The Pre-Sequal explains the rats. They were the Hyperion workers that were building Helios and somehow got infected with "space herps". It drove them crazy and cannibalistic. You had to fight your way through them on your way to the Eye of Helios. I'm guessing they were dumped on Pandora like everything/everyone else and became what we see in BL2.

Fun fact in borderlands you have to stay in the border of the lands or else the turrets shoot you to death, this also makes them the most powerful enemy in the game

My theory for the rats is that they were out casts, like ex dhal miners and stayed underground in the sewers because of the monsters unleashed after the 7 year winter.

It is implied that when Maya Phaselocks Rats, she's encompassing them in an entirely separate dimension, in which they briefly see... Things.

i think the thing with moxxi being called kandi was probably something to do with her being a hodunk and leaving them. because i remember there being a few lines in bl2 talking about how moxxi was meant to be married off to someone so maybe she was meant to be married off to flynt but she left the hodunks and changed her name or something and they probably just scrapped the bit of lore. but i might be wrong about the lines existing

14:00 Colonel Zarpedon also had her rank on her forehead, It's visible after killing her. She also wears a green uniform similar to Axton's. Hector may have somehow removed his rank out of disrespect because of Dahl's betrayal, though Axton and Zarpedon were also not happy with Dahl so who knows.

I’d imagine the Crimson Shield would be an elite defense force of Sanctuary and Atlas And as a reference to the Crimson Lance and Crimson Raiders

It's interesting that even after all those years there is still something to discover about Borderlands and its characters. 1) Crimson Shield is a great idea. But I guess it would made Rhys competent so that's why it was scrapped. 2) Perhaps Kandi was supposed to be Baron Flynt's girlfriend or something like that but the idea was scrapped and Moxxi was introduced. Or Candi was Captain's girlfriend and Moxxi's sister or rival or something. 3) Flak as oar would've been weird. 4) Marcus looks better how he looks now. He looks more jolly and less threatening which is good for a businessman. 5) I never noticed that Typhon is wearing a hazmat suit but it makes sense. 6) The branding of soldiers is a good reminder how the megacorporations treat their people; a mix of slaves and goods.

Colonel Zarpedon has her rank embedded in her skin as well! So I think that they probably just forgot about it for Hector, or if we want to try and give a canon reason then Dahl started doing this maybe after abandoning so many people on planets that they needed to make sure who was still Dahl and who wasn't.

I had always assumed the rats where experimented on by Hyperion the "lab rats" are the most messed up ones and they only appear on bl2 the same one as the rest of the Hyperion experiments

14:24 That isnt true, Colonel Zarpadon has her rank on her skull too, right over her eye same as Axton, It is slightly different aswell. I think they just forgot when it came to Hector.

Typhon's suit looks a lot like protective outfits from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. , with embedded front armor plates and life support systems

Please keep it up these small facts were very interesting to the world building of borderlands. Especially the rank embedded on Axton's forehead. Never had a single thought on why it was there but now it is intriguing to imagine dahl infantry all displaying their rank on their persons.

thing with moxxi is "kandi" could been her original name as old moxxi before she become successful was with bandit groups more so she could been flynt's girl maybe before she changed her name and took up new path.

One of the biggest problems is just how good the Promethea arc in BL3 was in the a game story that was kinda meh (if not bad). Reis, the Crimson lance, Zer0, and Lorelei were extremely good, while katagawa and the truant brothers were a little overboard, still did a good job at carrying the Maliwan vs. Atlas story forward. I wish we had more of this story that felt really short compared to the Eden 6 that dragged on for far to long and Necrotephao (I butchered that) that honestly just felt added in last second for no reason but to keep the story from feeling too short.

If i remember, the Ninja turtles quest talks about hyperion experiments, or i think it was talking about Lab Rats

Imagine the characters reaction to when salvador's ability is to just, use his other arm.

I desperately want to know more about the Goliaths in bl2 because there so interesting to think abt what happened to them

I love your content! I love the lore of these games and you're the only channel that covers it extensively! Keep up the good work! 😍

Kandi as a rival to Moxxi is such a great idea. Also would be cool to see her as a playable character, though I guess the Baroness does kinda fit that bill

Would love if they incorporate the Crimson Shield in 4. They look so awesome and Atlas could use more love.

What attire Chars wear along with the environments are always something that I have a tendency to look at in these games.

Man I love these types of borderlands videos so much

Are we forgetting that BARON Flynt from 1 was one of the final bosses in the game and held a massive amount of sway for a bandit? That's who they're referencing when they mention Flynt in Moxxi's concept art, not Captain Flynt, who was intended as a joke, since Baron was one of the final human enemies in Borderlands 1 and the first guy you kill in 2. Also, I don't think Typhon is wearing a hazmat suit, but a flight suit. The shattered helmet and mask around his neck look at least a little like a mixture of modern flight helmets used in fighter jets and sci-fi EVA helmets (like an astronaut's). Given we know that Typhon has at least flown ships, it'd make sense that he's wearing a flight suit.

Werent the Rats experimented on? I remember voicelines and the TMNT quest eluding to that. Also the big lanky one has L A S E R Beams for eyes, would fit how in Borderlands 2 Hyperion was experimenting with Slag and yeeting them Rats wouldnt be that hard to cause trouble.

I was actually kinda gutted the Rats never returned in BL3 hope we see those pests come back cos their lore (as spars as it is) always intrigued me. New Tales From The Borderlands should have just followed Typhon's story from his past for 3 big reasons 1) theybwanted another Vault Monster on Prometheus but it made no sense with the current narrative, but we already had the FIRST Vault opened in the past, 2) Typhon's Logs painted an interesting & fantastical tale I could imagine being split into 5 parts (1: Pandora-Prometheus, 2: Prometheus & First Vault, 3: The Jakobs Family, 4: Pandora & DeLeon's meeting of Lena (was that her name?), 5: Finding Nekrotafeyo & fighting The Serpent). 3rd reason is ANYTHING would have been a better story compared to that schlock fest of crap...

I always presumed Tina’s ‘sleeve’ was to cover S/H scars or other experimentation marks. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’d had some form of electro-shock while captured.

Scrapping the Crimson Sheild was the right choice. The game already has a ton of characters and there's just too much overlap. We already have Zero and the girl and her dog could have easily been filled by Gaige and Deathtrap.

i think the Flynt they were referring to is the second to last boss of bl1, baron flynt, there is a Flynt in every game after all (and in the hammerlock dlc for bl2), Baron, Captain, Sparky and Zane Flynt . despite flynt being dead, she might've just been his widow. Perhaps they wanted her to be more of a villain that was avenging her husband?

Love Borderlands! Thank you for sharing some new knowledge.

Wasn't the rats the maintenance people from hyperion who got infected with fumes or somthing in pre sequel

This was very interesting. This was short, good and something that I needed.

I'd say the alien flak would have worked if there were more alien species in the game.

Man I love when you drop a borderland video

Seems like the Atlas group was a parody of 7(ish) Samurai. Would have been cool to fight all 7 as a boss with each one being a modified base enemy.

Maybe Typhon wears the suit because he was a turd farmer and needed for that

I love ur videos u do a excellent commentary and keeps me watching

The crimson shield alone could make for a great spinoff game.

There definitely appears to be some kind of experimentation, or something, going on in The Fridge with regards to the Rats, specifically behind the door that Laney White comes out of. Also, to my eye, Typhon's suit looks more like a fighter-pilot's suit, like something you'd see from the Air Force.

I imagine the Flynt mentioned in Moxxi's art is the playable character more so than Captain Flynt but ok

Crimson Shield all look really cool, i love their designs

That was fun man thanks!

I’ve always had a fascination with the rats when I played borderlands 2 and wanted to know more about them

In regards to the crimson shield any of the helmets outside of the zero looking one look exactly like Helghast armor from killzone

Most likely moxie was supposed to play a smaller role as candy than the story got changed and in a time crunch thay changed her name and used her assets for somthing else we know that happened in the first borderlands with the sirens and it happens all the time in the gaming industry

I still miss Zed also good to see a video from you E

In regards to the Marcus with an eyepatch time-frame, since it said it would have happened between the first Tales game and Borderlands 3, it would have likely happened in the Commander Lilith DLC. Probably as a part of a side quest. Considering the time frames of release from 2, Tales, and 3, it would have given the art time enough time to start coming up with new designs for the existing characters.

So they cut out all of these interesting characters and concepts...but the calypso twins and Ava made it into the final product...

''friendly dahl employee'', wasn't tannis originally dahl employee?

Wait. Are we not gonna talk about how Katagawa is human yet wearing the suit he has only 4 digits on his hands?

well in the Pre-sequel it did explain that Rats was originally mutate Hyperion workers who were left on part of the Helios station that they had to cannibalized to survive, guess Later they escape to Pandora and forming their own community...

Didn't Typhon live in a vault? I think that's plenty reason to wear a hazmat

While not officially canon the borderlands book, The Fallen, by John Shirley I think is where the Rats come from in chapter 14 we're introduced to rodent like humans that wear gas masks. They were apparently were miners that were attacked by bandits and decided to hide in the mines that they came to work in and didn't come back up and eventually turned into Rats. This book was released in 2011 before BL2 introduced the rats

Crimson shield was a faction in the first game. They’re from the DLC either right before or right after the one that introduced Moxxi

Play TPS, do side missions, learn the history of the rats

Great video, love to to all you do

I don’t know if you still do the history of series. But could you cover Incinerator Clayton from BL2?

I like to think Fl4k was originally the Loaderbot from Tales From The Borderlands.

can help dig some lore/history on Pangolin and Anshin please i don't think there going be a ton of lore but there got more to them beside a name?

If you played The Pre-Sequel, then you'd know where the rats came from... I think 🤔 I'm not entirely sure how they got down to Pandora tbh

idk if youll ever see this comment but i have a request that could perhaps be interesting to consider! I love borderlands lore, and I pondered on the idea of a lore series in reference to the actual maps within the games? for example, the story behind what happened in caustic caverns and the story of the crystalisks, story of the dahl workers who were abandonned and then killed by the crystalisks when they were seeking revenge after initially being friendly towards humans and trusting. I know its in the game but i love your videos and think each map has a cool little story/added lore that can be explored in video format like how you do it. either way, great content, seriously keep it up youre one of my favourite creators!

Honestly I can see gearbox re tool the crimson shield in borderlands 4 it just seems like too good of an idea not to use

I'm wondering if you'll ever do Easter eggs and references again, or every Explain the meaning behind more Rwby songs.

I love how the Crimson Shield was cut, but the quest 'The Big Succ' stayed in.

If the Kandi was her name the first thing that popped in my mind after looking at the artwork was April Bowlby (Kandi) from Two and a Half Men.

Hey so I have had a question burning in my mind. You already did a video on the vault monsters but what’s the deal with the invincible bosses? What’s there stories if they even have one, would be a neat video idea I think.

It actually makes a ton of sense for Typhon DeLeon to be wearing a HazMat suit! If you think about it, things like that would be a necessity when working/growing up ON A TURD FARM ON PANDORA!

I am designing concepts too. So as my research and experience I can say that, in the industry, many of the concepts are getting like 70+ iterations, especially the key characters and their equipment, pets etc. So you can be sure in triple-A games most of the time the developers make sure that gamers get the best iteration either from the point of design or contribution to the story. I am in love with the Borderlands series. And creating a project inspired by Borderlands for my portfolio nowadays. It has not been finished yet but It will be at the same quality level as works of Sergi Brosa etc.

I mean im mad that rhys’ eye got changed back to blue without any mention of it being the one with Jack in it, but at least they didn’t make it red. Aesthetically it doesn’t work to have a red echo eye

I always thought that Tiny Tina's sleeve was a hint to her growing up to be like a psycho siren or something

For Typhon, maybe the suit was used to help care for his kids? So they didn’t leech the life out of him by accident? A hazmat suit might have provided protection of some kind.

So typhon made kids in radioaktiv vault... Thats why they were sianece twins?

Hey EruoptionFang I've been wondering about the old show nomad of nowhere and in my head, you are the rooster teeth guy. Do you know what happened to it, I really loved that show.

9:59 I am willing to bet that it was going to be revealed to be him accidentally shooting his eye out.

I forgot to comment this on your other video about tales from the bordlands 2.but "besides from the art style, it looks like tales from the bordlands 2 was made by different people who have only played talse from the bordlands and nothing else. Like an entirely different game company from an entirely different series".

I love Fl4k, they are amazing.

Bit late to the party but with Typhons "Hazmat Suit" Could also possibly be related to the whole "Turd Farming" thing?

what happened to his nier video? I was just watching it a second ago and all of a sudden its private? something happen with the copyright or something along those lines?

I play borderlands 2 for years, heck you can jump in and play with random people and have fun, borderlands 3 was a disappoinment i pass the game in one week and jump to mayhem 10 right away and i can sadly say the game is dead, hard to find people to play co-op with

Kandi might be her birth name or a nickname in her ex-commune since she was from the Hoodunk clan and made herself a huge personality growth. You can see her breaking the character and speaking like a mean villager girl for few seconds in one of the missions but can't recall the game or the specific mission now. Must be BL2 dlc or so.

I don't understand why you don't get the Kandi part. It's literally just her concept name _before_ she was named Mad Moxxi.

that radiation with vaults reminds me, I've always thought that the Warrior and Kraggons might be related

Would have loved to play as a Rat or Rouse. Caustic affinity, speed increase stats, loot perks, etc. Would have been such a fun vault hunter.

I had this idea for pretty long time: what if Overwatch and Borderlands had a collaboration? Skinwise I mean but maybe also a new game mode. There could be Siren Mercy skin, Eridian Echo, one of company military skins for Soldier Rhein Reaper Soujourn. Hyperion Bastion and Moira and etc.

For Flak it could have easily been explained, in borderlands you go to different planets and encounter new enemies. All they would have needed to do was have flak be an orc and build a planet around the orc race

Fun fact bruv is that in borderlands it’s possible to have mutations like skags depending on what was fes to them at a young age . Like how are the flynnts fire proof ?

I think other fl4k ork design would of been amazing for wonderlands

They should make the ork race would be cool

Im honestly kinda sad we never got to see stuff from Vladof. I mean, there was already concept art. And they could have been great antagonists for a takedown or even an entire story DLC. Especially considering how we barely know stuff about them.

Could you make the hystory of boom the boss and the dj in moxxis bar cus I have a feeling that he has some history

Her name was probably meant to be Candy. She could still have been crushing on Baron. It could’ve been that she was supposed to be in the main game but they scrapped her. If she was talking about Captain, it would still work. She was married to Shank so she has dated bad guys before. She also dated Motor Mama from BL2.

One of the crimson shield looks like judge Hightower

So the whole dahl rank think, what happens when a dahl solder get a rank increase? Like private to corporal or something along those lines, do they just basically rip them out and embed new ones?

Hey, eruption? This might be an interesting topic but... what will happen to the calypso twins in the alternative universe that jack succeeded? What would be your thoughts?

I wish we knew more about the mutated bandits and why they are the way they are

Isn't rats and PreSequel mutants hyperion soldiers related?

“One of them looks like zero” *ignores the one that looks exactly like zero and zooms in some other robot face

For your next video try making a video that explains the timeline of Earthbound

I have an idea for a weapon for a future borderlands game it's an Easter egg weapon it's manufactured by mailwan, the gun type is an SMG, the rarity is Orange and it has the ability to switch between all the elements, the gun's name is called Avatar and the red text says "when the world needed him most, he vanished" it's a reference from Avatar The last Airbender.

That first shot is what the vaults SHOULD have looked like inside.