watchmen doesnt have a villain just a number of peopel with different ideas on how to maintain peace

okama king but really do villains or main antagonists ever really consider themselves as such? Ozymandias isn't a cliché comic book villain and stated this himself. His plan was foolproof... He took his superhero persona and went public and became a billionaire in the process.

Sidney Mosley technically although he died,didn't rorscach win because his journal was taken to the press and it has everything in it that proves Adrian committed all those crimes and it's assumed it will be published but I also see where you are coming from , in the end the war is stopped and pretty much everyone dies...Rip Rorscach

+LOGAN Reviews that's true, but the journal was sent to a conspiracy newpaper, so even though it'll be published the majority of people would brush it off as being a utty conspiracy theory anyway

Robert Follows plus Ozymandias covered his track so well that all of the rest of the Watchmen EVEN DR. MANHATTAN didn't know he was behind everything until the last minute, and even then it was too late... Sure it's look on perspective on who hero's and villain's are and in truth everyone is the protagonist of their own lives, but Ozymandias in his and Night Owls own words "killed millions to save billions." What's more is that he basically got away with it with no major repercussions upon himself...

+M94 Production I had my counts when I first saw the new joker, but from what I saw in the most recent trailer he looks like he might actually do a pretty good job. He seems more like the video game joker

I loved Heath Ledger the absolute best joker of allllll time

How? Cap and Bucky are hiding out in Wakanda

Nik B. Cap was just dropping off Bucky to be frozen again, he's not hiding there

Also, he'll probably pick up a new shield there, as Wakanda is the only place in world where you can get vibranium.

Yet failed to get them to destroy themselves..... how exactly did he win then?

Anthony J he separated them, broke them up. There by destroying the avengers. Not to mention he turned the people against them

Drums

hahaha. well done sir. well done indeed.

hahahaha

+myTheus He didn't care anymore.

Bra-VO, sir.

I thought the whole thing was going to be a joke. That which ever boat hit the button would actually blow themselves up, which of course would be the normal people, ironically displaying humanity of the convicts.

That's exactly where I thought it was headed, too (for all we know, it might have been the plan), and I would have found that resolution both more believable and satisfying. The non-convicts did vote to kill all of the convicts, and the prison guard did hand the detonator over to the prisoner thinking he would trigger it, suggesting that the Joker was absolutely correct about people. The ultimate refusal to detonate broke my suspension of disbelief, because things like the Milgram experiment show that in reality many ordinary people are willing to kill others, even in relatively mundane circumstances (while it directly measures authoritarian deference, the experiment demonstrates that people don't have anywhere near the objection to killing others that the movie suggests, as does our history of warfare).

John H -- Then maybe you should do a Wikipedia search for "nuclear close calls". There's been about a dozen times _that we know about_ when the fate of the world came down to one man deciding to proverbially "throw out the detonator" like the convict did in the Dark Knight. We *do* have it within us to rise to our better angels on occasion.

Jason Blackwell And that's why it's one of the best films ever made

It ultimately didn't matter if one of the ships was blown up. Batman killed Dent, Batman was blamed for the murders, Gotham lost their White Knight and by Dark Knight Rises, Dent's legacy is destroyed. The Joker's plan of destroying the Batman was achieved

+TheFluttershyFan Yeah, but in the overall story ark they lost.

+Hunter Brown The empire STILL exists tho.

"awesome"

You're gonna catch a lot of flak for that "awesome movie" line

Yeah man, George Lucas fucked up everybody

+IMO Critic I was going to say both of those moves, but I thought I'd check out the comments first to see if anyone else already had. Really surprised that No Country For Old Men was not on the list. As for Ex Machina, I keep running into people who see the robot as the "good guy."

+Betty Ford That's the great thing about Ex Machina. Totally blurs the line between good and bad for all the characters, though Oscar Isaac's character is pretty messed up. :P

He tried to do different baddies from different movies than were in other lists of the same name on other channels like watchmojo or screen rant

I mean, isn't The Dark Knight in every damn list?

He got executed at the very end they just didnt show it he didnt win

+Turbo9987 Not including him is a travesty.

+Turbo9987 Hear hear

Jesus how was he not included

Turbo9987 absolutely should have been #1.

I agree I discovered it by chance and loved it. I think part of the problem is the political context dates it. It revovles around the idea that the US government want us to believe there is no organised terroism and bombings are the work of crazy individuals a plausible allegation about the Clinton administration but since 9/11 the issue is quite the opposite

Nice one, but might as well forget it Greg, it's Chinatown.

+john mac true!! ledger was just EPIC! and so was gyllenhaal in nightcrawler and he got snubbed at the oscars...

Yup, they left out Chinatown. *CHINATOWN*

Ugh, Gyllenhaal's performance in Nightcrawler makes my skin crawl, no pun intended. He's like a fucking human coyote.

Yeah, but he was great in the part.

Kind of

+Chowder12345able He did, he widened the gap that was already there between the Avengers

Loki from Avengers

Joshua Smith No. His invasion was stopped and he was taken prisoner back in Asgard.

That wasn't his plan. His plan was to get to Asgard. Look at the end of The Dark World. He's the one sitting on the throne. Like he had planned from the beginning

+ShockwaveXd619 Yeah, no shit.

+ShockwaveXd619 Before watching this I was about to make a joke about yer claim!

+ShockwaveXd619 Watchmojo is more popular but they tell so many false facts and they don't even do correct researchs about the movies

Randy Orton RKO We have Adam!!

WhatCulture is the gay British version

which oldboy??? (k or A????

Avengers: Infinity War.

Finally, someone who mentions horror movies ;)

The emperor doesn't really count since he dies in the last one

Herald Stephacont True. A part of a trilogy should never count as a stand-alone movie!

Anton in No Country for Old Men?

The evil witch slaves in the skeleton key

+Straddllw in fight club technically the good guy won.

+adel sabbah the narrator wasn't "the good guy" lmao did you even watch the movie

+Carlee yes I did. to me the main character is the "good guy". say in breaking bad . would you want anyone else than walter to win

+adel sabbah being the main character doesn't make them a good guy. Walter White isn't a good guy. The narrator in Fight Club isn't a good guy. They're complex characters and the stories are told from their POV to make you sympathize with them, but they aren't good people.

+Carlee good point. I guess you're right

That's what I came here to say

in my opinion Oldboy was mostly about that there is no hero and there is no villain...both men had their purpose to have revenge on each other because this was the only thing left for them(at least Li woo jin).

D'oh.

+TheNewMillenium Such a great movie

***** Still the end of the movie so it counts. Just like the Dark Knight wasn't the end of the trilogy :P

***** True. I guess it comes down to whether or not we are look at each movie as an individual or taking trilogies & full franchises into question

savagenature1 Darth Vader's goal was to capture Luke and seduce him to the Dark Side. He fails to do this, so no, the bad guys do not win.

Malachy Lewis Perhaps but he did win on other fronts. The Hoth base, for example was completely destroyed

Malachy Lewis And yet they stupidly put The Dark Knight on here where Joker failed to taint the image of Arkham's White Knight, Dent. , like he had planned because they pinned it on Batman instead.

That was the first that came to mind

I still dont get the end of that film lol

+daneg007 how is a near-perfect sociopath like Anton Chigurh not gonna be considered a bad guy?

+Ving Rhames so good

+MotherAce he's just doing his job. are you automatically a bad guy because you take pride in your work, you're very good at it, and you keep your promises? i don't think so. i think llewellyn is the bad guy for stealing the money in the first place.

Agreed.

Agreed, Fallen is even greater win than Seven IMHO, if not one of the greatest.

was so upset at the ending like the idea of it but him just finding a cat to go to wasnt very creative

They played it off well though with the dialogue "remember this was the time I almost". Additionally, you never saw the demon go into an animal throughout the movie, so it was pointing out that despite all the planning, the hero still didn't think of everything.

+Mitharan Actually that's not correct. You see Azazel in the body of a cat about an hour into the movie watching Denzel through a window, then he hops down and rubs up against a guy who's about to walk into the police station, which starts off the scene where people start singing "Time is on my Side" to him. It also foreshadows that Azazel has access to a cat when Denzel drives out to the abandoned house, and you see a cat dart under it through a hole in the foundation. It set the whole cat thing up well in advance.

+Max D. I was waiting for it too!

+Max D. Did the bad guy win in that movie? He did not accomplish his goal as far as I remember.

user25505 He killed everyone whom he believed had to die, and he got the money he was hired to get. I'd say he won.

+Max D. I'd say he loses. His last kill in the movie points to it.

+Max D. Such a badass movie.. it reminds me of real life trolling you to wake up from your fantasies. "Oh look! Another heroic tale of a cowboy trying to stop an EVIL greedy Villain! -wait wait what? 0_0 Nope, nope, nevermind oh SHIT fuck no nevermind " it's a film that is close to what actual life is like then any other film, it's not about good or bad winning.... it's just about winning. and if the good dies? well, *chuckles* There is no country for old men.

I KNOW

The bad guys don't really win in that movie. Just reveal interesting plot details. Just like the good guys didn't really win in Return of the Jedi, just destroyed one big ship.

Empire ends in pretty much a draw. The Rebels successfully escape Hoth, and Vader's plan to capture and turn Luke fails.

Boba Fett won.

Yeah

laziness..

Harvey Dent was The White Knight, the hero that Batman could never be. It's why Bruce threw the fundraiser and why he wanted to quit being Batman; because Harvey was the real hero. Joker took that hero and "Brought him down to our level". Their level being madness. He destroyed Gotham's hero and turned him to a life of chaos because "the thing about chaos: it's fair."

+McLarenMercedes You missed the point entirely. At the end of the film, Batman had 2 options, either be the muderer or tell the city of Gotham the truth about their White Knight, he himself admits to murdering people and he is on a run ..... Joker wins either way :P

I'm not sure people really understand so here goes, the Joker is on the list & number 1 for a really good reason. The dark knight trilogy must be watched in it entirety to understand the clowns genius. Begins sets up our heroes origins but also sets up Gotham city, for decades it was a hive of crime & corruption. Bent & paid off cops, lawyers, judges, commissioners, mayors etc. In The Dark Knight we are presented with a city a few years later where crime has ran in fear as a bat has been assisting the police in capturing and punishing them. In comes Harvey Dent, the new rising DA that is the first lawyer in decades to do his job right. As was quoted by Wayne he was the first legitimate ray of light in Gotham in decades. The citizens looked to him as the example, looked to him as the hero to clean up the city within the limits of the law as our government has founded. Batman acted outside the law and answered to no one, a vigilante breaking the law just as his victims did. The jokers plan to push everyone into madness or to show that even the best hero could be corrupted was achieved twice. Though the plan with the civilian/prisoner ferry fell and was captured alive by Batman, joker still came out victorious by destroying Dent. However for the city to continue on its light law abiding path Batman took the blame so Dents image could remain clean. Eight years later enters Bane, who not only attempts to finish Ra's al Ghul's plan to destroy Gotham but finishes Jokers, taking the perfect image of Dent and exposing his disgusting evil half to the citizens who believed in him so much. The saying goes "if you can make god bleed then people stop believing in him." Dent's exposure drive the city into Bane's hands, rioting ensues, the city's closed off, robberies, executions, etc. Bane gave the city that final push that was set up by joker thus the clowns second and complete victory.

Bad Bait. Nobody thinks *all* governments are _"good"_ or _"bad"_.

+Yatsura2 You're kidding, right?

EVA_Unit_4A No Im not, this bait was really bad.

+Pyrolight No way! Harvey Dent was his masterpiece. Look at the fallout from it - Batman has to be wrongly accused and chased for murdering Dent for years, putting him out of action. They manage to clean up Gotham using Dent's memory to motivate the people/politicians to stand up to the criminals... And then it all goes to shit because Gordon's/Batman's lie is revealed and Bane is able to take over Gotham and hold it hostage. It's only by the barest of margins that Gotham isn't a smoking hole in the ground at the end of the trilogy, and that's basically all because of the Joker and the fact he DID succeed in tearing down Dent and destroying his legacy. Their lie to save Dent's legacy ends up almost costing them everything. If they hadn't been able to sell the lie about Dent, that's it - there is no cleanup of Gotham, and Batman/Commissioner Gordon lose as the city continues to slide into corruption. Joker's success at destroying Harvey Dent is literally the most important thing that happens in the entire trilogy.

Dan Lorett, beat me to it! That's exactly what I was thinking.

Joker have always win and his victory even extends to TDKR. Remember in Joker's interrogation he said "See, their morals, their code... it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you, when the chips are down, these... these civilized people? They'll eat each other." People started doing whatever they want once Bane took control of the city

While that is one interpretation, it really had little to go on considering the entire film only hinged at the very end. The one thing that the Joker concedes is that the Batman was able to win one battle and catch him - saying that Gotham will always be the same - the Joker corrupted one person the most important person that would change Gotham for good, but now that he is gone, Gotham will never change, it will remain corrupt, dark and destructive. Batman will never win - he will always be fighting the Joker.

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Yes it comes first!! Maybe They mean the order the movies were made? Red Dragon was made after the Silence of the Lambs but the story takes place before

Popcicle kitty Yeah probably but its still wrong lol. And anyway Manhunter was the first Hannibal film made and is the adaptation of Red Dragon but they changed the name so people didn't confuse it with a Martial Arts film, also it didn't have Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal it had Brian Cox

Reece Crossley Then they remade Manhunter with Red Dragon and used the books name as the title. Also this time they got some of the same actors as The Silence of the Lambs to play in Red Dragon, such as Anthony Hopkins. Tell me if I am correct because I haven't seen the film of Red Dragon I have only read the book.

Popcicle kitty Yeah they did, also I think the story is more accurate to the book

Wasn't Silence Of The Lambs originally a sequel to Manhunter (the first adaption of red Dragon)? ;)

Oldboy is the shit! Love that movie :D

+That One Guy's Irregularly Long Username The original of course??

Of fuggin' course I meant the original :D

+Albert Vilorio Thats debatable. There is still that "i will always be by your side" love note from Cap.

I think we're only doing Big Boy movies, kid.

I suppose in the dark knight rises bane completed what the joker set out to do which was to create chaos and bane revealing it was Harvey dent who was a murderer showing that anyone can fall to insanity

Harley Quinn - Right

+Joseph Ben-Obasa That movie was amazing! So much character development!

Exactly what I was thinking. I mean, an entire city got destroyed, I think that's more of a win than getting show in the head. .-.

well more city's were destroyed unless your counting the graphic novel in which NY was destroyed

+Justin Tompkins not really, i guess he lost everything. yes, he got a little redemption, by going bowling with eli, but he lost H.W, someone who was everything to him, look how furious he was, as he told him, he had his own buisness. in the end, he is just a lonely rich man, with no friends or family and a bloody boling alley...

Hopefully you are referring to the original. If so, it should have been number one.

+Naughty Robot Both actually. I saw the remake first so I got the misery from that but the original was a little more sinister feeling.

+MrAndr144R Guessing the auto correct curse happened to you and you meant to say "Chigurh"?

+YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!! Mmmm... Yh... Why not?

Until the next movie...

the Joker always wins, especially when he dies. Its usually a beloved superhero he pushes to kill him.

+Total Badass Wheresh the bombh? Where ish it?! You'd never ghive ith to an orhdinarhy chitihzen!!!!

+Marijan Karaula Wheresh the *trigger

I'm Batman shuth uph! Wheresh the trigger!

They said good movies

+Ani Deco I r8 that joke 0/8 m8

+Ani Deco that is a good movie

He tied it in a knot.

+JOE FAQURSELF probably left out because it is not a standalone movie? :-/

+4ll3sb4n4n3 But TDK's not a stand alone movie either.. They're both a part of trilogies.

True

+David B. You can't take the middle movie in a trilogy into consideration. The ending of Empire was pretty much "To Be Continued". The ending of Empire WASN'T an ending by design. It was a cliffhanger.

😴

+Jack Wyatt Said the same thing to another guy who said that too.

But the batman one wasn't the end of a trilogy.

Jack Wyatt Actually, you need to see 2 to see 3

+Temporal Tom Lol.

you right dude

+Temporal Tom damn it dude you just made my day!

Temporal Tom 😂

true .

fuck off

+Jakub Vetrecin Will Smith and Jeff Fucking Goldblum were American. So Fuck off.

+IceBreaker5021 yes, they are. But the plot of this movie is aliens vs humans. Smith and Goldblum were just two of many others citizens of the world. I'm pretty sure he means the American as a nation, not those two characters (because he said America won). And that's the mistake. But if I'm wrong, and he means Americans as those two leading characters, that's pretty stupid comment too, because if the character is villain just because he's American, in that case won the villain in 99% of Hollywood movies. So LLAP :)

+Phlegm Atic Sensitive Americans Alert be carefull xD

Hunter Brown it’s too late for it the vids made

Hillary lost mate

Unfortunately the good guy wasn't running...

+Ugly Ass "The bad guy" Not "the bad granny"

That implies Hitlary isn't a man.

I laughed at this harder than I should have. ^^