$80,000 - Do You Need An Aft Cabin Sugar Scoop Sailboat? Ep 223

$80,000 - Do You Need An Aft Cabin Sugar Scoop Sailboat? Ep 223 - Lady K Sailing

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Welcome to our latest video on sailboats with aft cabins and sugar scoops! In this video, we'll be taking a closer look at these two popular features and discussing their benefits for sailors.
First, let's talk about aft cabins. Located at the rear of the boat, these cabins offer privacy and comfort for the crew, away from the noise and activity of the main living area. Aft cabins are often equipped with a comfortable berth, storage space, and an en-suite bathroom for added convenience. We'll show you some great examples of sailboats with luxurious aft cabins, and discuss the advantages of this feature for longer trips and liveaboard situations.
Next up, we'll take a look at sugar scoops. This is a term used to describe the stern platform of a sailboat that extends past the transom, creating a larger deck space for relaxation and activities. Sugar scoops are great for sunbathing, swimming, fishing, and docking the dinghy. We'll show you how to make the most of your sugar scoop, and discuss the safety considerations you should be aware of when using this feature.
Throughout the video, we'll be showcasing some of the best sailboats on the market that feature both aft cabins and sugar scoops, and giving you tips on how to choose the right boat for your needs. Whether you're a seasoned sailor or a beginner, this video will provide you with valuable insights into the world of sailboats.
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@mememe5231 Жыл бұрын

I would say a separate shower stall is a necessity for a live aboard. In my opinion 😅 . Thanks for the time and effort!

@PyeGuySailing Жыл бұрын

I've lived on a 40ft boat for years now, we only use 25-30ft of it and the rest just stored building supplies and stuff. We're going to be downsizing because it's a waste of space and I'm paying for boat I don't use. I'm looking at 30ft boats so I find it funny that 35ft isn't "enough boat". It's funny how two people can look at the same boat and have wildly different views on its utility 😂

@sailingUPBound Жыл бұрын

The sugar scoop slap can be annoying in the aft cabin. One step up from that is the retractable swim platform. The Beneteau center cockpits have an awesome aft cockpit with portlights, walk around queen/king beds, master head with separate shower (44 even has a tub!). The safer feel of the center cockpit is ideal on the open ocean. The flat deck area behind the cockpit is great for doing exercises, fishing, storing bikes, etc

@HinnerkBaltic 8 ай бұрын

I can’t help you with the aft cabin in an older boat. But if it’s about the accessibility of your boat there are few possibilities that might help a bit. You can add a wood and stainless bathing plattform to your transom (a lot of Hallberg Rasseys around here have it). There are a lot of different models available. If that is not enough, what about a couple of good steps and a changed pushpit (if that is the right word?). Should be possible to get for under 2000 (€, not a clou what it would cost in Canada). As a boat builder I can tell you that it is possible to laminat a sugar scoop on your classic plastic, it may also stretch your waterline a bit and therefore must be quite tough. With some boats (double backstay and a locker between your transom and cockpit) you could cut the transom and have a staircase big enough to sit on leaving up to your deck. This has to be built quite heavy, too. Your cutting your transom, right? I would estimate both changes around 10 000 each ( €, again). And you may disturb the beautiful lines of your boat. If you love your boat and everything else is right and you don’t have the money for a production boat with a sugar scoop and walk through transom maybe with some creativity you can find a way to make it at least easier to climb up and have some place to put your cans on while climbing…

@ushillbillies Жыл бұрын

We have a 99 Catalina 380 , its pretty well designed , a dedicated shower bay and walk around master queen are clinchers for us.. and it weighs in at 19500 pounds . I feel we got lucky considering how green we were..

@lyfandeth Жыл бұрын

I discussed a failure on a five year old boat with the actually company's owner. He was baffled and agreed that part simply couldn't wear that quickly. When he learned the boat was in regular use, like a charter, he said Oh! That explains it. Charter boats age and wear 5-10x faster than private ones. Beware of a charter boat that has not had an extensive refit.

@Methoes123 Жыл бұрын

That Delphia 40 is beautiful and the price is crazy! Good Price! Shouldn't last long at that price!

@WillN2Go1 Жыл бұрын

You're making a great point here, and I'm not sure brokers understand just how important a selling feature these things are. Otherwise I think sugar scoop and aft cabin would be right up front in every listing. I think I've got a typical situation for that big wonderful sugar scoop. I can step aboard like the Admiral, but as soon as I get to the cockpit, I'm having to crawl in through the clears like a plumber under a house. Fortunately the first owner got a folding wheel (a $1000 option.) "It's manageable, even without those cool features." Another good point. Every boat I've ever been on has some 'issue.' Nevertheless, you are sailing; you just get used to it. There's always some kind of 'fix' that could make it better.... In the end it's a boat, you're sailing, so what if it's a bit more difficult than staying in your grandparents' condo. In my DIY kayak I had an even better ocean view than the $2m homes up on the Palos Verdes cliff. I figured something out about the big aft cabin in my Hunter 456. (I don't know if I've already shared this latest brain storm (fever?).) There's about 4-5' (140 cm?) above the bed. If I build a box raising the bed 16 or so inches (40cm?), I can use that huge space for storage. Maybe even get the asymmetric bag in there. Definitely stow those two big deck pads, Should clear out all the floating stuff in my main cabin and forward berth. I'll let you know how it goes.

@DarkSevariant Жыл бұрын

I Don't Trust the Sugar Scoop. Anyone with a Dinghy, Has Quick Access to your Home. It's Basically Leaving Your Front Door Open. I Do Like the Aft Cabin, Though :)

@saltlessshakedowns4999 Жыл бұрын

If you haven't gone to the new channel Historsea... Do It! Excellent start and great content right off the bat.

@jimwatkins1453 Жыл бұрын

Love your channel! Could you do an episode on lake or coastal boats for beginners who want to build their skills before taking on a bigger boat with further destinations? Many thanks!

@michaeltaniwha Жыл бұрын

Look at the mid to late 90’s Pacific Seacraft built Ericson 380. Solidly built 38ft racer cruiser with large aft cabin, sugar scoop, separate stall shower and a large lazarette. All boats are a compromise, but the Ericson ticks most of my boxes and $$.

@Marshal_Dunnik 9 ай бұрын

You're more likely to find a roomy aft cabin on a boat with a center cockpit, which of course has other advantages

@jeffp2142 Жыл бұрын

I looked at the Delphia and did a live video chat tour with the broker about a month ago. The pictures on the listing are not current and the boat needs work. From what I recall, it’s been on the hard for 3 years in Grenada after the owner’s cruising plans changed. I think the price was over $100k, so at $80k still seems like a good deal since these boats don’t come up for sale often in the US. There’s also another Delphia I was considering in SoCal, but ended up going with an IP350 (thanks to Tim) that better suited my needs. Happy to connect any interested parties to either of the two brokers I’ve previously communicated with regarding the Delphia.

@aaronnunn5240 Жыл бұрын

I have been through this, and still have the old girl too. I went from 32ft Motorsailor 1969 to a beneteau oceanis 400 1994. It was the next step.

@jackwalby6257 Жыл бұрын

Always love it when you think outside the Beneteau, Catalina, Jeanneau box. Bringing up Bavaria and Delphi is a plus. I'm still the older Swan, Baltic, Hallberg Rassey guy. Not buying a car but think closer to a house. Double wides are fine if that's what you can afford, no knock on people that own one. I right now couldn't afford one. But if I have around that 100k to drop I'm going old school top end which probably was maintained by a fanatic.

@DegatagaTawodi Жыл бұрын

Glad to see y’all getting at it still

@rossprentice4975 Жыл бұрын

The split in the mattress in the fwd cabin is for a leecloth

@thefreewheelinms Жыл бұрын

Benteau was always ahead of the game. My 1987 First 305 has a sugar scoop and a huge aft cabin believe it or not. It also sails like a dream. Too small for a livaboard but a fantastic coastal cruiser (and racer too).

@brianrogers6059 Жыл бұрын

Had a Hunter 380, big boat for its length with a large aft stateroom, but not an island birth. Hunter Passage 42 or 430 can be had for under 100k from the mid 90's and have a large aft island berth. One thing I will say about sugar scoops on a wide transom is stern slap by waves. I went so far to actually purchase a fabric/foam device to help keep the noise down and do not recall what it was called. Not a big fan of the B&R rig, but feel the build quality is on par with any Ben or Jen, Catalina seems to be a notch or two up.

@andrewh9286 Жыл бұрын

Have a 2000 hunter 410 with an aft cabin and sugar scoop- love it

@heathersweeney7130 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for making these videos! I’m bingeing them all preparing to buy and have found them so so so helpful! Cheers!

@andyp594 Жыл бұрын

Catalina 380. I would be all over one and will be when I win the lottery!

@richardtaylor4875 Жыл бұрын

I own one and love it!

@Petarstar69 Жыл бұрын

A 2006 Delphia 37 does that greatly for 55k € in Italy and it’s really nice and easy to sail, you’d better try one if interested about that kind of boat

@kenhart8771 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reviews.

@svmagnolia Жыл бұрын

Another great video, and you hit on two of the reasons why I love my Hunter 410! You left out the separate shower stall, though- no more wet head! I'll check out your other channel, and thanks for the informative boat videos.

@michaeldobrowolski5472 Жыл бұрын

Great show!!! way too go !!

@iwashpowercleaning7724 Жыл бұрын

It all started here for me and today I enjoy the blue ocean leaving. Thanks for sharing and being real…

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

OMG

@iwashpowercleaning7724 Жыл бұрын

@@LadyKSailing Today we are in Antigua and going Guadaloupe. I still remember the day when we watched the great episodes of you going to the bahamas…

@CharlesFlahertyB Жыл бұрын

@49s Improper use of "begging the question"

@antontokar782 Жыл бұрын

thanks.

@cases2939 Жыл бұрын

Awesome vid.

@Carlos_Verhaak 3 ай бұрын

You really like those French boats, Tim. I won't discuss they're make suitable marina boats, but should you aim something further..... I'd find it difficult to join your liking for Beneteaus / Jeanneaus. You make a great job with your videos. Thanks

@LadyKSailing 3 ай бұрын

thanks for watching!

@chriscrum7310 Жыл бұрын

I am currently in the exact same situation only this would be my first sailboat - but i pretty quickly got to the sugar scoop and an islandish berth. personally im saving up to the 100k anything under that seems to be a huge project boat - I dont mind fixing and maintaining but i would rather not spend a year rebuilding it from the keel up

@billbergquist4722 Жыл бұрын

No mention of Hunter?

@curtisn6980 Жыл бұрын

Our boat was set on stands for a week, right next to that Delphia. It looks like it may be a nice boat but it is obvious it's been there a while and every system onboard must be getting tired. I'd honestly look at it but you'll need some money to get her sailing reliably. It is not under cover at all. Standing/running rig is sitting in the salt air with how many years of sailing already on it... Boats, like houses don't do well just sitting for years. And If you've never been to the southern Caribbean get ready for sticker shock... If it cost 2k in the US, +50% it for Grenada. Or pay $4 a pound shipping plus brokerage.

@mikegrindstaff Жыл бұрын

I am buying a 40ft+ sailboat somewhere in California in August of this year for three of us sail to Australia and Indonesia with room for a couple more people. I have it narrowed down to a few boats, but it would be great to chat about it to be more sure I will be getting a boat we won't regret.

@steveporter3929 Жыл бұрын

Complete non-sailor here , (but would like to do the Florida/ Caribbean thing one day) so this question may be dumber than crap. Would it be feasible to mount a small jib crane on the stern to help getting fuel cans, groceries, etc on board without the sugar scoop? Obviously this would not help with swimming but I can't swing the 80 to 100 thousand dollar price tag of the "nice" boats.

@mark224466 Жыл бұрын

Hey Bud, great videos. Can you do a video on where to store your boat in the Caribbean please? Winter storage, moorings, service, repairs, parts. Just an idea. Thanks

@SalingSamantas Жыл бұрын

Thank you for leaving a comment on my video this week Tim I really appreciate you taking the time to watch.

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

I do it cause I love you 🥰 heheheh seriously: great video friend!

@SalingSamantas Жыл бұрын

@@LadyKSailing well I know that comments help your ch6 also so I'll make it a point to leave as many as I can.

@waltobringer2928 5 ай бұрын

Hi again!

@markamsterdam539 Жыл бұрын

Nice video

@bigredinfinity3126 Жыл бұрын

i'd rather a decent duck board with davits than a sugar scoop .Uou can load onto the duck board and if it is to heavy just which it up with the davits

@wmstone3914 Жыл бұрын

Great Episode… How about best 3 cabin boat for a family… yes of course any cat is great but how about the best monohull?

@waltobringer2928 6 ай бұрын

Hello!

@dirtyeric Жыл бұрын

Being a dinosaur, I am not a fan of sugar scoops or walk through transoms. Sailed many production boats, but I'm an old school weirdo (currently trapped on Catamarans - bigger is not always better) whose goal is to circumnavigate again and 'accidentally' forget what I am doing when I get to the South Pacific and South East Asia. A 31-38 foot Center Cockpit Ketch with a Cutter Rig if possible. Saving my pennies for a lovely little Contest I have found...

@user-ws7fn3gp3y 2 ай бұрын

Hi Tim, I'm a new viewer and I am hooked on your videos. My first boat was a 1981 Hunter 37 Cutter which I sold years ago. I am getting the sailing bug again. It's a sickness, I know. I do have a question, i am looking to purchase a boat around the 38 to 42 range. Have you ever considered a show on which vessel has the best location to install a generator, not a portable one? I am also in agreement that my boat needs a scoop and aft center line cabin. Last thought, which sails better, Catalina, Hunter, etc. Thanks for listening Dario D

@1cooledge Жыл бұрын

Brother, you make me want to quit my job and go. I do not even know how to sail. Thanks

@JeffCalloway Жыл бұрын

same here. I am 60 and ready to retire

@shainester Жыл бұрын

Very good episode. I’m not a fan of the older classic plastics without a easy entry point like a walk through transom and the aft cabin with a queen or even king mattress would be dreamy. Also a separate shower stall and proper nav station / desk area would be key. You just can’t find those on the older boats, say before late 90’s or 2000.

@shainester Жыл бұрын

*you can’t find all of those on the older boats.

@normanplotkin8105 Жыл бұрын

See a Catalina 34mii Has sugar scoop and aft cabin for under $100k. Many available in the states.

@stevesteel6066 Жыл бұрын

Are you ever going to go sailing again? Thanks for the videos

@anonymous-dk1wb 10 ай бұрын

I live on a 26 and sure want a upgrade 😂

@deesmith5220 Жыл бұрын

can you mount a wind vane on a boat with the sugar scoop/swim platform?

@GrampalettasCamp Жыл бұрын

Sometimes those low priced boats have 7’ draft. Great in the ocean but not in ICW or Bahamas. You can put your own small sugar scoop on..See Sailing Turtle on YT

@6800891 Жыл бұрын

What's the feasibility of fabricating a sugar scoop on the back of a straight transom?

@johnboyes3844 Жыл бұрын

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@Morrisfactor Жыл бұрын

Very well produced and edited! The two 35's are just too small (in my opinion) and I'm not so sure about the 2007 Bavaria (I think they were going nearly bankrupt at that time and so I question the quality). That leaves the Jeanneau 39 as the best of the group (though I personally think that older boats were better built and certainly had better capsize ratios - but alas, no sugar scoops).

@RichardSwinton Жыл бұрын

Please do a vid on my favorite boat the Beneteau 473 . I want one badly. Talk with u later

@Mechone11 Жыл бұрын

351/352 is a better deal and comfortable for a 35 it's beam us 12.6 vs 343 is 11.4. Aft cabin is bigger than a queen

@user-ui3sx5hz1k Жыл бұрын

No Hunter Legends?

@alcibiadesmarcialneto922 Жыл бұрын

Charters boat are so well maintained as rental cars. They must be in running conditions only. Hull, deck, mast, etc. may be worned out and hidden from amateur’s eyes!

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

This is misleading.

@alcibiadesmarcialneto922 Жыл бұрын

@@LadyKSailing Have you ever seen how drunk boaters, mainly Russians, treat charters’ boats? So let's agree to disagree!

@SSBN506 Жыл бұрын

One of my friends picked up a 2007 Beneteau 39..somthing that was ex charter. His opinion was the boat had a bit of ware as it was just used a lot. Most privet boats get used once a week Mabey. Charter boats get used every day so it looks very lived in. But it was mechanically in very good shape.

@alcibiadesmarcialneto922 Жыл бұрын

@@SSBN506 sorry dude, but I didn’t say that charters’ boats are lemons, but some are. After a good survey, mainly structural, I would buy one if the price is fair. As you should know engines on sailboats are secundary, so they are not the main issue. I don’t know anyone that treat rental things as personal ones.

@SSBN506 Жыл бұрын

@@alcibiadesmarcialneto922 I agreed with you... Where did you get the lemons comment from? I did no say that.

@ratusbagus Жыл бұрын

What do sugar scoops scoop when sailing for days on end in energetic following seas off one or other quarter? All design features have overheads.

@philiporourke7896 Жыл бұрын

Great vid, dude. Thanx.

@lyfandeth Жыл бұрын

Flg, title, changing them, any other work or caveats with a boat from non-US ports?

@nonormies2837 Жыл бұрын

Im late to the game as an enthusiast. Definitely gonna frequent your new channel

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

Steel Bruce Roberts

@michaelclark5796 Жыл бұрын

Have you ever done a video like this for good Great Lakes boat? One of my sailing instructors recommended a Catalina 30 Tall Rig for cruising the lakes for a couple or small family. What other boats would you recommend I consider? Any videos you've already done that would be a good reference?

@eknuds Жыл бұрын

I would want a dive platform.

@disabledarmyveteran Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a Captain Ron scenario buying a boat out of country and sailing it back to country of origin. Good luck with that people.

@johnnyd7507 Жыл бұрын

I did exactly that and it was no big deal at all. After 9/11 too. Right after. Immigration and customs were nothing. A fun adventure. Buy from a reputable broker and get a good survey. Get someone known as “a deal breaker”. They will look at the boat thoroughly.

@ulisesvidana5440 Жыл бұрын

What do you think about a Catalina 400?

@free1beer Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t almost any center cockpit from the ‘90’s onward fit this criteria?

@petarpetrov8269 Жыл бұрын

I always wondered why boats need underwater fittings ? I have 5 and i m pissed can i remove em all ?

@jameshuggins7320 Жыл бұрын

Guy fiery light

@joshuabeggs1756 Жыл бұрын

Which charter companies would you buy from?

@nonormies2837 Жыл бұрын

Kinda a mind blower for only 5 ft more deck length. Are we gonna see you change it up? 😂

@jonmorey1760 Жыл бұрын

Is there a big difference in how a Catalina 380 would sail vs a Beneteau 45 foot?

@jmsask Жыл бұрын

👍

@cesargonzalez5376 Жыл бұрын

🤗🤗🤗🤗

@Methoes123 Жыл бұрын

I'm looking at a Ted Hood Yawl 46ft Core 10 Steel and it's Gorgeous! He wants 119,000 .

@WojciechP915 Жыл бұрын

I would like a gilded stern gallery with room for two chase guns. Can I get this on a 40 footer?

@vanessabryan786 Жыл бұрын

Beam yes 😂

@mojrimibnharb4584 Жыл бұрын

Misuse of "begs the question."

@sterling19 Жыл бұрын

Would it not be possible to cut through the dividing wall on the split aft cabins to create a large single?

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

Yes on some models. Others this is in the design and load bearing.

@andyp594 Жыл бұрын

Would you really drop that much coin on a boat then turn around and chop it all up to make what you wanted in the first place? Better off getting the free boatyard junker and rebuild it to what you want in my opinion.

@user-hc9su6qj8s Жыл бұрын

Cool info! Please consider boat for 150k usd budget like 45-49 feet boat. Or contact me for individual consulting please.

@SP-wg5pn Жыл бұрын

I see you changed your intro song .. what happened to the old lady k song? It was catchy who sang that anyway?

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

Hey it was great! I agree. It was written by a friend of the Lady K channel way back when but alas, he was a friend of "the misses" back then. It wouldnt be right to use it now as he was her friend and she is no longer part of the channel.

@theespjames4114 Жыл бұрын

Sugar scoop like a bowsprit adds 10-15% to every cost that’s calculated by the foot! It’s such a bad idea that most new designs have replaced the sugar scoop with the fold down transom .

@tcknapp1984 Жыл бұрын

I'm going to be supremely disappointed if you don't mention the Catalina 28. 20 k for a nice example and it has a full aft cabin and sugar scoop

@HalcyonGuitars Жыл бұрын

If you buy a 30-50k$ boat and take care of it, will you be able to get most of that back on a resale?

@LadyKSailing Жыл бұрын

No. Not ever. Boats that sell well on resale are boats that take good pictures and meet demand.

@HalcyonGuitars Жыл бұрын

@@LadyKSailing Thanks. So basically even used boats depreciate immediately upon purchase…

@SSBN506 Жыл бұрын

@@HalcyonGuitars Covid and a hot boat market has pushed prices up for almost all boats for a bit. I sold my 1986 Catalina 30 for 4000 more that I bought it for 10 years ago. Other than that two or three year window boats always go down in value.

@davem5333 Жыл бұрын

@@HalcyonGuitars If a used boat immediately depreciates on purchase you overpaid.

@simonmoody2649 Жыл бұрын

No , not a chance, it's 10% of boat value per year to look after a good boat .Generally boats in that price range need more. If you keep it 5 years expect to pay out around 25000 on upgrades and maintenance. meanwhile it has depreciated. The 25 thou spent will not add one cent to its value . I own a beautiful old boat . Just added a new old reconditioned diesel and some other stuff . Spent 17000 did all the work my self If I got the pros in it would be 35000 , boat is worth around 20000 , it's all about living the dream, If the were cheap and easy, every body would have one.

@susanc.8009 Жыл бұрын

No, you don’t need a sugar scoop. A telescoping SS ladder on a simpler designed boat will do just fine unless you are very fat and unfit.

@moehornung Жыл бұрын

Lose the necklace 😊

@ratusbagus Жыл бұрын

What, the walk around island beds that you fall off of off watch without trying and failing to install effective all round Lee cloths?🤣 All design features have overheads.

@Spaceghost1234 8 ай бұрын

I’m not even going to watch this. That’s a hard no

@ReiMonCoH Жыл бұрын

That’s the thing really… don’t go camping, that’s miserable. It’s your house, so set it up like your house

@planet4allofus Жыл бұрын

How about my Moody 422 or if you can find it the 425 version. Center cockpit with seats long enough to let me sleep streched out at being 6'3". Sugarscoop at the back and aft cabin , 2 side bunks and v-birth. , bluewater ready. Yes it was US $100K with brand new Yamaha 9.9 and 10' Highfield dingy. Newish 75 Hp Yanmar with 800 hrs.