I was a combat medic for a line platoon. Deployed to Iraq. Earned my combat medical badge. We drove tanks and walked everyday. Our unit was a well oiled machine. Efficient. During our deployment, a female soldier was attached to our platoon. Long story short, we hadn’t seen one woman our first three months and this female soldier had the body that basic training gives you. What people don’t understand is that humans must take themselves to an unnatural mental space to handle the stress of war. Instinctual, carnal, aggressive, willing to go pull the trigger. The complexity of dropping a dime piece on us in the middle of our deployment destabilized our platoon. My men became distracted, began competing with one another. It was not conducive to bringing everyone home safely and certainly not the place to test progressive ideas.

My oldest son was still active duty when they decided to put women in combat positions. I asked him what he thought of it. He said in an FOB you could have a bunch of Marines in their boxers saying and doing things they wouldn't feel comfortable doing or saying with a woman around. In the desert they have to shit in a box in the sand. In combat they'd all be worried about where the woman was and if she was safe. She'd be a distraction. He said it was like the people in charge were trying to tell the war fighters that women could do anything they could do, that they weren't exceptional. Set the bar high and people reach for it. Set it low and you get what you ask for. If you want to keep your country safe train the best war fighters and give them the freedom to do their job unhindered. The military is no longer effective if it's a social experiment for the left.

Marine veteran (female) here. Got injurues right out of the gate, despite being very athletic my whole life. I loved serving but our bodies arent meant for that.

I got shot in afghan back in ‘11 in July and it took four other Marines to run me to the bird. It was over 100m sprint in a field and one corner still dropped me from exhaustion in 120 degree weather during a tic. I say this with the least amount of prejudice but women don’t belong on the battlefield. Men are better warfighters. A better investment is filling all the spots with the most capable warfighters.

As an old vet who went to war multiple times as infantry, i do not think women should be on the front line in any capacity. Medics? Sure. Maintenance? Go for it. Legal or admin? Absolutely. I have no faith that any woman could pick me up in my gear while she was in her gear and im small for a guy. I was 5'7 and 160lbs but i wore 70lbs of gear so now im 230lbs. As an infantryman, thats "light weigh" for us. I could carry the 6ft tall 230lbs guy who had the saw ammo for like 20ft. 😂 were looking at 300lbs plus my 230lbs. ive never seen a woman move that situation and i would never expect a woman to do it. Then, theres the psychological aspect where most men are raised to protect women, so if she gets shot, do you keep returning fire or focus on her out of concern? If you kill the treat, you're safe and have time but she may bleed out. If you stop shooting, they may get brave enough to stand up and throw a grenade.... what do you do? If you thought about this for more than 1 second, a bullet just flew past your head because you stopped shooting. Thats the reality.

Former US Army soldier here. I had to go through basic in Fort Jackson, South Carolina. This basic training camp was mixed, women and men. The women ruined the entire experience in so many ways. Couldn't pick up their loaded packs, couldn't do pullups which we had to do before any meal at the DFAC, constantly had to be trucked while everyone else was rucking because they 'fell out' or got injured, were always late in the morning because of their hair being out of regs or some crazy whiny shit. Every damn day it was a problem. And you know the military, everybody got smoked because some girl (usually the same 5) was late or in the wrong uniform. The women were unbelievably catty towards each other, so they wouldn't help each other out. For instance, if a guy had the wrong uniform, we all jumped on him to fix him before the drill sergeants got there. The women would leave the others out to dry but then the entire company would get punished. Pure insanity. Then, we men had to step up and cover for them in team drills, team exercises, everything. Very, very few of them were not genuine burdens. I'm not the only one who has reported on this craziness. What made it worse, is we met other soldiers from other Basic Training Camps like Fort Sil that only did one gender at a time and all the guys said Basic training was straight awesome. They couldn't believe their ears when we told them about our experience with mixed genders. The drill sergeants found lesbian love letters, girls in each other's beds, men on 'self-deletion' watch because they thought a girl liked them. Craziness left and right.

I want to say this as bluntly as possible. Its never ok for men to Sexually assault a woman in any circumstance or situation whatsoever. That being said placing pretty women inside platoons of young Sexually driven men going to war is just BEGGING things like that to take place and pretending to be shocked when it does is laughable. Anyone who understands human psychology on any level and the relationship between women and men should easily be able see the red flags that will arise by placing pretty young girls in camps with thousands of men. Who will all fight over one another to get with the few women there are and that will create chaos, jealousy, crimes of passion. Especially if that girl tends to be "easy" as they say and sleeps around with tons of men. Its gonna cause PROBLEMS

The gains in having a few women in the armed forces does not justify the costs in accommodating them.

As a 17yr military vet I believe women need be held at an equal standard as men. In afghan, not 1 women I worked with would of been able to safe me. I'm a little guy only 165lbs. 4 women I worked with directly were so dangerous that they would get promoted quick so they do paper work only. This is wrong.

Outside of women not having the physical ability men have, there's the issue of what's called "The Jack and Jill effect" which is young men constantly are trying to impress women and think of them in a sexual manner. When you put women in the ranks of men you now have men doing things they wouldn't normally do to try and impress that woman. This creates dissension in the ranks and unhealthy competition between the men of that unit where there wasn't any before. Men also have a protective instinct to women and could move from a savable wounded male to an unsavable wounded female due to that natural instinct. Combat arms was also the last place men had to form a true brotherhood specific for men which is necessary especially for young men. Sports, the boys club, boy scouts, ymca etc were all once a place specific for young men to grow and evolve forming bonds and brotherhood that is essential to their growth and different from those of young women.

I agree. The same goes for prisons. Why are there female prison guards in male prisons?

As a man. I just think introducing women into combat and the military does nothing but create chaos, division, tension (Sexually especially) and if we are all being honest. Women are way more emotional. Are not as good under severe pressure like in firefighting. And as you can tell by thier voting patterns. They allow thier emotions to triumph over rational thought. I do believe there is certain places that yes they can be a huge help in combat. Mainly being medics and nurses ect.... its in womens DNA to be Nurturing, caring, compassionate and loving. Thats thier strongest traits and its why as a man I appr3ciate them so much. But Placing a hot girl in a platoon of young men full of testosterone and Sexually in thier prime. Where clearly at 18 all a man does is think about sex as they always have. Its a recipe for disaster and thats before we talk about the legit limitations physically women have compared to men. I just get tired of everyone pretending like men and women are equals. We are not we have completely different strengths and weaknesses but when utilized correctly in unison such as letting men be the ones fighting and women being the ones healing and Nurturing is when we as a species are at our best. Going back to hunter/gatherer times smh

When I was in the US NAVY (basically completely overlapping the Jimmy Carter Presidency) many guys who were 10-12 years in (halfway to a nice Government pension) were getting out of the NAVY. Their reason? The lack of discipline during the “Carter” era in the NAVY!!! The military has to have standards!!! It is not a “touchy-feely” social club!!!

I’ve seen with my own 2 eyes. One woman accuse 3 different officers of sexual assault. They all lost rank, 2 od them ended up divorced….she lied. Nothing happened after the 2 who lost everything proved they were innocent. She was literally called a black widow by everyone that knew her and yet she was still in with no repercussions after I was exiting the army.

Thanks for keeping us updated! I feel sympathy and empathy for our country. low income people are suffering to survive, and I appreciate Deborah. You've helped my family with your advice. imagine investing $30,000 and receiving $95,460 after 28 days of trading.

There’s another scenario that no one is talking about: a female can get captured by the enemy, taken to an enemy camp. The enemy then broadcast over a loud PA system or by some other means…(the female soldier an American girl, actually, most likely around 19 years old) the unimaginable torturing of this girl. Any men who have any normal brain wiring would be immediately broken. Who could stand this? Historically, wasn’t one of the primary motivations for going to war to protect women and children? They are the true treasure and future of a civilized society.

There are reasons why we historicaly havent had women in combat.

I knew a guy who served in the forces. He said thanks to the DEI initiatives they were promoting women into leading roles who weren't ready for it and he ended up having to baby sit and train his new superiors. Obviously this makes no sense and he ended up leaving.

Being charged with "sexual assaults" doesn't mean anything to me unless I hear what they are. And being "charged" doesn't mean guilty.

I do not think people realize how they have dumbed down the definition of sexual assault. Any reference to sexual assault should include exactly what it was. This has created something far more in peoples minds than sometimes the person has been accused of.

Letting women in the Armed Forces was the beginning of lowering the standards.

The banner in the bottom left 0:02 says “Guest Name” lol sorry to point that out just thought it was funny

How the fuck is this even a debate?

It's sad we live in a time where it's reasonable to question even sexual assault convictions. Someone I knew in the navy (E7 at the time) was convicted of SA when he yelled at a female E4 who was refusing to run during PT. Telling her to "get her ass back on the track with the others." Making reference to her behind is what netted him the charges he would be convicted for.

Only the strongest individuals should be on the front line, and even the strongest woman is not stronger than strong men.. That's not to say I don't think women have a place in the military (especially as a woman myself), but on the front lines, your entire platoon is only as strong as it's weakest member. Logistics, medics, drone operators, Pilots, engineers, mechanics... not at the front.

You don't solve problems by demanding less, you solve them by making the right demands. If you demand nothing of your soldiers, no loyalty, no discipline, and you don't reward them for what they give, you will end with the situation she described.

Thanks for your books and videos, Dr. Peterson.

It was really hard to follow what she was talking about. Maybe because this was a clip taken from a longer conversation? But she seems to be kind of all over the place or talking in code maybe.

I NEED more of this conversation. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Didn't she just have a week or so away from her artillery unit actually doing what she says and had a single sigact and it jacked her up for years?... I've seen her in a couple interviews and she's actually pretty vague about big claims of doing stuff and then mentioning it was just a week or so... then after that they had to mental her out and home... she has opinions on a lot of things that are so far out of her experience it's ridiculous. And DEI and hand holding people into unearned positions will only lead to more dead soldiers in Combat. (Yeah, I've been around- 25 years, 5 Combat deployments, 3 continents and commanded from an Infantry fire team through a training battalion.) Women are very capable and really needed in some roles, but reality needs to play a role.

Men and women are not the same.

I was active duty Marines for five years and i agree with most of what she said. You lower the standard, bring in shittier people, the good people leave, and the shitty people stay. And then those shitty people move their way up the ranks. Military bases and units function outside of the civilian world but adjacent to it. So if you get in big trouble in the military you will also be in big trouble on the civilian side. The problem is that the military is so confined that if a corrupt leader has corrupt people around them then that leader is basically invincible and can get away with whatever they want. There is definitely a “protect our own” mentality in military units that often supersedes what is morally right. Edit: I just want to add that I think women in the military is fine on a base level bc everyone should be allowed to serve their country if they choose. However, I do not think any fitness standards should be lowered in order to get more women in (DEI), that’s an entirely different thing. As far as I know, there are no women serving as infantrymen in the Marine Corps but I know it’s not like that in every branch. Infantry is also only a small percentage of the available jobs. There are definitely roles women can do effectively that aren’t necessarily combat roles.

I served in Yugoslavia and Haiti in the 90's. I don't recognize the CAF today and it embarrasses me

Never once met a woman who could pull a man in full combat load behind cover, if he went down.

in the USN it was a regular experience to see woman get pregnant before a deployment so they could get sent to shore duty. we regularly went to sea "undermanned" because of this. I knew one female who opted to seperate early had the baby at the expense of the VA broke her tailbone on the delivery table and got a 70% lifetime diability rating because of it.

Everything she says is 💯 true. If you only look at it through a lens of making the highest priority to make sure women who want to serve get to serve. Not what is best for the service, for the country, for the world. If we didn’t have to Accommodate the desires of a handful of women - problem solved. Her righteousness is ridiculous. And hypocritical. Her need to be included (despite the ramifications) is what opens the door to all the lowered standards.

No one who assaults a woman should be able to slide I don't give a s*** Who You Are!

Thank you for bringing up important topics. Women in the service has been one of the areas where I have been struggling to find the right answer.

Thanks for sharing

A conversation about giving women the best of both worlds with no downsides

Women can have huge roles but NOT IN COMBAT. My mother was a riveting supervisor at douglas aircraft during the war. Women were the riveters

we do what is right and just !!!! no matter what!!!! My grandfather who was born in Mississippi and was the best gentleman I have ever known taught this, he was truly epic along with my father. we all need to do or follow this.

I have been so eager to see Jordan speak with someone from the CAF who can lend these perspectives! This is a major issue in Canada and needs a voice! So excited for this one.

US Army: In 2005 I was serving in a unit where they decided a lot of the traditions did not need to be observed. Nobody sang information, nobody marched anywhere, and there were no traditions. I've never seen a more disorderly group of people with the lowest morale.

I was in the USAF from 1999-2009. Many women became pregnant and could not deploy and some became pregnant intentionally so they could get out of the Air Force without finishing their enlistment.

Marine veteran (female also), we have huge issues in the military but noone is going to fix them

0:24 It happens to us men too and not only do we not report it, we absolutely bury it like it never happened. You can't even talk about it unless you want all hell to follow you.

Remember the show MASH? What was a common theme throughout the show? Sex between nurses and doctors, even married ones. Why? Combat and distance open that up. I saw it in my squadron during the Gulf War.

I can appreciate whatever point Jordan is trying to make with this woman but end of the day what you will always see in this woman's shoes is someone is so tough and has so much to prove and also needs my help and support to combat the evil men in the army, and also is just a badass. She's all the things. She's a victim and a hero. Gee. ITS ALMOST A LITTLE SELF INDULGENT. It's almost like from the start this was just another in a long line of programs meant take spots from men who have nothing better to do than earn them, and give them to people who have every reason on the planet to do anything else.

At 0:23 When they start clapping the hands like that, it drives me crazy. That passive aggression gesture that means "focus at what i am saying right now" makes me do exactly the opposite. Its pathetic. Edit: They removed the clapping part.

For whatever reason higher ups think that covering up these things is somehow better for the military than holding those responsible accountable for their actions. But let a Private be 10min late and they'll likely demote the poor kid. Crappy leadership has cost the military more good personnel than enemy action.

A boy at church spat in front of others in the church parking lot while I walked to my car. I said in passing, "That's what the guy would do in the sex street in Japan." Guys like that dissed American females in the military. An off-base military bar was on that street. Apparently they assumed we were in the military to serve the men; probably cut into their income. I wish we didn't need a military; but we do. There's a LinkedIn article from an Army officer who said that when your life is on the line, you want someone competent on your team, other attributes are secondary.

I'm proud of our men and women who serve in our military 🪖 🇺🇲 Women, however, do not belong on the battle field, not because they're not capable, but because the enemy will exploit them in ways worse than death.

Preach! 🙏🏽🫡 God Bless You!🇺🇸🧊🥌

I've been in the CAF for years, so I'm going to shed some light on the issue, and I can trim it down for you. The reason why we have problems in the CAF, is due to poor salaries. In the past, joining the CAF was a viable career option. Now, doing any government civilian job pays better. Why would you do a hard job for the same pay, unless you're very nationalistic. 1) Lower paying jobs leads to... 2) Less people applying... Which leads to... 3) The CAF being short on people... Which leads to... 4) The CAF lowering their standards to accept more people... Which leads to... 5) Lower quality of soldiers joining the CAF...

I have a huge feeling most of these SAs are woman feeling bad about sleeping around and later claiming they were assaulted. I have no doubt there have been some real SAs but I’ve talked to too many woman and men who served that say it’s it’s very common for the women to be hooking up with a lot of the men.

Where can I listen to this in its entirety?

Excellent conversation 🙂

My grandfather flew in WWII out of Iceland and Scotland, and even there he had many friends that did not survive. I grew up grateful to his service and anyone I would meet in the armed forces. When my grandson joined the Army Cadets, I was thrilled at the positive changes in life, and was completely content with the idea of him taking Army as a career. But after years of us having a lunatic PM, maniac school boards and universities, and DEI still running loose the in country ... how can I encourage him to serve? I am still grateful to our service men and women, but how can lie to him about it being a good choice for his future?

The DEI discussion (starting at about 5:00) is reminiscent of what's happening with the RCMP. A number of years ago the RCMP was instructed to loosen recruitment standards, modify training requirements, and do away with things like aptitude testing, all with the aim of making the force more "diverse" and "equitable." Search "CBC RCMP recruitment changes necessary to meet need for more officers" Result? Effectiveness collapsed. Morale tanked. Recruitment plummeted. It came to a head in Nova Scotia when the RCMP was caught flat-footed while a man rampaged through the province, killing 22 people over two days. A public hearing concluded that failures included inadequate training, poor communication, and weak leadership. RCMP's response? A renewed focus on diversity and reconciliation. You can't make this up. Search "RCMP 2023 to 2027 Departmental Sustainable Development Strategy" which will take you right to the report.

I love the mid-70s vibe Kelsi!!!!

The long form of this would be great I assume it’ll be uploaded soon.

How about soldiering is a man's USP, and the army a men-only space? Why would top rate men want to join a service to compete with second-rate women being given a leg up? How about the service not tempting sexually deprived men with attractive women living in quasi-married proximity?

A fascinsting "best case scenario" of this would be Jenna Bakken. To simplify her story (which I recommend looking into) she was part of a Military Police unit that got shoved into a combat role and performed admirably. I (a man) hope that I'd have the same focus and bravery in combat that she did. I have no problem saying she's a badass and deserved every comendation she received, *AND* that she should not have been there in the first place

"I'm sorry. This is not the country I fought for." I've heard numerous American veterans say exactly the same thing. It's sad.

Thanks

I joined Navy at 16 delayed entry in the 1980's. Women were not allowed in combat. Thank God!! I couldn't imagine being in the military today where our own government refuses or plays dumb on the definition of a woman! I miss those days when political correctness didn't exist.

I am an Israeli captain. I think Mr Peterson would be fascinated to talk to Israeli soldiers, of both genders, to get some of our statistics to be able to understand what the problems of your military are.

Which U.S. naval ship was she talking about that had to turn back?

This is riveting & unbelievable. Sempre Fi.

I am very interested in hearing this lady's full interview. Especially as she is Canadian, and I deal with the Canadian military a lot. A lot! "Standards," she says. Ok. Look at her hands and her fingers. What does that say? I really want to hear her thoughts. The US military is talking at the very highest levels to the UK, the Canadians, the Swedes - all the Scandinavian countries, about recruitment and retention. Here's the funny part - not one single nation is saying, "Maybe we should stop hating our young masculine men. Maybe we should stop telling them they are evil for being born with a Y chromosome." EDIT: After hearing the full video interview, I feel obligated to say I initially misjudged her. She is a phenomenal woman who perseveres through life, and I hope thousands of people are inspired by her story. Her story inspires me.

The lowering of the standard is also happening to the US military

Full interview? Name?

Whereas the full video? Is it released already?

Is it only me? Or is it unclear what's her point? She started off by saying the taliban is stoning women..to seeing military girls whith colored hair, looking unprepared to serve... to males SAing women in the military... She's all over the place and doesn't seem interested to propose an idea to solve even one of those problems.

Episode 446 with GUEST NAME 😭😭😭

Back in military service 14 years ago I spent considerable amounts of time blowing off steam just about every chance I got. It was stressful. I was never in danger but the lifestyle immersed me in the belief that I could be living the last days of my life. "Living the last days of my life" really put my biological expectations on overdrive. And the only method to keep me focused was a corner in the barracks. Since then, from what I hear, expectations in service has dropped. Discipline has dropped. The physical and mental stress has been reduced. There's no hazing, or bullying, an age old practice which drills you you to manage taking mental beating. To do what you're told without questioning so you don't end up crying when it matters. My younger brother didn't have any stories about service. There's some drills and exercises but nothing too bad. Not worth mentioning. You can bring your phone to the army. You get a lot more vacations. And the companies are mixed gender. It makes sense when I think about it. If service was easier for me, maybe I wouldn't have had such a hard time 'coping' with it. Does the women being introduced into the mix have anything to do with reducing the stress levels in the military. whatever's the case, it all tells me, frankly. That If I end up going to combat, with these younger generations, they won't have the faculties, discipline, mental nor physical strength to crawl on all fours through mud and guts to come pick me from the trench when I'm wounded. They won't drag me out of the field under fire. I'll be left behind. But at least I go out among the progressive.

This woman is amazing. I am so proud of her!

When people tell me “Thank you for your service!” I feel quite ashamed. Because some of the worst human beings I have ever met were in the Military. If my Military service had actually made a difference in the world, and I had served with people I could be proud of, I would feel a lot different. And I served long before any of this DEI crap had come into play.

Let women go and fight to liberate the women in the Taliban region. Let's put feminism to the test; go and fight for their rights. Why must men fight for women's rights, when women don't fight for men's rights; yet claim equality.

Interesting. Anyone else catch that?

I appreciate what her argument is. One of my immediate female family members is a retired marine, so it’s impossible for me to wish that never happened. But I also get Jordan’s philosophical concern, that combat can get unnecessarily complicated by recreating “coed college life”, with all its distractions and dangers, when you should be able to focus on completing your high risk duties. Imagine a college, where straight A’s means you get to come home after you graduate, while anything below an A means death or dismemberment. You think that college would coed? Or would it be an all boys school?

"In the most recent podcast with veteran Kelsi Sheren, she and Dr. Peterson discuss the women in the arms forces, the mentality it takes for success, and risks involved with a military career. The full episode releases tomorrow at 5PM ET"

My wife is a 11 yr vet. She'd never join again because Canada today is not the Canad 22 years ago

In the UK & Canada we refer to them as the “Armed Forces” not “the military”. Don’t anybody get triggered

She is absolutely correct. No one needs someone who wants to assault a coworker. Yes women are particularly vulnerable. Guess what? Those aggressive men will attack vulnerable men if women aren't present. Those types of men have never been held accountable and someone needs to have the balls to do it and stop making excuses for them!

THIRTY FIVE THIS YEAR?!

Seen a few women get their supervisors to ‘work for them’ with after sex blackmail. There’s some examples that don’t get reported. The other section members wound up doing the work…

Just bought tickets for my 21 year old son and i for phx on the 14th. I feel like I did going to U2 at 15!!!!!!!! Thank yoy for takinf up the plight of our boys.!!!!!

Thank for saying what real men that have served have been thinking.

To all of you skirting around the topic at hand. Watch the doc The Invisible War. There is zero reason for a woman wanting to serve her country to be threatened, overpowered and raped. A lack of empathy and morals is not intrinsic to being a man. It's a severe misassumption to believe a man who rapes in the military is not the same perpetrator assaulting women in all other spaces. This is not a discussion about the strengths of men vs women but the rampant lack of action against men who attack and violate female soldiers. Cornering, grappling and beating a woman is not a boy carrying out "boy things." Someone who cannot uphold basic decency cannot be entrusted with much else. What a massive failure on the military's part not to instill dignity and respect in their men.

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Glad she's addressing an aspect that's also on par with suing. You sue a school you lose funding you get crappier education, and crappier teachers. Same when you target an entire business when it should be taken as an individual case-by-case basis. Yes it's harder to deal with and takes longer, but you don't lose nearly as much funds for the business to correct any mistakes made, and you also usually result in job loss/crappier employees. Also, if it was a decent business then you're less likely to fold in and be replaced with other business that can, at times, favor arbitrary law and/or be of foreign extension which proves to be more problematic locally.

To be clear, the push for women in combat roles does not come from a desire for more combat effectiveness. It comes from a desire to move women into higher leadership roles. In the US Army the combat infantry badge is a necessary prerequisite to rank advancement. The combat arms do not respect officers with no combat experience.

Young men & women should not be in the same spaces - it ALWAYS create this problem.

My nephew just joined the military. I wasn't happy about it, as I see it as giving away your liberty to be a tool of (highly dubious) government policy. I would have dissuaded him if I could suggest a better path, but given his circumstances, I couldn't, so I have to accept it. Somehow we need to figure out how to open up paths of opportunity for young people.

If you wanna live with Wolfes, don’t complain if they bite you.

Long as they pass the same exact tasks, tests, fitness requirements as the men, i have 0 issues with women in any branch of the service. If your going to lower the weight they have to carry, lower the time they have to make a march, lower the time they have to pass an obstacle course, 'change' what obstacles they are required to pass.? Then no, not at all.

About time. Really don't believe there's any misogyny here in the comments...we're just reaching a point of cultural equilibrium. I'll take a wild guess and say those who say something like "why do you hate women so much?" have to go a get a dictionary or Google words like hybristophillia or misandry. It's not hate. This exchange is a perfect example of a woman talking to validate her feelings and a man speaking to validate objective reality. We've had enough of the feels before reals. Hypergamy is another one...

If you pointed out the stoning which the right has pointed out forever, the left would just call you Islamophobic. NO both sides are not equivalent opposites.