7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag - Crowning a King of the 7’s

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7 ай бұрын

The 7mm PRC is the new kid on the block in the 7mm cartridge world. But how does it stack up to the historic dominance of the tried-and-true 7mm Rem Mag? Will it bully the 7mm Rem Mag out of its long-standing number one spot among all the 7’s or be added to the heap of 7mm cartridge skulls it sits on? Mark Boardman and Ryan Muckenhirn hit the range, shoot gel, and debate which is better.
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@sekaf4125 5 ай бұрын

I’ve lived in Alaska for 44 yrs. My 7mm Mag has killed many mt goat, bunch of sitka blacktail, several black bear, couple of brown bear, several Caribou, Washington state black tail, moose. Everything I shot at died instantly except Brown bear. It took a couple of shots. I could really tell a difference in shock power between the 30-06. I was 16 when I first got it, now I’m 64. Stopped by Benchmark barrels today to see about a new carbon barrel. BTW my most accurate load was IMR 4831, loaded full tilt ( old recipe, newer ones not close)175 grain Nosler Partition. I was so thankful that the gun loved that load. One day at the range I loaded new reloads and after getting on paper, shooting slow do barrel cool I had a 3 shot group in 1 hole half size of dime. Older guy next to me wanted to buy my gun on the spot 😂. Yes. I love my 7mm Remington Magnum

@willrowell3218 6 ай бұрын

We 100% need a 10ish Minute Talk on the 7mm Rem Mag just so Ryan can vent lol

@CMR.718 6 ай бұрын

Watch the 7mm-08 10 minute talk. He rants a little bit in that 10 minute talk.

@Alexanderockport 6 ай бұрын

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@joseywales8257 2 ай бұрын

@@CMR.718What did he vent about the King of 7mm, the 7mm STW?

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 6 ай бұрын

One important thing to note in the X vs Y comparisions for people to remember: even if X is technically better than Y, having Y is typically a good reason to not use X. Upgrading a whole rifle and ammo collection for marginal improvments is a game most people dont want to play.

@user-ys1ki8sp8s 6 ай бұрын

It was glorious watching Ryan defend the 7 Mag 😂

@InfamousTactical 6 ай бұрын

As a 7mm rem nerd It was very gratifying to watch. 😂

@samueldesousa3134 6 ай бұрын

7 Rem Mag is here to stay. Available all around the world jus about anywhere you hunt. Great all around cartridge and affordable. I have been hunting with it for 30 years, my son and daughter both started off with them and shot their first deer with it and I own 2 of them. All these new hot cartridges are great but there are way too many of them and they are expensive to shoot. For hunting, I don't see anything the advantage of the PRC over the Rem Mag, unless your hunting 700+ yards. That said, IMHO, 99% of hunters aren't hunting that distance and probably don't have the skills needed to make ethical shots at anything past 500 yards.

@matthewmiranda3473 6 ай бұрын

If I had a 7 Rem Mag, I'd keep it and use it. If I was buying new, I'd buy a 7 PRC. The 7 PRC really shines as a ultra long range precision rifle cartridge.

@jaydunbar7538 6 ай бұрын

Same, the difference doesn’t make much difference at typical hunting ranges. But if buying a new rifle, why not get that increase in performance? I had unfortunately ordered my Weatherby in 7 rem mag about a month before the 7prc news broke, otherwise I would have waited to get it in PRC.

@WillyK51 6 ай бұрын

Well, the 7mmWby. and the 7mmRM are almost interchangeable and identical in performace, but the Rem available everywhere. 7PRC identical performace as the other 2 and scarce as the 7 Wby. I havn't a 7mm but will get a 7RM. Personal preference. If by the time I build that rifle and 7PRC catches up in availability. will go with the 7PRC. I doubt I will use anything heavier than 180 Grns Bullets so no advantage for the 7PRC@@jaydunbar7538

@bradkoehler5814 5 ай бұрын

My buddy is building the 7 PRCs.He already ditched the Hornady ammo.The 180 Berger VLD with Retumbo dropped his Colorado Elk with 1 shot at 905 yards this year.

@bradkoehler5814 5 ай бұрын

I shoot the same bullet out of my 28 Nosler.I might use a little more powder but I get about 200fps more.We shoot steel plates out to 1300+ yards.Its a toss up I'd say.

@christopherlewis9652 3 ай бұрын

for me it is about reloading. i hate reloading belted magnums, always get stuck cases and crincled brass. never had that with the PRC. i have both, i like the PRC better.

@Pledgeman 6 ай бұрын

Ballistically, it wasn’t the same test because you didn’t use the same weighted ammo for both rifles. I’ll stick with my REM mag for now. If anything, I’m too old to change!

@bryanmartinez5152 6 ай бұрын

That's the point of the 7PRC, it can shoot heavier bullets in most factory twist rates than the 7RM

@galamonkey 6 ай бұрын

The PRC is objectively better because it can do everything the 7Mag can do, but I wouldn’t sweat it. Nothing that walks this planet is going to know the difference when they get shot. 😂

@upinair4990 6 ай бұрын

Multiple factory offerings in 1in8 twist 7 mag now, read up on on actual factory load velocities in the 7 prc and the 7 mag can match pretty regularly. So it boils down to factory/reload and belt or no belt

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 6 ай бұрын

Its very fair to say if you already have a 7mm RemMag, theres no need to change. Unless you're looking for something very specialized 7mm RemMag is perfectly fine.

@dangriesemer3710 3 ай бұрын

Agreed, might as well compare apples to oranges. Gun weight, barrel length, twist rate, bullet weight, powder type, grains of powder, would change some of their results. The shape of the case is creating differences in performance. Might be minor differences, but it is improvement towards a better cartridge.

@chuckkinney1332 6 ай бұрын

I have used a 7mm REM Mag for the last 20+ years in various bulletin weights. Everything that I have harvested has hit the ground, instantly. 0 complaints from me! Picking the correct bullet weight has a lot to do with it.

@bobtosi9346 6 ай бұрын

I would add shot placement

@Mpeterson1286 7 ай бұрын

I've been in this exact argument with my dad. "Buy a 7mmPRC" "But I have a 7mm mag" 🤣

@eggbert191 7 ай бұрын

Unless you're hand loading or want to shoot heavier high bc bullets not much reason to switch at this time. Ammo availability is low

@JohnWest-yc9ol 7 ай бұрын

@@eggbert191some new 7rm rifles are being made with 1-8 twist I have one it will shoot 180 eldm great with retumbo I get 2945 on average and I'm about a half grain from max

@therowdyrue7768 6 ай бұрын

@@eggbert191 If you handload there is no real reason to switch either unless you want to shoot 180+ class bullets

@jackdundon2261 2 ай бұрын

Re-chamber your 7mm rem to STW. OR Ultra mag... Now you have the king. Lol .

@edwardabrams4972 6 ай бұрын

The 7 rem mag had one of the biggest changes in rifle hunting history and for good reason it’s still one of the very best to hunt anything in North America with! I know you young bucks think all the new things are the real rage but all you have to do to make the 7 rem mag better then the PRC is put a faster twist barrel! I have hunted reloaded and collected rifles for 60+ years and have seen a lot of changes but have come to realize newer is not always better even when most of the crowd is on the bandwagon for it! The 7 rem mag is going know where in a hurry so your just going to have to carry a lot of hand sanitizer with you🤔😳😂

@crawwwfishh3284 6 ай бұрын

Or baby wipes because the 7 mm can bring home the meat.

@Not-the-only-one 6 ай бұрын

if you change the twist rate from what the design was, then you don’t have a factory rifle anymore. it’s more of a custom rifle, which the 7PRC offers off the shelf

@ultrahighgain412 Ай бұрын

It's still a belted cartridge which to me is the biggest turn-off.

@sgtpickles1319 6 ай бұрын

Still need that .270 Win vs. 6.5 PRC showdown. Love the series guys 👍

@sgtpickles1319 6 ай бұрын

@@alfey318 Seeing as 6.8 Western may be destined for the lead balloon list, no. In the Hornady ELD-X the 270 is a 145 grain and the 6.5 PRC 143 grain. Very similar drop and drift within practical ranges. Just curious to see how they actually perform as 270 popularity has declined in new rifles but 6.5 PRC is going strong.

@sgtpickles1319 6 ай бұрын

@@alfey318 Yes the 6.5 will have a higher BC given the same weight projectile. That is kind of the point. The 270 and 6.5 PRC come in a similar range of weights and are good for similar types of game. I just would find it fascinating to do a true comparison between a new design in the 6.5 PRC to a nearly 100 year old cartridge that on paper is very similar.

@lk9456 6 ай бұрын

They work with and promote hornady a lot no chance they’ll show that, looks at everytime a hornady product is used… they defend it like crazy

@sgtpickles1319 6 ай бұрын

@@lk9456 This episode is literally them comparing a Hornady developed cartridge to a much older one, which is exactly what 6.5 PRC vs 270 would be. And in this comparison they gave the win to the 7 Rem Mag so I’m not sure what kind of Hornady bias you are saying they have.

@Robert-fs1pb 6 ай бұрын

Theirs always the 7mm weatherby magnum

@TheGunNerd 6 ай бұрын

The prc had a wound channel that remained thicker for longer, I'd say that is more important than 1 more inch of penetration

@nt3523 6 ай бұрын

That's what she said.

@shermanclark9757 6 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@alexandercarlson8568 5 ай бұрын

The PRC should have a better wound channel with a higher grain bullet thats moving about the same speed as a lighter bullet. Theres more energy available for the creation of hydrostatic shock. That cannot be disputed, this argument is the same as guys that want full penetration vs energy expended completely in the animal, there are positives to both. The overall availability to the everyday non reloading shooter the hat tips towards the 7rem. Which is more what this is about.

@Velocity4000fps 7 ай бұрын

I understand why the 7 prc came to be. But what i take away from it is that if you already have a 7 rem mag you really don't need a prc for typical hunting ranges. But if you shoot at extended to extreme...then you may want to consider 7 prc.

@martinfernandez5005 6 ай бұрын

I agree, the 7RM can stabilize all of the 165gr projectiles out to 500 yards with enough energy for Elk size game. How much terminal performance does one need to be ethical at practical ranges. Even for shooting out to a mile the 1:9.5 twist has proven its worthiness. I also don't see any need to down grade from my .264 WM to a 6.5 PRC. With bullets being designed to fit into AR10 magazines for hunting, shorter high BC bullets now available are a game changer for slower twist calibers. BondStrike, Speer Impact, to name a couple can really bring out their performance potential.

@jfess1911 6 ай бұрын

@@martinfernandez5005 Do you have any trouble getting accurate loads with the .264 WM? In front of the case, the chamber of the Winchester Magnums are just straight tapers rather than having a tube-section of tight freebore to line up the bullet is aligned with the bore to take the rifling evenly. For extreme accuracy, the "match style" chamber with a section of tight freebore makes a difference, but I wonder if it makes that much difference in hunting. Typically, a "taper-only" chamber can shoot well, it is just more picky. The 7mm Rem Mag always had the "match style" chamber, as does every Remington and Hornady cartridge since. Thanks

@borkwoof696 6 ай бұрын

That pretty much goes for all the PRCs. They all have more established counterparts and don’t do anything special at hunting distances.

@joshjamesguitar 6 ай бұрын

Because the 7mm PRC wasn't meant for you, neither was the 6.5PRC or 6.5-284 Norm. Compared to those 2 the .264WM has massive disadvantages@@martinfernandez5005

@martinfernandez5005 6 ай бұрын

@joshjamesguitar sure okay, but from the groups I'm getting at distance my confidence in terminal performance remains the same.

@SteveM0732 6 ай бұрын

I have an irrational dislike for belts and have been waiting for a belt-less 7MM Rem Mag equivalent. That is what the 7 PRC is so I hope it sticks around.

@Kross8761 6 ай бұрын

I don't think the 7PRC is going away, in fact I see it only getting more popular. It's a two-way street in terms of availability: the more people that buy into the 7PRC the more companies will produce ammo for it. At the same time, the more people stay away from it the less manufacturers will make it. That's why I always tell these naysayers that they're effectively hoping these new cartridges die simply because they're invested (usually emotionally) in the older and more commonplace cartridges. Anyone that says "I can find plenty of 7mag ammo" is fighting a redundant argument, OF COURSE it's going to be more common, it's been around for 60 years, but that doesn't mean the PRC isn't better.

@Not-the-only-one 6 ай бұрын

Peterson is planning on making brass for the 7PRC

@Saa45MIV 6 ай бұрын

My hunting load in the 7 rem mag is the 175 grain hornady eldx at 2960 fps. It’s out of a 1:9 twist Remington 700 and groups 3/4 of an inch @100 yds.. that’s pretty much identical performance to the PRC.

@BadKarma.- 6 ай бұрын

Close, but not quiet as you could get the speed with a shorter barrel. The PRC mainly shines in the 180-195gr bullets and being a better factory rifle due to the tighter tolerances with the cartridge. If you are a custom rifle and reloadin kinda guy then there isn't really a reason to look at the PRC right now if you have a 7RM or 7WSM

@steffen707- 6 ай бұрын

Every Michigan deer gun season I catch up on like 15 hours of Vortex videos. Love you guys!😂❤🎉

@interestingvideosofinteres5136 6 ай бұрын

This channel should honestly have another 100k subscribers. It’s great.

@thevoyageur2152 6 ай бұрын

Love the 7mm Rem Mag, I reload so choices are only limited by rifle twist and my Thompson shoots 175gr fine. If buying new I would be all over the 7MM PRC, especially as a Handloader. Great Vlog guys.

@martinfernandez5005 6 ай бұрын

The new Remington 700 in 7RM is now a 1:8 twist

@Thepaintballinfool 6 ай бұрын

7 rem mag is a fucking stud cartridge

@benaxley2533 6 ай бұрын

If I was going in the store to buy one or the other I would probably still go with the 7 rem mag. It’s tried, true and more readily available which means a lot in todays world. Both will kill out to 500 yards easily

@johnkader1176 6 ай бұрын

Mark and Ryan are perfect hosts for these comparisons. Very entertaining guys!

@rkwjunior2298 6 ай бұрын

That wound channel on the first gel test was a big win for the 7prc, much wider.

@davidrdanner4232 6 ай бұрын

❤ The 7 mm Rem Mag. I bought it in the early 1980’s . Very hard to switch to almost the same thing when the 7 mm Rim Mag does everything I need it to do. 👉WIN👈🙂

@linaleahgarcia1516 6 ай бұрын

7PRC is an all-around better cartridge that nobody truly needs 'right now' unless you're not only a reloader but can (a) actually get your hands on the components and (b) are quite proficient at it. 7PRC is a not a 'let me learn how to reload' kind of caliber. That's why 7RM still holds the title and the crown. Having said that, I am definitely getting one so I can hunt when I can't hit (or find) a 1200+ range and vice-verse. The 7PRC does both exceedingly well, but you can't do both (or enjoy doing it) if you start counting rounds... that means you only have enough to 'kind of' enjoy your hobby. I love my 6.5CM and have enough ammo to not worry about sending a couple hundred down range weekend after weekend. If I had a 6.5PRC I'd probably think .... 'well, I'll bring 1 box today .....'. Not fun at all. As for hunting, 7RM gets it done well out to 600+ yds (with ease) and my average shot has always been 150-200 yards.

@Joel_Unbound 6 ай бұрын

This 💯

@scottzagger 6 ай бұрын

7RM is fine, but I don’t see why anyone would pick it over a PRC now.

@edwardabrams4972 6 ай бұрын

@@scottzaggergo out and try to find ammo for the PRC and you just answered your Own question and look at the price difference! Try picking up the brass to reload it as well!

@orr89rocz 6 ай бұрын

You guys really shoot hundreds of rounds every weekend with bolt guns? In these calibers?Wow. How many barrels a year you go thru

@linaleahgarcia1516 6 ай бұрын

I have friends that burn 100-200rnds p/week. Yeah, changing barrels is part of the hobby .. it's like buying a new running shoe every 6 months.@@orr89rocz

@evanwindom Ай бұрын

If you don't already have a 7mm, it makes sense to consider the PRC. If you already have a 7mm RM, it probably doesn't make sense to jump ship.

@paulnelson9907 6 ай бұрын

Long time user of 7mm RM and not going to change last year loaded up 100 rounds of ammo for it and it will last me 5 years. Elk, deer, antelope, hogs and Bear have dropped with it in the 40 years I have owned it with one barrel change about 10 years ago (change it to a 8.5 twist) moose and brown bear on my bucket list for it!

@crawwwfishh3284 6 ай бұрын

I’ve killed three bears with my 1994 rem 7 mm they don’t run.

@spektr540hemi 6 ай бұрын

Unless you are competitive or hunting 2-legs, at long range, the 7mmRemMag is and will remain the overall winner for several decades to come...not to mention SHTF field pick-up/resupply for those that perhaps want/need to consider those scenarios. Still, the 7PRC IS DEAD SEXY and l WANT ONE !!

@treasurestatetarantulas406 6 ай бұрын

Yesssss! Stoked to watch this.

@treasurestatetarantulas406 6 ай бұрын

What a let down

@MrJtin69 6 ай бұрын

Love this channel and everything about yall

@bradenhickman9154 6 ай бұрын

The 7 rem mag is the only magnum cartridge where you just say what caliber it is and people think of that specific cartridge it is THE 7 MAG

@j.r.6271 7 ай бұрын

7x57/7mm-08 is/are king obviously!!!

@joshjamesguitar 6 ай бұрын

.284 Win based wildcats are king, like the Shehane

@freedomlover425 6 ай бұрын

I wish you guys would chrono them. There's a big thread on Rokslide of guys posting barrel length and velocities with 7prc factory ammo. The initial Hornady ammo was giving all sorts of pressure signs including blowing primers out. More recent Hornady ammo does not have pressure signs but is running very slow closer to 2750-2800 vs the box claimed 3,000 with the 175eldx. Federal Terminal ascent seems to be performing better with the same 175eldx running in the 29xx range and no pressure signs.

@nt3523 6 ай бұрын

So, it's a bigger version of a 6.5 creedmoor.

@rook2759 4 ай бұрын

That slap was hilarious.

@warddanger 6 ай бұрын

Professor Ryan has never let me down

@edwardanderson6152 6 ай бұрын

If we are going to talk about 7 MM's, 7MM RUM, and 7 SAUM. Like the 7 MM Rem Mag, .30-06, and other older cartridges it's hard to get hunters to change when something works.

@nt3523 6 ай бұрын

Finally, someone with sense. I love my 7Rum. Been loading and shooting it for years. I have dialed a load that shoots 1/2 moa. The only other 7 that even intrigues me is the 28 Nosler, which, if I wasn't so biased, is the true king of the 7's.

@jaydunbar7538 6 ай бұрын

@@nt3523 problem with the nosler is it’s inefficient use of that powder, it’s well past the point of diminishing returns. It may be the king, but with the tax so high to shoot it it will remain a novelty cartridge. Not saying I don’t want one, but I treat guns like Pokémon and want one of each lol

@kitwennersten9071 6 ай бұрын

Same here, I have both the 7Mag and the 7WSM. The PRC looks interesting, but until the industry catches up with components, it would appear buying that stuff will almost break the bank, compared to the amount of bullets, cases, etc readily available for the 7Mag. Love my 7WSM, but it surely was eclipsed by the 270WSM. But in all honestly both 7's have never had an animal that didn't just drop when hit, especially deer using the 140gr Accubond.

@spencerhubble2307 5 ай бұрын

I've got both and have buddies with 2 different 7prc manufacturers. None of us can get over 2900 with factory eldx ammo so the box got published with an estimated velocity. I've searched all over KZfaq and can't find anyone getting near 3000. My 7rem is in a 26 in barrel but gets 3035 avg velocity wirh 162s. It's about a wash, but the 162s are flatter to 1000 yards.

@Snailz5 6 ай бұрын

I wonder if the fatter case body helps with recoil feel for the 7 PRC. I’ve seen the same observation elsewhere and in this test it was with almost identical rifles. Practically the same energy, but the 7 PRC has the force spread over a wider area and that results in more of a push than a snap. I think that would mean recoil favors the 7 PRC as recoil velocity and felt recoil matter more than just overall energy.

@robertcollura7236 6 ай бұрын

The scooters are a pretty hilarious touch haha

@nrh7ten892 3 ай бұрын

glad this is out, 7mm rem is a keeper

@GUARDIAN.13 6 ай бұрын

I have a 7mm mag. It kick a little more than I would imagine in my old wood 700 and the bullets in my area aren't easy to find. However I just love the damn thing. The sound is sexy and the deer I've taken with it always just drop with me doing my part somewhat lol. Let's be fair it's still hard to expect it to keep up as well as it does with cartridges just made a year ago with how old it is.

@wizzle0979 7 сағат бұрын

Couple of points I'd like to add for the 7mm rem mag: More gun offerings, more left hand availability, greater likelihood of finding ammunition on the shelf, greater reloading component availability.

@mikelbelfiore3769 6 ай бұрын

These videos are the best!

@DavidSeeley-gd9wc 3 ай бұрын

Ive owned several 7 mag over the past 50 yrs and they have all shot well. Since I have reloaded and collected several set of dies, powder, bullets for it I kind of have to stay with it. But I definitely think the 7 PRC is cool and toss around the idea of getting one to re-kindle my love of range time and tinkering load data again. I have finally come up with the way to buy one and still have a happy home, is to tell my lovely wife its for my Son-In-Law since he takes me deer hunting every year! Ya, that should work!

@KB-ld6ql Ай бұрын

Just hope your wife doesn't sell your stuff for what you said you paid for it!!

@jasonharmon4314 6 ай бұрын

I have browning Xbolt long range 7 mag 1-8 twist barrel, I hand load 195s. No replacement for displacement. Case capacity can’t be hyped away.

@trentsnaza3372 6 ай бұрын

Dang!!!! Finally a good comparison!!

@leskrug9266 6 ай бұрын

I actually was considering this past winter early 2023 of getting a 7PRC, a 280 aclay improved, or a seven-rem mag..... So are they opted for was?.... I rebuilt my Thompson center venture 7 mm '08..... I put a new board stock on it but the aluminum trigger guard all the fancy engraving new recoil pad and a Leopold VX5 3 to 15 power by 44.... And your reason why I chose the rebuild my 708 because that is my gun I always go to for hunting deer or black bear in Pennsylvania..... I get sub minute groups with my reloads 140 grain nausea partitions... Which now I'm trying to do loads this coming winter of 2024 with copper bullets...... Because I only shoot a max so 450 yards... So this is what I have to say. You do you and I'll do me and everybody enjoy the outdoors. They're hunting. And y'all have a great day!

@reedpitts9061 6 ай бұрын

You should do a showdown with 30-06, 7mm PRC, 6.8 Western, and 280 AI. That would very interesting to watch.

@caseydoyle6186 6 ай бұрын

Would love to see the 7PRC vs 6.8 Western analysis.

@Eric--zs6um 6 ай бұрын

I'll keep the 7mm Rem Mag. Mark is entitled to his opinion.

@jacksonthomas9311 6 ай бұрын

We need 300 win vs 7 mag. And 7 prc vs 6.8 western !

@hyde4787 6 ай бұрын

Never thought I'd see this video with Ryan in it. WOW... given the difficulty to find ammunition outside US these days wont see to many factory ammo guys run the PRC

@derickbabb3824 6 ай бұрын

I had this 7PRC bug and ended up going 7SAUM it’s just more efficient with less powder burned and recoil. Shooting a 180g Berger Hybrid I’m getting 2830FPS out of a 22in proof research carbon barrel. To be fair it’s throated long to fit more powder.

@rodgerthackeray7978 6 ай бұрын

I did the same, but with a 26" barrel. Getting 2900-2950 with 175's-180's. I also got a new barrel in 7PRC to replace my nearly shot out 7RUM.

@noahhorinek 7 ай бұрын

I feel like this is going to be an ad for the PRC just like the rest of the industry right now. Rem Mag's more versatile. Nothing wrong with the PRC either.

@nuckyduk15 7 ай бұрын

More versatile? How? The PRC can shoot every bullet the Rem Mag can and more! You're not shooting 175gr eldx bullets from the 7RM out of a factory barrel and achieving the same result. I don't believe anyone who has a 7RM NEEDS the PRC...but the PRC has advantages and to deny them because it's "cool" or "edgy" to be in that camp just makes you look like a fool. Same goes for the guys who love to hate the Creedmore 🙄.

@SpudOutdoors 7 ай бұрын

You are so true. I can shoot 130s all the way to 195gn with 7 rem mag with a 8.5 twist.

@noahhorinek 6 ай бұрын

@@SpudOutdoorsyou can go lower. 120 grainers are lasers in the rem mag. If you get the lighter-than-120gr Hammers, you can basically throw lightning at things. Then, as you said, you can also shoot the 195s very well.

@joshsinglefooter 6 ай бұрын

@@SpudOutdoorsmost are "Standard" 9.5 twist. That is a problem.

@jfess1911 6 ай бұрын

Well, if you bothered to watch the video, the Rem Mag won.

@abetroyer9446 3 ай бұрын

A very important aspect of versatility that wasn’t mentioned is the heavier projectiles and greater inefficiency on ranges out to 1000 yards, out to 500 they’re neck and neck, beyond that the PRC begins to edge ahead.

@jacksonanderson540 6 ай бұрын

In the gel test there is a little bit longer thicker more devastating wound cavity for the 7 PRC it looks like to me

@kenbrake2828 2 ай бұрын

What are the 6 available rounds chambered in 7PRC that were alluded to in this video?

@brianclair1323 6 ай бұрын

My 7 rem mag does everything I need it to do. For most practical hunting purposes, the 7 mag will take care of all the hunting needs for me. If I need something more to hunt fang and claw, i will jump to a 30 cal or 338 cal catridge.

@crawwwfishh3284 6 ай бұрын

It will take anything in America.

@eviseratorkyle 6 ай бұрын

I think the biggest advantage is in reloading. Not having that belt will make it easier

@billhendon1017 6 ай бұрын

Yes 7 mag !! Love it !

@MrHuntermikey 6 ай бұрын

This was a awesome podcast

@VortexNation 5 ай бұрын

Thanks and Go Hawks! Mark B.

@justinflud3415 6 ай бұрын

Difference in cost for the same boxes or ammo?

@craiglafosse8086 6 ай бұрын

Both cartridges are great and both have a place. If you have one then you dont need the other. 7prc vs 6.8 western or 6arc vs 6.5 grendal.

@rpmorrisjr 7 ай бұрын

If you can’t handload, and you enjoy a limited selection of factory ammunition firing junk bullets, then 7PRC is definitely for you.

@traviscormier7913 6 ай бұрын

Love to see this comparison with Berger bullets

@Joel_Unbound 6 ай бұрын

7RM with more options and does comparable to the 7PRC. So unless you want or need a 7PRC then 7RM all day 👑. And btw i love all the 284 options. I owned a 7mm08, 7mm RM. And I currently own a 28 nosler.

@jrod4717 6 ай бұрын

308 was suppose to make 30-06 obsolete. Guess whats still sitting on the ammo shelf next to 308...

@fono15200 6 ай бұрын

As someone that just chose between the two. I have firearms on both size sides, but wanted a 7mm for fun, a middle ground, and well..just cause I wanted one. There was no contest in choosing the 7PRC over the 7mm Rem Mag. I have to agree though..if you already have one, there is no reason to go buy a 7PRC, unless you are just wanting a 7mm specifically for long range shooting. I'd go with a tie over all, but over the years the PRC will become the winner. A good challenge.. 6.8 Western v 7MM PRC

@BLINDDOGG357 6 ай бұрын

There has been a lot of “the latest & greatest” but there is a reason that the the 7 rem mag, 300wm, 30.06 & 270 are still around You can walk into any store and pick up a rifle and or a box of ammo for these guns. Try to find a box of 7 PRC at “Bob’s Bait & Tackle” BFE Idaho! Good luck!

@GunsAndGrenache 6 ай бұрын

the barrel on the rifle chambered in 7 rem mag was longer?

@jayjdietrich Ай бұрын

7mm Rem Mag is going to be around a long, long time from now.

@Chris-liwymi 6 ай бұрын

I am glad to hear you say it because my seven PRC feels like it shoots softer than what people I have stated it should it feels softer than shooting my 308 Gascon

@grantkarr3445 6 ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this…..

@moeljas 6 ай бұрын

MY REM MAG HAS NEVER LET ME DOWN.

@RichardRowe-sx8lf 5 ай бұрын

Looking into a rifle chambered in 7mm, I noticed the PRC tends to have a shorter barrel length than the Rem Mag. Considering the rise in suppressor usage, it could definitely be a factor for people buying new rifles.

@strat1080 3 ай бұрын

I disagree with the premise that the 7mm RM will be a relic. The 7 PRC will be the relic along with the 300 PRC. They just don’t really do anything that their older belted predecessors can’t. If you’re a hunter it’s just really hard to justify buying a rifle chambered for a hot new round that is a marginal improvement over existing cartridges with the glaring downfall of sparse ammo supply. You really have to think about whether or not you can get ammo if you ho on a hunting trip and forgot your ammo or handloads. That’s one thing that will always be in the back of my mind. I’ve done it before. I’ve driven 4 hours away on a hunting trip and realized I forgot my hunting cartridges. You’re not going to find these fancy PRC cartridges at a bait and tackle shop in a small town in Montana.

@eddielombera5862 3 ай бұрын

As a hand loader who hunts, if I really wanted an improvement in performance I’d go for a 28 nosler period. Both the 7rem and 7prc need to be handloaded, and both need 26in barrels to see their true potential; even then they’re pretty much identical.

@Dillondeitz 6 ай бұрын

I love 7mm’s. I have a killer 280 ai and just picked up a new bergara in 7PRC

@TMFShooting 6 ай бұрын

Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

@lorenkrug 6 ай бұрын

200 yds or less is a long range shot for 95-99% of us hunters

@crawwwfishh3284 6 ай бұрын

Where I live your lucky to find a far enough shot that a 30 30 wouldn’t work but if u wish to not track them. 7 REM mag. They never run.

@Wilt11-14 6 ай бұрын

I appreciate the belt less design, but I'm really loving the short action magnums. Wish the 7 prc had just been a necked up 6.5 prc. May build a wildcat of that one day.

@orr89rocz 6 ай бұрын

7-6.5 prc is gaining popularity as a good F class cartridge. It seems to be very accurate like the 284’s

@donmarshall4888 2 ай бұрын

As one guy said, “if you already have a mag, spending money for the PRC makes no sense. Not really enough difference to justify. The one advantage I see on the PRC is not dealing with a belted case. Otherwise, eh.

@darrylpacholko5495 6 ай бұрын

Consider that now rifle makers like browning are producing 1&8 twist rifles in the 7mm rem mag. With bullets that will correspond to the twist rate for the rem mag, how much difference is their? If you are building or buying a 7 in 5 years when there is more ammunition availability, i would probably go with the PRC.

@longrangeautist6117 6 ай бұрын

I can’t wait for the comments of the fudds absolutely losing their shit because their identity is so deeply tied to their cartridge of choice. 😂

@dudewekowski744 6 ай бұрын

They should do some little rounds. Like grendel, arc .223 etc.

@jfess1911 6 ай бұрын

The 7mm Rem Mag was already a very good cartridge with modern "match style" (freebore + throat) design. TBH, I have been a little surprised that the 7 PRC gained popularity so fast. I was really hoping that the Hornady's new 7mm cartridge would have been half-way between the 7mm-08 and 7 Rem Mag in powder capacity while still allowing long-high BC bullets (maybe using the 300 RCM case). That would have given it the same effective range as the 7 Rem Mag with less recoil. It would be closer to the 7mm-6.5 PRCW that is doing well in competition.

@freedomlover425 6 ай бұрын

Sounds like 280ai would float your boat?

@jfess1911 6 ай бұрын

@@freedomlover425 I don't really need either, but the geek in me prefers the very slight improvement in accuracy and efficiency with the 7PRCW. I like the shorter-fatter case and improved chamber. The 280 AI stuck with the original 280 chamber in front of the case neck so existing 280 barrels could just be easily modified. The 1950's 280 was Remington's last cartridge using the older chamber design before adopting the "match-style" with freebore a few years later (with the 7mm Rem Mag and all subsequent cartridges).

@joshjamesguitar 6 ай бұрын

Sounds like you need a .284 Shehane@@jfess1911

@razz_nz4143 20 күн бұрын

Look at the initial internal shock depth of the gel test. The prc has visually a lot more. I think that that shock and damage is what kills

@ravenreader4772 6 ай бұрын

Forget the 280 Ackley. I want a 280 based 7mm Creedmoor !!!

@jfess1911 6 ай бұрын

For hunting, that would be great. Competitors like Erik Cortina recently have been using the 7mmPRCW, based on the 6.5 PRC case which gives closer to 280 AI performance, but with higher BC bullets.

@joshjamesguitar 6 ай бұрын

That pretty much already exists as the .284 Shehane or .284 Wheeler or even the 7mmPRCW

@ravenreader4772 6 ай бұрын

@@joshjamesguitar but are any of them SAMI approved with the backing of a major ammo company like say Hornady...

@deano6874 Ай бұрын

Is the belt an issue when reloading? Asking for a friend 😁

@bp8023 6 ай бұрын

Don’t buy a PRC if you already have the rem mag. If not, buy the PRC.

@HB-kp6rl 6 ай бұрын

Yall should’ve got one of the hornady dudes for this. The 7prc is a stud

@WyitAlan 6 ай бұрын

I'm a die hard .284 caliber fan. I absolutely love my 7rem mag and am working on a 280AI build right now. All that being said, I think that the 7prc will soon over take both cartridges, especially once other manufacturers, like Barnes, Nosler, and Berger get on board. A 168 LRX in a factory load would be phenomenal do all round.

@AussieInCA11 6 ай бұрын

I'm rebarrelling my 7rem mag to 7prc and planning to load up 168gr lrx bullets. Should be a cracker 🤞

@WyitAlan 6 ай бұрын

@AussieInCA11 I debated doing the same thing with mine. Decided to stick with the 7mag mostly because I have so many components for it. I could probably shoot the barrel out on another 2 or 3 rifles and still have some left! I'll likely add a 7prc in the next year or two though once I finish up other projects. Gotta complete the whole PRC collection

@cheatinggravity173 6 ай бұрын

If you're only shooting 168 grain bullets is the faster prc twist rate needed? Or would you just be after more speed? I've been shooting 162 terminal ascents and my 7 mag loves them.

@AussieInCA11 6 ай бұрын

@@cheatinggravity173 168gr copper are longer, 7 mag doesn't stabilize them very well 1:8 is recommended

@WyitAlan 6 ай бұрын

@cheatinggravity173 copper bullets are different entirely, to get that heavy they need to be significantly longer and this causes a couple issues. Issue one being that longer bullets don't stabilize the same, think of comparing the 168gr LRX to a 195gr Berger EOL. Same as the 145 LRX would likely compare to a 168 accubond or something similar. The second problem you'll run into is COL. Given that the 7 rem mag case is longer than the 7prc case properly seating those long heavy bullets can become problematic due to magazine length issues both detachable and internal. My current 7rem mag is pretty well maxed out in the 160s because I can't seat any heavier bullets and still use my detachable mag. Sure I could single feed them but that kind of defeates the purpose

@killnbusiness 6 ай бұрын

Wish yall would have thrown in the 28 Nosler with the comparison

@elkhuntr2816 4 ай бұрын

What about accuracy from a factory rifle shooting factory ammo? It seems like out of the box the 7prc should have an advantage there. I struggle to keep my 7 rem mag (browning a bolt) below MOA.

@AdamParker91 6 ай бұрын

This is better than watching 2 guys argue between 308 and 6.5 creedmoor 😂

@AchievingAccuracy 6 ай бұрын

2in longer barrel on the 7 rem mag Xbolt speed according to Brownings website (24in v. 26in)

@ed5042 2 ай бұрын

Help please guys. I cannot afford to buy all types of ammo to test for my rem 700 . May I ask for suggestions of factory ammo for whitetail , hogs. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

@michaelbrininstool4515 5 ай бұрын

Should compare the same bullet weights.

@timbjork2098 6 ай бұрын

im kinda intrested in the 28 nosler, I don't hear anything from people doing comparisons with it with any other 7mm's, I hear ya and see ya the 7remmag is great but does the 7prc reload and chamber better? I love my 7remmag but can we get a update that doest have the belt well looks like the 7prc is pretty much what people asked for.