so much zooming and most of the time i stay arround 12 to 18 , so i will be sure to try more the 4-16

I use the S&B PMII 5-25x56 FFP with the MSR reticle. The only time I go above 10x is when milling targets for unknown distances and when shooting groups at the range for a new load. 10x is enough for any distance for me, primarily for target transition reasons. But it helps with chromatic aberrations that gets worse for me if zooming in high contrast areas and also getting parallax free. Another benefit is that your small shakes does not get exaggerated at 10x = you will not overcompensate for them = more shaking. Yet another benefit is that you have a much higher chance of spotting your trace and then compensating for wind. Especially important if target is where no splash will happen.

great

how do you like the sh4 gen ii vs the ep4?

Logan you got to be crazy for saying on Ocassion they may be on Backorder.They have been on backorder 6 months.Its obvious you are pimping for Arken.I waited 5 months and canceled,My son has been waiting since last week of October . It will be 6 MO the in a week . Now I do like my Arken EP4. 6-24×50 alot. They have bullshitted us good and for long enough,.. I had no problem getting my new Delta Stryker or Tract Toric. Update....My so finally got his 2 scopes May 19th, 2021.. I've bought 2 nice scopes while my son waited on his 2 Arken scopes and he missed out on alot of range time too.

M99 32" Heavy will benefit more with a 6-24.

I bought the 4x16 gen 2 and after zeroing in my crosshairs were at a diagonal.I got a refund from Amazon.I have 20 yr old 100 dollar scopes that have never had a problem.

I was conflicted on which to buy; pulled the trigger on the 6-24. I was concerned you would say something in this video that would make me regret it; false alarm.

better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!!!!