I think I also read that the carbon fiber hull was supposed to be rated to 13600' or something... barely a smidgen above what the depth of the Titanic is... I'd want at least 30% headroom. If I'm going 12.5k feet down, then I'd like to hear it's rated to about 16k feet. This is aside from the fact that the viewport was apparently only rated for 4000' or something...

Agreed, I know that carbon-fiber is considered “cool” and all. But once James Cameron mentioned the material I knew where the failure point was. Carbon-fiber doesn’t do it’s thing by itself. It has to be held together with something else such as a resin.

Carbon fiber is not contiguous material and it can delaminate.

And they had said is had already been damaged from a previous dive so they dive rating had been changed so they knew ahead they were earned it wouldn’t withstand that pressure

I don't understand why carbon fibre would be considered. Weight saving doesn't seem to be an option given that it's going to be in a submersible which will sink anyways. I'd be surprised if there were any other submersible in the world that uses carbon fibre for its hull.

100 trillion times this. You can be daring, visionary and yet smart and safe at the same time. James Cameron is all of that.

He knows his engineering and is a creative - a rare combination.

@@phil4986it’s one thing to do these stunts on your own but what annoys me is he’s reassuring other ppl its safe to travel with him

The Simpsons even did a episode about this unbelievable

Like System76 :)

It is heartbreaking because he knew his father was crazy at that point. In their culture, they have to listen to their parents even if it's life or death.

Where did you hear that? x

I didn’t know that That’s sad

@@starlightrocks7 also, the father wanted his Son do something special with him on Father's Day which was Sunday...

really? where have you heard that?

Right

Agree

That’s if you’re into his Rap !

@@B3B3TTER Rich man ego blabber? What a dumbo

​@@B3B3TTERAgreed. Also Cameron has a reputation for being difficult to work with. At least according to Kate Winslet.

Ghosts ……😔

Full of pride. Pride before the fall

Hubris and arrogance are as old as the hills. It's bound to be repeated over and over again through the ages. Almost every human being has form of it or another in their DNA.

It wasn’t fault of captain Smith, ceo of White Star Line was on board & insisted that to be fastest Atlantic crossing Titanic had to continue at full speed. Captain Smith went down with his ship & White Star man jumped on a lifeboat & survived. It’s shocking that Smith, a very popular ship’s captain who was brought out of retirement because White Star couldn’t sell enough tickets for Titanic without this charismatic man should be blamed for Titanic disaster.

@@jeanmyers1787 everything is clearer in hindsight.

Plus this sub was never meant for tourism The sub was not sanctioned by the USA or anyone else hence why it's in international waters Subs like this are only good for one trip and that Subs useless pretty my like a Motor bike helmet you drop it it's useless may as well throw it in the bin The sub was basically some guys wet dream I wouldn't of gone on it if the paid me 250k

100% correct

I don't see visiting the Titanic as "reckless" as you say. The sub designed by OceanGate surpassed the most sophisticated sub built yet when you factor in how little they cost. OceanGate is so much more cost effective and I would love to see them continue with their endeavors. Coming into this year, OceanGate had a flawless record. Oh, and carbon fibre hull is so much more cost effective than titanium. There's no comparison.

​@@francisvantuyleDitto!

He's probably less rich but much wiser

He said that testosterone is a poison that needs to be removed from men's systems. He's a fool.

The truth !!!.

Didn't he go all "woke!??"

Didn't he go all "woke!??"

He really didn't in "The Lost Tomb of Jesus". He lied there a lot.

You make a good point. My feeling was that the people who were interviewed were trying to be kind to the families by not pointing blame, but you are correct. The passengers may have THOUGHT that they knew the dangers when they signed the waiver, but if they had access to all the expert criticism. of the technology, perhaps some of them would have not gone. Perhaps that father would not have brought his 19 yr old son.

@@macpduff2119 well, and these passengers probably thought, "well it's gotta be safe because the guy who invented the thing is coming on the ride with us so he wouldn't risk his own life too if he didn't think it was safe."

@@fs5775this is so true, and forgive me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that also somewhat the case on the Titanic? Maybe that was just in the movie, lol….

@@macpduff2119the family of the father and son have said the 19 year old didn’t want to go and had told his aunt he didn’t want to go and was scared

Many lawsuits coming … rightly so.

If he could only talk now the story would be different.

Yeah, I don’t care that her earned himself a Darwin Award, but he shouldn’t have taken 4 other with him!

The ceo and oceangate should be sued til bankrupt

@@katherinechatham9032 I wonder about that honestly the guy was super arrogant based on interviews where he completely disregards safety I honestly think he'd just say he'd get it right next time or something.

@@sgn9817the ceo can’t be sued

And an activist too. I remember him saying way back that he almost stopped making movies to get into activism.

He's also a professional motorcycle rider, just look at his shirt. It's a motocross shirt, he'd only wear that if he was a motocross rider too. No, James Cameron hired someone to build his sub because he doesn't know how to safely build one himself. People who work in Hollywood are professionals at "acting the part," they'll make you think they're experts by dressing up and saying all the things people expect them to say.

@@SkadooHusky You must be so fun at parties, I can tell by the clown makeup you're wearing. Oh wait that's just a fursuit. I'm sure you know all about "playing a part" while yiffing. On second thought, I know exactly what kind of parties you're going to, you can stay over there with the rest of the dogs.

@@SkadooHusky uh yeah, just like anyone would. When you have money it lets you offset the personal workload onto more people to achieve your dreams. He has a technical mind though that allows the technologies he’s involved with to become fully realized designs. He’s technical and artistic which is an uncommon blend. As an engineer, I can tell. I’m not just some numbskull saying he is a robot who can do anything because I watched one video here. What an idiot take “motorcycle rider because he has a shirt” lol ok bud

The fact that they were exploring the Titanic and spending big money to do so makes it even more ironic.

​​​@@dsbmgrey9504Not to mention they named it 'Titan'...!! 😟

Maybe it's Divine retribution for the rubber-neckers who think that the sunken Titanic is there to provide a tourist "stop of interest". On every deep sea diver's "to see" list. And those that can't dive, well for just a quarter of a million dollars you can be transported to the bottom of the ocean to ogle the wreckage. Does it not occur to ANYONE that the Titanic resting site is a GRAVEYARD? It is not there to be visited by onlookers who want to see the clothing and bones that litter the ship and the seabed. That site should be treated with the highest respect. It is the graveyard of 1500 unfortunate souls who lost their lives that day in 1912. Stop treating this like a tourist attraction!

Well, future tourist dive expeditions to see Titanic can view the remains of Titan, too. They're the latest additions to this ocean graveyard site.

​@dsbmgrey9504 None of those on board were "explorers." They were tourists. People who go on dangerous carnival rides aren't explorers, they're thrill seekers.

agree. I feel so awful for that kid, I'm sure he would still love to be around.

What is even more creepy is that "Titan" was a novel made back in the late 1800's that had creepy similarities to the Titanic disaster. And now the "Titan" submersible, that was on a mission to the Titanic, suffered a terrible fate at the same spot, because of the same reasons behind it. It is 3x creepy. Eerie eerie eerie...

@@-_deploy_- very meta

@@-_deploy_-ghosts 😮😞

The Titanic didn't claim these people's lives, the arrogance and stupidity of the CEO of Oceangate took their lives and his.

I agree.

I think it shouldn’t be touched, but if someone wants to go back down and view it I don’t see why not

That's what people don't take into account: that it IS a mass grave. Watch KZfaq videos. Watch the stupid movie. Quit risking lives in vehicles that are put together rather crudely, without using the most talented people, without taking into account for safety,.

AMEN

This is heartbreaking. He's the only one I feel sorry for.

Whos too scared to say? Maybe you are mate... dont generalise with me champ...

Very well put and a very important lesson for all of us to learn.

I agreed the guy responsible isn't remotely a hero. He disregarded people with vastly greater experience, apparently believing Silicon Valley's mantra "move fast and break things" would somehow disprove his critics and detractors. Well, he broke it. Too bad he didn't bother to study the Scorpion, Thresher and Kursk sub disasters, experienced by two naval powers with vast resources. Going deep in the ocean is considerably more dangerous than going into space, because the pressure differential is orders of magnitude greater. 15K ft of water exerts more than 450 atmospheres of pressure (6,600 psi) trying to get in, while a vessel in space is required to contain only one atmosphere (14.7psi) trying to get out.

He nailed it Speaking out off experience

He really raises the bar.

Right! Really good interview

Fortunately?😮

@@starlightrocks7if they had been aware, they would’ve had to deal with the terrifying reality that they were about to drown 2 miles into frigid saltwater.

He does mention that he and the community believe they had dropped ballast and were ascending when it imploded, meaning they knew something was wrong. But I’m sure their deaths were mercifully quick. Still horrifying

@@KBizzy do we, as humans, completely flatten under that pressure? Are we squished to nothing but bones and our flesh turned to liquid? Im sure they knew to worry, but have no idea they are dead.

@@snypa-ck7hnyes. Every pocket of air in your body will want to rapidly escape you no matter what it needs to do to achieve that. You’ll also turn into a pressure cooker and boil if you aren’t ripped apart first by your shattering bones that would act as shrapnel.

You would still do a dive with Cameron after witnessing this, I don’t care who it is. I’ll never dive 13,000 feet in the ocean. Humans aren’t meant to go down there.

@@TheMelman55 humans are also not meant to fly, yet u prolly go on an airplane veryone once and then.

@@ashketchum2205 not even close to the same thing

@@chairmanofthebored8684 what is it a Prison Sentence ? Be sensible Buddy !

I just don't think it's worth the effort, time, money. If anything I'd rather go to space. Seems safer - though with all them things, spaceship, sub(mersible), plane, if it goes down, it tends to take all passengers along with it. You can go there with a remotely operated submersible. Being there physically has very little value - at least in my eyes. Space we might colonise. If we ever need to go under water, things are beyond desperate... The first planes also lost wings due to fatigue (aluminium didn't work out well, even though it was light). At any rate, planes are heavily regulated. Going to the abyss is no where near the kind of innovation both flight and spacetravel went through. That's why it's so horrendous that this rush dude took 'tourists'. I'm still baffled it was possible to do this to begin with. It seems negligent, criminal, bonkers.

Cameron and McCartney, Both left handed vegans. Photos of them are of interest.

People are still missing/haven't been found on Mt. Everest

Noone has died diving to the Titanic...until now..

More idiots. No tax money should of been spent finding these fools. They went commercially into international waters. On a commercial craft. Signed waivers to do it. If other worldwide commercial companies wanted to aid from their own dollar an donations. Good on them

@@Cruz474 Death happens when you are using a rinky dink kitchen sink submersible.

​@@Cruz474 Because the others had sufficient common sense and were not doing it for greed.

Yes what happened of not using cameras tied to long rope to put down there!!!..

It wasn't entangled they sad...sooo sad!!!

I’m I missing something here? How could a back up have helped

Not in this situation but it speaks to a completely callous disregard for implementing safety measures, especially when this was established best practice. I don’t understand how you could be intelligent,, motivated and well resourced enough to put this operation together but then get the basics so wrong? Disregard warnings? Unless it was motivated by cash grab, trying to innovate by cutting corners to make it more cost effective than competitors, in which case why did the ceo get on board?

What’s the documentary called?

@@B3B3TTER exactly. I also find it funny that people think James Cameron is an expert with submersibles but the CEO of a submersible company? What does he know? If I remember, someone nearly drowned during filming of the titanic. They weren't even sinking and someone nearly died.

That is wild.

The irony!

You win.

There's an irony but it's not poetic justice. Saying that is truly vile.

It is exactly what I thought. Way too many similarities that resulted in the same fate, at the same place. Nothing was learned.

Thank you! Finally, someone gets it.

Titanic is an infamous disaster where many people died. Living want to see the wreck which is understandable. Dead don’t mind because they are no longer here or there at the bottom. There are many places on earth where people lost their lives, living have visited, are visiting and will be visiting these sites. So stop whining about it.

the issue is vessel is poorly built and designed, everything wouldve been fine if that was the case so visiting the titanic is actually not a bad idea

Don't ever go to a cemetery...

I ain't gonna lie I was thinking of this. They wanted to see the dead so the dead had them join them 👻👻👻

Great point.

Good point

Good one! Add space to that as well.

can't agree more

Would you do it if you couldn't post it on Instagram is what should be asked. And that includes taking pics of a meal, new hair do, trip. Sadly most people do anything for validation from others. Total waste of time and experience

It's who "men" are more like. Sorry, but no women would have been insane enough to go down there in that thing given the experimental nature of the thing. This was a truly risk-taking male act.

I think you nailed it. It's human nature to want something so badly that throwing caution to the wind over any issue that arises feels right. We've seen it before, in folks who wouldn't get out of the path of erupting volcanos, who stood rooted as a dam breaks, and endangering the lives of others by refusing to turn back before submitting the world's most inhospitable mountaintops. Sometimes we will just not look in a mirror and say no.

Someone needs to write a book about this tendency.

It’s still kind of eerie how the same fate has happened to these 5 people. Feels like a curse but it’s more like a reminder of why you must follow all protocols.

@@fs5775I don’t think that is true. Look At Elizabeth Holmes. As one example.

Whow two double entanders in one sentence.

@@francisvantuyleI caught that too.

Who are you talking to? 😅

Last month over 200 people died in a train accident in India. 4 people vs 200 and this get all the attention without any right.

​@@Alan-cl2ixlet me correct you sir..according to the govt the number is around 300 and according to locals it is around 1000

Actually he's Canadian.

really impressed with his knowledge.

James Cameron is not an American, he is from Canada.

@@jamessiddle7389 Yup. Funny too since he doesn't even have a hint of a Canadian accent since he's lived in the US for so long.

He is very experienced, but he holds no science degrees, nor is he an engineer. He calls himself an engineer multiple times in this piece which is incorrect.

"The rich like to think they can bye their way to fame, but it back fired. 🤑

@@snow_tacknives2024 It’s really sad that the young man didn’t want to go on the dive but did so for a bonding moment with his dad. He literally gave up his life for good ‘ole dad. Personally I think a good bonding moment would be over coffee or better yet a nice dinner but definitely not in a submersible where you have to acknowledge you might die.

GREAT QUESTION 👀

Facts

Not to defend them but to play devil's advocate....International Waters?

SpaceX and many other private space companies are offering the same thing. Also its easy to say why this and that but also why would you pay to get into a rollercoaster, terrible accidents can happen there too.

​@@Alan-cl2ixrollercoasters are tried and tested and have millions of case studies of being run while this sub has only been run with a full crew twice.

Thats so eerie i heard about it

That was the kiss of death to name it the Titan.

Ironically the titanic actually had sufficient lifeboats, but they launched them way to quickly without waiting to fill them

@@sci-fyguy7767 💯

That is all too eerie. Way too eerie...

Same here, as soon as I heard it was missing and made from carbon fiber, my mind went right to implosion. Everyone thinks carbon fiber is some miracle material, but it is not and should not be used for every application. It has flaws and weaknesses, which are evident under pressure and cold, as it becomes brittle.

Cameron was a physics student before he got interested in film making. He knew enough to realize what he did not know, and then put in the work to do it right. There are no short cuts when lives are on the line.

@@shooter7a Thank you for the info on his scientific background. Well said.

They were no different from those who attempted to climb Mt. Everest or jumped from a high cliff in a wing suit and died.

@@edgardovillacorte7012 sorry to disagree, but there are many differences. Primarily the vessel they used was substandard. Experts had warned them. Even if they did reach the surface they'd still be low on oxygen because it only opened from the outside. Imagine that! The material they used were not certified either. So, unlike Everest or wing suits these guys had the technology available. There are vessels there that go 3 times deeper with no issues. Of course there are risks but this was reckless.

@@nimascolari1508 Based on your questions checklist, it's all a yes for Mt. Everest climbers and wingsuit flyers. They have been warned and are aware of the hazards and significant probability of death and serious injury in such extreme sports. There too are documented cases of oxygen equipment and wingsuit failures. Regarding the unsoundness of Titan's design, Stockton Rush was no different from the CEOs of aircraft and vehicle manufacturers who were aware of and ignored flaws in their products that eventually led to the deaths of thousands.

I don't call them brave! To many red flags, and many warnings! More $$$ in the bank than brains in the head! Dreamers... Like all dreamers, they mistook disenchantment for truth.

He didn't cut corners or ignore safety concerns

He also had a crew above water just in case something went wrong..

He went down the the deepest part of the ocean also. Over 7 miles down

Luck was not a factor.

Safety isn't luck, it's preparedness. As he said he only made the trip in safety approved and tested equipment. This should be a lesson to everyone on dangers of cutting corners on safety.

James said in the interview the weight was drop to come back up but sound as it was already to late I would think they all had the moment of fear before it impoled

Sounds like that CEO is pretty convincing 🤷‍♀️

More debris to look for... and, "same site"... wow

😳☮️

Given the short trip, one minute is enough: Splash, pop, my heart will go on.

As to your point, at least an ROV to shadow the ship through out the duration of the dive. Another set of eyes hovering above and out of the way could and should have been employed. In another life, I spent 15 years as part of the technical support on an Geological research vessel. If the mission required it, we would hire ROV teams. At times the currents were prohibitive but as we know here, the maximum speed was 3 mph. In this case unless the currents were still, the mission was cancelled anyway.

In all risky scenarios you have a back up. You don’t jump out of a plane without a back up parachute.

Yes and a man of knowledge of respecting history. He didn’t take shortcuts in his movies and didn’t take shortcuts in diving to see the titanic 33 times

Five votes for Biden less

My heart felt condolences to the families of those that perished in this horrific tragedy.

@@rogerfournier3284 mine didn't

​@@horkfordshire627 Come on now be nice .... They could help some homeless people in Los Angeles with that amount of money spent for "having fun"

@@AHammock we could help so many with the money for the high tech rescue alone but no, some rich woke slobs keep it for themselves

Just like how people don't read the apple agreement when they get an iPhone, im sure they didn't read the waiver

They didn't according to an ex-employee.

@@innocentrage1 😂😂😂😂

@@innocentrage1 🤣🤣That's why I don't purchase iPhones.

well this is in international waters… The vessel was not launched near the beach. it is far onto the middle of the ocean, so.. the rules do not apply there. We know that those certification things for vessel like this is just merely for self assurance NOT the law.

2:19...

I know right? What an overblown egomaniac.....

speak for yourself...

@@nachoamigo wow, so edgy...

@@nachoamigo Grow up

@@JulieR73 I did, and this is what I became. If you want me to sympathize with some wealthy people who have no regard on how the rest of the world works, tell the government to stop education all together so I can be a good little downtrodden boy.

The satellite got destroyed as it went further into the water.

​@@starlightrocks7James Cameron sub doesn't have that issue.

​ By who ? Shark 🦈

yeap, that corn for the unicorn.

The lack of successful testing and reaching milestones were major failure points.

Yeah I remember seeing pictures of it months ago when they announced they would be taking it down to the titanic. Very curious as to why they didn’t go the capsule shape route

I didn’t know you were an authority in forensic engineering. Please share the facts you have.

@@sammyday3341ommon sense which is not as fashionable today, may have whispered to him that a spherical construction is more stable at such depth

Again….🤦🏾‍♀️

Uh...what does "wokeness" have to do with any of this?

Are you confused?

"wokeness"?? More like greed. Do you know what is involved in making a low alloy high yield steel pressure vessel? Machining. Pre-heating. Welding. Heat treatment. Quenching. Tempering. -XRay and UT NDE examination. More machining. All that costs money. A lot of money. They thought they were smart and figured out a way to get around that with materials that were totally unsuited to long term usage in this application, but were cheaper. It was all about $. It has nothing to do with being "woke".

Wokeness?? No, GREED AND RECKLESSNESS. “Woke” term is old and used one to many times for too many yrs.

The CEO of this company who built the sub was some 50 year old white guy, so it had nothing to do with wokeness. Pushing your agenda here a little too hard…

Well duh, it's fun to look at. The "grave yard" was eaten by hungry crabs years ago.

@@TonyFisherPuzzles You sound foolish.

@@TonyFisherPuzzles National Geographic has some beautiful video of it. I'll just sit on my couch and watch that. And it doesn't matter if the bodies are gone...it's still a gravesite.

They'd pretend Matt damon was on board and come up with a Rich Purnell maneuver before they ran outta air

The back up sub is not intended to be for the others to come on board if something went wrong. If the other sub gets trapped, the back up is there to be their eyes and tell them how to manoeuvre out of it. The other scenario would be that if the other sub has some sort of malfunction, the back up would be the first to resurface and alert for help. Most who dive to that depth already know what the risks are and that unfortunately if something goes wrong, you have very limited options

They wouldn't, the sub may be able to pull them out, be there eyes, or communicate with the surface if their communications are gone, or in the worst case ihysisally ascend and get help

Yep! Knowing the rich peoples arrogance they’ll go into outer space next and this same tragedy will happen again.

Nope. keep "exploring" otherwise they get into politics.

They should just give it to me and in exchange I'll give them an Xbox controller that works and that they can play deep sea video games on a TV and keep their lives

​@@MT-2020 Yeah like Soros & son

Amen ☁️🎺👼💒🙏🌹✨

That’s what I thought but I didn’t know how to put In words, so thank u

With your information, I am glad they didn't suffer.

What a way to go !

@7:52 Cameron said they had warning/ sensors went off/ prob. dropped weights + imploded upon ascent.

@@donalkinsella4380: how could a dead body drown?