Everyone says this, but how exactly? Daryl, Negan, Maggie, and the Commonwealth, got satisfying conclusions, and of course TOWL was teased in what was essentially a post-credits scene. 11x24 acted more as a finale than a "setup episode."

This is definitely annoying but not one of their worst sins in handling TWD imo

​@@TheFerg714 I think if the final shot of the show (besides rick) wasn't Daryl leaving to start a new adventure, especially one we were promised we'd see, I'd agree with you here. The final two scenes (now including Rick) are pure setup, and that's the final taste they left in everyone's mouth on the mothership show. Still a great episode just... annoying

@@scottsspot But Daryl wasn't "starting a new adventure" in that scene. He was simply going on a run to recruit people, which was honestly the perfect ending for him.

@@TheFerg714 what are the context clues to support that? Because if that's what they were going for it was terribly done. You dont make a "run" feel as "final" as him riding off into the sunset. I mean right before, Maggie is telling him we need to expand and see the world. It felt 110% like a sendoff

Fr. I think that issue started once the got to Alexandria and only got worse once they introduced the other communities and the saviors. You watch a community get absolutely massacred with a significant number of people dying and then suddenly a bunch more survivors just kinda appear and we’re supposedly always there. I understand that that kind of thing is mostly due to logistic and budgetary restrictions on TV shows, but it still totally brings me out of the show. Completely eliminates the stakes and connect the viewer has with these groups. The worst offense was the Commonwealth supposedly having a 50k+ population, yet we only ever saw maybe 20-30 people on screen at any given time. Also they reused that one set location to death. Didn’t feel immersive or real

Absolutely, I've said it a million times but comic book Carl is my favorite TWD character period, and the show butchered all his big moments and then killed him before the whisperer arc which imo has some of his most interested and awesome moments

Yup lol when Carl died my favorite comic moments i was hoping for died with him

If I remember correctly but I could be wrong, I wanna say the actor playing Carl wanted to go back amd focus on school or something like that

@@chocolatefudgebrowni3225 that was a rumor, he literally bought a house closer to set and was fired shortly after. Nothing to do with school

That's when I stopped watching

Negan was in isolation for 5 years with 0 pyscho consequence, very unrealistic

@@IIIISai Didn't Rick talk to him like once a week with news and stuff. Also couple of others did too probably.

@@LordKeram maybe but he had 24hrs to himself, times that by 1700 days

@@IIIISai Y’all are forgetting how he befriended Judith, meaning I assume she brought him books etc, stuff to do that kept him busy. Rick stopped by, so did Michonne, so did Carol, and I guarantee Daryl did a few times as well. That’s one of the things about the show I’m not upset about, Negan’s state of mind. You wouldn’t go literally crazy when you have interactions with people weekly. My brother was put in isolation/solitary for 8mos while in prison. He said as long as he could pray, read the Bible and other books, and exercise in his cell, he was fine. Not seeing people bothered him somewhat, but not as much as you’d think. Ppl being thrown into solitary as POW’s is a completely diff story in the real world. It’s much more terrible than solitary in prison. Negan wasn’t an actual psychopath or sociopath before they threw him in there ya know. My point is, ppl who are mentally ill are usually ALREADY that way before put into confinement under fairly decent & humane conditions 🤷🏼‍♀️

@@jacks1bonnielass thats a beautiful story and breakdown fair enough, I guess what I wanted was some type of adjustment, it felt too quick, the shows timeskip also never made us feel the true solitary, fair enough tho, how big was your brothers cell btw

"Killing a character but not revealing who until the next season premiere is wild." That's not what they did, at least not with Glenn. Glenn was only in the premiere, not the finale. You're thinking of Abraham.

@@chippdbanjo Noone died in the finale when they filmed that episode they didn't know who was gonna die, so both Abraham and Glenn died in the premiere, both were revealed in the same bullshit way if they wanted to do better they could have killed one of them in the finale and then Glenn in the premiere as a twist.

@@MLink723 From a first person, we literally see the final moments (and passing) of Abraham. I wasn't critiquing them saying nobody dies in the finale, it was more the character, since the POV we see is Abraham, not Glenn. Glenn's death was handled well imo, Abraham's was the issue because of Glenn.

Na thats not why, the quality literally DROPS after s7 premiere, glenn stans mean nothing

​@MLink723, I understand where you're coming from, but first rule in TV show never kill off your your viewers favorite character that a fail they could of had him go out as an hero killing abraham was right he was introduced to the viewers last

The human V human conflicts in the earlier seasons worked because of the scale, the sizes of the groups made sense. When they groups lost even a few people it was felt by their communities, it's actually a loss because it's the apocalypse and there's so few people. The savior seasons onward didn't care about the scale of the groups, just like what he said in this video. No matter how many people died it didn't seem to matter at all, because in the next episode or scene all those people would be replenished plus some lol. It was so poorly done season 7 onward

Except the human versus human conflict was the entire point of TWD series, the novels. The major theme being that even when humanity should become united against a common threat that human nature still makes us see other people as enemies.

Aw

This describes me a lot too, i was 7 when the show started then i watched the last few episodes in my college dorm, my entire family watched till Glenn died, then it was only me till the end, i still like TWD, but nothing can beat those early days.

Thats when I was done to, but I felt the Show ended after Negan. It just wasnt about Surviving Zombies anymore. Once Zombies where no longer a real threat, it just wasnt the same Show.

U soft af lmao, but s7 quality is garbage anyways

i stopped after Negans defeat... i remember everyone at my job at the time coming in every week hooked on the show. I loved Negan belittling Rick then the old grimmy Rick coming out. Loved all the Savior chars too... once he beat all of them I felt like it was a perfect ending to the show. Next season I kindof fell back more and more also changed jobs so maybe thats it. I just not a fan of shows that go on forever. Thats why i was a fan of all those HBO shows like The Wire and stuff because it was long but not long

Agreed. I quit watching at that point as well. I did finally finish the show last year but it never recaptured what made it compelling in the first place.

His death was so pointless. Carl might not have been the best character but he was slowly getting better near the end. His build up was getting better. He could have been set up to be the man to carry the torch after Rick,

@@austinclark5278 exactly! i don't blame Chandler because he started when he was young and i couldn't imagine myself in his position, but i think that made Carl more relatable.

The walking dead fans trying not to talk how killing of Carl destroyed the show for 5 minutes: Mission Impossible.

I don’t get it. Everyone hated Carl before that, but then pretended him dying ruined a show that was already terrible for years.

Yup, been vpning for years now. With the recent Helldivers situation too, I have no idea how a company of their size can't have licensing figured out in 2024 💀

They might be coming soon on Now TV so there's that

The ones who lives is available now in UK and it’s a quality show (I hated seasons 11)

It didn’t drop off because Carl died

Preech

When negan started crying and got cut i almost dropped the shoe

Yep agreed. You know I hated Glens death, but i could accept his death a lot more then Carls surprisingly simply based off what you said. Carl was also being set up as the man to carry the torch After Rick. Even in the Comics Carl lives on. Lots of build up for Carl snd it was ALL wasted…. The way they killed him off was lazy as fuck. I still liked season 8 to a degree but his death nearly ruined it for me.

That’s why I only like the first few seasons. All that other shit I was like aight ima head out

Loris death was fine, and yall dramatize glenns fake death it was hilarious

@@Whooptywoop 💀

​@@IIIISaihilarious does not mean good lol.

clearly they wanted adversity, as if the show didn't have enough. You cant have white family in a show anymore, that would be too racist.

8. Both NEED an Animated Adaptation

@@damonlongstreet8630 Yes. Thank you. I knew I forgot something. 👍

No

Also, both shows decided they were better off without the creators’ input and severed their working relationships. Decline ensued shortly thereafter.

Thats Gunna the snitch

Daryl was basically the leader after Rick and Michonne, and his leaving is basically letting any villain come around and do whatever he wants, sure Carol’s there, but she’s just one woman and she needed Daryl and others most of the time to help her protect other people

Agreed, finally somebody understands this. A.M.C has & will continue to milk this crap into the ground. Walking Dead needs new characters & direction now.

FTWD was honestly the only good spin-off, yeah it had it's downs but least it ended far better than the original and actual fan service, yes it was also inconsistent and season 8 was boring, there were only two great episodes. It felt more survival oriented than the original show and each season had a different theme and setting.

I truly understand and agree. Leaving your kids alone is horrible, let alone a ZOMBIE APOCALYPTIC world setting, I don’t care if it’s for your love, your children are your life. Ps I love TOWL it’s ending. I’m done with the TWD now, but I completely agree dude

@@justinpatton6996 I honestly think covid killed the revival of the walking dead because season 9 was fucking awesome in my opinion and then in season 10 the show felt soo empty, all the familiar background characters disappeared, which made the show feel so small. Like the episode where Alexandria was flooding, we saw like 8 people in Alexandria freaking out and all of them were in the main cast, what happened to all those background characters like the bald black guy ? I know its a weird nitpick but it made the show feel sooooo much smaller

Only if Amc loses the right. And NOO, leave Clem alone they trying to ruin her enough already.

At this point, I don’t think a new story/setting would work. Unless it was GOOD GOOD. It’s automatically gonna have a bias on it by general audiences by having The Walking Dead sticker attached to it. Also the fact that they tried this with Fear but it wasn’t pulling the numbers they wanted so they tied it into the main show. Comic accurate versions of an adaptation of the games would be good but like stated in the video, Kirkman would need full creative control for it to work properly, which is doable, but AMC is going to put up a big fight and it’s likely years away from being close to happening

1-1 comic adaptation but keep the original actors. i would LOVE to see jdm act out comic negan or andrew doing the “we are not the walking dead” speech

These 3 would be great. In fact, I'd say the Daryl show is that separate story/characters cuz it's just him (and now Carol). A comic adaptation and telltale adaptation would be incredible

On the last one, just adapt the novels. It would be very interesting to see Woodbury and the Prison from a different perspective.

I still can’t believe new bloods ending was somehow even far worse than season 8s ending. It’s actually unbelievable still too me😂😂it had to be done on purpose

Couldn't agree more with u regarding The ones who live. Jadis should've been more of a threat, beale should've been more of a threat and you cut out the cheesy champy dialogue and boom, easy 8 or 9/10 for each episode.

For me I’m just gonna pretend no way out was the end for Twd

@@forthecool I could see that being a good ending

@@rhadpenguin 6 episodes isn’t enough run time for what they wanted to achieve. It should’ve been 8 to 12 episodes imo. And dedicated at least 3 episodes to taking down the CRM and with more help than just rick and michonne.

@@Sev3617 absolutely agree that 8 episodes could've done it. You flesh out the first episode and break it apart by giving more context to what Rick was up too after being taken by the CRM. Then take the time to close the story with more detail and not rush to a close in a single ep.

Agreeeees. Korotos is a hater but we love him anyways lol

I just looked up the ending where Rick is reunited with Judith. It was nice. I'm good now, I'm not interested in any of the spinoffs.

Yup, that's me. All my friends dropped off years and years ago 😅 At least now I have closure for the Grimes family and I'm sorta done.

@Koroto exactly! Now I just watch put of curiosity. I have no investment lol

Are we all just still watching cuz of the sunken cost fallacy? 🫠

@@XavierRenegadeAngel this is EXACTLY why I'm still watching. Thanks! I didn't know this term until now!

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where are you guys from? im curiohs because as a canadian i never have these issues being right next to america, im wondering what countries get effected by this lol

​@@keltongillanders5736no i mean like people who didn't a certain show , why would they be watching a video analysing of downfall and story aspects of a show they didn't watch

Yes, this is a safe space. Glad you liked it 😅

No!! You can't like things other people don't like!

I think of a lot of the changes GoT made in the same way I think of a lot of the changes TWD made - it's sort of a threshold. TWD, for example, immediately dabbled with the CDC and the origins of the virus - something that was a huge no-no with the overall themes of the comic. But because the big picture was still really strong, you can excuse it. Same for GoT, they removed A LOT of the magic and mysticism right from the get-go (like 99% of the Stark-warg storyline is removed outright), but again, because the rest of the story was super strong, you can excuse it. But with both shows, like I mentioned in the video, once they break the illusion, you start to look back and notice a lot more things that you would've previously excused, like the CDC, like Terminus, like the Stark wolves, like Lady Stoneheart, like John being dumbed down etc etc. Then again, obviously this is all just based on vibes, so that's just how I see it. For me, GoT burned their goodwill a lot faster than TWD.

@@Koroto I definitely see what you're saying, twd definitely went against the source in bigger ways earlier and got had a bigger and more sudden turn from most fans perspective. Ive just always thought people have rosed tinted glasses for the moddle seasons of thrones. It was still good but definitely already on a decline, but the last season fully fell off a cliff so it takes most of the heat when it comes to the issues. I completely agree with the overall point i just think there was a slow decent before the big drop, but that doesn't really change the end outcome😂

@@Koroto i think both shows made the same kind of mistakes but twd started its downhill slide earlier and there was never really the big drop off, so there isnt as much of a moment fans turned and people are more likely to forget the flaws before that big drop at the last season because of it is more what i was trying to say

S5 was the start of the downfall. THE dorne plot, Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Boltens and on top George himself coming out say he would Never do something that stupid.

@@Koroto how was comics termanius

Yes . . . like fireman were disrespected by Halloween . . . All the problems with the actual show, and yours is the most pathetic way to look at it. Fuck off and grow up

Negan yesh Daryl was great

Daryl wasn't really bad. I mean it's not a masterpiece buts it's enjoyable. Dead City I can agree wasn't great even though it should've been

I wish I did 😭😭

@@Koroto Looking at imdb it looked like most people liked it.

@@lifeloverNorris people also buy the same iphone for 900

​@@lifeloverNorris Eh more likely that the people who are still watching the walking dead and also taking their time to review it on imdb, are also the same people who are not likely to voice criticism for the show. Walking Dead is pretty much irrelevant besides the people who are still somewhat invested in it for nostalgia reasons.

You can like it but that doesn’t mean it was good

@@TEEANVEE lmao. That really made me laugh. I liked zombies before it was cool. I sat down every Sunday and watched every episode like the super bowl with my friends and snacks. Bbqs. Your right to me it was special. I thought it was perfect. Judith the actress had aged. They reunited. The brave man made it home.

@@TEEANVEE for the record that's the most honest answer I've seen online possibly ever. Lol you can like it but that doesn't mean it was good. Well done.

Comic Negan Arc 97-126 (30 issues) Show Negan Ark 612-818 (37 episodes) Note half of the comic story was skipped/ignored for the show.

@@damonlongstreet8630except the negan arc was done better in the comics

@@8johh 1000%

Lmao

@@damonlongstreet8630 daryl was braindead and caused their capture

Idk, I feel the same exact way about both. Recently rewatched GoT, still absolutely loved the first seasons despite the horrific ending. I got so locked in that I finally even went through all the extra lore books 😅 Same with TWD - could rewatch the first seasons on loop forever, but as soon as I get to season 7ish, I start rolling my eyes more and more 😬

@@Koroto that’s totally fair - I think my tolerance for BS is stronger for sure. For me the difference is where as the characters in TWD became massive Flanderizations by the end they at least retained that. Dany flipping at the end felt to me like a complete departure from who she was. Maybe that’s why I feel that way. Here’s hoping Kirkman gets his wish and we get an animated adaption in 20 years!

@@JosephMichael Nah the first two seasons of TWD had some of the best dialogue in a show so consistent and tastefully written. Then the writer who made it all happen got fired around season 2 after that they started using character deaths as fuel to keep the show going. And the cracks started to show in season 5. And the charm of the show was completely gone by s7 20 hour long episodes of vapid writing somehow sold by the likes of Andrew Lincoln, Norman and jeffrey dean morgan.

@@blakan1478 oh no yeah the quality dropped no denying that. I stand by most things Koroto brings up in his retrospectives like bottle eps and what not. My point was more so for me personally GoT was more egregious.

Exactly it's not that bad wtf

Still worse aim than Daryl 🗿

@@Koroto its nice to know another z nation fan

Glenn was one of the fan favorites but... carried the show? Glenn never carried the show on his shoulders there are dozens of better characters, the show died because of shit writing not becauseof Glenn.

@@MLink723 If you think there are dozens of better characters from the show before his death, fine, but for those of us who thought he was the best without exception, yeah he was the reason we stopped watching. The bad writing was evident before and jumped off after, but like one of those action movies where everything explodes for no reason, you just kind of swallow your disbelief and enjoy the spectacle in the moment. For me and lots of others, Glenn was the thing we sat through everything else for because we genuinely enjoyed his story, so when he died we lost almost all interest in it. Imagine watching a cheesy 80's action flick unironically but there's no explosions, fire, one liners, or racing scenes. You COULD, and you might even find yourself enjoying parts of it, but most of the experience would just be disappointing and painful. Glenn was the last character who really embodied what the first few seasons were about, for us - he wasn't a zombie killing action hero, he was the sneaky guy, down to earth, reasonable, cared for others, smart, but also goofy. He still felt like a real, genuine person stuck in the setting that we identified with for that. That's the great thing about having a big group of characters in a show, generally - everyone who watches it can find one or two they identify with and grow attached to. I think it's great that you had lots of others you liked. But for me and many other people, the one character we felt most close to was killed in a brutal cliffhanger ending right at one of the peaks of his character in terms of interest - Maggie being pregnant and having issues with the baby immediately after he took his first human life - for really stupid reasons. We had the duplicating Saviors who we were already sick of seeing by that point and just wanted to move on, and were looking forward to seeing how Glenn dealt with fatherhood or the loss of fatherhood in the apocalypse. They took Chekov's gun right off the wall and shot him with it, and a lot of people felt betrayed by that, especially after the dumpster scene where Glenn activated his plot armor. We were essentially told by the story that he's one of the MAIN main characters for realsies and he can't die, only for him to die what felt like almost immediately after. For me personally it didn't really help that my second favorite character was Abraham and he ALSO died at the same time as Glenn in the same way. Daryl is the last one I care about but he's got 15 different layers of plot armor and somehow made it to France now so he's immortal.

Uhh twd is just a far worse show than game of thrones (still love twd though don’t get me wrong) i think it’s held to a bit lower standard just because twd was kind of bad for awhile whereas game of thrones was real on bad two seasons. I do think the ending to twd was better than game of thrones ending though

@@raymondsims7042 ending really makes or breaks a show tbh because game of thrones dropped the ball at the end it really makes it the worse show. Rather walking dead’s quality drop but stay consistent then just turn into a dumpster fire completely disrespecting the fans who watched from the start.

I domt get the appeal for game of troyones