That is certainly difficult! Sometimes when fights aren't going crazy, I could eat something while spamming glare, but a snack emote ingame?! Thats a different level of difficulty entirely!

You can't imagine how much of a stroke of luck it was that I got footage of both needing lb3, and that that specific situation happened to occur 😊 I hope the direct demonstration will help many healers with this weird quirk of the limit break! Thank you for sharing your story as well! 😄

That got a good wheeze out of me.

Thats great to hear that the higher difficulty content was fun and motivating rather than scary! Thank you for sharing this! :D

Yeah, if you constantly get tanks that single-pack pull in dungeons you never ever get pushed into a position where you need to use your full kit.

Exactly! If someone dies, not only do you now have to raise them, but when they get back up, you still are low on healing cooldowns so now you probably HAVE to use cure 2, so now you spent 2 gcds, plus all the gcds the dead player lost and so on! 😅 And you are absolutely right. Some of the things I might say in this guide (or other healer guides of mine) may sometimes be a little extra safe or suggest less aggressive strategies, but that is specifically because the healer mains that are confident enough to go full blast, have learned when it is safe and when it isn't, so they can take a more nuanced approach 😁

Very good advice! Thank you for adding it!

I know this was long ago, but are you saying it’s possible to edit the tab targeting? I play on console and tab targeting is sometimes finicky

@@Quantum_Bluntz yes. You can have tab targeting work on closest or party list order, for example. It's a bit of work but you can make tab target target party members instead of enemies.

​@@Quantum_Bluntz You can also change button layout however you want. So by default, clicking L3 is lock-on, I have *never* used this (on purpose) so I changed my L3 to be Assist Targeting. Meaning if I click L3, I target the target of my target. That's a convoluted way of saying L3 now lets me switch between targeting the boss and the tank with the simple click of one button. Now as I'm typing this, I'm thinking I might switch L3 and R3, so I have R3 as Assist Targeting when I get home. So it's easier for me to move around with the L stick and use Assist Targeting at the same time.

Welcome back to the game! Great that you are enjoying healing! 😄 Each tank is very different and have a lot of tools, so my best suggestions is either looking up each tank to see what they have, or try tanking yourself! Naturally you don't need to play a tank to be an effective healer, especially not while you are still progressing through the main quest. But one day it might be worth a try! 😊

I'm glad you found it helpful! And welcome back to the game! I hope you enjoy the time in Stormblood, some players find it a bit of a difficulty spike, but I am sure you will keep up! :D

as sch in dungeons my number one recommendation is to not be afraid to use aoe heals to keep the tank up on trash pulls

Yeah, it was very interesting to mess around with! And at times it made the job almost feel like it was 2 jobs in one! ^^

You what? That's amazing. I can't tolerate AST. Savage is hard enough as it is, I don't want to deal with yugioh on top of it.

Oh the varying sects was that astrologian used to be able to switch between two modes (sects) before combat started, allowing them to switch between pure healer and barrier healer 😊 it didn't really add much once combat started and simply dictated how you had to play, but the flexibility was cool! This was removed with endwalker since now there were 2 of each healer type 😊

It was always nice to see "Oh, I have a WHM partner, guess I'll go nocturnal". The fact they gutted AST to give SGE relevance will be a sticking point for me until the AST rework lol Is literally the reason I abandoned the job for SCH.

​@@Scerttlethe word gutted is a bit harsh. I've cleared savage and ultimate content on the job pretty comfortably. I have all healers leveled to 90 and find none of them lacking for the hardest content the game has to offer. AST still feels quite unique with how busy the job is, and the various gimmicks it has despite homogenization of the healers.

That's awesome to hear! I hope you have lots of fun with learning healing! :D Thank you!

Thank you! ^^ Yeah the Excog tip is mostly because if you are still learning as a Scholar, it might be better to focus on a strict system, and some scholars don't even realize that the Faerie Gauge is not given if you use it before engaging combat. If you have full Faerie Gauge for example, then using Excog during combat is equal to using it early. What exactly is best can depend on the situation, but if you are still learning, it can be difficult to know when it is better to use it early, and when it is better to wait, so focusing on generating the extra resources in the faerie gauge to have more tools in case you need it is a good starting point I think! But yes just to reiterate: Whether Excog should be used asap or once you enter combat ultimately can depend on the specific situation!

The optimized GCD rotation of a White Mage when healing spells arent required!

A very good point! Make sure all the corpses are visibly available to raise before you click LB! 😁 I also sometimes do the awkward swiftcast thing you mentioned. It's also super fun when you swiftcast and then realize your target is nowhere near you so you just gotta mash raise with shuffling towards them 😂

Haha yeah, I actually apologized to them, and specifically quickly raised them after, extra fast, because I felt bad 😅 That was of course not their mistake, but mine! 🤣 Thank you!

also, thank you so so much for encouraging healers to *ask* to pull more. I have faith in my tanking skills, but I do not want to force my faith in *my* abilities onto others and force a healer or new dps to deal with an aggressive pull, and a healer turning around and just forcing a bigger pull rather than communicating just makes me lose *more* faith in my healer, rather than gaining more confidence in their abilities.

Thank you so much! 😁 While each person views spoilers differently, I think sprouts that aren't even close to endwalker are unlikely to have the necessary context for most of the potential spoilers for the fights showcased in the video 😊 but I do see what you mean 😅 sometimes it can be difficult to land in a situation where the specific thing being described actually happens though, so that's why I used the footage as you see here 😊

oh yeah i totally understand why you used them, cuz it makes sense. being able to show off the full range of each healer is definately necessary. Honestly, its mostly, I think, end of dungeon fights can be sorta spoils, and some certain raids

@@QueerSupervillain Healers have been adjusting for four expacs. Time for everyone else to learn. ;)

That's wonderful to hear! 😄

Indeed! I think it's always beneficial if you have time to do it! A way to make it smoother is to use swiftcast to use adloquium if the tank is escaping you 😊

​@@CaetsuChaijiCh Swiftcast has been a good friend to me for that I completely agree

That's bad advice. If you adlo before the pull you'll get the MP back almost immediately. You lose the healing effect of it, but it doesn't matter cause it's basically free. Crit adlo (critlo) fishing before pull is very common practice.

Thank you! If you need some more specific advice for a specific healer job, I have guides on the channel for each of them that go over how to use the toolkits 😄

I totally know what you mean! It also let's you really feel like a hero! 😁

Thank you! I'm glad you found them helpful! 😁

Generally, communication is the most important thing. There's a lot less friction in the game play if everyone's on the same page, and working out when a tank is gonna use their cool downs is part of that.

I think it might be an extension thing since I see the I cards fine on Firefox, but sometimes they don't appear at all so it might be a bit buggy 😅 Indeed, communication is extremely important! 😄

i believe in you!! im very much a newbie but i have AST at lvl80 now and the biggest struggle is just the sheer amount of buttons/options so far 😅

I'm glad you found it helpful! Astrologian can really be rough to get into, but I think the biggest part is the muscle memory, and that comes with practice! ^^

the hardest part is knowing who gets what cards, but that becomes easy when you know that purple frames are for ranged/healers and blue frames are for melee/tanks

The level 40 range can be brutal because unless you go and grab more gear intentionally, you can easily end up being heavily under geared for the content, and the level 40-47 dungeons stone vigil, dzemael dark hold and aurum vale are all some of the most brutal dungeons in the game due to the combination of gear and actions you have access to. The under gearing factor means that even if you have done everything you can do, the tank might be severely under geared, and it isn't uncommon in some of these dungeons for tanks to pull too much (blindly doing wall to wall pulls not realizing the danger), and the ones that immediately jump to blame the healer also tend to be more likely to forget to look at their own situation 😅 What I mean to say is that you might have been unlucky with groups! For example, unless EVERYONE in the group are solid and prepared, pulling more than 2 packs at a time in stone vigil can be a wipe. In dzemael dark hold there are multiple trap packs, such as the area with toads where the fish mob can increase the damage the tank takes. And aurum vale has the chaos of the first room, and the first boss requiring people to stop attacking and eat a fruit to not overwhelm the healer. Dzemael dark hold also has a particular mechanic in the first third of it, that standing in crystal light makes you nigh invincible, so your tank might run away from you to reach these spots! I am confident you can catch up. The best advice I can give you is try to see if you can get some gear upgrades, and then review if there is something you are forgetting! I have starter guides for all the healers on my channel in case that might help you! And then simply, jump back into it. Not all tanks are mean... At least I hope not! 😅 I hope at least some of this can help you back in the healing game!

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Wow, this answer was super detailed, thank you very much for taking the time! I thought I was just being really bad in the Dzemael Darkhold, more like Dzemael Hellhold lol I fared better in Aurum Vale as a WHM than in that damn place lol The combo you mentioned of being undergeared and lacking actions makes a lot of sense. And the tips were super useful, feeling tempted to come back to my WHM now! And I will check your guide for sure, love your teaching style, your channel helped me a lot already! Thanks once more!

For the vast VAST majority of buttons you should never use macros at all in ffxiv. The reason for this is that to put it simply, macros do not have spell queueing (the feature that both wow and ffxiv has that allows you to press a button a bit too early and the action still happens on time). Ffxiv has spell queueing for over half a second, and with a perfectly set up macro, the best you can get is ~13 frames of spell queueing (meaning higher fps = less time) For this reason, if you macro for example cure 2, the probability that it will clip or delay your gcd every time you use it is much greater than if you do it non macro. I also came from wow myself and the fact that the gcd is a full 2.5 seconds always gives me plenty of time to switch targets between actions 😊 For learning healer i recommend doing dungeons, the big wall to wall pulls tend to be a strong test of your ability to use your toolkit to it's full capacity. The bosses in between give you an idea of how to deal with big single target encounters as well, so for practicing the role in general, dungeons are great! I hope this helps! 😊

@@CaetsuChaijiCh It helps greatly, thank you for the well thought out explanation!

I think the best way to go about moving away from depending on HoT maintenance, is to simply start to not apply it as much. That is of course the obvious choice, but learning how much healing you need to do if you don't have the HoT might make it a lot easier to see whether you need the HoT at all! :D

@@CaetsuChaijiCh yeah!! ive been working on doing that and relying less on the safety blanket HoTs!! thank you for these videos & advice as always!

Absolutely true. This is also the kind of advice I give in my barrier healer guides: Make sure to keep the tank healed as you go. Don't overuse cooldowns, so have a plan, because ,as you said, once the tank drops low, it can be too hard to bring them back up!

Somewhat true. When playing SCH I will usually let the tank dip when I have a recited excog on them. Depending on what level the dungeon is it's about as good as a benediction.

Of course, making direct use of excog in this way is also a safe strategy for Scholars, as long as they are ready to catch the tanks hp once excog is spent 😄

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yea. At higher levels it's better to treat the excog as a safety net instead IMO

They almost can due to how the lilies work, but it's like a multistep process I suppose 😅 but that would certainly be an interesting opposite to sage!

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Honestly, WHM needs to get the blood lily at a lower level to drive this point home. 50 levels of hard cast heals that eat into your DPS... it's rough.

Indeed! Playing the other roles is also a great way to learn to understand how they think, which makes you better at your job! 😊 To your questions! An unfortunate side effect of holy stunning the enemies is that it removes the tanks' ability to use a stun in a tactical way - if they happen to be a tank that uses stuns like this. However, once the pull has reached a stand still (step 3, finishing the pull), you dealing as much damage as you can will end the fight sooner, which means your tank will need fewer cooldowns to survive. If the tank is attentive, then they realize you are a white mage so if they mind the "wasted mitigation" angle, they would intentionally hold back on their cooldowns expecting your stuns 😊 you HAVE to stun to do damage, there is no way around it. While the tank is still rounding up enemies however, I recommend sticking to aero and stone, as using holy at that time will make things difficult 😅 Unless someone dies from an obvious reason, who is to blame for a death is difficult to explain. If the tank wasn't using their defensives properly, and they die, then it isn't necessarily the healers fault. In a reasonable group, it isn't about figuring out who's to blame, but rather what the group as a whole can do different or better to avoid it happening again. To pose a thoughtful example, if your tank does a big wall to wall pull, but both dps happen to be either flat out afk, or just doing extremely poor damage. The tank uses their defensives to the best of their ability, you use your healing to the best of your ability, but somehow, the enemies overwhelm you because the fight goes on for so long you both run out of options, and your tank dies. Whose fault is it? 😊 You could argue that the tank is to blame for pulling more than the group could handle, or the DPS are to blame for playing poorly. Ultimately, you probably couldn't have done anything differently. But pointing fingers doesn't help anyone, and figuring out what to do different to succeed in that moment is ultimately what is going to resolve the situation 😄 I hope this makes sense! 😊

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Thank you very much!

Honestly the best bet is to just communicate. If a tank says "I'm going to invuln the next pack" do NOT holy spam because it completely wastes a 3-5 minute cool down. Cooldowns should have higher priority than GCDs like holy, since getting them on cool down sooner gets more value out of them. As a tank, I can't trust that a WHM will holy spam if they don't communicate, so I assume I will need to use my standard cool down rotation because I've been burned by the number of white mages that just panic heal instead of spamming holy. But then I've been burned by situations where I've used arms length and rampart (or worse, an invuln) on a particularly nasty pull only to have the WHM holy spam through it and waste those big cool downs.

I disagree on that Scerttle. If the tank using invuln on a pack of, say 6 mobs, mean the healer has to not use holy for 10 seconds, that's equivalent to around 4-5 holy casts, and that is worth 3600-4500 potency worth of damage. Both the tank and the healer have plenty of defensive cooldowns such that the tank doesn't need the full value of their invuln to make it through, just like the white mage itself doesn't need the value of the stuns to keep the tank alive. Ultimately, if the tank says they re going to invuln, then I will expect the tank to be aware enough to pay attention to what kind of healer he has with him, as white mage has to stun to do aoe damage, and the whole point and benefit of the invuln is to give the team (including the healer) free uptime on the enemies. If the healer isn't allowed to attack because of that, then it actually ultimately makes the fight slightly longer. Most effective would be for the tank to recognize that the stuns are going to be there, and use their invuln once the stuns end, or it becomes needed (depending on the tank of course). However all of these concerns and issues can be solved by communicating 😊 Edit: naturally, if the tank and healer both want to maximize the value of invuln and stuns but the tank used invuln first, the healer could spread dots, but it is still a dps loss, and a very big one at that, if the enemies don't live the full 30 seconds of the dot 😅

@@CaetsuChaijiCh That's a fair point. If everyone's on the same page then a WHM can go straight into Holy spam and then the tank can invuln after 🤔 I guess I just have general frustration being on both sides of the situation and would love it if people just read party chat lol

That is a very good point! Intentionally griefing like that is actually something that is reportable! I had not really considered that, but it is absolutely true! Even so, just don't be that guy regardless of whether punishment lies in wait or not! ^^

This, 100%. Play your role, do your best. If other players are being toxic, rise above and report/block them. Don't resort to being toxic too.

I think its simply because it takes a GCD to prime it, so it clashes with the idea of having to use all GCDs to attack, which some guides might really focus heavily on. If you have the GCD to spare while the pull is starting, there really is no downside to priming Horoscope in that way, and I recommend it in my guides as well!

Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear that! :D

That is correct! I actually refer to a video where I demonstrate this among a bunch of other mechanics! 😁

Yeah there's the key thing in a tank pulling an amount that matches the skill level they are playing to 😅 if they aren't using many defensives then it can be tough on the healer, and when things go well, it isn't always the healer that gets the praise they deserve 😊

Communicating what you're comfortable with is a far more fun experience than wasting people's time with deaths. The latter is toxic behaviour that is reportable if you do it repetatively. A tank constantly pulling when you've asked them not to is even more toxic, of course. But you should always try communication before bullying.

@@Phoenix-cc7xb For sure. I've been mostly playing healer in roulettes lately and you get some really poor behaviour. But just letting people die isn't the solution.

@@Phoenix-cc7xb Oh yeah, for real. It was kinda hilarious. One time before the castrum rework when it was 8 person, the other healer was afking at the start of the dungeon and I asked "can we do smaller packs? I can't keep up with the heals solo" and got vote kicked. I internally told myself "good luck doing it with zero healers then" lmfao

if you are letting people die by choice, you shouldn't be a healer

I want to highlight that on the off chance some one pulls for a tank by accident, it is equally a reportable offense to intentionally wipe the group as the tank choosing not to spring into action 😅 But I get that you mostly just want people to do their jobs right 😊

How do you tell when aggro pull is the DPS fault and not your own, though? It's a DPS job to kill enemies even during a pull. If someone has higher DPS than your ability to keep aggro, that's on you. A DPS shouldn't have to stop DPSing during a pull because you didn't build enough enmity on the initial hit. Letting people die because they drew aggro is also toxic.

Well, that depends on the situation. If the healer is spamming attacks and the tank dies because they stood in 3 overlapping aoes, getting one hit killed when they could have moved out of the way, then that is the tanks fault. Healers can't heal stupid. Also, being a "you pull, you tank" type of tank is literally a reportable offense. Your job isn't to pull, your job is to tank. Do your job. If a dps or healer is ahead of you and they pull in enemies, go and tank the enemies. If you don't want to tank, play something else.

I agree it would probably be a lot more interesting if healing was more about healing all the time 😊