Well. It's been six months, Back in October of last year, you were saying that the show was going to be on the skids. I'm glad the see that things are working out and the show has gone uninterrupted. You are far the most comprehensive loading show out there Johnny. I will continue to support your channel through Pateron. Keep up the good spirit and quality source media for the loading community. Dave.

Your presentation and thoroughness is excellent! Best exhibit of 6.5 reloading data on KZfaq.

Johnny, I like watching your videos. I hope you stay with it. I am an old reloader and shooter. Please take a moment and watch your own video about how you pull the trigger. From the time the seer releases till the time your finger and trigger hit the brakes is a millisecond, but enough to move the barrel. When you pull the trigger you are all the way up to the first nuckle of your trigger finger. I think if you just use the finger tip so you are pulling straight back, you'll get better groups. I have watched you struggle with 3 good bullet placement and then a flyer or two.... thats all you.

i have learned so much from you, never stop buddy, love this channel!

One of my local shops has had it in stock for the past year. My American likes .050 jump. Currently running 42.4g H4350 at 2.860" with 140g ELD's. Getting 2711fps. A past load it also likes is 42.0g H4350 at 2.840" getting 2666fps. Pretty much all my load development had < 1" groups.

Great video!! I just want to say THANK YOU for getting me started with my TC Compass, because of your videos I bought this rifle and I have to say it is my favorite rifle to shoot! It is very accurate if you do your part, and with a silencer and good hand load makes for a great range day! Keep up the good work am already waiting for the next video!!

Great video Johnny. I was very surprised at the velocities you were getting with the H4350. I'm loading Alpha brass with Hornady 140 grain ELD-M, CCI-450 primers and just changed my powder load to 41.3 grains which gives me consistent 2,750 velocity, ~5 SD and ~8 ES and groups in the .368" area. The Hornady bullets love to jump to the lands, so I'm seating them about .040 off, which seems far, but again, they love it. I even went further and anneal after every firing and to me, the one thing that has made a huge difference (even posted a video about it) has been double mandrelling the neck. I bump and expand in separate steps, so when I mandrel the neck, I do two passes, which gives me a neck tension of about .0015 - 0020 inches. Keep these great videos coming Johnny! Subscribed.

I tested these two powders in my Rem 700 as well as V100 Hybrid. I had the best data from the V100 at 39.5, 40.0 and 41.0 using Win LR Primers and Starline LP Brass. With 40.0 being the load I settled on. 4451 was a close second. and H4350 was maxed before it started to group well. Thank for the videos I enjoy all of them!

The TC Compass is a very impressive rifle for a very low price. The 6.5 creed is the go to round. Can't wait to see what it does in the AR10 platform.

I just went out and shot my Mossberg MVP-LR in 6.5 creedmoor this past weekend. Nailed the handloads on the first try. Outstanding rifle and cartridge, 0.265 group with the first hand loads, Hornady 120 gr ELDs. The 6.5 creedmoor in this rifle is turning out to be the easiest rifle to load for that i've owned.

Damn, that TC contender is ridiculously good! Looks like throw any amount of either of those powders behind that bullet and it’s happy. Great video man

I use h4350 and hornadys ELD but for some reason always make 1 flyer of 5 shots. And yes I double check all lapua brass, benchrest primers, new barrel, seath depth ok, etc. But 33.5gr of IMR4064 put 5 in one hole and no flyers. Great videos

uncle johhny: i do anneal after every firing, makes a huge difference because of neck tension. i also use 4451 and 140 grain match bullets from sierra and hornady. my gun shoots 1/2 groups almost every time. i also make sure i super clean the case neck and primer pocket.

With that kind of accuracy I wonder what would it happen if you would take some extra steps on brass preparation... I've been reloading for quite sometime for hunting and competition... so there it goes some advices (I guess you are aware of). I would take a group that has already give a good combo group size/ standar desviation (been Sd the most importat) Case preparation with flash hole deburring and chanfer. Weight brass and discard within tolerance of +- 5 gn CCI Br2 primers ( yeah.... they start to matter at this point) Vihtavuori gives often better SD values (Although I live in Spain and I'm not having access to IMR powders) Slighty compress powder charges usually have more uniform burn-> less SD I would rather take a slower powder if it fills the case more (despite lossing some speed) Always single weight each load, and never remove powder from the pan, If you put to much powder start once again (thats because all digital scales have some grade of play, by only adding powder you king of keep that play on the same side all the time) (The less variables you put into the ecuation the better, I would remove the magneto Speed and the supressor) Other things like neck sizing, neck turning and bullet weight segregation I haven't found to be all that much relevant outside the Bench rest world. Please forget my broken English, I'm working on fix that! Saludos Johnny :)

I really like ur videos showing the groups and speed and SD. Like it

I'm finding spectacular results with my T/C Compass with the IMR4451. I might actually like it better so far than H4350. The Hornady 140 hpbt bullet really is the golden bullet though- it just shoots like a dream in the Compass!

Love hornady custom grade dies, I’ve slowly but surely cut all my rifle dies over to them. Nice to be able to add the micro adjust to any seating die and all the multiple seating stems.

This is the video I have been waiting for!

How about a video with H4350 and several different bullet brands and weights to see if the mythical H4350 really is the magic powder for 6.5.

You know something I’d love to see you do, have a .300 norma mag rifle built. I just built one and it is amazing. Brass is kind of pricey but fun over wise, I have an ancient sage of a gun smith uncle and he used a commercial Mauser action and I bought a overstock krieger barrel and he built me a .25 moa rifle.

I just picked up the hornady dies you got, and used them for my savage 12fv build and have great results with them. I'm using peterson small rifle brass varget and 175gr barnes match burners. Consistently shooting 3/4 to 1/2 in groups.

I agree that you needed this 6.5 TCC "Therapy" after your .308 trauma. I would prefer you had bought the Dracos bbl for the AR-10 in 260 Remington. Best of case volume ability and selection of great projectiles. Oh well....

It is clear that H4350 really is as good as the internet lore says it is. I shot 4451 forever with great results, but a kind of weenie load, but it would shoot bug holes. - I built a new custom gun and found 8lbs of H4350 - I'm @ 42.1-42.4 w/ a 140. H4350 shoots better and better the more you put in the case. I noticed the same thing, faster bullets, smaller groups. With no top end. Just keep going. IMR4451 shot REALLY well (see above) in lower charge weights. I settled on 39.9g (2650fps) but it never really worked any higher than that.

Ive had great luck with the H4350 in 6.5 and .270. And I’ve been pulling my hair out with my Savage .308 too!

Your borescope showed significant erosion on this barrel. Suggestion: Check bullet seating depth again. Seating out closer to contact with the lands could improve group size and velocity.

Thanks for this comparison, will also try it with my next loads.

With H4350, I new your group would improve with the higher 41.9gn. I load the 140gn. A-Max & ELD's with H4350- 42.0-42.5 (only powder for my 6.5CM RPR), CCI BR 2 primers and I get your ladder group and tighter with no pressure problems. Good vid.

Cant wait for the AR10 6.5CM vids!

I’ve been very impressed with the compass and its accuracy for the price

I shot a 0.26” group at 200 yards with 42.5gr of H4350 and 143 ELD-X out of my Tikka Tac A1. No signs of pressure either so I wouldn’t be afraid to go over max. I’m going to try out the 142 SMks soon too

one of my go to loads with the 142gn smk is 40.6gn h4350 at btol:2.200 makes the coal 2.815 or so.. its a good light load to practice with without killing your barrel and still can shoot 1/2 to 1/4 moa with it on a regular basis...

Great job as usual. Thank you

I bought an 8lb jug of IMR4451 and what I've noticed is when you get in the top end of the charge weights my SD/ES numbers fall apart and so does the accuracy. Now I can tune the accuracy with seating depth to an extent but I end up having to live with whatever SD/ES numbers I get. My Howa 1500 and my ol lady's T/C Venture in 6.5 Creedmoor loves the 130gr Swift Sirocco 2 and the 140gr Hornady ELD-M but for reasons I still can't explain her rifles will get around 80fps faster velocities with the same bullet and charge weight even though barrel length, twist rates are the same and the bullets hits the rifling within 4 thousandths of each other and I've tried multiple different bullets with the exact same results...

H4350 Eldx 143 Tikka x3 24 inch barrel 44.0 GRAINS H4350 Winchester magnum primer. Getting 3/4 groups

I love ARs. But glad to see some more bolt action footage.

In my tikka tac i seat the 140eldm at 71mm buuuut the 142 to get accurate i need to seat them 69mm with less powder with vitha 550 i load with the hornady 42.4 getting 858m/s to get the same in thec142 sierras 40,9 with vv550 primee large rifle ginex hornady brass

41.7gr of H4350 with 140gr Hornady BTHP match bullets, Hornady neck sized brass with cci LR primers yielded .724" @100y and .933" @ 200y out of a 24" Savage 10 FCP-SR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Your results seem similar. I don't own a chronograph yet.

For my .308 rpr I’m getting 1/4 to 1/2 inch group if I my job, using 175 smk and varget, I use a FL honed forster die and mandrel for neck tension, it’s working for me real well, I do anneal every reload.

Published data is for LRP that's why your pressures are less. You can load them alot hotter with a small primer.

6.5CM H4350 seems to really produce nice results towards the 42 area. With your results step .2 grain from your top load I bet you would find an excellent node before 44, beyond that, I would expect pressure signs.

Good video Johnny. From my experience IMR 4451 gives me better SD/ES but doesn't give me as good of groups or velocity as H4350. 4451 still gives me groups of 1/2 MOA or better but not giving the the 1/4 MOA groups I see with H4350. Going to do further testing with 4451 and RL-16 in 6.5 CM and 300 Win Mag. And see whats best suited.

very good bench shooting skills !!

You'll see that "cratering" (which is not cratering) with rifles that the firing pin hole in the bolt face is deburred a bit more than necessary.

Hey it might be a good idea to revisit this video. Let's crank up the velocity till we start seeing marks on the brass. For as much as you have in that gun burning out the barrel is nothing. The whole premise of the Creedmoor is Superflat shooting it's going to take high velocity

Finally shot some Hornady 140 BTHP's with 4451, at 41.4 grains 3-shot group 100 yds, which measured .173" at average velocity of 2606, 42.0 grains, a .407" group at an average velocity 2644...looks promising. Shooting a Ruger American Predator in Magpul Hunter Stock.

Great vid brother what happen to using the chamber chillers

I Load H4350 at 41.5 gr and 42.0 grs. and with both loads I'm in the single digits for both SD and ES. These are my go to loads out of my Savage 12 LRP. I've had pretty good luck with 4451 as well but not as good compared to H4350.

Johnny, I consistently see that you don’t go high enough with the pressure and speeds. The creed really likes 2750-2820. I am using 42.2 H4350. 4451 is also a great powder but very dirty.

IMR 4350 is my powder for my .243 and .270 . It does like the upper charges and case capacity. Hornady 87gr vmax hbpt in .243 and Hornady SST 130gr in .270 Good medicine.

Need more 6.5 creedmoor!!

Great show thank you

I load for 5 calibers with Hornady Dies, And I’m surprised with how well they are made and the quality of ammo they turn out. They are definitely not corrosion resistant though.

42 or 42.2grains with H4350 !!!

One key difference from this video to the AR10 series. You’re shooting off a front rest here and the AR10 is off a bipod. Shoot the AR from a rest. Over at Criterion barrels they recommend a rest when shooting an AR for accuracy.

I anneal every time for consistency . oh and those Hornady Match BTHP's shoot bug holes for me in my 308. Love those things.

Great video! What is the name of the program you use to measure and display the group sizes?

The 4451 looks interesting, I wonder if Bullet seating depth would change or improve the groups .. ? Also would love to see some test with Hunting bullets and the 4451..

Good video man. Ooo this bullet woukd look good in my 260! I should be getting a 6.5 creedmoor soon and I'm thinking the 123 matchking for that.

Hey Johnny do yo7 have any load data for 308 win with 168 hpbt with Mir 4451 or h380 powders

I've got the Hornady "Match Grade" 308 bushing dies both FL and NS, they work very well. $42/ea

I make most of my reloading decisions on watching your mistakes. I assume that you're skipping over the reloading where there's no mistakes and everything runs smoothly. Hopefully you're not holding out on us. So far, the best results I've had with my 6.5 TC is with Superformance and 140gr Nosler RDF with a 0.4 moa. The Hornady Match has also been awesome. Waiting for Brownells to restock.

I really like your vids and watching them all as I shoot distance and reload the 6.5. Do you have a dislike for the H powder? I can't find one that beats it and your results were pretty telling

nice shooting

I run this exact bullet. Always been a Sierra fan. Im pushing them at 2736fps with H4350 out of 26” barrel. OAL of 2.870” Its perfect.

Good shooting John take the magnetospeed off and you got a bunch of good groups

Anybody please answer this is a .260 rem bullet .264 for reloading thanks if u can as we answer

Very well done video Sir. Subbed.

Can you compare accuracy between groups when you don't fire "round robin"? First groups barrel cooler, last groups unless you cool between groups will be with a very hot barrel.

I have not used H4350 but even my local Academy has it in stock.

You ought to do a test to see what effect the Magnetospeed has on your accuracy. I use one but wonder how it changes the barrel harmonics. Shoot those last two loads of each again 5 round of each with and without the Magnetospeed on the barrel.

seems like the 6.5 is the way to go if you had to pick one or the .224..

What happened to the chamber chiller?

Do you think if you glass bedded The action & free floated the barrel, groups will tighten up?

Best thing to do with a .308 is lengthen the case by about a half inch and shoot it as God intended. : )

I'm curious to see if the die change will make a difference in your .308.

Update : it’s March of 2022 still can’t find H4350 (that isn’t price gouged)

Have a video explaining difference of extreme spread vs standard deviation and how you calculate it?

Top load in the books and on Hodgdons website is 40 grns.

VLD or another reduced drag bullet and how seating depths affects groups

I get a 2702 fps avg with 41.7 of h4350 from a Ruger American. 2.810 length.

use IMR 4064 for your 308 my magic load 44.5 grains

Great Video brother.

Annealing has the potentially do more damage than good.

I have to say, 4451 has not been fantastic. I’ve tried dozens of loads and could not get the SD’s right. Good SD’s resulted in poor accuracy. Poor SD’s resulted in good accuracy, but Past 740yds the groups fell apart and made it difficult to hit steel past that distance. I have to say with the 147 ELD-M I’m using RL19 with great results. 1.8” groups at 500yds for five shots. It’s replicated that three times. My SD’s are single digit. My avg. velocity is 2877 from a 32” barrel. This rifle is used for steel match and groundhog matches. Maybe try some slower powders. I would like to see you run some Ramshot Hunter with a 143-147 bullet.

How many rounds has thus TC seen? I hear all the hype about shooting them out in 2500 rounds, but I'm thinking that you are well above that.

So, how long does it take to Recharge the 10,000 Ma/hr. battery in average sunlight?

Good stuff. Thanks

Did you go higher with these charges? Groups seemed to tighten up a bit at the top end and you did not have any pressure signs.

What kind of neck tension do you have.

Let's see some ar10 6.5 videos

Good shooting johnny

YOU SAID IT BACKWARDS. IMR POWDERS ARE FASTER THAN HODGDON OF THE SAME NUMBER

I get Single digit SD with imr 4350 and h 4350

I love 4451

I anneal every firing, as well as use an expander mandrel instead of the stupid expander ball. 2 though tension for anything bolt action or single load

Does anybody know how the 6.5 creedmore does on deer. i dont know anything about it.

with Sierria 165 BTHP

Johnny where can I get a hold of some H4350 that can be shipped to me?

Gotta ditch that suppressor if you wanna go for groups!

Nice!