7 Glaring Issues in The Adam and Eve Story | Deconstructing Genesis 2-3

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From anachronisms to bad science, the story of Adam & Eve is one shrouded in mystery and questions. I narrowed my observations down to just 7 glaring issues with the account from Genesis 2-3.
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@TheAncientNearEast
@TheAncientNearEast 11 ай бұрын
To say that this story borrowed from other ancient near eastern texts, would be a massive understatement!!
@compositioncompilation
@compositioncompilation 10 ай бұрын
Interested me a few years back I came across some research that stated there are parts of the book of Genesis that were compiled from other records.. You can see that if you're looking The way it seems to lack continuity where it said for example..this is the history of.. as if there was a page or document that was preserved (carried on the ark)and relied upon in collating the history of the earth..perhaps Adam or another early descendant had recorded it in person
@outbackgearforu
@outbackgearforu 10 ай бұрын
Doesn’t mean it’s false , just realise that
@compositioncompilation
@compositioncompilation 10 ай бұрын
@@outbackgearforu It shows there's consensus..agreement. It's similar to the account of the global deluge in the time of Noah. There are so many accounts from different civilisations sharing many commonalities in their legends with the biblical account in Genesis 6. There must be truth to it then..as these have remained as part of history til our times over 6000 years ago.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
A myth believed by many is still a myth....
@compositioncompilation
@compositioncompilation 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone On the basis of evidence from scientific surveys carried out at the site where the Ark of Noahs Day came to rest according to the biblical account..it cannot be included as just another myth..not when there's conclusive evidence.. If you were sat on a jury , ignoring such incontrovertible evidence, you could not be trusted..not by the innocent nor the guilty.. The innocent would have nothing to do with you..but the guilty murderer or fraudster would come after you.. sure you were going to blackmail them..knowing they were guilty.. He might reason in his wicked heart: What good reason could you have for dismissing such evidence ?? Made In Gods image ..its right that we should exercise justice always. The reason it upsets us when we see injustice is because we re made In Gods image.. We simply are not satisfied with the cliche..survival of the fittest...it just won't do !! Psalm 100:3
@jenna2431
@jenna2431 11 ай бұрын
To say nothing of the fact that Adam would not have known what it would be to experience death, as in ""Thou shall surely die." If sin and death entered the world only when they ate, then they couldn't possibly have any conception of what that might actually mean. Nothing there had ever died. Therefore the threat was as meaningless as telling a kindergartener that they won't have a secure retirement without a pension plan.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 11 ай бұрын
SUCH a good observation!
@helitonsilveira9484
@helitonsilveira9484 10 ай бұрын
Great!
@TallGlass-fh8qf
@TallGlass-fh8qf 10 ай бұрын
But the knowledge that they were missing was not of d3ath...they were missing the knowledge of Satan. The tree of the knowledge of g+e is another title for 'the serpent,' who was holding the fruit from the tree of life...when he was tempting Eve. There was no literal tree of knowledge or magical fruit...there was only one actual tree in the midst of the Garden that Satan was standing by to tempt Eve. It wasn't a thr3at by God, it was a w4rning from God.
@Coolerranch1
@Coolerranch1 10 ай бұрын
God had spoken to Adam and Eve about this and they knew who God is (He taught Adam to name). So they knew what death was which is why the serphant ensured Eve that they wouldn't die but will still be a part of God's people.
@TallGlass-fh8qf
@TallGlass-fh8qf 10 ай бұрын
Amen@@Coolerranch1! 'The serpent' knew he had to convince Eve that "death was not certain by nature of sin," and therefore "couldn't exist in nature following sin." Satan was a deceptive wordsmith straight up and down. Amen!
@ThatImmo
@ThatImmo 10 ай бұрын
The most glaring issue is punishing people for doing a WRONG thing which was LEARNING what the WRONG is. How can one be punished for all eternity for doing a thing the wrongness of which they were literally mentally incapable to grasp? It shows that God does not demand love, nor does he demand morality - he demands BLIND OBEDIENCE.
@victorpulis5113
@victorpulis5113 Ай бұрын
God punished nam for developing a CONSCIENCE which distinguishes us from the other animals! futhermore Adam and Eve couldn't sin since they couldn't tell good from evil TILL AFTER THEY ATE. it's like placing a sweet in front of year old baby and telling him not to touch it (knowing that he will) and then punish him (and his descendants!) for disobeying!
@James-wv3hx
@James-wv3hx 10 ай бұрын
I used to listen to Alan Watts, a former Catholic Priest on the radio when I was 15 years old. One of his lectures - On Being God. Is a good one. And - They Made it All Up! I'm 70 years old now and I'll be listening to you. Thanks 👍
@austindavid7155
@austindavid7155 10 ай бұрын
Another glaring issue is that we are told the tree of knowledge of good and evil was placed in the center of the garden of Eden, in which it would have been in full view of not only Adam and Eve but animals as well. And any animal that could have reached the fruit of the tree would have eaten it as well, since the food looked delicious and good to eat. What would have happened if a squirrel had eaten of the fruit? Would it have gained the knowledge of good and evil and condemned the world? Or was the knowledge restricted only to humans and not animals? That would be arbitrary! Such questions expose the absurdity of the story, and a glaring plot hole that disproves the idea that the story could have been inspired by God.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
OMG this is great. I'm absolutely making a sequel to this video and adding this to the list.
@harveywabbit9541
@harveywabbit9541 10 ай бұрын
The Garden of Eden (Promised Land) stretches from the spring equinox to the autumn equinox. The middle would be the summer solstice. This is the six days/months/signs (Aries thru Virgo) of Genesis one. The six nights/signs (Libra thru Pisces) = the "winter" season which stretches from the autumn equinox to the spring equinox. This is often modified where the first night (Libra) is added to the six days to get the sacred seven. This leaves Scorpio thru Pisces representing "winter" aka the five months that can harm man through hunger. (Rev 9.5).
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
wrong, the tree of knowledge of good and evil was NOT placed in the middle of the garden. The tree existed, and god planted a garden around it....technically, the tree of knowledge AND the tree of life where in their places, and the garden was planted around THEM, meaning that "in the midst of the garden" was actually an area of land, not the actual middle
@carlisroy6666
@carlisroy6666 10 ай бұрын
Not only that. Did god not already know the outcome in advance? If so, then he already knew his creation was flawed but went through with this terrible plan anyway.
@harveywabbit9541
@harveywabbit9541 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 The middle of the garden is the summer solstice aka Jerusalem of the free woman.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 10 ай бұрын
Nicely done. You are on my growing list of new and helpful channels to watch and support. Thank you.
@willsantos8012
@willsantos8012 10 ай бұрын
Matthew 13:11-12 11. And he answered and said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that which he hath.
@sbnwnc
@sbnwnc 10 ай бұрын
​@@willsantos8012This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men *and women, children and infants* , cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." -1 Sam. 15
@willsantos8012
@willsantos8012 10 ай бұрын
@@sbnwnc In the context of the times of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), Israel represented divine justice and the protection of God's oracles. Eliminating all of the enemy people guaranteed there would be no revenge on the part of those spared and the animals would not be used for sexual and ritual abominations. When Israel disobeyed these instructions we can see what happened. See Judges 3:1-3
@sbnwnc
@sbnwnc 10 ай бұрын
@@willsantos8012 So indiscriminantly killing babies is sometimes okay?
@sbnwnc
@sbnwnc 10 ай бұрын
@@willsantos8012 Or is it just Amalekite babies that need to die by the sword?
@davidfitnesstech
@davidfitnesstech 10 ай бұрын
Most of these points have been my issues with the *'A&E' fable* for a long time.
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley 10 ай бұрын
Important facts the authors left out of their story: God created and controlled the clever talking serpent (Satan). God knew that Adam and Eve would disobey him before he created them and exposed them to the Serpent God assigned free will to his creations and could also take it away at any moment - so it wasn't free. God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden instead of removing it and avoiding the fall. God was absent when the serpent arrived to temp Eve and then afterwards a different god (minus his Divine Attributes) reappeared looking for Adam and Eve. (Two different gods!) God won't forgive Adam and Eve for falling into his sting operation and decides to punish them instead of forgiving as an expression of his unconditional love. A side note: Adam throws Eve under the bus which shows what type of person Adam and his creators were. It's a cruel, illogical story of shame and guilt created by sadistic, barbaric writers and passed on by generations of book publishers, book sellers, parents and preachers to children to rob them of their birthright. This must stop if humanity is to improve.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Excellent observations!
@nerfzombie6242
@nerfzombie6242 10 ай бұрын
Not to mention that A&E would not have even realized that eating the fruit would be sinful because they had not yet eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil! Wrap yer head around that! Even though God told them not to eat the fruit, A&E literally had no understanding that doing so would be "evil" BECAUSE they hadn't yet eaten it! What a mind fuck!
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
This is just silly
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
​@@nerfzombie6242 God in the story clearly did tell them not to eat from it. Therefore they did know good and evil before hand. The point is they would have first hand experience with doing the wrong thing. The serpent begiuled and tricked E by making her think she didnt already know the difference.
@nerfzombie6242
@nerfzombie6242 10 ай бұрын
@@proudcheerdad5220, no they didn’t. The tree WAS the knowledge of good and evil. You reading anything else into the text is a sin according to the Bible. If a toddler does something wrong and the parent corrects it, does the toddler then fully comprehend the meaning behind the correction, or does it fear the discipline? A&E were like said toddlers before the fruit.
@TheCriticalChristianPodcast
@TheCriticalChristianPodcast 11 ай бұрын
Lets not forget that there are multiple gods in the narrative. US is clearly a reference to other deities.
@mikelmacrichard4772
@mikelmacrichard4772 10 ай бұрын
It says "El'ohim" in Hebrew which is "Gods" Plural my Rabbi never could answer why we translate it God singular.
@outbackgearforu
@outbackgearforu 10 ай бұрын
Exactly Elohim is a council of god’s ,this is a story across cultures , you will also find mention of it at Psl 82:1. This is my take on it Elohim (the council) wanted to make man,Yahweh decided he wanted exclusivity and seized control of humanity through imposing law ,that humans accepted ,which put them under Yahweh’s authority ,that authority continues to this day by the preponderance of law that micro manages every human activity and is growing
@abrahamkoffi9922
@abrahamkoffi9922 10 ай бұрын
Elohim means the powerful ones. Even a judge is an eloha because he can judge people.
@epicofgilgamesh9964
@epicofgilgamesh9964 10 ай бұрын
​@outbackgearforu You are wrong unfortunately and unfamiliar with the scholarship.
@StevenFarthing
@StevenFarthing 10 ай бұрын
​@@mikelmacrichard4772 I assumed the word just meant divine beings. I thought the term for God was YAH as on haliluyah ( hail yah).
@celticbabs3105
@celticbabs3105 10 ай бұрын
And in the previous chapter where it describes creation and Adam's creation, God in his omniscience, didn't realize that his man should not be alone and should have a help mate then proceeded to create the wild animals of the earth and air and brought them before Adam. But he did not find a suitable helper among them. God expected Adam to choose a helper from the wild beasts! And when he saw that didn't do, because his crystal ball must have been broken, he made Adam fall asleep and created Eve from his rib. This really shows that the creation of woman was an afterthought and not a part of an original design/plan or she would have been made at the exact same time and in the same manner as Adam was created. And then in the very next chapter, she is blamed for the fall of mankind. Kind of a coincidence, don't you think? Create the character to put the blame on so the man can explain his patriarchal viewpoint and set it in stone by calling it the "infallible word of God." Eve was created for the purpose of damning all mankind (in the minds of the writers, not necessarily God). However, God did have a hand in it. Would a loving father put a toddler before a campfire, tell him not to touch it and walk away? Adam and Eve may have had the bodies of adults, but they were toddlers in intellect because they didn't know any better. How could they? They were as innocent as babies. And how could a TREE possess that much power? And if God was omniscient as they claim, didn't he foresee that this action would have such a devastating effect for all creation and wouldn't try to prevent it from happening? Why was the tree there to begin with? Why didn't he have angels protecting the tree so they couldn't reach it? All in all, this story is pure mythology borrowed from Mesopotamian texts that already existed at the time. And it reads like a great fantasy story too with all the cliche components.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
OMG such great observations. I need a follow-up video now
@celticbabs3105
@celticbabs3105 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone I have more! :) In Gen chapt 1 the animals were created before Adam was and in chpt 2 the animals were created *after* Adam. The first 2 chapters of the Bible doesn't agree with each other.
@lovelyandsmartcommentator5130
@lovelyandsmartcommentator5130 10 ай бұрын
Why were the animals....female and male were created together but Eve was created from Adam. This disparity screams PATERARCHY by turning woman into a supportive mate. How nice for the husband.
@grandzeweiterworth7628
@grandzeweiterworth7628 4 ай бұрын
Another note: it's not recorded that God spoke to EVE directly about the tree, only Adam. God told Adam before Eve was created.....so maybe if God told Eve directly it wouldn't have happened? Doubt it, but she also said "we can't touch it" and that wasn't recorded of God saying that either. So you know how we have game of telephone passing down a phrase and notice how it changes from person to person? Just so much wrong with the story...
@celticbabs3105
@celticbabs3105 4 ай бұрын
@@grandzeweiterworth7628I did notice that as well and by the way she said "We can't touch it" it's assumed Adam had told her. Which means God had set up the patriarchy at this point. He gave instructions to Adam and Adam had to pass the information down to Eve... sound familiar? By not treating her as an equal, do we wonder why Eve "rebelled"? I use the term in quotes because I don't see it as rebellion like the Church labels it at such. I see it as a natural curiosity and she was just being who God created her to be - with a brain and a spirit/soul that is not static and automatically obedient, but a living sentient being with a complex brain and emotional system that God put in place. Or did he not understand how all this works?
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
Concerning chapter 2 " for in the day you eat, you shall surely die" Multiple issues with this The text does NOT say "if you eat, you shall surely die" If you eat, says that he had a choice In the day you eat, says, you WILL eat As for the dying issue, that can be waved away in many ways......I tend to look at it that he repented Psychologically, a person trying to blame someone else, they will NOT add at the end "and I did this". Christianity says that Adam blamed Eve. Judaism says that he blamed god, "you gave her to be with me". I tend to key in on the last of it, "and I ate". If Adam were trying to blame someone else ... "The woman gave me the fruit" "You gave the woman to me, and she gave me fruit." In both cases, psychologically, if he were blaming them, he wouldn't have included "and I ate.". The fact that he added this, he is admitting that he did the crime. He is merely giving the entire truth. And thus, a concept of admitting and repenting However, this still begs the question, god would have known how Adam was going to respond since he is all knowing, and thus, god lied.....any way you twist it. But god lies all the time
@manueloliveira8062
@manueloliveira8062 10 ай бұрын
The origin of things is mostly unknown to all of us... this forces us to create myths & stories & religion to try explain the unrevealed. For me, Earth is a place where we come to learn & experience. If we were meant to know the origins it would be revealed to ALL. It is only revealed after we die... Enjoy the journey guys !!
@willievanstraaten1960
@willievanstraaten1960 10 ай бұрын
Well discussed and explained. New insight for me.
@katew.9402
@katew.9402 9 ай бұрын
The thing about Adam's immortality is really interesting. I grew up a Jehovah's Witness, and this was a crucially important point for their dogma: God had made Adam and Eve to be immortal, but they messed up, so their immortality was taken away. But after Armageddon, God will restore the world to its original intended state and make humans immortal again. But the story in Genesis really does not say that Adam and Eve were immortal. God threatens Adam saying "they day you eat the fruit, you will die". This does not imply that otherwise, Adam would never have died. (If I say to a person, "If you jump off that building, you will die", I'm not saying that the person would otherwise never die. They'll just die sooner than they would have otherwise.) It also does not imply that it was God's intention that Adam should never die. There is the puzzling Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden, which in the story provides immortality. But God did not command Adam to eat from it. In the story, it seems like God is leaving it up to chance whether Adam will actually eat from that tree. Given that the garden is full of good trees, Adam may never try that particular one.... There is really nothing in the story to uphold the idea that God wanted people to be immortal. Later authors of other Bible books, such as Paul in Romans 5, did interpret it that way ("one man brought sin into the world, and with sin came death"), but that was much later, and you only get their by adding some assumptions to the Genesis story that aren't in the text.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic commentary. I couldn't have said it better.
@user-uz24y37g
@user-uz24y37g 10 ай бұрын
You got right to it. Thank you.
@davidfitnesstech
@davidfitnesstech 10 ай бұрын
In this story, got told the *first-ever lie* and the serpent told the *first truth.*
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
yeah, the first lie is that heaven and earth came before sun and stars another lie is how old the earth is another lie is how old the universe is he is making these things look older than what they are.....so, every tree that showed the age of the earth as being older, all the sedimentary layers, all of the stars that are more than 6000 lightyears away, etc......all of these things are a trick that god made, that would convince scientists of a much older earth and even older universe and THEN, finally, god knew that he wasn't going to kill Adam, and knew that he wasn't going to let Adam die upon eating the fruit, and so, such was another lie
@grandzeweiterworth7628
@grandzeweiterworth7628 4 ай бұрын
​@@dragonhawkeclouse2264also don't forget the lie about sin creating death. Because every ant without sin dies, every tree without sin dies, every planet dies, every star will die someday etc. Also Honor your mother and father will live longer. Yet I've witnessed a lot of people who Honored their mother and father died young while the opposite lived longer
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 4 ай бұрын
@@grandzeweiterworth7628 beyond that...Genesis is not in chronological order.....Genesis 2 says that Adam and Eve were husband and wife.....?and the first thing they did was eat of the tree? No, they had sex. They had Cain and Abel while in the garden. And they brought an offering "at the end of days" which is a phrase to reference the end of the year....and Abel brought the first of his flock ...*it dead*.....death existed before the fall.....nowhere in Genesis does it say that death was introduced because of Adam To further that idea, Adam was NOT immortal until he ate of the tree....there was the tree of life as well which WOULD grant immortality, which is why he was kicked out at the end of chapter 3. He wasn't even kicked out for his sin, he was kicked out to prevent him from eating of the tree of life
@CitizensCommunity
@CitizensCommunity 10 ай бұрын
The denial of evolution by some religious adherents is a bewildering stance, especially given our triumphs in artificial intelligence and machine learning. In the world of computer science, we proudly wield the tools of evolution itself to train and refine our algorithms. Genetic algorithms, neural networks, and deep learning are rooted in the principles of natural selection, mutation, and adaptation. If evolution is merely a fantasy, then how do we explain the success of these methodologies that mimic nature's own processes? Are we programmers truly wizards? Or are we harnessing the very mechanisms that have shaped life itself? The acceptance of evolution isn't just a matter of scientific consensus; it's a seismic shift that shakes the very foundation of Christian theology. By acknowledging the evolutionary processes that shape life on our planet, we are forced to confront the unravelling of the story of Adam and Eve. No Adam and Eve, no original sin. No original sin, no need for redemption, no crucifixion, and no resurrection. The entire theological structure begins to collapse like a house of cards. We can't simultaneously embrace the tools of evolution in one breath and deny its existence in the next. The connection between biology and technology makes this cognitive dissonance all the more stark and indefensible. To deny evolution is to cling to a belief system that is rendered logically incoherent in the face of modern understanding. It's a refusal to see the world as it truly is, and an insistence on holding onto a myth that has been laid bare by science. Recognizing evolution doesn't merely challenge faith; it obliterates the very heart of Christian doctrine.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
They will be clinging to the Bible even after we've colonized Mars and discovered life on other planets. XDD
@mark.muffins
@mark.muffins 10 ай бұрын
What always got me was, out of all the planets in the universe (billions if not trillions), why would God choose as the location of Lucifer (who I was raised to believe was the serpent) earth. This whole fall of man thing could have been avoided if Lucifer was just separated from us.
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
Lucifer and the Fallen Angels were put on Earth to be the caretakers before the Garden was created. Something horribly went wrong, so God created Adam to keep an eye on Satan, but Eve came along, and Adam started simping for Eve, and, we know how that turned out.
@grandzeweiterworth7628
@grandzeweiterworth7628 4 ай бұрын
​@@visamanwhere did you get that information from?
@epicofgilgamesh9964
@epicofgilgamesh9964 10 ай бұрын
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Jews and* ***Arabs*** *Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* ("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.") *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."* (A UK-based study of ancient genomes finds ***Canaanites form over 90% of modern Lebanese ancestry, a trait they share with ancient Israelites)*** *"Ugarit - The Birthplace Of The Western Alphabet"* - Arab America *"Ugarit - New World Encyclopedia"* (Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or ***Elohim,*** a word ***later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity*** and translated into English as "God," in the singular. El, which was ***also the name of the God of Abraham,*** was described as an aged deity with white hair, seated on a throne.) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* (Read about Canaanite religion and El the chief or most high god of the Canaanite pantheon and the relationship of Canaanite religion to Israelite religion) *"In spite of their differences, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God - The Conversation"* *"6 Ways The Quran Has A Lot In Common With The Bible - All That's Interesting"* *"The Bible and Qur’an Are Very Similar Books | Griffin"* *"Walking by Moonlight: My Journey Out of Islam - The Ex-Muslim"* *"Why Islam is False - Atheist Republic"* *"Rebuttal to Shabir Ally : Its True! The Quran Borrowed Stories From Preexisting Sources"* *"Scientific Errors in the Quran - WikiIslam"*
@katew.9402
@katew.9402 9 ай бұрын
Excellent observations, thanks for the video!
@epicurhyss4014
@epicurhyss4014 10 ай бұрын
Excellent high quality content. I'm ever on the lookout for new voices in the non-belief community, and having had this counter-apologetic interest for over a decade, I've exhausted much of the established avenues on the topic and am not easily impressed. This is my first encounter with your channel, and I'm appreciating depth, quality, and quantity of your insights. I look forward to exploring more of your channel.
@davidfitnesstech
@davidfitnesstech 10 ай бұрын
*Very little* about *Christianity is original.* Large parts of it were taken from *previous stories and fables.*
@MrXDreamsOfficial
@MrXDreamsOfficial 10 ай бұрын
Great analysis! Never thought about the anachronisms during my deconstruction. What do you think about how god told Eve her pain in childbirth would become "much worse" despite the fact she had not yet had children, AND pain was supposedly not even a thing at the time?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I had a good friend bring that one up before I made my list but we concluded that it's possible that she witnessed an animal give birth so she might at least understand that she would have children also. But it's not entirely clear. It could certainly be an anachronism. Glad you noticed it. Most people do not XD
@MrXDreamsOfficial
@MrXDreamsOfficial 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Good point, lol
@MrXDreamsOfficial
@MrXDreamsOfficial 10 ай бұрын
Best of luck with your channel!
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
according to Judaism, Eve had already had children according to Judaism, the moment god brought Eve to Adam, they immediately went to the marriage bed, and, ACCORDING TO JUDAISM, 2 went in and 7 came out, Cain, Abel, and 3 girls according to Judaism, gestation was instant, so birth could happen immediately, and growing up was all rather quick, less than a day so, according to Judaism, Adam and Eve did infact have children BEFORE they ate of the tree
@MrXDreamsOfficial
@MrXDreamsOfficial 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 well wouldn't that mean several of the progenitors of humanity didn't inherit original sin according to that logic? Interesting idea
@jayhoppy2524
@jayhoppy2524 10 ай бұрын
Excellent, you're on KZfaq as well. Immediate follow!
@James-qo7uz
@James-qo7uz 10 ай бұрын
Point number 7 is interesting to me. I hadn’t heard the bit about people of an ancient time believing that descendants lived actually in the person’s seed. Where can more literature support for this belief be found? Where did you read this?
@jamesmcinnis208
@jamesmcinnis208 10 ай бұрын
"actually"
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I recommend the book "Reproduction: Antiquity to the Present Day". Also, Hebrews chapter 7 explains this believe quite well. In justifying why the Melchizedek priesthood is superior to the levitical priesthood, the author claims because all the Levites were still in Abraham's body even he gave an offering to Melchizedek, so by extension, the Levites gave an offering to Melchizedek also. The premise being that the lesser priest is the one that gives an offering to the highest priest.
@Tony-qt4mo
@Tony-qt4mo 10 ай бұрын
Just commenting for the algorithm to help you reach more people that need it
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
❤️
@Trollsagan69420
@Trollsagan69420 10 ай бұрын
The sword one is what I always puzzled over as a kid. Why on earth would God have weapons of war? And not just any weapons, a sword; which was the weapon of choice in that time period. Either way, if he wanted a weapon from the future why not add a flaming AK 47? It’s like, we don’t even need all the science to show this story is bunk.
@MultiCappie
@MultiCappie 10 ай бұрын
Sigmund Freud thought that the characters "Adam and Eve plus The Serpent" were actually "Akhenaten and his second wife Kiya plus the serpent was his first wife, Nefferttiti". The story was passed down through storytelling during the Bronze Age Collapse, and by the time it was put to paper (Second Century BCE) it had been distorted into its current form. I'm obsessed with the theory, but I don't see how one proves it. There are quite a few similarities between the historical narrative and the biblical one. The obvious difference being that rather than being the first humans, they were merely the first montheists.
@ancientflames
@ancientflames 10 ай бұрын
Fan fiction based on fan fiction. Lots of cool theories. The reality is we will likely never know fully the original as it was likely completely oral.
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 10 ай бұрын
*Meaning of “Bread”* It may be as much an assumption that words have inherent power and meaning as it is anachronism. In Genesis 1, nature, the universe, or *something* responds to the words of Elohim to form things from chaos and bring others into existence. Nice video. Thanks.
@art3misxp784
@art3misxp784 9 ай бұрын
Have you done a video on the resurrection of Jesus? If not, do you plan on making one in the future? (I’ve only watch two of your videos so far lol)
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 9 ай бұрын
I'm actually working on the harmony (or lack of harmony) of the empty tomb narratives. Stay tuned friend
@timothymulholland7905
@timothymulholland7905 9 ай бұрын
Way to go!
@BrianFedirko
@BrianFedirko 4 ай бұрын
It seems that God tries to trick Eve to lie, which she does not in exclaiming the serpent. Even if Gods words are "only" for effect of human writing, God still comes across to demonstrate ignorance with actions. Everybody is my people. Whatever is being done to somebody is being done to me. Religious thought is cold indifference to others. Gr8! Peace ☮💜
@roddychristodoulou9111
@roddychristodoulou9111 10 ай бұрын
One of the stories that helped me become an atheist is the story of Lilith who was the first woman created by God . If you are intrigued please look it up , it's a real roller coaster .
@brisadelcastillo2840
@brisadelcastillo2840 10 ай бұрын
"THE CRUCIFIX FISH TESTIFIES" Look it up
@roddychristodoulou9111
@roddychristodoulou9111 10 ай бұрын
It is well documented that the fish symbol is a vagina if you turn it to a vertical position . Not to make it so obvious the Jesus cult showed their symbol in a horizontal position . Yes Jesus was the leader of a sex cult which is why he was preaching free love .
@mreverybody1150
@mreverybody1150 7 ай бұрын
You've been deceived. Look at this from the perspective of a person that has seen miracles after inviting God into their life (I used to be a non believer). Ive even seen stuff from the Bible play out in real life after seeking help through prayer. Now consider what you just said....
@roddychristodoulou9111
@roddychristodoulou9111 7 ай бұрын
I deal in jackets and was so impressed by your reply I would love to send you a free jacket . Please send me your size and I will forward ASAP , oh by the way I deal in straight jackets , and by the looks of things you need one urgently . Stop this nonsense , God is man made and man is n fucking good , just look around you and stop beleiving what others tell you .
@bunyangabudistrict4569
@bunyangabudistrict4569 10 ай бұрын
We Africans are exempt from the curse because man migrated from here and moved to middle east to be CREATED by god and Jesus later came to Egypt!!!
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
the pre-Adamic race......rofl there is a theory of such
@john211murphy
@john211murphy 7 ай бұрын
The "Get out of Jail Free Card" that apologists play when discussing the issue of "On that day you shall die" is, 2 Peter 3:8-‘one day is like a thousand years as Adam died at age 930, he therefore died on the same day. They do this all the time. Defend the indefencable.
@sophibrumby9542
@sophibrumby9542 10 ай бұрын
Thankyou for talking about these points, I believe it is an important subject to observe the bible how it is, minus the Christian apologetics. I had not thought about god creating the first instrument of war..also did god create the context for domestic abuse of women by making women (generally) less strong than men so able to be overpowered and impregnated? Did god create toxic mushrooms and disease carrying insects at creation or were they specially thrown into the picture at the Curse for extra sadism?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
IDK about mushrooms but he definitely set women up for failure and hardship. I never thought about whether or not she became physically weaker at this point. I like that idea. I am going to think on that a bit.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
Immortality......Adam was only going to die WHEN he ate. If he never ate, he would have never died.....to say anything else is adding to the story. This does pose an issue concerning, preventing Adam from taking of the tree of life, but this can be waved away by saying that, he was going to prolong his life, so long as he had not eaten of the tree of knowledge
@dagg310
@dagg310 10 ай бұрын
also, the minute adam and eve sinned, why not start over right away? why wait? why wait for that one sin to corrupt all of his creation? and why did God wait so long to send Jesus?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Right. If god already knew the end game.... why not just do it right away.
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
Noah was the last direct descendant of Adam, and the only good person on Earth, so, God started over with Noah
@dagg310
@dagg310 10 ай бұрын
@@visaman and what did that solve? God started with Adam...failed....and then started over with Noah and that failed also? how did God not foresee that his plan for Noah would also fail since the bible says humans are naturally sinners to begin with. we are basically in the same boat now as we were before Noah's ark...pun intended !
@kentgent1567
@kentgent1567 10 ай бұрын
and though wilt surely die!..they did not know what death was!!
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Right!?!?!
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
Yes, they did after they ate the fruit. The Serpent told them that they wouldn't die.
@narcissistinjurygiver2932
@narcissistinjurygiver2932 4 ай бұрын
how would they know what clothes were unless they saw clothes on other people?
@Alreadyforgiven77777
@Alreadyforgiven77777 4 ай бұрын
Oh my
@jnielson1121
@jnielson1121 10 ай бұрын
Makes me think about Neil Gaiman's re-imagining of Genesis where it's more a sci-fi/fantasy scenario where God isn't automatically good or moral but has an agenda and power structure that Lucifer challenges for understandable reasons...
@MarlaPo
@MarlaPo 8 ай бұрын
Please upload your debates
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 8 ай бұрын
Is that something people on KZfaq would watch? I will if you think it's worth watching
@user-vb7nd2md3g
@user-vb7nd2md3g 22 күн бұрын
Facts ❤❤❤
@petruse8893
@petruse8893 8 ай бұрын
Keep on going,great presentation.Unfortunately, there's no way to convince a "true believer" that fables will remain fables. True believers "know" for a fact that you are confabulating.How do they know? Well,they read and study "their" Bible (King James edition,preferably) and as every soul living on this miserable planet ( flat,no doubt) it is a solid source of wisdom and facts.Just steer clear of the most fervent believers who might take upon themselves to implement a direct order from the merciful and loving creator.He can tell them to terminate the heretic and guarantee a free ticket to heaven and eternal bliss
@grandzeweiterworth7628
@grandzeweiterworth7628 4 ай бұрын
Why would they have even bothered eating to begin with? If they were without sin, they wouldn't have required food to survive, therefore wouldn't even need to eat anything at all (only afterwards were they told they would die). Nothing in that story makes sense. Adam and Eve were "supposedly" created perfect without sin, but they created it by disobeying. Yet God made the paradox of ALLOWING them to eat anything at all. We are exactly how we were created to be. No matter how much clothes we wear we are still naked underneath the clothes. It's like God being mad at us for being naked and making us wear clothes.
@ChazX
@ChazX 10 ай бұрын
It seen to me that if they didn't eat the fruit, learn godd and evil and be kicked out They may have never given birth to the rest of humanity
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
That is certainly a possibility.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
according to Judaism, Cain and Abel were born to them BEFORE the fall, as were other children......so, humanity would have gotten started
@hopsterlynongkhlaw8521
@hopsterlynongkhlaw8521 9 күн бұрын
Just ignore everything and live a good and sensible life that's all
@fatman957
@fatman957 9 ай бұрын
My question is i thought there was a female before Eve, i think her name was Elizabeth or something. Who was she and what happened to her.
@richardfoster2895
@richardfoster2895 10 ай бұрын
You touched on the point that Adam immediately knows how to farm, raise crops and domesticate animals. God taught him?? How about how to start a fire?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Right!?!
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
Adam lived 900 years, so he had a lot of time to learn. They didn't have to farm until after they were kicked out of the Garden.
@richardfoster2895
@richardfoster2895 10 ай бұрын
@@visaman How did they know how to feed themselves while they were learning to farm? How did they count the years? They didn't know what a year was. They wouldn't even know about seasons.
@randysherman7724
@randysherman7724 10 ай бұрын
My main perplexity from the storry of Adam & Eve is this: I never believed in any god from birth and hence am no bible scholor. However, I have learned folks say the bible says Adam's sons married women who were not their own sisters. How could this happen?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I am aware that some claim god created more people than just Adam and Eve but other than that, everyone I know is OK with the claim that all the children had to sleep with each other.
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
The Bible doesnt definitively say that God didnt create other people. It only says Adam and Eve were the first. Also it never says their wives werent their sisters. Both options are valid opinions to hold.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@proudcheerdad5220 the bible does NOT say that Adam and Eve were the first.....they were merely the first ones NAMED FOR THIS STORY
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@randysherman7724 the bible does not say where the wives come from. This issue comes down to how you want to interpret Genesis 1 through 5 there are people who say that man in chapter 1 IS Adam of chapter 2, consequentally 3, 4, and 5 as well....this has problems first off, at the end of chapter 1, EVERYTHING was very good, then comes chapter 2, and the 7th day, with NO MENTION of anything going badly. It seems that, AFTER the 7th day, Adam was made in chapter 2.....or, that Adam being placed in the garden didn't happen until the 8th day it is easier to take it that chapter 1 was a different group of humans, since there is a constant doubling of things created, in chapter 1, it stands to reason that humans would have multiples as well Judaism has no issue with gentiles engaging in incest, according to Judaism, it was ONLY ISRAELITES commanded against brother-sister incest.....and so, according to Judaism, Adam was from chapter 1, and when god brought Eve to Adam, they immediately went into the marriage bed, had sex, 2 went in, and 7 came out According to Judaism, the gestation and birth was instant and without pain....and the growing up into adulthood was also instant Adam and Eve went into the marriage bed, and Cain with a twin sister, as well as Abel with two twin sisters, they all came out of the marriage bed this led up to the idea of Cain, for some reason, wanted to marry one of Abel's sisters, and not his own. Now, you can go with this general idea, and even go with the idea of incest being wrong for everyone Cain is already a murderer, incest isn't all that bad of a thing comparatively. Take Cain who committed incest, and if he has a daughter, well, there is a wife for Seth.....so, you can work it that, through one act of incest by a murderer, by someone who is already a sinner, and now, Seth has a wife, and thus, all families can spread out However, it is more logical (even in this fictional universe), that chapter 1 man and woman was different from Adam and Eve
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 adam was alone tho. It was said explicitly in the story before Eve. It's a good reason to assume they were the first.
@_estecate_
@_estecate_ 10 ай бұрын
Bible only speaks from the starting point of humanity it gives you very little about the prior events to humanity only tells you that it was void of light and it was formless and god saw this and pretty much spoke light into existence and with light comes form . The part of the books that tell you about before and your connection to god are taken out and this all to keep you in your humanity so that you won’t ascend beyond it . Because the people I am referring to they know the truth and they know who we are! We are far more then we physically appear to be .
@TimeisReel
@TimeisReel Ай бұрын
1st Issue is..."A Talking Snake !!!" 2nd issue: Where did everyone else come from. Just two people ?? 3rd issue: Why would a All knowing, All Loving God allow Evil Period. Especially as a Parent. 4th issue: Aren't we Born from our...Mother ?
@TimeisReel
@TimeisReel Ай бұрын
The Truth of the Matter. Its impossible to know what this life is. No one knows where they were before they were Born, and no one has come back from being put in the Ground. So, I get it. The World can be so Bad believing in "something". Gives people hope But the truth is no one knows...
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@darrenstansbury4433
@darrenstansbury4433 10 ай бұрын
Eve sees nothing unusual about a talking snake.
@gigi9301
@gigi9301 10 ай бұрын
? Why would she. It's the 1st one she's ever seen
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
Not a snake, a serpent. Dinosaur.
@cathyallen3967
@cathyallen3967 10 ай бұрын
I agree with some of your points about the flaws in this myth, and its original inspiration being more positive Sumerian tree of life myths, however, regarding the seeds. Eve came from Adam's body. Every woman is born with a set number of eggs. Each month she releases one egg(seed) until menopause. Once an egg is fertilized by the male a unique combination of both of their genes are passed on to their offspring.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I do agree with that biology. What I'm suggesting though, is that the ancients had no idea eggs existed. They believed women were merely the soil for the seed.
@cathyallen3967
@cathyallen3967 10 ай бұрын
​@@Deconstruction_ZoneThe is true of the assyrian babylonians. But an older Egyptian myth speaks about the whole creation being born out of a cosmic egg.
@cathyallen3967
@cathyallen3967 10 ай бұрын
​​​​@@Deconstruction_Zone There is also the caduseus which appeared on a third dynasty sumerian cup that belonged to a king of Ur, which looks to me just like a strand of DNA which uses both male and female genes to create a new life. No human could have known the true significance of this symbol until to invention of the electron microscope. I think some myths reveal sacred knowledge that was passed down to us by the cosmic mind through dream imagery thousands of years before the human mind could fully grasp it. Instead we get childish literal interpretations of images whose original allegorical meanings and symbols were lost. But some of us have reconnected to this mind and things that were once hidden aren't a total mystery anymore. Thanks for listening and taking the time to reply. Have a good evening.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
@@cathyallen3967 Yea the cosmic egg was definitely a real mythology from Egyptian. A pretty wild one
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
according to ancient Judaism, it is even discussed in the Talmud, both man and woman have seed Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. HER SEED......hell christians use this to support the idea of a virgin birth because in their world view, women don't have seed Genesis 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. "thy seed" talking to Hagar women had seed....according to judaism, both the male seed and the female seed were needed to make a child.....technically, also god is needed, making him also a parent to every child
@macmac1022
@macmac1022 10 ай бұрын
I will state my problem with their idea of objective morality from god with socratic method. People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child? #3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
It's ok if god does evil because he makes the rules.... Yet morality is supposed to be absolute. Lol ok
@macmac1022
@macmac1022 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone >>It's ok if god does evil because he makes the rules.... Yet morality is supposed to be absolute. Lol ok"" Exactly. And what is crazy is that only less then 18% of christians will answer these questions honestly and less then 6% of muslims, while atheists and agnostics are nearly 100%. And I mean I push and push and push and keep hounding them to answer the simple moral questions, and they just will not do it. They cant talk about morals with me if I can answer simple moral questions they cannot. If I have 2 mechanics to chose from to fix my car and I ask simple car questions and one avoids them all and the other does not, who seems to have a better understanding of my car? I say the guy who can answer the questions. And here are some judge questions I made that less then 3% christians and muslims answer, added in some brainwashing questions to them implicate themselves as they avoid the questions all the time. #1 If you were brainwashed would you know it? #2 If someone said they had a test for brainwashing, would you want to take it? #3 If they then said, if you cannot answer these questions, that means your brainwashed, would you be giving it 100% effort to answer those questions? All criminals are caught red handed of murder 100% guilty and show no remorse. The judges always apply the perfect amount of punishment. All things being equal and for arguments sake. Now I will give an example. There are 4 judges and 10 guilty criminals. Judge #1 orders punishment for all 10 criminals and does not forgive without punishment a single one. Judge #2 forgives without punishment all 10 criminals. Judge #3 forgives without punishment 9 of them and punishes 1 of them. Judge #4 punishes 9 of them and forgives without punishment 1 of them. #4 Which judge is the most/maximally just? #5 Which judge is the most/maximally forgiving? #6 Is judge #3 either most/maximally forgiving or most just? #7 Is judge #4 most/maximally forgiving or most just? #8 Is it possible for any judge to be both most/maximally forgiving and most/maximally just? The brainwashing thing was from a short video by cross examined. They could not see how they hit every checkbox hard. "Bite stand for control over behavior, information, thoughts and emotions. Destructive mind control is when the overall effect of these 4 components promotes dependency and obedience to some leader or cause." "Mind control becomes destructive when it undermines a persona ability to think and act independently."" A Does christianity/islam effect how you feel and act? B Is hell not something to fear, aka a fear tactic? C Does it tell you to listen to it and dont listen to others? D Does it promote dependency and obedience to a leader? E Does it undermine your ability to think? A. Yes a belief system is going to effect how you feel and act. B. Hell is the biggest fear tactic ever, its like the scariest thing imaginable. C. It says listen to it and dont listen to other, by calling atheists fools and other religions wrong. Galileo comes to mind as someone speaking the truth, and the church trying to shut down the truth as a perfect example of this. And today I would say evolution is the same thing still happening. D. Its core message is about obedience and dependency on god, the ultimate leader. E. Just like galileo being right and evolution being right, these are denied because the ability to think has been compromised. As well, the fact I can only get 3% of christians and muslims to answer these 5 simple questions while atheists and agnostics are at 100% speaks towards this as well. I will even call it that if christians/muslims respond to this, most will avoid the questions. I feel that confident that I can even say this and am sure this will still happen. watch.
@gigi9301
@gigi9301 10 ай бұрын
I'm considering all angles here and hope God is taking a break from traps and tricks~ that last bible-thumper boyfriend was a Doozy, BTW! No,Yes, No, Yes, No
@statesman6379
@statesman6379 9 ай бұрын
Point 1: “The reason why the Serpent was able to deceive was because God designed him to do so.” That’s like arguing the reason mankind robs and kills is because God designed them to do so. God gave man freewill and didn’t make them robots. Adam and Eve had a choice to rebel or remain obedient. God was aware of everything that would take place. Christians were predestined for Christ before the world began according to the Bible (Eph. 1:4-6). Adam and Eve innately knew good. They didn’t know both good and evil until the fruit’s tree revealed it to them. God created all things and called everything good. We were made in His likeness and inherit understanding of good. Adam and Eve knew right from wrong. They knew it would be wrong to disobey God that’s why they hid when they sinned. Evil is different from wrong. The tree of knowledge of good and evil revealed to them what evil is. Evil is more than sin. Adam and Eve had an idea of sin, but they didn’t have an idea of evil. Point 2: God didn’t lie. The moment they ate from the forbidden fruit, they died spiritually. Not only that, but they also introduced death into the world and began the dying (aging process) process. Jesus sacrificed Himself so that our spirits would be redeemed and restore our spirits to life. Without Christ, everyone is spiritually dead. And the serpent lied, by the way. In Gen. 3:1, the serpent said, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’” God didn’t say this at all. In Gen. 2:16, God said, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil…” Satan added a restriction that God never placed. Satan wanted Eve to focus on the one tree God said she couldn’t have, instead of focusing on the many trees that God said she was free to eat from. Point 3: The curse added hardship to the toiling of the ground. Adam was given jobs: to till the garden and name the animals. There was joy in labor before the curse. Ask any blue collar worker if an 8 to 5 is all roses today. Point 4: You made this up. Adam’s sin introduced death into the world. Romans 5:12 says, “When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.” Romans 6:23 says, “The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Going back to God’s quote in Genesis 2:17, “But the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die.” God warned Adam and Eve that they would lose their mortality if they sinned. The Tree of Life is not the source of immortality. Death was not in the world before Adam sinned. Adam and Eve never ate from the Tree of Life. They only entered into death because they disobeyed God. Adam’s sin introduced both spiritual and physical death. Point 5: No no no…When God ever asks you a question, it is not for Him to gain information. When you find cookies missing from the cookie jar and confront your 3-year-old child, you might say something to the extent: “Were you in the kitchen this morning eating the cookies from the cookie jar?” That question is not intended for your education. You already know they were in the cookie jar that morning. Then you might say, “What is this thing you have done?” so that the child will self-reflect their infraction. Point 6: The passage you are quoting here is all prophecy. If you look closely enough, you’ll see that Jesus is also prophesied. They didn’t know who Jesus is at the time, yet God spoke of the future in advance. Secondly, Adam was born speaking. He had all original language and vocabulary innately instilled within him from day one. Adam and Eve skipped a lot of things. They never had to learn to walk, learn to speak, etc. They knew what bread was because it was part of their vocabulary. This answers your cherubim critique as well. Just 2 generations from Adam? Recall how long each generation lived in those days. The industrial age only took less than a century to become well established. Mankind lived for centuries in Adam’s day, and knowledge was instilled into mankind from the beginning, as I already pointed out. And by the way, Satan started the first war. Revelation 12:7-10 tells us that there was a battle in Heaven before mankind. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Satan) and his angels. Satan was cast down to Earth. There were angelic swords even before the garden of Eden. Point 7: Your last point is based on your unfounded world view. Science never trumps the Bible. Does science explain the source of consciousness? The Bible does. It teaches we are made up of body, soul, and spirit. Does science even have a logical explanation of the creation of anything? No, it says that nothing created everything. Evolution cannot create gender because evolution cannot create in pairs. Where did gender come from? Where did the information of DNA come from? Real science has a law: conservation of mass and conservation of energy, which both state that nothing cannot create something. A Big Bang of nothingness cannot create something. It can never create information. Extra Point: You keep quoting nonbiblical stories. Non-biblical stories only affirms the Genesis account. If all people derived from Noah, Noah shared the preflood history with his children, who had descendants and spread throughout the Earth. These tribes that spread out would pass down history orally. Naturally the nonbiblical stories would have parallel features that mimic the true Genesis account of the history of mankind. The Bible didn’t come from those stories; it’s the other way around.
@davidfitnesstech
@davidfitnesstech 10 ай бұрын
Enjoy your channel. Do you mean to say that a *Bible story and fable* got *the natural world wrong !?* I am shocked and appalled ;-)
@Golfiseasy
@Golfiseasy 10 ай бұрын
What God was saying was that if the man that sined ate of the tree of life they would live for ever. You must remember they ate of the tree and were spiritually dead that same day and were going to die later of old age. So God was talking from that point of view. The point of view of after the fall. What God meant was now that they had sinned and were going to die he didn't want them to eat of the free of life and live for ever in there fallen state.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
It's like you didn't even watch the video. Do you know what a definite article is?
@schaekker7411
@schaekker7411 10 ай бұрын
you literally contradicted not only the bible . . . . . but yourself ,, problem is . . . . . i think you lack sufficient self-awareness to comprehend
@rejimonteverde
@rejimonteverde 10 ай бұрын
They were mortals bcos they did not eat the tree of life so they will still die
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@golfiseasy if you have to add a bunch of crap to the text to make it all make sense, then god is actually TRYING to cause confusion. If i need context, that GOD HIMSELF isn't giving, he is trying to confuse people your god is a god of confusion, chaos, and death he DIRECTLY causes confusion, which in turn causes chaos,....plus, he made sacrifice the way to atone for sin,....without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sin, this is barbaric, and indicative of a god of death, not a god of life to have eternal life, i have to die first.......that is NOT eternal life, that is eternal death life is life, death is, NOT ALIVE. if i am NOT ALIVE, than i am DEAD.....your god only offers eternal death....he is a god of death, which is why he demands death
@Alreadyforgiven77777
@Alreadyforgiven77777 4 ай бұрын
How did I end up here
@AUPackmule
@AUPackmule 10 ай бұрын
For # 7 just think of seed as DNA. They didn’t know DNA back then and if you talk to Drs that know DNA you DNA can be traced back to our ancestors. In addition DNA can be damaged due to a traumatic experience. That is my understanding but you are entitled to call it seed.
@user-wc1qh7nr5p
@user-wc1qh7nr5p 10 ай бұрын
Yes, Seeds, Spermatozoids, Ovules, Genetics, DNA Inheritance... expressed with the words of ancient people: SEEDS!
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Women don't have seeds on the Bible though. They are receptacles for the seeds
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone ya know, i posted this once already, and i am starting to think that you are having a complex, because alot of my posts keep disappear, almost like they are being deleted, because they strongly disagree with you Genesis supports the idea of women having seed the seed of the woman is referenced concerning Eve and the serpent and the seed of Hagar is referenced concerning Ishmael you aren't scared of my posts are you? You wouldn't be deleting them would you? Because that would be showing me that you really can't hold your own against the passages that i am presenting
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
God did NOT tell Adam and Eve about a sword. All of this being said was said as narration, supposedly, by god to Moses. This was NOT an oral tradition passed down from Adam to Seth, to Enosh and on and on. God supposedly told all of this to Moses.....which has its own problems The bread bit, I can agree with you on
@austindavid7155
@austindavid7155 10 ай бұрын
Awesome video! Some clarifications to Issue 5, where God seems limited in his abilities, and you mentioned his omniscience.. 'Omniscience' is actually a Greek metaphysical attribute that comes from Platonism, a kind of Greek philosophy. The idea that God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, simple, and other attributes is not actually found in the bible. Christians actually steal those attributes from Platonism in order to make their case for traditional Christianity, a massive intellectual embarrassment. The actual god of the bible Yahweh, is a finite, personal demiurge that actually does have limited abilities. At the end of the day God is still more powerful and intelligent than the rest of us, but not all-powerful or all-knowing. He's more a cosmic super-hero.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Oh, I definitely agree on this matter. The god of the OT did not fit the mold of Greek thought that we see in the NT.
@_estecate_
@_estecate_ 10 ай бұрын
For god to always be with you and in heaven at the same time would make god omnipresent .
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@_estecate_ so, what you are saying, is that there would have to be a reference of, where god is not. And in that manner, god is NOT omnipresent cool Deuteronomy 1:24 And the Lord said to me, "Say to them, 'Neither go up nor fight, for I am not among you, lest you be struck down before your enemies.' " god is not omnipresent neither is he all knowing Genesis 2:19 And the Lord God formed from the earth every beast of the field and every fowl of the heavens, and He brought [it] to man to see what he would call it, and whatever the man called each living thing, that was its name this is the only real passage that presents man having freewill, and that, the freewill is a blindspot for God, as it says "and He brought [it] to man to see what he would call it,".....according to this, god did NOT know what man was going to call the animals all of the sudden, not omniscient not omniscient, and not omnipresent you want me to go further and get rid of all of the omnis?
@_estecate_
@_estecate_ 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 I never said what you said I said that’s what you said I said lol . I didn’t say that . I said what I said i mean it’s all there . And where do you get the notion that god is only positive ? You’re looking at god from a human perspective you see god as some being outside of self controlling everything when god is consciousness . Consciousness is the only thing that can operate within everything all at one time making consciousness itself omnipresent . Just as loving and caring god can be god can be twice as viscous. And what you must first innerstand is that the Bible is put together by humans . And more specifically artificial humans , real humans are the Hue-mans . Who based their information off of an already existing source from the schools of knowledge and wisdom of kemet . Hence why there are stories taken out of the Bible ? So you saying that because those scriptures you quoted that can’t make god omnipresent what you need to innerstand is that the people who wrote the book your quoting from is watered down information from the original source in the first place . The Greeks stole from Egypt it’s called the stolen legacy . Just like they steal everything else . Ikno the real stories the ones that aren’t tampered with because it’s literally in my dna . The books are within . And ikno the real eternal god within me .
@_estecate_
@_estecate_ 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 you aren’t really getting rid of anything you’re only making yourself look foolish honestly lol .
@johnknight3529
@johnknight3529 10 ай бұрын
I can but agree that the version of the events which most people (including most "preachers" as far as I can tell) believe and parrot about what happened in the garden has "glaring issues". And I believe this is because they don't apply even basic logical thinking to what the Book actually says. The "talking snake" bit, for instance, is to me just as silly as it sounds, because I bothered to check what the original Hebrew word that is substituted with the term 'serpent' is. It's a term that meant "to hiss". Anyone who whispers is hissing (try it, you'll see). What I believe God was warning A and E about is believing what they imagined, as if their imaginations were a reliable source of truth. No different really than when a parent tells a small child not to be believe there's a monster in the closet just because their mind can "see" one lurking in there. Obviously, our minds can trick us into believing all sorts of untrue things if we don't realize that what we can see in our minds is not reality. So yes, they were "set up to fail", sometimes, when God gave them imaginations. As we all are when we are born with one. But what's the alternative? The being whispering to Eve that she could be like God if she merely trusted her imagination, was lying, and Eve was too naive to realize it was. And instead believed God had lied to her about it, because He didn't want them to be like Him. And the rest is history, so to speak ; )
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
It's been my experience that most pastors today are untrained, uneducated, and shouldn't be in a role where they are allowed to teach anything from the Bible. We need mandatory educational requirements for church leaders just like we do for lawyers and doctors.
@Palimbacchius
@Palimbacchius 10 ай бұрын
I'm afraid not. KJV 'serpent' translates Hebrew 'naghash' (transliterations vary), which means 'snake'.
@johnknight3529
@johnknight3529 10 ай бұрын
@@Palimbacchius - The Hebrew term for snake incorporates a "primate root" word that means "to hiss". The hissing aspect is essentially "built into" the word for snake. There are less that 9,000 different Hebrew words in the Book, so the context a given word is used in needs to be taken into account. Even today, with well over a hundred thousand (English) words at our disposal, we still use the term 'snake' to describe "beings" that are clearly not actual reptiles that slither along on their bellies. (As in; human beings ; )
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
Another possibility is that the tree of life is something that needs to be eaten of everyday
@jonnaking3054
@jonnaking3054 10 ай бұрын
yes when we're dealing with a God who can supposedly do ANYTHING, creating a sword out of metal before.metal was created would just be a little too much lol
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I think maybe you missed the point. The point is that swords didn't exist yet. There is no question about whether or not a sky god could create one. The question is why did he create the first weapon of war and seemingly demonstrate to man what it is used for.
@russell311000
@russell311000 10 ай бұрын
Good content. I guess the first man and woman knew how to make bread.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Right! 😂
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
Well yeah they were created as adults and God gave them the knowledge to survive. There's no reason to assume they werent created knowing how to do things.
@gigi9301
@gigi9301 10 ай бұрын
@@proudcheerdad5220 What were their IQ's? 100 even, correct?
@ernestschroeder9762
@ernestschroeder9762 10 ай бұрын
There's god, the serpent, Adam and eve, who's shirley?
@astdryden
@astdryden 10 ай бұрын
We tell our children who do not touch certain things in the kitchen because they need to learn..... One thousand years is one day to the most this is why no one ever live to be one day to father they died within the Thousand-Year.....
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
i am going to assume that you are a believer, because of presenting the 1000 years as one day......and all the rest of what you typed is so HORRIBLY confusing, i can't tell for certain according to the way the bible is translated, you're right, no one lived to be 1000 however, sorry to tell you, those ages are based upon poor interpretation 14399 since Adam 8189 since the flood i also know how long Adam was actually in the garden there were more than a couple people living to be more than 1000 years.....when dealing with the ages of people in chapter 5 and 11, you HAVE to interpret when translating the ages. And there are proofs to say that the current translations are not correct.
@astdryden
@astdryden 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 you have a lot to learn...... before the flood people live to be over 900 years old later the Father said from now on 120 years mix for man kind......1'000 is one day to the Father......oh and it's not confusing to those who understand.....if you have any questions just ask me....the ages are not based on interpretation you would need the true Yahbrew "not Hebrew" books before the translations.....I have done the time line.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@astdryden i know the texts PROBABLY better than you the 120 years had to do with 120 before sending the flood, not at what age man would be limitted to and i can go through the entire list by memory, of how old each person was before they begat a child, and all the days of their lives here is something that i am betting you don't know, Genesis 11, from Shem to Abram, only Terah's complete age is given, bet you didn't know that I wrote the text MANY times, i'm a sofar i have an extensive background in the Torah, both from a christian perspective, AND from a Jewish perspective....i know it better than you further more, the 1000 years as a day, is firstly said poetically Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. this does NOT say 1000 years is as a day to god, that comes from the new testament is it a day, or a watch in the night, which is a 4 hour watch?
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 5 ай бұрын
@@astdryden i would say, i don't have a lot to learn, as i had already learned all of that GARBAGE a long time ago now, i have heard this yahbrew concept before, and, where is such a text? NO WHERE, because such the language does NOT exist also, as for your claim of "it's not confusing to those who understand".....provided that we are talking about someone who actually DOES understand.....OBVIOUSLY. The issue is that not everyone does, and "god" chose to use words that can be translated multiple ways, causing there to be multiple translations that disagree with one another, and thus, causing confusion astryden....everyone thinks that they understand the text and no one else does.....you are no different than then next joe schmo who claims to be the insightful teacher or messiah, when in reality, you know nothing
@wangobadankas4038
@wangobadankas4038 10 ай бұрын
The story stinks to high heaven.
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 10 ай бұрын
Attacking the first chapters of Genesis by science is a category confusion. Trying to support the first chapters of Genesis by science is a category confusion. Different types of knowledge with differing methodological assumptions.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
NT theology requires the Adam and Eve narrative to be true and fact based.
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone That is assuming that Jewish people of the first century, including most of the NT writers, used scriptures the same way post-Enlightenment people have, in a rationalistic, academic manner. That is an assumption that is debatable among textual scholars looking at antiquity. Going back to the older texts on which the Torah is based makes the assumption even more debatable.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
the Talmud confirms that Judaism took Genesis literally. i don't know if i understand your point
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 As a revelation from God. It should be taken literally as a gift that is for our good, given in a way that hearers might understand. But the words themselves are sparse and do not contain details and explanations as a scientific explanation would require. "Let the waters swarm...", "Let the earth bring forth..." What do those words mean in actuality? How were creatures brought forth? Details that scientific understanding would ask are not given. It is a different category of pronouncement. It is not an attempt to satisfy human appetite for knowledge. It is a declaration that the earth and everything in it, including man, is the Creator's work. As such, it is the inner meaning that is important, with the details giving only glimpses at the events. Nor do the words explain how the revelation was passed on. Word for word? Or in vision, with the recipient interpreting? Passed down orally and later copied? We don't know the specifics. Science, on the other hand, by its own method will of course come up with a different type of explanation. restricted to a naturalistic mode of inquiry. The divine or miracles cannot be part of the explanatory framework. It is a different category than that of divine revelation, originated to serve a different purpose. We mustn't forget, no human being we know, be they rabbi or scientist or Christian apologist, was actually there at the beginning. The meaning we take from any explanation will depend on each person's current understanding of reality, which arises from personal experience. We should thus hold whatever we claim as 'fact' with humility, Because 'fact' is an explanation, not the that which is.
@debrawehrly6900
@debrawehrly6900 10 ай бұрын
Why did God do that? Was it a test?
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
couldn't have been a test, god already knew what would happen, he is suppose to be all knowing. Adam and Eve were examples...they did exactly what god wanted them to do, they failed a simple command....sadly, since god knew ahead of time that they would fail, god is really the one at fault, to say nothing of the fact that he lied to them, telling Adam that he would die the same day, KNOWING that he was NOT going to....so, god lied, and the serpent told the truth
@JoeHinojosa-bd9hu
@JoeHinojosa-bd9hu 10 ай бұрын
I'm having problems defending a 6000yr old universe..........
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Yea, I assume it's because it's billions of years old 🤣
@JoeHinojosa-bd9hu
@JoeHinojosa-bd9hu 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone Ever play a video game where the characters look Older and mature?
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
yeah, it is older than 6000....according to the Hebrew, the flood was about 10000 years ago, if you know what you are reading, but even that is wrong. for all EVIDENCE, the universe is 13.7 billion years old which would mean that god is a trickster god, like Loki, he is intentionally placing evidence that makes the universe look 13.7 billion years old, and that is the figure that science goes with since that is what the evidence says
@henryschmit3340
@henryschmit3340 10 ай бұрын
Eve was deceived, but Adam wasn't. He knew better.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
You can't "know better" if you don't know what good and bad is.
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
​@@Deconstruction_Zonethey already knew about good and evil, right and wrong. God told Adam don't eat of the tree. Therefore, Adam already knew it was wrong to eat of it. Its really simple
@henryschmit3340
@henryschmit3340 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone You don't have to know what good and bad is to follow directions from your Creator. You just follow His directions.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@henryschmit3340 take the story for what it says Adam, while alone, was told not to eat of the tree later, Eve is made (who was NOT commanded against eating the tree), someone told her the command, maybe god, maybe Adam.....but it doesn't matter, because she CHANGED the command, to include not touching it I can easily see god coming to Eve and saying, "i have commanded Adam, 'do not eat of the tree of knowledge'." or, Adam tells Eve, "i have been commanded to not eat of the tree of knowledge" Eve assumes this applies to her as well, and then adds the part about not touching it God asks Adam, did you eat? God asks Eve, what have you done? He didn't ask, did you really eat? He didn't ask, did you give Adam the fruit? He asked, what have you done? She changed the commandment to include her, changed it to include the no touching, she ate a fruit that she WAS allowed to, but then gave it to her husband.....she wanted Adam to listen to her, rather than god. She wanted to rule over Adam, to be the one telling Adam what to do. Her crime wasn't eating, her crime was specifically, getting Adam to listen to her instead of god....hence god punished her with the concept of Adam ruling over her Eve wasn't deceived by the serpent....she was deceived by whoever lead her to believe that she was under the same command, AND deceived by whoever lead her to believe that she couldn't even touch it.....even if that person was her. she was told the truth by the serpent, that she wouldn't die furthermore, only Adam was kicked out of the garden, only Adam was prevented from taking of the tree of life.....yet again, Eve fell into the same issue, believing that this applied to her as well God deceived, the serpent told the truth Eve could have eaten of the tree of knowledge, with ZERO repercussions, so long as she didn't give the fruit to her husband also....no harm done her crime was getting her husband to listen to her.....ruling over her husband.....god even said as such, your desire is toward your husband, but (instead) he will rule over you. Her crime was, trying to be a god to Adam
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 thats an interesting interpretagion. Ive heard similar things but not exactly all of what you say. There was a lot mentioned and fun to read
@user-wo8lo9kz7v
@user-wo8lo9kz7v 10 ай бұрын
You wouldn't die you would still be A spirit. Do spirits die ?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
That's not in the story.
@user-wo8lo9kz7v
@user-wo8lo9kz7v 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone So ... ? No on the (image of God) than ?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
@@user-wo8lo9kz7v Being in the "likeness" or "image" of someone in the ancient near east just means of similar appearance or physical form. I don't know of any biblical or extra biblical text that uses this to mean spiritual or immaterial. The same word is used to describe idols in the OT and elsewhere. We know the biblical authors didn't think idols were spiritual or immortal.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
if you are talking about the idea of a soul, then yes, according to Judaism, and quite literally, Deuteronomy, the soul can not only die, but be killed by another human Judaism furthers the idea and says that the Messiah will reign for 1000 or 7000 years, i forget which, but after that, everything, including all souls, will return to a state of nothingness, and god will close that chapter, with no one remaining
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 10 ай бұрын
#6 Yahweh Elohim and Adam looked over the animals as possible mates for Adam and when none of them pleased him, *then* Yahweh ripped Adam’s rib out to form Eve.
@Golfiseasy
@Golfiseasy 10 ай бұрын
He said you shall eat bread because if you remember people use the term bread as a term for food. Moses is the one that wrote it so by that time the term was probably already in uses. So when God said that he meant food. You are making another problem out of nothing.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Actually, you just haven't thought about this passage enough. Lechem can be used idiomatically to mean food. However, nearly 3/4 of the time it refers literally to bread. So you can't just make it idiomatic because you want to. And how do I know it's literally bread in this passage? Because god has already listed other crops of the field before he mentioned bread and because it was specifically connected to the toil of the ground which was done for grain..... To make bread. Also, Moses didn't write it. He most likely didn't even exist. Just assuming atheists haven't studied the text is a common mistake I see with apologists.
@yep_2431
@yep_2431 10 ай бұрын
Here's a mind teaser for you. You walking through a field and see a completely naked dead person. You immediately recognize them as Adam. How did you do it? You could do it with Eve too either one.
@lynnhightower7413
@lynnhightower7413 10 ай бұрын
No belly button.
@yep_2431
@yep_2431 10 ай бұрын
@@lynnhightower7413 bingo! Maybe everyone's heard this one already😂
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Pretty classic.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
yeah, but i pretty much take the stance that both Adam and Eve had belly buttons before Eve was made, no belly button.....but god closed up the flesh on Adam, and had to have closed up the flesh on Eve was enough of the inner body parts were there the belly button was the first scar of humans, on both Adam and Eve, a remnant of them being separated
@gigi9301
@gigi9301 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 If Adam was 1st, how would he possess a belly button? Are you saying he was not actually 1st? Kind of 1st?
@billyjenkjr
@billyjenkjr 3 ай бұрын
Justin you don't make any sense. Go get help.... Clown 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 2 ай бұрын
🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼
@billyjenkjr
@billyjenkjr 2 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone your misleading alot of people.🤡🤡🤡
@ianalan4367
@ianalan4367 10 ай бұрын
@ :30 you state “I would imagine”. That right there is the problem. You are imagining a meaning when the meaning has already been established. It may be unintentional but this is a sand man argument at best. Adam & Eve was not set up. Not in the Apostolic Christian view. As we are talking about the religion of Jesus Christ that is important. The proclamation is that God created mankind to dwell in His love. He then created us with free will for we cannot love something without the freedom to make that choice. The serpent was temptation to love and glorify one’s self instead of God and each other. We don’t know whether the seventh was speaking audibly or if the serpent was Eve’s thoughts. Either way the lesson of the story remains the same. You realize Genesis is an allegory?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Oh so you're suggesting he created the serpent to be cunning by accident? He didn't mean for the serpent to be crafty? I already addressed the Genesis allegory theory. Watch the video. NT theology requires it to be literal. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsqBnLBqv8ump30.htmlsi=CJcLzHnWI2kdTqjO
@StevenFarthing
@StevenFarthing 4 ай бұрын
The glaring issue is that you are reading this Jewish ancient foundational myth from a Christian doctrinal and dogma lens. The second glaring issue is that you are even bothered by the myth.
@charlesbadrock
@charlesbadrock 9 ай бұрын
Because it's based on World Mythology
@ambersummer2685
@ambersummer2685 10 ай бұрын
Also keep in mind, when God was finished creating mankind he said it was good so he wanted Adam and Eve to not know right from wrong,
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
It kinda seems that way. If they were good when they were created then it would follow that any change to that state would be bad.
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
Adam and Eve did know right from wrong. They were told to not eat of a certain tree and therefore knew it was wrong to do so.
@ambersummer2685
@ambersummer2685 10 ай бұрын
@@proudcheerdad5220 True and in that case they would have been disobedient but that was the only way otherwise other right’s and wrong’s, they would have never known of. Just like if you tell a toddler one particular thing is bad for them to do but they won’t know what else is wrong to do. I know Adam and Eve are ideal fully developed adults but they would be innocent or ignorant of right in wrong as a young child would. They still had no knowledge of evil.
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
@@ambersummer2685 no first hand experience of commiting it, but they still know what it is.
@ambersummer2685
@ambersummer2685 10 ай бұрын
@@proudcheerdad5220 Well yeah specially not eating the fruit.
@holotrout
@holotrout 10 ай бұрын
God didn’t know where the serpent came from he just knew it came from earth correct?
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
According it the text, it seems like a purposeful creation by god. "Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made.".
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
God knew where the serpent came from it explicitly said God created the serpent.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
neither The_Deconstruction_Zone, nor proudcheerdad5220, knows what they are talking about. "Now the serpent was cunning, more than all the beasts of the field that the Lord God had made," This does NOT say the Lord God made the serpent, it merely says that a serpent existed, and it was more cunning than all of the beasts the Lord God made. It does NOT say the Lord God made the serpent there is NOTHING in scripture that "explicitly" says that god created the serpent. Infact, if you actually consider Genesis 1, in its original language, you will ULTIMATELY HAVE to conclude that there are things which god did NOT create Genesis 1:11 And God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, seed yielding herbs and FRUIT TREES PRODUCING FRUIT according to its kind in which its seed is found, on the earth," and it was so. FRUIT TREE PRODUCING FRUIT...this is a word for word literal translation from the hebrew. So, what is a "fruit tree"....you are thinking in english. In Hebrew, the adjective comes AFTER the noun.....a "fruit tree" is a FRUIT in the shape of a tree, not a tree that has fruit on it. And this is even supported by Judaism, this is the proper understanding And verse 11 says, "and it WAS so"...this happened....full stop Genesis 1:12 And the earth gave forth vegetation, seed yielding herbs according to its kind, and TREE PRODUCING FRUIT, in which its seed is found, according to its kind, and God saw that it was good. TREE PRODUCING FRUIT...this is a word for word literal translation from the hebrew. THIS is a tree as you think of it, producing fruit. And at the end of this verse, "and God saw that it was good" Verse 11, god brought something into existence Verse 12, the earth added to god's creation, without god's authority, and god still saw it as good. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was NOT a "fruit tree", it was a "tree", which tells you where the tree of knowledge came from But this concept happens constantly through chapter 1 Verse 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kind, cattle and creeping things and the beasts of the earth according to their kind," and it was so. AND IT WAS SO!!! This happened Verse 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kind and the cattle according to their kind, and all the creeping things of the ground according to their kind, and God saw that it was good. This happened after verse 24 the earth brought things forth, then god specifically made additional creatures.....and since we can understand from the tree of knowledge, being something that the earth brought forth, and it was bad, we can also assume that any creature that the earth brings forth is "unclean".....and that god brought forth the clean animals the earth produced the serpent, not god
@proudcheerdad5220
@proudcheerdad5220 10 ай бұрын
@@dragonhawkeclouse2264 the earth did not create the serpent by your logic it didn't explocitly say so.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@proudcheerdad5220 i am getting tired of posting this, i have posted it 3 times already, this makes 4, and someone keeps deleting it, because they don't like it by my logic, the earth DID create the serpent......as the text does not say explicitly "the earth formed the serpent", the text comes close enough Judaism says that the earth brought forth plant life, of its own accord god told the earth to bring forth animals, and the verse ends, "and it was so" then, the next verse says that god created animals the earth created animals, most likely the unclean ones god created animals, most likely the clean ones but Judaism does support the earth creating things, and even going against god, and creating things that weren't commanded
@Golfiseasy
@Golfiseasy 10 ай бұрын
He knew where they were he was just saying that like when you ask your kid if they ate the cake when you know it was them that did. We do that our selves all the time. You know that is not a problem.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I swear you have the most predictable rebuttals. I had this conversation when I was 14. Do better. If he knew where they were and what they had done, he wouldn't have said "what is this thing you've done?" After Adam shifts the blame to her. Moreover, this is only one of many times in Genesis where god is no all knowing or omnipresent. He literally had to "go down" to see the tower. He had to actually visit sodom to verify the outcry was legitimate. He doesn't actually know if Abraham is truly faithful until after the near-sacrifice of Isaac. There are entire volumes written in the limited nature of god in Genesis and other early portions of the Torah. Do everyone a favor, go read something academic on this topic.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone i actually have to agree with golfiseasy in this case, concerning god asking where adam is HOWEVER Genesis 2:19 And the Lord God formed from the earth every beast of the field and every fowl of the heavens, and He brought [it] to man to see what he would call it, and whatever the man called each living thing, that was its name there is no way around this one......this one is CLEARLY presenting that god didn't know what Adam was going to name these animals.......this is also the only passage i have found that clearly indicates some level of freewill that Adam had according to this passage, god CLEARLY was NOT omniscient.
@adriantepesut
@adriantepesut 10 ай бұрын
1. Yes, God set things up a certain way. That is not an issue. It’s his creation 2. metaphors often involve language that out of context can only mean one thing. “He’s a pig” does not mean he is a literal pig even though out of context a pig can only mean one thing. However, the spiritual death experienced by Adam and Eve is also pretty literal if you believe in the existence of souls and the consequences of the sins they inevitably commit after being given knowledge. The serpent was only partially right as though Adam and Eve now know good and evil it’s absurd to say they are like God 3 clearly toiling in the garden with unlimited food is better than toiling the earth which God curses to be even more difficult to work than it is now 4 Jesus is the tree of life. He’s often compared to things like living water, bread, things that give eternal life. It does not say that God himself relies on this tree for his immortality. Immortality is also not only “the only thing” that distinguishes God from man as God offers immortality to all that believe on his son like in John 3:16. 5. People ask questions to which they know the answer all the time. Calling out to Adam does not mean he didn’t know where he was. Parents sometimes let there kids admit to things which they already know their kids did. 6. This is honestly the weakest one imo. It’s another example of us trying to impose our modern sense of morality on an omnipotent omniscient creator of the universe. I understand you don’t believe in said deity but the fact that our culture has a very hypocritically negative attitude towards any kind of violence doesn’t indicate any flaw in the internal consistency of Genesis 7. The Christian belief in the very concept of sin is predicated on belief in God and the Bible itself. So spiritual filth and impurity are a non-falsifiable phenomenon that we believe because faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God, that is, from divine revelation which you may accept or reject but which again is not a “glaring issue” in Genesis. It just highlights the difference between scientifically-verifiable beliefs and religious ones. The stronger arguments against the Bible which use science try to establish a more concrete contradiction between what we have discovered through scientific investigation and what the Bible say about physically observable phenomena
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
so, in your point of “He’s a pig” does not mean he is a literal pig let me break this down are you actually saying that, reading the entire episode, is still out of context? Here you have an all powerful being, transmitting his word to mankind, and he is so limited in mind and ability that he can't make the text easy to understand this all powerful being has to resort using metaphors, which people won't understand later (that is directly CAUSING confusion) God either means what he says, or he doesn't......if ANYTHING needs "interpretation", then god is DIRECTLY CAUSING confusion there is NOTHING in context, that would indicate a "spiritual death", that is nothing more than YOU doing mental gymnastics to make the text make sense for your theology there is better context to claim that Adam repented, and thus, god forgave him, and thus, let him live. But even if that is case, god still lied, because he already KNEW that he would forgive Adam in your case, not only did he lie, but then, lied to all of mankind in your case, god directly tells Adam of a PHYSICAL DEATH, which can only be READ as a physical death for all time. Yet, supposedly, Adam suffered a spiritual death God, being all knowing, KNOWS that humanity today reads it that way, and so, not only is this a lie, but, if it IS a spiritual death, then god is OUTRIGHTLY CAUSING confusion, and thus, he is a god of confusion if words mean something different than what they say, yet does not explain this, GOD is the one DIRECTLY CAUSING the confusion people like you annoy me SPECIFICALLY because, you have god doing very confusing things, yet try to claim that he isn't causing confusion if god made the earth look billions of years old when it is only 6000 years old if god made the universe to look tens of billions of years old when it is only 6000 years old if god records him as saying things that he doesn't literally mean (KNOWING that any other generation will NOT HAVE the proper context) if god does any of that, than he is outrightly CAUSING confusion. The universe and all its glory does NOT speak to the greatness of god, because for everything that we can point to, IT SHOWS A UNIVERSE billions of years old....and only some dusty book claims it to be younger you want special pleading when it comes to your beliefs.....and sorry, NO
@Golfiseasy
@Golfiseasy 10 ай бұрын
They did die they died spiritually. That was what God was talking about, not physically Just because you do not agree with God's logic doesn't mean you are right and God was wrong.
@wertolfwarrenheimer3794
@wertolfwarrenheimer3794 10 ай бұрын
God failed to specify the kind of death. And reading this passage would lead one to believe he meant physical death. Also, why ever the hell did he put the tree in the garden? He is God so he would have known what was going to happen when he did. Some would say he set this situation up before man was even created. Garden first then man. And then, Oh man don't eat from the forbidden tree! A tree which seems to have no purpose being in the garden, unless God did not create the garden? Several passages in the first few chapters of genesis suggest the possibility that God is not the only one of his kind. For all we know he could have stolen the garden from the original land lord and might have neglected to do a little weed wacking on purpose just so he could play dumb and watch his creations fall just for the hell of it. He is God after all and has no need of us, if he did he wouldn't be God. It doesn't seem so far of a stretch to assume we're his primary source of entertainment. It would be no fun watching a garden full of happy people live theirs lives perfectly content with their situation.
@Golfiseasy
@Golfiseasy 10 ай бұрын
@wertolfwarrenheimer3794 he didn't explain it to us or them? God doesn't have to explain everything to you. He told them enough that they should have stayed away from it. Also it was His mercy that they didn't die physically after eating of it. He put the tree in the garden because He wanted to give them a choice. Because would they be doing what they did because they loved Him or because they had no choice. To be perfect, they had to have a choice. God created them to show Him love not because He needed them but because He wanted to. How could they show Him love if they had no choice. We do not know all the reasons He put the tree in the garden. Just how Adam and Eve didn't know they would just die spiritually when they ate of the tree. There could have been other reasons He just hasn't told us yet.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
The text doesn't say spiritual death. You added that because you recognize the problem in the text and can't deal honestly with the cognitive dissonance.
@jeffyboi8192
@jeffyboi8192 10 ай бұрын
@@wertolfwarrenheimer3794 he put the tree in the garden to give humans a choice.
@jeffyboi8192
@jeffyboi8192 10 ай бұрын
@@wertolfwarrenheimer3794 if you've read the bible then you would know that God literally wants us to be happy and to live alongside him.
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
Eve was NOT commanded against eating of the tree, only Adam was. Eve was NOT cursed because she ate....she was cursed because she ADDED to the commandment by saying "neither shall we touch it". For starters, adding her into it, AND adding the stipulation against touching.....also, she gave it to her husband. 3 things Eve did.
@gigi9301
@gigi9301 10 ай бұрын
Why did God put her there at all, then? He knew what the outcome would be, right? Or are you saying God did not know something?
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
​@@gigi9301because the monkeys were starting to look good to Adam.😂
@DragonHawke-bu5gx
@DragonHawke-bu5gx 10 ай бұрын
@@gigi9301 as for the way the texts are presented, god wanted Adam to fall the god of genesis is a god of chaos and death
@gigi9301
@gigi9301 10 ай бұрын
@@visaman Ahh Ha Ha!!! Yikes!!
@jamesmcinnis208
@jamesmcinnis208 10 ай бұрын
Next up: The Deconstruction Zone takes on "The Cat in the Hat."
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
The Cat In The Hat is just as factual as the book of Genesis.
@jamesmcinnis208
@jamesmcinnis208 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone My point exactly!
@YeshuaisnotJesus
@YeshuaisnotJesus 8 ай бұрын
The Bible is a historical fiction book.
@thethirdeye8893
@thethirdeye8893 10 ай бұрын
So many glaring issues in the bible .. can't see why people still believe in it ))
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
It's painful to face changing your entire belief structure. It was for me at least
@jeffyboi8192
@jeffyboi8192 10 ай бұрын
No no issues in the bible at all just people that fail to understand it
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffyboi8192 no, the bible IS incomprehensible...there are simply a ton of people like you who beg for special pleading, and you add a TON of shit into the texts to force it all to make sense IT DOESN"T i mean, seriously, the fact alone of snakes no longer talking makes the text to not make sense. If we knew snakes COULD talk, that would be one thing, but, we know they can't, so a miracle had to have happened, either making this one snake able to talk, or a miracle that would ultimately prevent all snakes from talking and a miracle, is by nature, unnatural, and illogical....it is something that happened, that shouldn't have happened on its own.....COULDN"T have happened so, by the very nature of the idea of miracles and god's use of his power, EVERY TIME god uses his power, the story becomes incomprehensible.....you can accept that it happened, but that doesn't make it anymore comprehensible....it is still UNNATURAL
@davidjohnson5723
@davidjohnson5723 10 ай бұрын
MYTHOLOGY: If I believe the Bible, then I believe God had it in His Plan, and knew the Future. That my Loving Father God made Lucifer, knowing he would become the great Deceiver, the Evil One aka Satan and cast him down into the Playground with His Children. Then when His Children are deceived by him, God will Blame His Children for being deceived by the one God put there. It doesn't make sense and therefore is Not True. It is Mythology.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
The existence of Satan is completely illogical
@dragonhawkeclouse2264
@dragonhawkeclouse2264 10 ай бұрын
@@Deconstruction_Zone illogical for an all loving god, yes but for a god of chaos and death, like Negral.....PERFECTLY LOGICAL!!!
@QuestionThingsUseLogic
@QuestionThingsUseLogic 6 ай бұрын
Dang! I was 4 'likes' from making it 666!!
@jimgillert20
@jimgillert20 10 ай бұрын
Folk Eiteology.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
Yup
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 10 ай бұрын
#7 Eve is the mother of all life even tho she was the last life created in Genesis 2.
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
Adam lived 900 years, so that's a lot of time to make babies!
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 10 ай бұрын
@@visaman How is that a point. She couldn’t be the mother of all life if there was life before she lived.
@visaman
@visaman 10 ай бұрын
@@scienceexplains302 not all life, but of the living on her lifetime. It was just a cute nickname.
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 10 ай бұрын
@@visaman Genesis 3:20 says she *was* the mother of all living, *not* that she was merely called that.
@harveywabbit9541
@harveywabbit9541 10 ай бұрын
Cherubim = Oxen aka Taurus and spring equinox (morning). The flaming sword = sword of Perseus. In the cool of Evening = autumn equinox.
@Grand_riser
@Grand_riser 10 ай бұрын
I think GOD is trying to know who you are personally.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I think god doesn't exist......
@Grand_riser
@Grand_riser 10 ай бұрын
@The_Deconstruction_Zone ya, i was like you, but then i realized there are too many mysterious events and things we dont understand to rule that out.
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
I certainly agree that unexplainable phenomenon exists. @@Grand_riser
@Grand_riser
@Grand_riser 10 ай бұрын
@The_Deconstruction_Zone its hard to believe something you dont understand.1 step is believing then seeking to find.
@herman71083
@herman71083 10 ай бұрын
These would have been "Glaring Issues" for me 10 years ago! But since then, I've developed a personal relationship with God and have joined the Seventh Day Adventist church, and every issue you raised here, I answered with relative ease! I would challenge you to deeply study your Bible and ask God to reveal Himself to you! Additionally, there are two books that will open your eyes to the world we live in. 1) The great controversy. 2) Steps to Christ. God bless!
@Deconstruction_Zone
@Deconstruction_Zone 10 ай бұрын
😂😂 Yes because being a Christian for 20+ years and obtaining two degrees in biblical studies wasn't enough. The many fixes for these problems are weak and poorly thought out and I've heard them all.
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