Scope is mounted higher than snoop dogg and willie nelson on a flight together.

I built a 6.5 Creedmoor from a Howa 1500 and the MTD chassis. Its awesome!

Once again, your format is awesome. Show a full group, real-time, then skip-time for the rest of the episode. It's a little thing, but it makes me happy. ^_^

Howa makes great rifles!

I’ve got a Howa that in that old caliber no one invites anymore, 308. When it isn’t in the corner pouting thinking about how in high school it could throw a 168 a 1/4 mile, it shoots between 3/4 and 1 moa out to 600

I built a couple rifles years back with howa barreled actions and they were amazing guns. One was a 204 ruger that was stainless heavy barrel and it was killer. It would drive nails all day long and was worth every penny spent. Thinking about buying and building a couple more cause you just can't go wrong with howa.

Big thumbs up on the Tract optic. I picked one up a couple months ago and it's the best scope under 2k dollars I've had the pleasure to handle.

I've got an older 1500 243 with a vortex z Brite scope. This gun doesn't care one bit if it's Remington core lok or a winchester power points in 100 gr. as it will poke all three into a single jagged hole at 100 yards. I've only found 2 guns that can do this with factory ammunition and the other is a Ruger American in 308 winchester. This gun has the exact same scope and it absolutely loves the 180 grain winchester power points. It proves that the newer guns have tighter chambers and better barrels than the older ones. I have learned that when I'm shooting with a bipod, to c clamp a 1x4 to the front of the table and load the legs against the 1x4 for optimum accuracy. I always do this, and when I'm hunting, I will always load the bipod in little holes in the dirt made with my knife. This is what I have learned from the scout sniper platoon in San Diego back in the day. I always let them barrels cool off for 15 minutes between shots because the barrels will retract from the previous shot heating up these slimmer barrels. The m- 40 a 5s that we trained with are custom built rifles for precision shooting and these rifles are extremely accurate and expensive. The scopes are the 8541 Schmidt and Benders, and these are top of the line 3x12 x56 mil rad scopes that you can see into the promise land with. It's good to know that the newer rifles have been very successful in gaining great strides of producing quality products for use in the hunting rifles at a fraction of the price of a custom built rifle costs. Semper Fi

That target camera makes all the difference in the world. Editing out the time between shots is a nice touch also!

Love the target camera. Consider adding a chronograph and providing ES and SD data.

Yeah Jon these are great really enjoy the segment

I just bought a 6 creed more in the river predator, its one the most accurate rifles I've ever shot, 105 Bergers, Varget powder, nosler brass.....

Shame the Japanese have such a taboo on firearms. They make some amazing stuff.

Big fan of the proving ground segments. Keep em coming.

Would love too see some 6.5 Grendel loads in a 20 to 24" platform

I love that Cole-Tac sponsored your video, they are right here in NH!

Great video. Appreciate the honesty. The target camera makes it fun to watch (thanks for speeding it up). Could you group the Q Fix rifle? I have one and have trouble finding ammo that it likes. Appreciate ya

I've got an RPR in 6mm CM, and I as long as I do my part, it has no problems shooting a half inch group at 100 yards with the 108gr or 87gr factory ammo. Now the 103gr ELD-X was closer to one inch group.

It definitely strings them after 3. I had that issue with my Tikka .270 wsm. First 3 shots of Fed Fusion 150 grain was .875 and after that they opened up.

Thanks for the Video! You’d be surprised at how a bag out front can tighten up groups! Bipods are good on grass, dirt, etc. I know a bag doesn’t look all tactical and stuff but a bipod on a wood bench isn’t your most average real world scenario anyway.

You two have done an excellent job laying this out. I know what type of ammo I’ll be getting when I pick this gun up Wednesday. Great format!

I’ve had mag problems with my Howa mini Grendel also. Had a barreled action pillar bedded in a Boyd’s One stock with a Dip Inc trigger guard and box plate. There’s a little play and it doesn’t lock up real tight leading me to have to press up on the mag so they’ll feed. I have it at my gunsmith for adjustment. I’ll only use my mag to hunt with since I load my own long range rounds by hand and their long than factory ammo. Other than that, I can shoot 1/2” groups with Nosler RDF 130’s with Lapua brass and Alliant power pro varmint.

I like what you're doing here. It's a good change of pace from your other videos. In my limited experience loading 9mm for my pistol I find 124gr works better than 115gr. I load them pretty hot using Hodgdon CFE.

Shooting footage is definitely a plus to the channel. Good Job Guys!!

My Remington 700 SPS AAC Tactical in 308 shoots half MOA with my handloads and an SWFA scope mounted with $20 rings. Everything is stock. I never did any break-in procedures. I just use isopropyl alcohol on a Bore Snake to clean it when needed. I use a $40 Caldwell swivel bipod with a $10 bubble level. I use a dress sock stuffed with airsoft BB's for the rear bag. I don't feel the need for a $5000 gun setup but would sure like one.

just got an AB Arms with a Howa 308...the barrel break in procedure was tedious (but I did follow Howa's recommendations) but so far have only shot cheap .308 ammo (Fiocchi 150 gr). The groups were not impressive (me or the barrel?) but I have some match ammo and will test again as I only have 60 rounds through the gun (including the barrel conditioning). Have high hopes for this gun.

Hey Jon! Nice job with this I’m really glad you were able to get some positive feedback from the other proving ground videos and use it to get better. You knocked this one out the park, looking forward to seeing the extended range!

Howa makes some awesome bolt action rifles. Also have a Happy thanksgiving Mr. Patton.

This Howa 1500 action looks like a solid base to build from! I would want this, or a 6.5CM build for myself....all in due time.

I understand that you can get this chassis for a Weatherby Vanguard... If so, I will be looking into it for my 25-06.

nice to look at things i can't have [any time soon] nice to see what these rifles can do on the range.

A little side movement on the groups, a bedding job may tighten these good groups up even better, maybe even a little more tight on the action screws but good shooting guys

223'd like! Exited to see the extended range, I have never viewed 6mm before.

Do a video on the tac a1,a lot of people like em!.Mine has shot a .3 inch group and consistently shoots no more than .5 at 100.

Wow, he stacked 3 with his hand loads. He certainly rolls his own !!!! ~Give him a shirt~

Keep these vids coming. Fun to watch.

The proving ground videos are getting better each time. One recommendation I would make is to be more consistent with your targets. I understand not wanting to look rehearsed, but having defined divisions between ammo and shooter would make it easier to follow. Also, if in post production editing you could add the range buddy results it would be cool, but not required. Love the channel, keep up the good work!

Love the 3 in 1 action on the roll your own. I would bet with omega testing and a ladder load set up. This could put 5 in 1.

I gotta say I like the testing, two shooters and multiple ammo types

I love the 6mm creedmoor. My savage model 10 shoots great.

I keep reading about accuracy problems due to long throat in this 6mm Howa. Whats up ? Howa fix that ??? I wanted a Howa 6mm

Love accuracy tests like this man. Good or bad all the info is great. Seems like an awesome shooting gun. Won’t be any issue at all at long range

I have the 1500 Bravo in .308. The mag did the same thing on the first 40 rounds.

I like these vids. Keep them coming. Thanks

I just bought the Howa 1500 American Flag Chassis package. It is sub MOA with my handloads. It was worth every penny. I only paid $1,199 for the package.

Outstanding gentlemen. I am honestly impressed with the overall results. The groups were all at least decent but most were excellent. If you all shoot that well green with a new gun.....Please let us know if you have footage of what you can do with your prefered rifles. Is there a review on this gun yet? Thanks men.

Testing protocol for you. Step one get together hang out and bs for about 30 minutes step 2 screw around playing Gypsy grab-ass for another hour step 3 get drinks step 4 start shooting step 5 make fun of each other for another hour and a half step 6 review results on targets

With the Tompson LRR you don't have those problem !!

Howa you guys doing hehe? Great video, what kind of can would you put on it? Almost need something beefier than a 5.56 can. Are you guys gonna do a Thanksgiving tgc podcast? If not we get it, have fun with family.😀

Glad to finally see a quality video on the 6mm Creed. Been interested in the cartridge for awhile now. Do you see the potential of this round taking off like the 6.5 Creed has?

Curious - what barrel break-in did you perform, if any? If you did, how many rounds since then? You mentioned barrel heating up at one point. Would it have helped to have a longer cool-down between each shot? The groups seemed to expand as the barrel warmed, but it was impossible to tell since it was not in real time for most of it (speeding up the real time was good, tho). Was there any cleaning during the firing day, and if not, do you think it would have made a difference?

With a little load developing that should be a great shooter.! Those Tract scopes are solid, sure love mine.!

I'm a fan of these proving ground video's. Keep it up !

Love the proving ground videos, this has got me really excited to build a 6mmCreedmor AR. Side note, glad your dad necklace made it back.

That's great grouping. I think barrel heat was opening up your group. Can't tell if you waited any time between shots due to video editing. Studio 😂

Try dry firing on your bipod /bag set up and see how much movement of the crosshairs you're getting. I'm tipping you are getting heaps judging by the consistency of the groups. I dry fire on my bags until the movement ceases before I fire a shot. All my heavy barrel Howa's (7 of) shoot .75-.8 moa without any type of load development. With basic load development they all shoot .5 moa.

nice shootin there Tex, been thinking about a Howa 1500 in 6.5 Creedmore

Great video. Still haven't seen an accurate 6cm yet. I'll stick with 6.5

One trick to keep your cycling smooth on a standard Factory more budget friendly type Rifle is to hold your Thumb on the back of the Bolt as you push forward.

Good review and excellent shooting. Keep it up!

The Hornady Black 6mm BTHP shoot pretty well also.

Spring tension prob with the mag maybe? I had a tikka chassis gun with mag dropping after recoil. Simple fix and I was back in bz

I'm loving these videos Jon

howa 1500s need the bottom side of the action ground down to accommodate aics metal Mags :)

Like this kind of shooting! Thanks

Love it! A change in pace...

I love it keep it up throw a little slow mo in there too don't have to but if you want thanks guys

2 things, Scope High over Bore is killing me and when shooting for groups use a front rest instead of a bi-pod

I always enjoy good shooting! Hope it goes well at longer ranges. Happy Turkey Day guys!

Those groups are what you should be getting at 300yds, trade that Howa.

6mm is amazing because it shoots super flat and you can spot your own shots.

Pretty good shooting guys!

I think I may have to get one of these .... need more ammo testing though

This rifle looks just like the 6.5 creed Thompson center lrr

Such a sick stock👌

Great job, keep on trucking

In every video I watch that uses a variety of different match ammo, the Hornady ELD Match in the white box, in any caliber, always has the smallest grouping. It's the closest you can get to handloaded ammo.

now I want a Howa, thanks guys. :P

Wonder if the bolt lugs could benefit from a little lapping

When i see that type of MOa at 100 yards and then shoot at 1,000 yards, then i will be impressed ? Its the type of rifle and ammo i am going to be using and the most important aspect is to blueprint the barrel and action before shooting at ELR distances and with 108 grain 6mm creedmoor Hornady match rounds as well ?

Tune that thing with some 105 Berger’s and it will amaze u!!!

It would be nice if you used a chronoghraph , that way we could see velosity, es and sd. That may tell you if a bad group is the gun or the ammo.

Maybe try a slightly slower powder? I don’t know what your total process was, still a very nice video. Good luck getting the 6 creed tracking consistently.

Your fundamentals drive me crazy John. I have a specific set of skills that i would be willing share with you... off camera....but i could def help you guys out.

These aren't custom high end hand lapped barrels... Mass production barrels need to be "seasoned" first with copper fouling to tighten up the bore before you'll really see what the barrel is capable of. Usually that takes shooting at LEAST 40-100 rounds down the bore without cleaning before a barrel starts shooting it's best. I'd put a minimum of 2 boxes of ammo down a new barrel before trying to compare groups to be fair to the rifle and see what its true accuracy potential is. I know, that costs more money. You'll notice the groups get better as the rifle gets more copper fouling... Use the cheapest ammo you can find first to season the barrel!

A portable fan for the barrel would help your groups.

Damnit. I seriously didn't want to hear you say it was a test action. I want an off the shelf gun that I would end up with were I to buy one. And I guess I would assume there is always a possibility these t&e guns might get a little more attention than the others

Great video! I understand it's only a 6mm CM, but the recoil seems incredibly tame. Do you know the weight of the rifle?

Great job.

great job guys. semper fi

Does a yone know what the parent case is ,

Wow! You have some mighty tall rings on that thing. Any cant issues with your scope that high ?

Think you need higher scope rings!!!

Tell Izzy that the video editing to make that look like a semi-automatic rifle was pretty cool. He deserves that place warmer with bikinis

MORE!

That .243 shoots pretty good.

I like the 25 creed with Blackjack’s new Ace 131 gr high bc. Kills the ballistics of everything else that’s similar.

I honestly think some of your weird issues are not the ammo. That Harris bipod needs to go, the one I have creates similar weird issues with groups. That rifle seems like it is fine. I literally saw three bullets with 87 grain bullets go in the same hole then magically two shots go high but into the same hole. To me that’s not the ammo that’s either the shooter(unlikely from your video)or a unknown support equipment issue. The Harris issues are well documented as well. Tons of constant options for bipods. The mag issue I expected most of the budget guns have issues with mags until the shooter figures it out. Most times shooters don’t figure that out till it starts failing at a match. Fortunately lots of experience at those matches gets them on the right track to figuring it out. Definitely a possible option for a budget match rifle!

Cool, I’ve got a 243 win

I think most rifles shoot better with heavier bullets. However I think it has more to do with the length of the bullets. Heavy bullets are generally longer, better rifling engagement.