It’s great to see the All-Set install held up!

The glass box tests are the ultimate for testing various products! Awesome.

I've watched a lot of your videos and this one has restored confidence in my plan to use a sheet membrane sealed system in my shower Reno. Thanks.

Thanks coach! This is so awesome you keep checking products.

Highly respect the effort and honesty that you put into all your videos.

This is such an important test, you're the best.

Great video..now I know what works best for me…for my jobs..thanks..

So they created a new thinset because of your video, that's amazing

Appreciate the time of these tests, and glad Schluter came out here in states with there own modified all set, cuz w/ it….it works; who’d of guessed😉. It’s nice to see brands actually changing procedures when things “don’t work”….even if they kinda don’t admit as to why, imo. Thx Isaac, have a good one bro✌🏻

Feel much better now, i just finished a shower with kerdi and all set. Thanks for the good video as always and great job schluter as well for improving.

👍👍 up Isaac those 2 companies must be so glad to see this because they do flood test for only 48 hours.

All-set has a resistance to moisture, I noticed when passing my sponge over dried areas. For this reason I only use all-set when using schluter for a shower build. Mapei’s Lft has a similar response as well.

Keep up the great work and informative videos. You're doing an awesome with these

Thanks for this! Really great stuff

This was a great test with the clear boxes and two major brands. Your videos are a major influence on me remodeling my bathroom and and tiling my shower. I have been watching your videos and taking notes. I appreciate what your doing thanks brotha. Shaun Manteca ca.

You should do a test with the hrydroban liquid membrane, thats what we use in australia. We use their sika flex on all internal & external corners and wall sheet joins and against all the the aluminium shower and door angles (if its a bedded and no recessed shower). We also use a primer on everything that is to be water proofed, we also apply waterproofing membrane bandage but only when there is cracks, cuts or joins in the floor substrate. Then 2 coats of the hydroban letting it completely dry between coats

Great idea using the glass box for your test

Brilliant testing!!!!

That’s impressive. I just came back from a 2 day schluter class. Whether you like them or not, I recommend you go. They pay for everything, so you get a little two day vacation, but they give some really good info.

Fantastic! Really great information.

8:24 Isaac, if you ever perform this test again, please use a moisture meter on the dark spots to be more conclusive on whether it's wet or not.

the coach is the man

If you mix 1-2 (by weight) Multimax and all-set you get an absolutely killer easy to work with membrane thin set, it’s nearly water proof.

Love that saying I ware that shirt all the time and people ask about it and I tell them my friend Isaac sent it to me and I live by it. It’s not just about the money relationships are the most important thing in your life

One of the product lines we use where I live is goboard by Johns Manville. I would really appreciate and value your opinion on their foam board, wedge pan system, and drain kit. Also thanks for a great comparison on this necessary topic.

Nice, im doin a shower and paid the extra for the all-set, glad i did... stuff was super hard to find and Schluter wanted 300 bucks shipping for 10 bags though lol

Always appreciate your videos! Using modified with Schluter, how soon do you install tile? Just curious. Thx!

Great job like always brother

How did the corners on the Laticrete perform? Thanks for doing the video! You planned and executed a very practical and educational test.

What do you think about Mapei modified thinset and schluter Kerdy membrane?

Isaac, is a flood test still important on a direct drain system? I understand why you want to do it with a traditional install when the mortar bed will hold water until the water drains through weep holes but in a direct drain shower the water shouldn't be hanging around anyways right?

why didn't you show the laticrete tearout ?

When it comes to shower systems, one that I’ve used the most but cannot stand is Kerdi. It easily comes in dead last. I’ve installed hundreds of showers over the last 28 years and I’m so glad we are finally eliminating Kerdi Crap.

Isaac, great video! Would love to have seen the tear out on the hydroban though. Did multimax lite provide the same tenacity as all set?

good job coach

I hope your getting some $$$ for all this work. Get sponsored!!!! Invaluable information.

I've been in the tile industry for right at 23 years now. Started as a helper at 15. Over the years, you get a feel for what are good products and what aren't. The seasoned guys aren't as easily sold as the newer guys by marketing. Which causes quite a few arguments between the two, but that's a conversation for another day. All that being said, the newer guys will argue until they're blue in the face about how much better Allset is compared to something like MML. Allset is really not that great of thinset at all. It's gritty, it's mid level thinset at best, but people have been brainwashed by marketing. And conveniently, you're not supposed to use modified thinset with kerdi, unless it's THEIR thinset. Then it's ok. That sounds believable lol. I'd use Laticrete MML over Allset ANY day. Hands down, no question. The "warranty" is a ridiculous was to get you to buy their thinset. If you plan on doing some kerdi, and you havet tried Multi Max Lite, try it. You won't be sorry. 1 bag can do multiple showers.

Great video, is there a video on Laticrete Sheet Membrane vs Laticrete Liquid Membrane?

Great vid. Can you try your favourite sheet membrane with megalite please? Thx

Love your content bro

Amazing

Would you recommend tiling straight over self leveler if wire mash is used on wood sub floor. This is a bathroom floor.

Hey Isaac, I've watch so many of your videos and wasn't sure if I should use Schlueter for my daughter's shower but after this video I think I will , wasn't sure if a mortar bed w/pre sloped was best or is schlueter ?? Paso Robles, Ca

Hey Isaac another great video. When are you going to give us a tour of your shop and showroom?

Excellent

You should do a project like this using Durock and redguard to see how that holds.

Can you please do the same test with wedi board and sealant? All-set performs well, but a real pain to work with given how "sticky" it is.

Schluter still say unmodified or their website. When did they change to modified and is it or their website somewhere? Thanks for your videos. They’re great

May I know what water ratio applied for the schulter all-set? They allow a range of water for different purpose.

Would you still use a liquid membrane for all the seams?

I was waiting to see the hydro ban penetration closeups

Why do you put the corners on first then overlap sidewall onto them vs doing the reverse?

Have you more samples with unmodified thin set and red guard, both with Kerdi?

Does the hydro ban banding hold a fold better the Kerdi band?

do these products go under or over a PVC liner or do you not use these with PVC liner?

Question: I’m doing kerdi membrane thinseted to plywood, bonded to drain with Schluter toothpaste like silicone, and with the 4 screws and flange like a regular liner. Then mortar bed, and then kerdi over mortar. Do you see a problem with doing that?

I have a really important question. Can you put clear flex seal liquid waterproofing OVER existing tile to waterproof a shower?

I’ve learned a ton from your videos…thank you! I just finished waterproofing my shower with Kerdi and All-Set and had been worried after seeing your other flood test with the unmodified thinset that failed. I bought a gallon of hydro ban to seal the joints on the kerdi-band and corners. In your opinion, is there any downside to applying the hydro ban over the kerdi seams/joints?

im hoping you will try s2 lite by mapei and see how it performs. at this point im will to just try it with another membrane brand that just as thick. ive found similar and just think its the option to go with since they only back up there own products and these others are still giving 10 years as long as the thinset matches the requirements. i just feel like the others im looking into are thicker and if s2 lite or mml works ill use mudbed that drys faster but idk if thatll affect the thinset bond. some mud can dry in couple hours and i think it may be the way to still keep the speed but have a harder bed as to foam bed

Do you think the hydroban liquid will hold up as well?

what I don’t understand is, there was another video with that guy doing tests with samples using all-set and all-set 8+9. The plain all-set samples became pretty wet after 24 hours. What is different with this set? Was that one unmodified?

Love the video , question what warranty does Laticrete give you using they’re products

What about those other waterproof bathroom products like from Vevor or Dural Tilux

Hasn't all-set been around for 5+ years? Are you saying that they recently changed all-set mix or that you are just now trying it with kerdi band because they always recommended unmodified?

badass shit keep it going

I'm about to tile over a kerdi membrane, and as of the 2022 Schluter docs, they are still recommending to use un-modified thinset mortar... Do you think I should go with polymer modified thinset ?

Can you use both of them for one job and which set would you use?

It's just a question to be asked if the schluter drain is used do you think it would hold up to the test just as well I'm looking to use one

Restores my trust in schluter a little.

Test these against the ready to tile pans like tile redi or kbrs...

Great to know! THANK YOU!!! Was prepared to ditch the pre-purchased Kerdi kit to purchase Laticrete, but now i’ll save the extra $$$-Now if we could just get the suggested deck/fat mud in Texas…🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Wedi closed cell, no fiber paper. Sealant will not fail. For me Wedi #1 Laticrete #2 Schluter I buy there Jollys Great Video Though

I've never really liked these products. I use a Pasco vinyl pan liner with Pasco drain sealant and the adjustable 4" drains. I fold my liner(no cutting). I lay the durock wallboard over the liner and use a polyurethane caulking on all seams and screws. And I use HMK sealer

can you make a box out of 30mm or whatever size you can get WEDI board, glued together with a thick bead of WEDI 610 sealant then spread 610 sealeant 2cm either side of all joins (like other systems used band) then test for leaks.. you've only done one WEDI video and that looked liked an older installation that might not have been installed well

Since all set came out I've been paying the extra $ for it on all my showers and you can smell the polymer in it when mixing, I think it might be one of the most heavily modified thin sets I've used... for years, "un mod, un mod, un mod," then schulter comes out with the most modified mortar IMO and says you're ALL SET

Why didn't he do a dry pack, like he did with the Red Guard?

Hate to ask, but can you do the exact same setup (Schluter, modified thinset, etc.), but this time use Redgard or similar roll on membrane over EVERYTHING to see if that completely stops all water intrusion into the mortar and seems? Fellow contractor here. I’ve been doing this practice for some time now and wondering if it pays off. Prior to this, after I’ve done flood test, Ive noticed that the schluter membrane stays wet for an extremely long time! Seems to lock the moisture into that fine fuzzy coating. This combined with a personal feeling that all mortar will eventually pull moisture further into itself, especially in an environment that will never dry out due to (hopefully) daily showers. Over the course of a year or more, I feel your current set up might fail, albeit not spectacularly, but you did say to offer a “lifetime warranty” to my customers so….. what do you think hmmm. Love your channel, very informative, thank you sir.

Three weeks? What about three years? Given they stated unmodified this whole time and were totally wrong, how can yiu depend on this? What about all the failures out there now? It's why I went with a solid floor and hardi backer. Like your videos, have taught me a lot, thanks.

Thanks for sharing, seeing the discoloration in the corners makes me think a coat of Hydro Ban could have helped that. I just received the FloFx drain system I ordered a few day ago. I am building a Schluter shower system over Go Board that sits above a finished ceiling I am doing and after revisiting the 9/21 video on Hydro Ban over Laticrete shower system I think it will be cheap insurance. Belt and suspenders.

Would there be any reason why you shouldn't or wouldn't want to use the entire sheet membrane in a single piece and go up the walls 4". Folding and thinsetting your corners without cutting them. Then, if as a secondary or as needed, use your pre made corners and tape as normal. Seems like all of the water wicking is under the tape seems in most cases. The membrane itself seems impervious, but the water can travel through the thinset.

I did a test with redguard on cardboard box never leaked in 3months its far less expensive.

Maybe the All-Set has ingredients from Kerdi-Coll added.

Would you or have you used Multimax lite on Kerdi membrane?

Why didn’t you show the deconstruction of the laticrete?

With schluter there warranty means everything. Schluter stands by it's product.

Have you tested RedGard the same way?

Dose schluter still hate you after this?

This isn't the test I'm interested in. What happens when the joists flex and move? The glass box is a cool idea though I like it, but also wouldn't work for a flex test.

Bring back the USG shower system

I think the ultimate seal would be a 2 part epoxy bonding the kerdi. This wicking stops me wanting to ever try this product.

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Im just waiting for the hammer to come down. They insisted that I use unmodified. No failures yet.

Every leaking shower pan I've fixed over the past 6 years are these products. Very few people follow all the steps or buy all the products to make these pans work properly. I personally think these systems are way over priced

Very cool test! Man, yesterday I didn't make money, but made a friend for sure. How do I get setup for you to be my tile coach? I'm close to get my license and want to hit the ground running! How can I get up to speed on your best practices, and pricing, etc.?

How do you advertise your tile business ? Craigslist ?

Thank you thank you thank you! I think ur right! they watched your videos and "modified" their thinking - hahaha Is it "all-fix" that is used to attach the drain flange to the shower membrane? I'll go find ur vid on this for a refresh. I just purchased the all-set and shower kit yesterday and now the tile my wife want's is out of stock!!!! phew... I get a break on the honeydew list

Red guard the seams see if it leaks any

Hotmop southercalifornia can last up to 50 years doing right way.

Go for months long tests, a shower gets used multiple times a day every day. Cant rely on a system with such a large margin of error during installation

where`s your moisture meter