They share that with the Old Ones in 40K Old one#1: Hey, we're getting slaughtered by the C'tan, we need a way to fight back Old One#2: Well, what if we created a new race of our own, one that can warp the fabric of reality itself, lives to fight, is nigh unkillable and can weaponize literally anything? Old One#1: Cool, lets do that... Uh, should we put in any safeguards or an off-switch? Old One#2: Nah, we got this... *(Proceeds to create Orks)*

@@weldonwin the idea of an off-switch button is even dumber than Death Star's exhaust port.

@@khai96x because overheating is something you want to have, riiight?

@@weldonwin Maybe there is an off-switch, there's just not a single old-one left to push the button, therefore no one knows it's here

@@weldonwin No, Old Ones designed Orks as foot soldiers and Eldar as their officer/support units, only the work was left somewhat unfinished. Leviathans were like Rakata, primitives given ability to enslave others rather so rather than improve their own civilization they just kept doing things the old way.

My the scope of what my brain can conceive was forever altered by reading Ring.

Loved hoe trilogy

the big bang rifle

I plan to read the xeelee series.

This is exactly the information I came here in an attempt to remember. Xeelee. Photino birds. I was searching for "neutrino fish". And for some reason I was thinking they and the photino birds were from an Alastair Reynolds novel. I've only read 'Timelike Infinity' and it was a long time ago.

They also made the Tyranids as a weapon.

@@donaldtenney3595 thought that was the orks they made

@@TheRealTerranMarine They made the Eldari, Ork(Krork) and many minor races that have either died or become little more than footnotes. There is evidence that insinuates that the Tyranid were made by them as well but there is no proof that I know of.

@@donaldtenney3595 The Tyranids come from a different galaxy.

Haha, it's funny how Star Wars, as usual, has the weakest Lore. Wow. You can't even call them Gate Builders, their version of Gates is pretty much a Cheat. BUT YOU KNOW WHO WAS A GATE-BUILDER?! THE ELIATROPES!

Wait warhammer 40k travels faster by going into hell? Oh my god they have the same logic as Minecraft lmfao

Loved the first ones and Lorien

The Vorlons and Shadows were fantastic.

There was a clip of Vorlons and Shadows. Must have been a reason he chose not to include them.

@@simonwillis1529 shit, even in this video they teased B5, but didn't deliver. i mean wtf?

I was just thinking the same thing!

The photino birds can solo all the other settings without even noticing.

they are one of most HFY things ever

Haha, it's funny how Star Wars, as usual, has the weakest Lore. Wow. You can't even call them Gate Builders, their version of Gates is pretty much a Cheat. BUT YOU KNOW WHO WAS A GATE-BUILDER?! THE ELIATROPES!

ever heard of the Downstreamers?.... not rooting for that collection of [Flowers], but just a thought.

Ah you were able to put into words what needed to be corrected! Kudos!

@@patrikmodrovsky1842 what does “HFY” mean?

Exactly what I thought. I think they honestly predate the universe itself with the way Lovecraft introduced their lore to literature.

They're more of a horror mythos rather than sci fi so I can understand them not being on the list. They are gods, in the literal sense, and not an alien species.

@@lucasriley874 - Lovecraft was writing before science fiction had gelled as a distinct genre. Even so, the various beings were described as coming from space, and science played a very important part: reference the Hounds of Tindalos, The Whisperer in Darkness, The Color Out of Space, and At the Mountains of Madness, just to name a very few. Later writers such as Robert Bloch deliberately incorporated SF tropes into their stories set in the Cthulhu mythos.

Yeah, and then you have the elder things which are essentially just incredibly intelligent aliens fighting them, the great race of yith, and the mi-go

Dude, they're NOT on here?! That's crap for a sci-fi channel guys, come on. Still gonna watch.

@Lord Admiral Spire It's from Halo Silentium, it seems. Cryptum has a similar version, but Silentium is where it's quoted like that.

@Lord Admiral Spire The Gravemind was saying that to a Forerunner main character, not a human.

I want them to make a game or further build on the story about the war between the corrupted Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias the last war mind of the forerunners....the odds Offensive Bias faced were insane.

@Lord Admiral Spire Haha, it's funny how Star Wars, as usual, has the weakest Lore. Wow. You can't even call them Gate Builders, their version of Gates is pretty much a Cheat. BUT YOU KNOW WHO WAS A GATE-BUILDER?! THE ELIATROPES!

Haha, it's funny how Star Wars, as usual, has the weakest Lore. Wow. You can't even call them Gate Builders, their version of Gates is pretty much a Cheat. BUT YOU KNOW WHO WAS A GATE-BUILDER?! THE ELIATROPES!

Not quite. They didn’t invent physics. Watch the Ingame guy who does the Time Lords. They didn’t even invent time travel Rasillon stole it from guys who came back to destroy the Tome Lords before they could become Time Lords. So basically all their knowledge is stolen knowledge

MATHHEW TOMPKINS Rassilon himself established physics as we know it, he created these laws using the eye of harmony he created and the Time Lords did banish magic. I did say that the Time Lords perfected time travel not create it. Before the Time Lords created the eye of harmony, magic was the dominant force in the universe and the universe itself was a chaotic place to live in the dark times. Then the Time Lords re-wrote the universe to force it to obey the laws of physics they created and with that magic was gone. The Time Lords also by existing allow for the crossing of universes, without them around it is nearly impossible to do. The Time Lords before they created the laws of non-interference were a species that tried to uplift the lower races and found that they destroyed themselves when they did, also they stole individuals from time to fight for their amusement in the death zone until they abolished that practice also. I consider the Time Lords an elder race because of how old their civilization is. There are a multitude of other races, like the desciples of light, that could be on the list. The Time Lords also eliminated any race that was a threat to them and the wider universe's development.

@@MrLupis26 I thought Omega created the Eye of Harmony when he solved the Unparalleled Schism.

@@MrLupis26 The Time Lords did not invent black hole they harnessed them. How could the Disciples of the Light use a black hole against the Beast if they had yet to be invented, didn't the Doctor say the language on the wall in The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit was so old the Tardis could not translate it. Also the Time Lords did not banish magic because Lady Peinforte used magic to time travel in Silver Nemesis.

Motorhawk2 the 10th Doctor in the Satan Pit episode said “Gravity shamvity my people practically invented black holes, well in fact they did” the disciples of light probably used one once they were invented as it would serve as a perfect prison. It is entirely possible that they beat The Beast after the universe The Doctor lives in was created. What happens in the Silver Nemesis could be construed as psychic abilities. The books of Doctor Who all say that the Time Lords removed magic as a fundamental force of the universe and replaced it with the laws of physics that Rassilon invented. Lady Peinforte was from an age were such psychic powered would be seen as magic. Edit: just did some checking, The 7th Doctor says that the incarnation of evil Fenric helped Peinforte to time travel and it was not her by herself.

I. I need to read this

Xeelee sequence by Baxter is just amazing hard sci-fi

These lists are always slanted it says something like "7 Most Powerful ELDER RACES in Science Fiction" when they mean in film/series/games ..its a joke like you said wheres the Xeelee or The Arisians from the lensmen series hell or The Eddorrians who were from a different universe in those books

try Betty White

Definitely Time Lords

He mentions them in their first name: Alterans

Most of these aren't that outrageously powerful. A Vorlon planet-killer is just a bigger badder version of stuff puny humans were using. By comparison the Xeelee civilization spanned the universe and created machines built from galaxies...and somehow got forgotten from this list.

@@j.f.fisher5318 the Asgard could collapse entire solar systems in on themselves and travel the void between galaxies in less then a day... And the Alterans could reshape and destroy entire galaxies at their choosing. And time lords restructured every single sapient race that ever was or will be.

@@romabeg1236 Time Lords ain't ancient, they stole their tech from another race, that little girl/boy that was killed over and over again. Well at least to the new lore the BBC have made. So that makes them more a kind to the humans in Halo, the simply found tech from others.

how funny I just made the same comment JMS started the whole ancient race as far as as I know

Lorien: "that's cute"

@@richardtrue2758 It goes back much farther than that, even ST had ancient races of different sorts, including one who's credited with spreading humanoid life around the galaxy (ie, giving them an excuse for humans with slightly different forehead ridges being so common). But other scifi had used this trope in books for much much longer than even that. B5 did make it an even more important plot point, but he also got a lot of inspiration from tolkiens work (where older races passing into history is a mayor theme).

@@richardtrue2758 Even Greek and Norse mythology have powerful ancient races, commonly regarded as gods, like the Titans or the Asgardians.

@Zerebrat Eightyseven its Lorien, The First One.

Precursors from halo could, and would kick their asses

@@AsrielDreemurYT653 Not even a close fight imo, the Precursors haven't shown capabilities even close to the Xeelee and I think even the Time lords of dr who would easily wipe out the Precursors or the Humans from Xeeleverse could as well. Precursors aren't weak and overpowered compared to many sci fi worlds but the I haven't seen a sci fi race that stacks up to the Xeelee.

@@slickinfinity.crypto8028 there is multiple stages of precursor life (I don’t think basement dwelling is one of them) but at one point they were THE most powerful creatures in the galaxy, and came from a expansionistic race, and by that philosophy, they might have taken over others as well,

@@slickinfinity.crypto8028 you’re correct about the xeelee’s abilities, but outside of canon there are bullshit statistics that sw legends can’t ever hope to top

Well we could also ask why the Q from Star Trek wasn't there, as they are basically gods. Given that they can snap a finger and remove a race from time is quiet a power to have.

Sadly, I think it is styled that way 🙄.......on purpose!

@@knewhunter1 the mind boggles. 🤔🤔

Haha, it's funny how Star Wars, as usual, has the weakest Lore. Wow. You can't even call them Gate Builders, their version of Gates is pretty much a Cheat. BUT YOU KNOW WHO WAS A GATE-BUILDER?! THE ELIATROPES!

The Progenitors

The Q are timeless so may not qualify as ancient. A better choice from Star Trek would be the Preservers who are probably the same race from The Next Generation episode The Chase.

@@ShawnCadieux1984 but the very nature of the Q means that their origins can actually be in the far future. We just don't know.

Yes,he showed the humans how to insult each other properly and and how to use sarcasm effectively!LOL

@@ShawnCadieux1984 The point is that the Q do not abide by the laws of time and space. They can also exist outside of reality itself, somehow, and can break the 4th wall.

I was surprised as well, they make everyone else on this list look like insects

@@robertkerecz7467 not really. Precursors could put up a good fight.

@@somegeek153 did you really just say the down streamers are "not really" in the top two? Lmao the precursors are nothing next to them and died to the forerunners. Gimme a break

@@robertkerecz7467 the precursors only died to the forerunners because the didn't fight back. All they did was run, didn't even activate any shields. And yet the flood ( which are corrupted and much weaker versions of the precursor ) wiped out the foreruners. So yes they can give the xeelee a hard time, maybe not the dowmstreamers but xeelee yes.

@@somegeek153 the downstreamers created an infinite multiverse and can with just a thought create a material capable of withstanding a 1000 big bangs and crunches a second, not even in the same ballpark, star system or universe in terms of power

Exactly. Hard to compare though since they are from a hard scifi universe.

@@j.f.fisher5318 to be completely honest not even the Precursors could do much to them. The Xeelee are after all the origin of the term Xeelee stomp.

except you don't need a ship to put an infinity gate on a planet

Look up the Iskalloni. They're the Star Wars version of The Borg.

Who built them?

@@donaldtenney3595 the kwa

And the photino birds is laughing at your mention of this pitiful Xeelee.

@@Tonius126 the downstreamers are just vibing they dont care

@@Tonius126 the the Great Green Arkleseizure just sneezed everyone out of his nose, by Zarqoun

It's been a while since I read the sequence, but were not the Xeelee created within the first nano-moments of the big bang? If not THE most powerful, than at least the Eldest.

Or creating two Infinite Universe's one of which's only purpose is a Heat sink. As a gift

If I remember right, didn't we bring them to Pern or were they indigenous? Also you might want to add a spoiler warning. That revaluation changes the genre of the series from fantasy to sci-fi.

Haha, it's funny how Star Wars, as usual, has the weakest Lore. Wow. You can't even call them Gate Builders, their version of Gates is pretty much a Cheat. BUT YOU KNOW WHO WAS A GATE-BUILDER?! THE ELIATROPES!

I guess maybe the one thing in the 40K universe that is fine to encounter would be the Jokero, and possibly the Watchers in the Dark.

@@kazaklichborn3923 they were indigenous.

Like the Vulcan.

The Q, the Voth, the Organians, the Iconians. Star Trek was never lacking in ancient powerful races.

@@Doublebarreledsimian the t'kon empire

Meh, how strong are they really when a human with discount jade bling can kill you?

@@AlucardNoir or when there is an entire race that are damned near gods if they happen to choose to live in a solar system with a yellow sun. Except they are all dumb and none of them choose to do it.

@@cgi2002 The least they could have done is buy a yellow sunlamp!

Contrary to popular belief, the Iconians barely had much of a presence in the Star Trek franchise, yet seem to be a popular concept enough that they were a key plot point in Star Trek Online. If anything, the Progenitors are more the "ancient, god-like race" than the Iconians were, because they literally seeded the entire galaxy and dictated the evolution of countless races, but even then we barely know anything about them. Going by Star Trek Online lore, the Iconians were basically to the Progenitors as the Forerunners were to the Precursors in the Halo franchise, being that the were created as a slave race, then overthrew their masters and conquered the galaxy.... though the Iconians actually pale in comparison to the Forerunners in terms of technology. As for the Celestials (aka. "The Ones" or the "Force Bearers"), even LESS about them is known than the Rakata, and much of the information that's known of them that exists is from the accounts of the very few alien species that still exist that were around back when they existed. Heck, we know more about the Precursors from Halo than we do the Celestials from Star Wars.

British Ben was supposed to do Star Trek but he died.

@@GenerationFilms Please is this real? He died? I tried to Google that but I can't find much about it. Forgive me if I am out of the loop on this.

TECHNICALLY the Iconians aren't the ancient race in Trek. The Preservers are. They created the Iconians.

@@stratometal I think it's a joke British Ben does other things for the channel I don't know what he does maybe manage the web stuff

That’s true actually in fact the primordial the last precursor told the forerunners when they interrogated him that the precursors were so shocked they didn’t fight back they were just massacred by the forerunners. No wonder the precursors choose humanity as their successors.

The Forerunners might be lying about that but I'm too dumb to know because I've been devolved.

He did say 'According to the Forerunners', so it's implied that the statement from the Forerunners was biased and they might be trying to justify their actions. Also, still doubt Precursors are completely gone.

@@Abrxas01 They are not. The flood are Precursors once they consume enough biomass

@@commissarklink6060 They are corrupted precursors, that doesn't mean ALL of them were destroyed or corrupted. Completely wiping out a race that can evolve a devolve practically at will and have done so repeatedly would be extremely difficult

Here here. I agree. Why no mention of the lens man series?

glas glas because, unfortunately, most people have forgotten it. It’s been out of print except in limited runs for decades, and the Smith estate bungled its chance at getting it turned into a movie ages ago, and forced the anime adaptation that DID get made to get sealed away in a vault because it “lost them” that chance.

I couldn't find my copy of "Galactic Patrol" so ordered a "new" used one thru Amazon. It's beat up as hell, but IT'S A FIRST EDITION. Sometimes life is good.

Oh! I haven't thought of those in a long, long time!

Well said. Looked for this comment prior to watching video. :D

Sure he's awesome. But has he built a Dyson sphere? Controlled all energy production in a galaxy? Controlled all energy in every galaxy? The really grandiose scifi races are way beyond what B5 was going for. B5 is great scifi at a very human scale.

Ayee~ a fellow man of culture.

@@paxvesania2008 don't you mean Deculture?

@@barrybend7189 what about Protoculture?

@@noneedtoknow07 the Protoculture are not really that old in Macross. They are about 50000 years. The Vajira evolved for a lot longer and settled more worlds than even them.

YES!

Possibly the first truly ancient 'god-like' aliens in sci-fi.

This list is awful...its not the most powerful Elder races in science fiction not even close,its like it was put together by someone who might have played a video game or watched a TV show but has NEVER even read a science fiction book, i could name a dozen SF races more powerful than the ones mentioned here Arisians and the Eddorians being two of them..

God I remember reading The Lensmen all those years ago. Think I will dig them out.

@@wildfire160 Agreed. This list was compiled by a pack of illiterates.

"Uncle Disney will now take care of you"

"You will always be my baby."

Daddy Lucie has milkie for the baby

Grandfather holding his ugly step son's child

My new cash cow. Now go out there being cute and make me some $.

B5 is great but the first ones don't make the list.

Space Battleship Yamato is severely underrated.

It’s possible the Squire of Gothos may have been a Q.

@@chrisstout8451 A child q.

Ayyyy hell yeah

But are the Xeelee precursors or successors standing on their own shoulders?

@@robertmartinu8803 Hard to tell, because they existed since almost the big bang.

GO IRON TRIBE!

@@robertmartinu8803 yes

Gabbleduck from the polity novels?

First Ones

Lorien really, he was the first or you could say Lorien's race.

@@stevieboymkii True, but there's far too little information regarding their species, technology, and civilization to discuss on.

They aren't even Kardishev 2 civilizations. There are scifi civilizations that require extending the Kardishev scale to 4.

@@j.f.fisher5318 there are always silly levels that sci-fi goes to. It's all a bit of non serious fun in the end.

Absolutely love that series!

To the first ones we are like ants. But if the first ones met the Xeelee they would be like ants.

Even in the B5 universe the Vorlons aint the top dog though...

Hopefully they will do a second one!!

@@wildfire160 Most tend to forget that the Shadows were traveling in Hyperspace A Million Years before the Vorlons, or that the Walkers open Third Space before space flight and eventually Hyperspace- By the time of B5 the Shadows were already using the next level of Hyperspace engines that allowed them to Phase In and Out.( I'm more Interested in that Ancient Race in The Legend Of the Rangers).

"Glorious are the Ori, who didst lead us to salvation, who did fight the evil that would doom us to mortal sin. Did they defeat the old spirits and cast them out? And now, with the strength of our will, they do call upon us to prevail against the corruption of all unbelievers."

FINALLY! Love for Stargate is finally coming into fruition! Generation Films, thank you, from a humble Gater!

@Rob Max As do I.

Too OP :P

Even I forgot about them.

@@piotrd.4850 LOL Now that's saying something. If you're "too OP" for a video about the most powerful elder races...damn...

You know Stargate probably got its Ancient race idea from Macross as the Ancients and Wraith are very similar to the Protoculture and Varutia from Macross.

Har-Binge-Ur

right it kinda disappointing me

They aren't fans of much it seems, they even pronounced Amon from starcraft horribly wrong

@@PureBrawler that triggered me I admit. Thought he was ending a prayer.

It's pronounced Ori

Great thing about Shadows and Volron was that none of them were clear cut heroes & villains ... both had darkly indifferent aspect to them.

I don't think we ever really got a great look at the capabilities of the Shadows or Vorlons in B5. I mean, it seemed they had their own ships, which were granted pretty powerful, but there really wasn't any indication of how'd they'd measure up to the real heavy hitters.

@@taragnor what real heavy hitters are you referring to?

B5 was human scale. Humans argued with the first ones and told them to leave the galaxy. There are races in scifi that use galaxies as bullets in their wars, specifically the Xeelee.

@@j.f.fisher5318 Would still point to Star Trek where some of the real OP races could be found, ones where a simply thought could kill of a whole race down to the every single one of them in a smaller time than a second on a galaxy wide scale. And lets not forget the Q's, where a small civil war causes stars to turn into supernovas around the univers.

Welcome aboard!

he also called the goa'uld relatives of the humans rather than the parasite snakes they are, and mispronounced ori

@@thecrossroadgathering4042 Yeah...kinda feeling like this dude doesn't know what he's talking about...

It has been a long time since I worked my way through all of the SG IP. I was under the impression that the Alteran are the "founding" species that both the Ori and the Lantean came from. That at some point many ten's of millions of years ago there was an insurmountable difference of opinions and the Alteran split into two factions. One of those groups ultimately became the Ori, in their original and home galaxy, of an unknown name. I do not remember seeing anything that mentioned if they ascended as Alteran and took the name Ori after ascension, or if after the split some millions of years later they took the name Ori and began working on ascension. The other group that became the Lantean left the Alteran home galaxy for the Milky Way, then Pegasus, then lastly (mostly) to Earth after their troubles in Pegasus. The remaining "un-ascended" Lantean lived on Earth until death or going into the freezer chest for a plot point here or there. FWIW, if someone new is here, the Ancient and the Lantean are the same. Tangentially, the thing that kind of always bothered me about the franchise is the timelines of these races. You're telling me that you can at a whim move between galaxies, and you mostly stay in one place for 10's of millions of years? Also, despite the amazing technology, the pacing of discovery and development seems off given the timeline. Anyway, that is my interpretation, let me know if I am missing something.

Not really, when you think about it hard enough. It's more like, uh, an extremely evil and violent hangover-Precursor style.

You mean devolved into a joke

@@DCPTF2 Eh, it's a joke that was really creepy and evil enough to make people violate their own beliefs willingly.

*devolving

@@DCPTF2 The Flood can literally defeat 90% of all other factions in science fiction from multiple different franchises with a single spore to start. They are most definitely not a joke.

But they are just operating fleets. That's small potatoes by the standards of the really grandiose scifi races like the Xeelee whose civilization spanned the universe and they created another univers as a heat sink to delay the heat-death of this universe and attached one end of wormholes to relativistic ships and flew them around at close to the speed of light (it is a hard scifi universe so physics matters) to create permanent routes for travel through time so they could advance their technology, then take it back in time to teach their earlier selves how to use it as the basis for the next round of scientific advances, and then repeated that process indefinitely.

More powerful than the xelnaga?

@@liberalsocialist9723 The Xeelee have handguns that can kill stars and use galactic clusters as building materials. They're ridiculous.

@@liberalsocialist9723 Yes. The Xeelee made their AI woven into the very fabric of time and space, so that it can ensure their rise from the begining Civilizations that formed in the energies in the first few milliseconds of existence after the Big Bang. They then later created the Ring, which is a sequence of arranged Galactic Super Clusters into... well a Giant ring that causes the Great Attactor real World anomaly (which is scientifically outdated, but still technically sound in the novels). This was to make the Ring a bridge into alternate Universes as a escape route for all Byronic life, because Dark Matter Birds that are to the Xeelee what the Xeelee is to Humanity, decided the Universe would be far better off being all Black Holes several Epocs too early because its prime Real estate to them. Mankind in a future that makes you wish to be in 40k instead, with the apocalyptic dystopian tech to back it up, waged war vs the Xeelee for 20k years. To the affect of just mildly annoying the Xeelee who where trying to save them. The Xeelee fucked off of the Milky Way Galaxy thanks to ICOG coming close to waking up this universes Monad by fucking too hard with the Supermassive Blackhole in the Milky Way. Humanity being Humanity, they expand once more, wipe out entire Galactic Superclusters of all Aliens, and ascend into the Transcendence. Which is very much not a good thing, for an entirely separate essay. The Xeelee then finally take mankind seriously. In short order, the remnants of Humanity are sealed away in a hypercube containing earth, reduced back to the stone age, the Transcendence completely wiped out. The Xeelee are not dicks and are trying to save all life in this doomed universe, so they don't just wipe humanity out, even after humanity kinds made most of their goal useless. Though some humanity does manage to escape into another universe at the end, but thats another story about Living Clouds that have "Exterminate Humans" as a biological imperative, and those left behind somehow getting into a Symbiotic Relationship deal with Birds that like Black Holes. Somehow. Maybe it was the Hupercube Prison.

*the flood has joined the chat* *master chief has joined the chat* *the flood has left the chat*

The only way to win is to lose when you're facing the flood

You sure they ascended?

Alex Mason time lords can't defeat a stairway incapable species.

Thats the issue with doctor who. Inconsistent writting means one episodes mutiversal threat is a joke in another

Also: Third Space Aliens and Walkers of Sigma 957...

None is even a Kardishev 2 civilization, let alone Kardishev 3, and there are scifi races that would require a 4th level like the Xeelee.

​@@piotrd.4850 I know.....The Shadows (actual name is over 10k letters long or that many syllables, I think :) and Vorlons...awesome races. B5 remains ones of my favorite Sci-fi franchises. Very underrated (and there is proof that that Star Trek producers were aware of B5 BEFORE DS9 went into production; Strazynzy(sic) could have sued them but he decided not to as he felt it would be too damaging to them all...but DS9, and I am a fan, is a ripoff of B5 and not the other way around as some die hard Trekkies claim)

Frederick Calabrese who

@@atomicarchive3381 yes