I’ll never forgive these guys for killing off Maya in the worst way possible

Missing: torgue's grandma got steel's powers, but flexed so hard she lost them

if you look at Lilith's models from each game, the tattoo has progressively gotten larger, and in each game her feats with Phasewalk grow in scale as well.

I used to think the bubble that Maya creates with Phaselock traps someone in the same dimension that Lilith Phasewalks into. I honestly don't think the writers even know what Siren's purpose are yet 🤷🏻‍♂️

"we've never seen sirens fly before three" Angel's opening scene and idle state

While I enjoyed BL3 during my several playthroughs, they did my girl Maya wrong. The Kreig DLC was a fantastic dedication to her, imo.

I think Angel passed them on by choice, because she WAS aware of Tannis. Angel knew how smart she was, maybe she knew Tannis would be a good candidate.

The one thing I wish they'd done during Borderlands 2 & 3 is given special interactions for the sirens. They're supposed to be rare yet when you walk into Lillith's liar in B2 as Maya, she doesn't even acknowledge you. Same with Amara in B3. Damn, you've got 5 sirens in the same place but it feels like 4 because you're ignoring Amara 😭

2:30 tannis says her powers were a "gift from a guardian angel" so I think they co-ordinated it. Also her mine where she mastered her powers is titled "Angels Light"

Maya also has wings, in the Blight Phoenix skill in the Cataclysm tree. Its mostly with the fire element, but there's corrosion in it as well.

You notice how all the sirens tattoos have different styles and flows as well as colors (sometimes). The tattoos may be an indication on what the sirens power may be

There was an audio log that you can find in the Pre-Sequal that details a little girl that develops powers. It even describes the Eridian coming to the child and her mother after the girl fell ill. She was told by the Eridian that she was a siren and would survive her illness. Since this log came shortly after the events of the original, it would be easy to suggest that this kid may have Steele's powers, whatever they may be.

I hope that we get more Siren lore in the next game. I could see Tannis trying to unite all of the Siren sisters, either in an attempt to learn more about their origins/powers or to be safer in numbers since they pretty have target tattoos as well. I would also love to hear Steele’s backstory. I don’t see why we can’t hear an Echo of when she first met Knoxx and she explains to him what she can do and convinces him to let her lead the Lance forces on Pandora so she can get to the Vault

we could also see Maya's wings, only in third person if you had the blight phoenix skill tho

I think the "siren energy" thing is what Lilith calls phaseblast in bl2

As much as I enjoyed playing Amara, am I the only one who was disappointed that we couldn't do a Jojo's/Fits of the North Star rapid fire fist barrage? You can't give me Asura arms and not the ability to punch really really fast! I know that was Brick's action skill, but if they gave her a version of Maya's phaselock, why not?

The Eldest knowing about Lilith could be the same as how Maya somehow knew Ava would be a Siren one day.

Maya also sprouts wings in BL2 when you're playing as her, when you're put into Fight For Your Life Edit: another connection to BL2, Angel appears to be floating in her chamber like Tannis was after her reveal. I think we have technically seen flying, we just didn't realize because Angel was so limited

I always thought the Leech was meant to be the 7th Siren, since it was sealed away on Nekrotephayo for so long

I have a theory since Commadant Steele was eaten by the destroyer her powers never entered back into the universe and they only re-entered the universe after the events of borderlands 3 because that's when the destroyer was fully defeated or partially who know but that's just my theory on Commadant Steele's power

Brick's Siren powers were so great it created Amara.

I think a better way to phrase the "siren energy" power would be "energy manipulation and/or projection". Since I'm pretty sure most if not all Sirens' default melee attacks are a similar force push looking animation. Isn't Angel our first example of a Siren flying? Since she's constantly hovering above the ground when her wings are out?

Maya can heal as well. Don't know if it's really canon or even makes sence with her main ability but she has an entire skill tree dedicated to healing her and others as well as picking her friends up when they are down(giving them second wind).

I have brought this up multiple times but for bl4 I think it'd be cool if they let us play all the previous vault hunters along side some improvements to their skill trees. Give Mordecai two blood wings (cannon), give brick the hammer, give axton Roland abilities since he's... no longer with us. For Maya they could replace her with Ava, not that I particularly like her but maybe they improve her character and stuff. This would be my dream come true but it's pretty impractical to ask for this.

i personally thought that Angel chose Tannis for her powers and that it was a brilliant choice. Tannis had already been studying Sirens so she would pretty instantly know what was going on. While Tannis was bonkers, she was never stupid. She was already working to take down Jack/Hyperion, which is what Angel ultimately wanted. And I think Angel knew that there was no way in hell Tannis could ever be made to work for Jack or Hyperion or Dahl or any mega corp really, given what happened to her in the past. Tannis was the best choice to make sure her powers were not abused.

Angel knew Tannis very well due to her big brother level of surveilance and Tannis' massive importance ever since Borderlands 1. Angel would definitely want to pass on Phase Shift to someone who could help the Vault Hunters

I love all the sirens and their powers but what I really want is an entire game on them and not just side content, not dlc and not just collectibles. I also hope they don't drop the ball with the seventh siren

I’ve heard people talk about The reanimated Commandant Steele from the 1st game’s DLC. They theorized that based on her movements and attacks that Steeler’s powers had to do with some sort of physical augmentation that made her more agile and overall fast. Idk, but sounded like an interesting theory (even though her powers would have likely passed to the next person).

I can't wait to find out what steels power was. And what the 6th and 7th powers are. Like if the leech is dangerous what did the 7th siren do to get locked away

20:40 My theory. Sirens have been explained to have a strange universal connection to each other. So maybe the connection Tannis had to a siren (Lilith) already made her highly likely to be the next successor of a siren power. Maybe?

the thing about the tattoos being on the left side of the body, Amaras tattoos change depending on what element she uses. also, she can be seen levitating sometimes in the title menu. also with Asha, you can see a blue tattoo on her forehead underneath her hair.

Well as of Borderlands 3 we've got three active sirens( Tannis, Ava, and Amara ) , one siren indisposed (Lilith), and three siren spots open. Phase-leech, one unknown siren power, and one possible siren power(animal control). Between "Tales from the Borderlands 2" to "Borderlands 4" there's plenty of opportunity for the three new sirens to show up, either as playable characters, antagonists, or NPCs.

"never seen sirens fly before borderlands 3" - shows clip of angel flying in bl2 almost immediately after this

amara has a fucking stand ability

I think the reason the annointed have a version of phase walk is because he and Tyreen still had a connection, I think this because he could use phase leech after he stopped leeching off of Tyreen so I think they are still linked so what he does is imbue a copy of his sisters phase walk to his annointed troops

The way I always understood the sirens power is that only seven can only exist at once not that there is only seven siren powers

Lilith being able to communicate psychically NEVER made ANY fucking sense. It always seemed implied to be Angel hacking into your HUD.

Nyriad was the 7th siren, not one of the six. Her voice lines that you find throughout the game make specific reference to this.

I think we find out steels powers in bl4 as the new siren we use, with the 7th being the villain. Best story I can think of is she's already been found and is the author of the corporate wars, she's been hiding her tats and powers like tannis for decades

I'm happy that someone's finally brought up the fact that Siren's utilize telepathy (Seeing as to how not a lot of people realize that Maya utilizes this ability to communicate with and understand Krieg) but did anyone else notice that Lilith is still using it for a brief period of time after Tyreen leeched her? Was that the one last trace of siren power she had left? P.S. We've seen siren's fly in BL2 (Mostly floating) but Lilith does this while being forced to charge the vault key in the warriors vault by Handsome Jack, and against Hector in the Fight for Sanctuary

I like to think that angel chose tennis because Jack tortured them both to get what he wanted.

I think it’d be awesome that if Lilith did really die, her powers go to Athena, she would be a good siren

I’m late as hell but now that I’ve played some of BL3 (thanks steam sale lmao) I think I understand why the anointed have some of Lilith’s powers. After Tyreen takes Lilith’s powers, Troy leeches from her and probably also gains some of Lilith’s abilities. He combined them with the anointed and gave them mostly Lilith’s since that was the most developed powers he had. That explains why he can also charge the vault key like Lilith had in Bl2, at least, that’s what I think.

Maya stated that she knew Ava would be her successor, she said she didn't know how she knew she just knew, so the eldest seeking out lilith and the idea of sirens knowing the future to some degree may not be so far fetched

Maya also has wings if you get a certain skill in BL2

It would be interesting if Ava rediscovered Thoughtlock and became a kind of Siren Rogue/Charmer.

I believe Maya's melee from borderlands 2 is her "push"

When you discover tannis is a siren in bl3 she word for word says "you could call it a gift from a guardian angel" You used that clip while stating that its a mystery and coincidence she's the successor....bruh

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bro your videos always make me feel like crying. there is something about your deliverance and voice that makes everything so dramatic.

Maya had a kill skill named "blight phoenix" . When activated, she spread her wings colored orange at the top and green at the bottom. She was able to deal fire and corrosion damage to near enemies. Edit: typo

I think the way the Calipsos “force push” works is by her releasing some of her stockpiled leeched power at a distance.

If they wanted to bring the Eldest into canon, I could see them saying that Lilith’s phasewalk lets you transcend not just space but time. The Eldest had used it to see into the future, and then Lilith uses it reenter the series through time travel shenanigans. Oh, and I also assumed that the users had to learn the extent of the their powers. As in, Lilith didn’t unlock teleporting for every subsequent siren, but she learned it was an extension of her phasewalk. Tyrene could do it right away because either she knew it was possible after watching Lilith or her own knowledge of siren lore from Typhon and Nekrotyfeo gave her better mastery than our heroes. As for the 7th siren, someone else wondered if it meant the leech powers, but I also wonder if it didn’t mean Troy specifically since he seemed like a weird 7th since we were initially told there were only 6.

i have a theory regarding tannis getting the sirens power. it may have been both chance and pre meditated. chance that there happened to be someone on pandora that was researching eridium so closely outside the sirens and being so close to it that she was driven slightly mad similar to being in a constant state of reliance. and angel may have wanted her power to go to someone similar to her

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My guess as to how each person got certain others Siren powers is there are certain characteristics to a person that allow them to be candidates of the Siren inheritance along with other possible factors. One would be of course distance to where the source/body of the Siren is when they pass away (this is shown with Tyreen getting the leech powers only because she was conceived in the same Vault the past Siren had died in). Second would be certain characteristics including smarts, whit, personality, etc. This is shown with Tannis inheriting Angels abilities. It seemed from a young age Angel was possibly incredibly smart for her age, as she was able to use the technology based powers as a child with ease. When she died because Tannis is probably the smartest person on Pandora (the distance factor coming in), she got the powers. This can also be seen in Ava when she inherited her powers from Maya: they were both quite rebellious. This is a bit of a stretch with them but they're personalities are very similar to one another. Third (this is in terms of Maya & Ava along with how Maya's powers have been passed down over time on her planet) is naming a specific successor to the powers. This could be something she found out about through archives at the temple, maybe through her dreams (in reference to her talking in her sleep about Nyriad), etc & it's bound to another person via a ritual or maybe tied to an object specifically to go to someone (Ava does still have Maya's book). But these are just my thoughts lol

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Love how Lilith tries teleporting us and either dropped us 2 feet away or miles in bl2 but tyrene gets the power and is pin point accurate from light years away immediately

honestly it kind of seems like siren powers are more interlinked than we initially realise. you distinguished Amara's Phasegrasp from Maya's Phaselock through Thoughtlock, but Amara gets the action skill augment 'Glamour' in her green tree that confuses enemies and causes them to attack their allies. Maya and Lilith also share the Phoenix/Blight Phoenix ability, where their wings emit an elemental aura around them. maybe it's just that each Siren specialises in a certain technique above all others? this would explain why most Sirens seem to be able to learn how to drain power from Eridium, but only the Phaseleech can do it without causing themselves physical damage. that would also explain why Phasegrasp/Phaselock are so similar, but Amara's appears to be an extension of her Phasetrance as the giant arms are involved. perhaps, given enough time and practice, any Siren could learn some version of Phasewalking, but not to the same distances as Lilith could. also, you said we don't see Amara's wings in-game but i figured that's what her arms were-instead of manifesting Western-inspired angel wings like the other Sirens, Amara's upbringing on Partali means her Siren aura manifests multiple arms with her hands forming various mudras like a Hindu Deity.

my thought on Steele: she does not have , how to say it, external powers, but internal ones. boosting her physical strength and speed, maybe also resilience to damage? i'd love to see her again (yes, we did, but as an alive person)

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I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the users of Siren power are predetermined? Which is how I figured Maya "knew somehow" that Ava would be a siren in the future. Maybe if they meet the next wielder of their powers it's a kind of precognition or spidey sense?

Amara can actually phaselock and mind control in the games with the augments to her power (pretty sure its with the stillness of mind and glamour respectively iirc) which opens a completely new can of worms... if Amara can do it, what exactly makes Maya's powers different? Are Amara's just a weaker version? or is it possible Amara learnt Maya's powers by training? if that is so, is it possible all sirens can get each others powers by simply training?

Maya sprouts wings whenever either Blight Phoenix or Backdraft (I can’t remember which) is active.

This is a really good video, man. Keep up the great work 😌

Another great video dude! Thanks!

I'm almost certain that one of the Eridian slabs in Bl3 mentions that the sirens can choose a host when they die or let someone at random be burdened with the siren power without any knowledge of what it is. That explains why tannins got Angels powers and Maya knew Ava would become a siren.

Honestly I think the sixth siren's powers actually ARE animal control and I have a lot to support that. First of all, the Siren powers that we know have a bit of a duality in their powers, for example Lilith can enter the other dimention herself, while Amara seems to be able to pull her energy from this dimension, and Maya seems to be able to lock others in this dimention. Also, Tyreen can leech other's energy, while Amara can project her own energy forward, and Troy seemed to be able to imbue his energy into others, which were the anointed. And there come Angel or Tannis, who could apply her energy onto machinery and the current probably, which would create a duality with a siren that could in a way "bloodbend" living things, with projecting her energy into their bodies, which would also create a duality with Maya, who could project her energy into their minds. Also, there's Asha who had animal control power, and also there was the Chinese non-canon cut content Borderlands game, where the Siren also had Rakk control, so that would be only fair, and she actually shot fiery Rakks, so maybe that would be also a kind of animal anointment possibility, you know, like Fl4k but Siren-themed, lol. (CONCLUSION: Fl4k is a siren!!!111oneone okaymaybenot )

im somewhat surprised this video didnt discuss Eternals, humans given siren powers (namely phasewalk) through Eridian / Guardian technology

Maya also had wings you forgot to include that she gets them with one of her skill points

Maya has wings on bl2 but can only be seen if u use a specific skill

I like to think Tannis is Angels aunt. The picture of Jack and young angel, with her mums face scratched out in BL3, which is in Tannis's own facility. My initial thought is, Tannis is Angels mum. Which also could be worked into the lore, but since they literally said angels mum was killed by Angel, I feel like Tannis is Auntie Tannis.

23:40 it is shown in the pre-sequal that skill points are non-canon however actionskills are canon so Maya's thought-lock skill isn't canon which why it is a game play only thing and thus not in borderlands 3's story. Also for the pre-sequal thing it is known as the non-canon museum and it says exhibits are skill points, new-U stations, and plot inconsistencies (im only typing this for proof).

"a gift from a guardian angel" -Tannis after we learn shes got siren powers

In my school vr game, Queen Nova is 1 of the most powerful sirens with all 5 abilities, and the biggest example is her boss fight cutseen where she phasewalked into the Arena Phaseleached Tyreen to restore Goalius, phasetranced to block La Signara crimson witch of embers form whip, phaseshift Nazie robots to Order 66 the Fatui, phaselocked The Raiden Shogun Musou No Hitochi at full power and showed a new ability Goalius called Phasebreaker where the user manifest weapons made of Siren energies and her boss fight is intense during it revealed that the comic books ARE CANON by having Phase control (animal control) by CONTROLLING THE F.CKING TRAVLER.

Your chanel and content is amazing, love ur videos about Borderlands

Love the club red music in the background, very nice

Tyreen had the ability to absorb powers from others; sirens and vault monsters at least. We don't know how many of her abilities were innate to her being a siren and which ones were taken from someone or something else. My point being, she's not the best case for determining a siren's standard abilities. If there's some wiki explaining her powers, please share, but I wasn't able to find anything in detail.

brilliant video!

The phase leech ability isn't part of the 6 known abilities as it hasn't existed since mythical time. This means of the canonical known powers only four are known of the original six.

I miss Maya.

I've personally seen correlation between the 7 Siren powers and the 7 Wonders of Witchcraft from AHS Coven. Perhaps similar source material? Telekinesis = Phaselock Concilium = Phasetrance Pyrokinesis = ? Transmutation = Phasewalk Vitalum Vitalis = Phaseleech? Descensum = ? Divination = Phaseshift

My ex would play as maya, and i played as krieg. We were hyped for this game when it was announced, but she sadly passed away before its release.

The Siren Energy thing can kind of be explained due to Sirens having magic and manipulation over elements. Lilith’s Melee attack acts similar to Tyreen’s “force push”. But Lilith calls it “Phaseblast”.

Also Maya wings were shown in bl2 not in a cutscene it was a certain ability in her skill tree where a green and yellow wing appears and the creatures instantly die when near her.

@16:01 Lloyd Christmas : [long pause while he processes what he's heard] So you're telling me there's a chance.

Always been suprised they've never done a 'Phase-Animation' Siren. Pretty much Zombie Siren, able to Animate a Single Corpse to their will for a time. I guess Maya's Phase-Thought kinda covers that though.

As always, amazing video. In 20:30 ''billions of lifes'', i think in borderlands universe is probably more to trillions tbh

This might not happen in Bl4, but what if we get to play as the leech as that game's Siren? I could see them having a similar skill tree to the graveborn from wonderland but without dark magic and having it be some sort of passive life steal. I could see it being a cool idea but it all depends on when the game takes place compared to Bl3. They probably won't but I'd like to see it at some point

It’s actually only 6 sirens alive at once, the7th one is kept a secret that was specifically lost to time

Aren't Sirens drawn to each other, and that's how they keep ending up so close in proximity? Could be how Tannis ended up with Angel's powers. There were already two Sirens on Pandora, five if we include Steele, Amara and the twins (sharing one power) albeit different timelines. Angel's powers could have transferred to Tannis because that's where the majority of Siren energy was accumulating.

I could see Phaseleech being used by a future siren vault hunter. Maybe a young former COV member that became disillusioned after Tyreen's death? If they were to put more emphasis on the VH's actual impact in the story, I could see that being a unique plot point. Perhaps Tannis, Ava, and Amara are all far more distrusting of this VH cause of both of those reasons.

I honestly don't think that their powers are actually evolving. I think it's more likely that they are simply gaining a deeper understanding of their powers and simply realizing that they can do these things. Amara with her focus on training physically makes sense that she would obtain these uses for her powers as she's all about pushing her limits. Honestly I think anyone with those powers could do those this as long as they were properly "in tune" with their specific powerset.

I think tannis may have inherited the angel power directly or indirectly from her, the first would be some form of a part of the angel consciousness that existed in some other form either as some kind of spirit or artificial intelligence, in a fight for sanctuary in BL2 in a side quest tannis asks us to search part of the technology that jack used to control angel's power and we ended up finding a camera like the one in angel core although he only managed to get data begging lilith who she wanted destroyed all that since it was a memory of how jack manipulated her daughter for years, at the moment that we are downloading the data, the angel's face appears for a few moments on the console while we download the data, maybe in a certain way his consciousness was linked to all that or maybe it was a digital double like the AI ​​based on jack el Handsome, the other would be that angel's power was strongly linked to angel's past as the technology that jack created to control it, maybe when studying about angel and jack's technology, angel's power was guided to her.

I think it's worth mentioning that the dev team described lilths phase ability like lord of the rings the one ring ability to turn invisible. Others with the ability can interact with her so that might be more siren power than her personal ability but it was also to explain why pvp two lilths canceled each other out

I think if they make it that Steele had the same abilities as asha in the comics then it would tie together nicely, a commandant with mind control would suit well and when she died, they could have it that they passed onto asha, which would bring asha into it. Also, the references to the seventh siren could also be nyriad alluding to herself, warning not to seek her out as she and her power were locked inside the vault to prevent it passing on to a new host, either that or there's legitimately a seventh siren out there who's a massive threat. Like some kind of Omnisiren with all of their abilities maybe. It would be cool asf if the seventh was the only natural male siren and he was locked up to prevent him having children with the other sirens and having them create new sirens with new abilities that would pass on when they die. A MASSIVE stretch but that would be so cool.

i was playing bl 2 with a friend and i think i saw maya creating wings after phase locking (maybe because of his build, i dunno)

Maya does have wings

I thought it was said there could only be 6 sirens at a time

Maya’s Wing’s show up when you use phase lock sometimes/A-lot