A Disney Villains Retrospective Part 4: Pinocchio Villains

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Colin LooksBack

Colin LooksBack

4 жыл бұрын

Pinocchio's quest to become a real boy led him to face some truly frightening villains! In this installment, we'll be discussing the following bad guys from Pinocchio (1940):
J. Worthington Foulfellow (AKA "Honest John")
Gideon
Stromboli
The Coachman
Monstro (Kind of?)
VIDEO SOURCES:
Pinocchio's Daring Journey at Disneyland (LMG Vids):
• [4K] LOW LIGHT Pinocch...
Pinocchio's Daring Journey at Tokyo Disneyland (SoCal Attractions 360):
• [4K] Tokyo Disneyland ...
SNES Game (World of Longplays):
• SNES Longplay [296] Pi...

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@JessicaChastainFan
@JessicaChastainFan 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you can have Pinocchio kill The Coachman in the video game is SO fucking satisfying.
@basketcas3717
@basketcas3717 3 жыл бұрын
What video game?
@MrJohnffrey87
@MrJohnffrey87 3 жыл бұрын
The game for Nintendo back in 1995.
@Wolfrage76
@Wolfrage76 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. The videogame finally brought karmatic justice upon that Coachman.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 2 жыл бұрын
@@dontfaround441 the man with the red coat that Foulfellow and Gideon met to get a larger payment of gold for sending Pinocchio to Pleasure Island.
@ReluctantWarrior
@ReluctantWarrior Жыл бұрын
@@MrJohnffrey87 And Sega as well.
@BrokenHedgehog
@BrokenHedgehog 4 жыл бұрын
Even as a small child, the Coachman gave me chills even before that FACE... I didn't understand why until years later why he probably creeped me out so much. Apparently four-year-old me had REALLY good gut instinct.
@fernandogamez7463
@fernandogamez7463 4 жыл бұрын
I BELIEVE that last sentence
@elsakristina2689
@elsakristina2689 4 жыл бұрын
At that age I honestly thought that WAS Satan!
@michaelguarasci
@michaelguarasci 4 жыл бұрын
Same here I use to watch a Pinocchio a lot as a kid at age of 8 - 10 I don’t remember if I ever covered my eyes when the coach made that creepy Face but idk what made me watch the movie over and over again till I remember that moment when that scene scared the shit out of me probs after I started high school.. now I don’t even watch the movie anymore since I developed that fear of that Face I was fine before and after but just that one image NAHH FUCK THAT To be honest with you I find this much more nightmare fume than watching IT or Exercist or any other sort of Horror movie, The coachman is the only person I have to worry about in the Disney Franchise the other villains don’t scare me at all thank God for that
@unknownstranger6875
@unknownstranger6875 3 жыл бұрын
I believe it's his mannerisms and body language that sends out warning signals, and the fact that he's hanging out with Honest John and Gideon in a seedy restaurant/bar. Before he makes that demonic face, he still always has this look to him; a diabolical like smile and sinister looking eyes, as if he's up to something.
@autismtony2404
@autismtony2404 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelguarasci What one image do you speak of? I’ve never seen the original film.
@92JazzQueen
@92JazzQueen 4 жыл бұрын
I agree the darkest thing to think about this movie is that no one gets punished for their crimes and funny enough at least Gideon and Foulfellow were originally going to until it was cut.
@JSATheWorldMedia
@JSATheWorldMedia 4 жыл бұрын
On the contrary. You can argue that Stromboli was defeated once his star attraction escaped his wagon. In the Sega Genesis game, you actually DO fight the coachman and beat him once he's thrown off a cliff before you save Gepetto. That fox and cat never really seemed like the main focus. Like those Hyenas from Lion King.
@evagarcia865
@evagarcia865 3 жыл бұрын
Disney Villain: *Exists* Cliff/Big fall: *I’m about to end this villain’s whole career*
@lm64luigi85
@lm64luigi85 3 жыл бұрын
@@JSATheWorldMedia Stromboli caught Covid 19 and died
@RobertEOSPEEDWAGON1
@RobertEOSPEEDWAGON1 3 жыл бұрын
Plus monstro got compence even though he was just trying to get some lunch.
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
@@lm64luigi85 🤦‍♀️
@Gooberwares
@Gooberwares 4 жыл бұрын
The coachman being a demon makes sense. In Dante’s inferno a circle of hell transforms people whom stolen.
@CloneOfArc
@CloneOfArc 2 жыл бұрын
In Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night, he is a demon! ;)
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 2 жыл бұрын
It is also common in Eastern concepts of hell for sinners to transform.
@KTChamberlain
@KTChamberlain 3 жыл бұрын
I get that Carlo Collodi wanted to make an example out of Pinocchio with him being strung up by a tree, but even when I was younger, I scratched my head, thinking, "Wait, if he's made of wood, how is that supposed to kill him?" Him continuing the story right where it left off surprisingly makes sense, or rather, as much sense as a story like that can be.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you on that one. The only reason Carlo Collodi killed off Pinocchio was because he HATED children. His publisher probably wanted to continue the story, because giving them a lesson through character growth is better than killing off any potential for it.
@SaitohYatate
@SaitohYatate Жыл бұрын
I think there is a part in "Conker's Bad Fur Day" (of all games) that pokes fun on that detail: when the talking pitchfork hangs himself for "failing" to keep Conker out of his barn; the douchebags who dared him to do so laugh at him because of that same thing you said.
@curtisleblanc5897
@curtisleblanc5897 Жыл бұрын
@@robbiewalker2831 Based
@curtisleblanc5897
@curtisleblanc5897 Жыл бұрын
@AndrewWithEase11 11 I honestly haven't gone on Reddit in years.
@curtisleblanc5897
@curtisleblanc5897 Жыл бұрын
@AndrewWithEase11 11 :/
@WillScarlet16
@WillScarlet16 4 жыл бұрын
Apparently Disney planned an extended chase scene after Pleasure Island where the Coachman would chase Pinocchio back to land and Honest John and Gideon would try to misdirect him so they could catch him themselves and claim a reward, and then they'd all run smack into the police. It would have been nice to see some villains get punished, but that scene would have made the final face-off with Monstro feel a lot less powerful.
@joaquinbarboza3223
@joaquinbarboza3223 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, there are no deleted scenes that show that sequence nor storyboards. I would have loved to seen that in the finished film
@WillScarlet16
@WillScarlet16 3 жыл бұрын
@@joaquinbarboza3223 So would I, but for the sake of time and drama I think it was the right choice to do it.
@joaquinbarboza3223
@joaquinbarboza3223 3 жыл бұрын
@@WillScarlet16 You’re right, but I think that a third encounter between Pinocchio and John and Gideon could have been useful to show that Pinocchio would no longer believe in their lies. On the other hand, even if we never see what happened with Stromboli, it’s likely he had to cancel his show and lost money when Pinocchio escaped, so at least he also got his karma
@christopherwall2121
@christopherwall2121 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt any prison would hold the Coachman for long.
@disneyboy3030
@disneyboy3030 3 жыл бұрын
@@joaquinbarboza3223 Maybe someone can make a short sequel comic out of it.
@hippiechik95
@hippiechik95 4 жыл бұрын
I have a pretty fond memory of Foulfellow and Gideon! The first time I went to Walt Disney World with my family as a child, I was about 7 years old and very shy. I loved seeing the costumed characters, but with tons of other kids and their parents crowding around them for pictures, I couldn’t bring myself to get too close to the more popular and recognizable ones. But Gideon and Foulfellow noticed me clutching my little autograph book at the edge of the crowd. They signed my book, did a little dance with me, and let my parents take pictures away from all the other people so I wouldn’t be so nervous. I still have the autograph book somewhere. It’s one of my best Disney memories!
@WishfulThinkingArt
@WishfulThinkingArt 4 жыл бұрын
Aw, that's sweet! Foulfellow and Gideon were actually the first characters my family met on our first trip to Disney! I remember being quite surprised at how tall Foulfellow was, but I thought it was pretty cool seeing them that way.
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure I've only seen Goofy. In like the ten times I've ever been to Disney Land, I've encountered Goofy once and never even seen anyone else. Although I'm always looking to find someone.
@absolite6
@absolite6 4 жыл бұрын
I met Gideon in Disneyland at Cafe Mickey. Our food took forever but we got to meet loads of characters who walked through the cafe taking autographs and pictures while people waited for their food. It was great!
@chocolatenotsochocolate450
@chocolatenotsochocolate450 3 жыл бұрын
That's cute
@MichaelSar12IsBack
@MichaelSar12IsBack 3 жыл бұрын
So, apparently Gideon and Foulfellow are actually much nicer fellows "off-camera".
@michaelgreico9630
@michaelgreico9630 4 жыл бұрын
"His name/title is never said on screen" Honest John: "Now COACHMAN, what's your proposition?"
@ColinLooksBack
@ColinLooksBack 3 жыл бұрын
I really have to double or triplecheck these movies before I make statements like that, lol
@jackhamilton9604
@jackhamilton9604 3 жыл бұрын
@@ColinLooksBack the videos will still come out great
@thedude9024
@thedude9024 3 жыл бұрын
"How would you blokes like the earn some real money?"
@jackhamilton9604
@jackhamilton9604 3 жыл бұрын
@@thedude9024 well and do we have to 👉😵?
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackhamilton9604 No, no. Nothing like that. You see... (checks to see if no one else is listening)
@kirbysuperstar5494
@kirbysuperstar5494 6 ай бұрын
I've heard a lot of wild fan theories in my time, but "The Coachman is a demon" is simultaneously the wildest yet weirdly believable
@CorndogMaker
@CorndogMaker Жыл бұрын
I don't think there is a more evil character in Disney animation than the Coachman. He's a demon in human skin.
@Arigriphantua
@Arigriphantua 11 ай бұрын
Literally!
@dbzgal04
@dbzgal04 4 ай бұрын
Not to mention, he's one of the few Disney villains who doesn't get any kind of punishment.
@vincentfranklin17
@vincentfranklin17 Жыл бұрын
The Coachman creeped me out, but Lampwick's transformation into a donkey really creeped me out! I'm grown, and that sequence still gives me the chills!
@dylanpietz7855
@dylanpietz7855 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the donkey transformation never scared me. Mostly because A. the Coachman's evil smile is far worse. And B. I don't find anything scary about donkeys.
@camilogarciaylasaari1857
@camilogarciaylasaari1857 Жыл бұрын
Hearing you talk about these characters made me realise that each antagonist becomes more dangerous than the previous one. You start off with the conniving yet comedic Honest John and Gideon, then you move onto the more aggressive Stromboli, then you get the Coachman who's absolutely despicable and sadistic and finally you end on Monstro, a nigh unstoppable force of nature you can't reason with.
@miticaBEP07
@miticaBEP07 4 жыл бұрын
In Italy we have a classic comic called “Mickey’s Inferno”, a parody of the Inferno part of the Divine Comedy. Plenty of Disney character cameo: Mickey plays Dante and Goofy is Vergil, but there’s also a cameo of the likes of Peg Leg Pete, Donald Duck, Clarabelle Cow, Brer Rabbit, Brer Bear, the Three Little Pigs, Zeke Wolf, Dumbo and Pluto. There a part where we are shown the suffering of all the misbehaving children turned into trees. The wood is cut by devils and carved by Geppetto into school desks. Said desks are placed in a classroom of small donkeys (with Doc from Snow White teaching for whatever reason) and eventually kicked into pieces, so that the devils can pick them up again and make them into trees to repeat the cycle. When Mickey/Dante meets them, they are saved by a prompt intervention of the Blue Fairy, who turns them back into humans and has them promise to never misbehave again. Honest John and Gideon show up to tempt the children into abandoning their good propositions and going back to misbehaving. But Dante/Mickey scolds them and calls into Jiminy Cricket to further mark his point. The villains fled and the children were sent back to earth.
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 4 жыл бұрын
What
@kostajovanovic3711
@kostajovanovic3711 4 жыл бұрын
@@shellyvision9693 a wild comic book from the 40's
@Sifya
@Sifya 3 жыл бұрын
@@shellyvision9693 italian disney created duck avenger,so it isn't suprised
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 3 жыл бұрын
No I understood what they said, it's just weird.
@junichiroyamashita
@junichiroyamashita 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah,it was a very peculiar comic that one,it was actually the first one in the long Topolino Story collection,that collected Disney comic from the 1940 up until the 90s,i have the entire collection and i must say,many of the earliest years stories are very peculiar, but very charming. For example Mickey Mouse and the Desert of Nothing, my favourites were the long adventures of Donald Duck and Huey,Dewey and Louie.
@buddyro1860
@buddyro1860 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Stromboli's reaction when he finds that Pinocchio is missing. That would be hilarious. Here's how it would be played out: Stromboli: (singing) I buy a new suit and I swing-a the chain. I eat-a best and I drink-a champagne. I got-a no strings on me. (he notices Pinocchio is gone) Yeah-- uh, huh? What?! (curses in Italian)
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
Whoops 😮
@junichiroyamashita
@junichiroyamashita 2 жыл бұрын
I can hear the bestemmie from here.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 Жыл бұрын
Given Pinocchio’s scream could be loud enough to hear, it makes sense.
@princessmarlena1359
@princessmarlena1359 Жыл бұрын
Stromboli: “Naaaaa-sh-gunna-gunna-putatsa! Ebbe-shimma-mi-getsa-putso-me-gosta!”
@KWCline91
@KWCline91 Жыл бұрын
Probably the same as Al of Al’s Toy Barn when he realizes his prize possessions (Woody, Jessie, Bullseye, Pete) all vanished at the airport. All his hopes and dreams of being rich went down the tube. I think the shock and sadness plus a Darth Vader noooo would be the reaction.
@elsakristina2689
@elsakristina2689 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know about you but when I was little, that evil face the Coachman makes when they're in the tavern, I seriously thought that's what Satan looks like. That description you gave of him not being fully human… I guess I was right!
@keshiaanders6452
@keshiaanders6452 4 жыл бұрын
I thought of the Coachman as an Anti-Santa Claus. Both are fat old men in red with a ride drawn with animals, have supernatural helpers, and are catered to children's fancies. But while Santa gives good children well deserving gifts, Coachman punishes the bad children (and one has a beard while the other doesn't).
@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate
@johnbakasmoothhotchocolate 4 жыл бұрын
In all honestly, the kids deserve their fate because of their temptation to do nothing but just act out in the way that they want to that they know they wouldn't be able to do elsewhere. When you think about the things they did on Pleasure Island, plus, and this is the most important part, the WANT to do those said things, it labels those actions as something only a jackass would do. So the island's magic just manifests that symbolization into a realism for those said bad boys, and doomed to a fate of being part of the market system. I don't know if the spell is irreversible, but if not, then it serves as a lesson to not be a jackass, or fate will just make an ass out of you.
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 4 жыл бұрын
For all we know, it might be.
@trey2clean418
@trey2clean418 3 жыл бұрын
@@keshiaanders6452 that actually was a good comparison
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
I know how you feel, sister. I like the scene in the Red Lobster Inn. Honest John and Gideon really shine in this scene and have some great little moments. For example, we get to hear more of Gideon’s hiccups 😁 The second one was terrific, but the third one was a little bit messy, if you know what I mean. 😁
@keshiaanders6452
@keshiaanders6452 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, there are a few things about Monstro. * In the original 'Pinocchio' story, it was a giant shark known as "The Terrible Dogfish" (which are a type of shark) that ate Pinocchio and Geppeto, and they escaped from it not by setting it's stomach on fire & making it sneeze, but wait until night time while the dogfish was asleep because it goes up to the surface at night due to it's breathing problems. *It's possible the reasons why Disney changed Monstro from a giant shark to a whale is not only because not it makes much more sense for the sea creature to go on the surface to breathe, but because of the Biblical story 'Jonah and the Whale' (which the sea creature in the original tale was a giant fish too). And just like Jonah, Geppeto has been stuck inside a whale's stomach hoping for a miracle to happen & rescue him. *Monstro may be unintentionally based on a real prehistoric animal known as the Leviathain, a giant carnivorous whale that towers over & eats blue whales and Megalodon. *Monstro is a rare type of creation that is both a character & a location at the same time. Which is why Monstro is a world in the Kingdom Hearts games instead of a boss (mostly), and featured as entrances in dark boat rides as a tunnel to escape from. *Like Fowlfellow & Gideon, Monstro is also a most used Pinocchio villain in other Disney media. *Before Monstro met his demise with the rocks, (if you have good hearing) he shouts out "I'll crush you!" as he swam straight towards Pinocchio & Geppeto. Making the line be the only time he spoke in the movie. *Monstro appears in an episode of the Disney Afternoon cartoon "Bonkers," where it reveals that Monstro can not only talk, but is actually a nice guy & good actor.
@fernandogamez7463
@fernandogamez7463 4 жыл бұрын
That last fact about Bonkers made Monstro justice.
@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917
@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 3 жыл бұрын
Livyatan is discovered like more than 50 years after Pinocchio is released so maybe it's based on Moby Dick
@yotus9337
@yotus9337 3 жыл бұрын
Do u mean leviathan?
@Wolfrage76
@Wolfrage76 2 жыл бұрын
Mostro is a natural creature as neutral as he comes. Neither Good nor Evil.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 2 жыл бұрын
@@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 You're partially right. The Livyathan Melvillei is named after the Moby Dick story, but the Whale in question (Livyathan Melvillei) has a strong resemblence to Monstro... maybe it was a coincidence that Monstro would look and behave like an extinct species of Whale.
@BullyMaguire2024
@BullyMaguire2024 3 жыл бұрын
The Coachman and Stromboli always made me feel disgusted and they always gave me the creeps and gave me BIG CHILLS.
@MrTristy22
@MrTristy22 4 жыл бұрын
"A writer doesn't need to scrutinize every single detail about a story's magical world. It often takes away from the mystery and wonder surrounding it." And then of course with the Disney live-action remake, they'll probably do just that considering that responses to nitpicky criticisms seems to be what the live-action remakes do. There is actually one American comic that features that Coachman as a villain. It's a Christmas comic where Honest John and Gideon steal Santa's sleigh and the Coachman wants to use the sleigh to take the boys to Pleasure Island. It's kind of fitting since he has a deceptively Santa Claus like figure (minus the beard). Of course, the plan is overheard by Toad, Ratty, and Mole, who take back the sleigh. The villains try to catch them, but Toad flings some money at them and Honest John, Gideon, and the Coachman fight over the money in an almost Three Stooges like fashion, showing another version of the Coachman getting his just deserts.
@JSATheWorldMedia
@JSATheWorldMedia 4 жыл бұрын
Even better. Try playing the sega genesis Pinocchio. On that pleasure island level, you actually do fight the coachman and win once he's thrown off the clip before you go rescue Gepetto.
@crystalfairy912
@crystalfairy912 4 жыл бұрын
I need a copy of this comic! Toad is one of my favorite Disney characters 😃
@MrTristy22
@MrTristy22 4 жыл бұрын
@@crystalfairy912 You can find it in this book: www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDisneys-Christmas-Classics-Frank-Reilly%2Fdp%2F1684050065&psig=AOvVaw1VvubSHPV3Q6yESjnn1a14&ust=1595388205590000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCKiDmKyy3eoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
@nidohime6233
@nidohime6233 2 жыл бұрын
Or you can think the details of the magical world but never tell to the audience, is much more fun to leave hints on what is happening.
@mbcmechachu
@mbcmechachu 4 жыл бұрын
Kind of surprised you didn't mention how the coachman was part of what inspired King Dice from Cuphead.
@MrJohnffrey87
@MrJohnffrey87 3 жыл бұрын
He was also part of the inspiration for Wario’s design.
@mbcmechachu
@mbcmechachu 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJohnffrey87 No that was the Stromboli character. I was clearly talking about The Coachman initially.
@harmonetheanimationaddict4419
@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 3 жыл бұрын
They do look alike.
@semigothpixarqueen1600
@semigothpixarqueen1600 2 жыл бұрын
@MBCMechachu Really? 8|
@kingcamelot1395
@kingcamelot1395 2 жыл бұрын
And eventually, Chef Saltbaker from the dlc.
@DamonNomad82
@DamonNomad82 4 жыл бұрын
10:47 The axe hitting the puppet was always the moment in "Pinocchio" that I found most horrifying as a kid. 16:27 I suspect the scary face the Coachman made was the inspiration for the "horror clown" genre of films.
@daphnerogers4277
@daphnerogers4277 4 жыл бұрын
"Even the veggietales one." I realized this earlier on, but I just noticed that the veggietales adaptation is more closer to the book than the Disney one.
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 4 жыл бұрын
THEY LITERALLY SAID THE ANSWER TO "HOW MUCH WOOD COULD A WOODCHUCK IF A WOODCHUCK COULD CHUCK WOOD" WAS FIVE GOLD COINS HOW IS THAT ACCURATE
@maurycyoseka1057
@maurycyoseka1057 3 жыл бұрын
1:54 - Foulfellow and Gideon 8:59 - Strombuli 14:54 - Couchman 21:20 - Monstro
@Quirky_Ventriloquist
@Quirky_Ventriloquist 3 жыл бұрын
Honest John is my favourite character in Pinocchio.
@zeldafan1942
@zeldafan1942 Жыл бұрын
It’s “Stromboli”, and “Coachman”, and they were both voiced by Charles Judels, who was nothing like them in real life.
@Squishito
@Squishito Жыл бұрын
lol "Couchman". He is the lord of couches.
@lbp3skyedog-215
@lbp3skyedog-215 Жыл бұрын
I like Monstro, cause he's only a natural villain that's only following nature.
@maurycyoseka1057
@maurycyoseka1057 9 ай бұрын
@@lbp3skyedog-215 I like Monstro cause i am a fish person.
@ashyemby
@ashyemby 3 жыл бұрын
15:23 that animated donkey transformation was scarier than seeing the original Disney animation as a kid and to be quite honest, i am triggered. I love this retrospective!
@rdphoenix07
@rdphoenix07 Жыл бұрын
These days, when I see that scene, my reaction is the same as Kletus Clump from the Nutty Professor 2: "THIS IS SOME SCARY SHIT!"
@xy5708
@xy5708 Жыл бұрын
@@rdphoenix07 yeah
@whiz8569
@whiz8569 4 жыл бұрын
Dang, that original, original story of Pinocchio is messed up.
@whiz8569
@whiz8569 4 жыл бұрын
@TheCatsMeow PrettyHorses Look up specifically "The Adventures of Pinocchio" on Wikipedia. See where you go from there.
@michaelpalmieri7335
@michaelpalmieri7335 4 жыл бұрын
Re: the suggestion that the evil Coachman represents the devil because of the reference to "meeting at the crossroads at midnight." There's a legend about a famous jazz or blues singer (or musician) who made a deal with the devil to become a even greater singer (or musician), and that the devil collected the man's soul at some "crossroads" in New Orleans. I forget who this fellow was, though.
@SnoutMajor
@SnoutMajor 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Johnson.
@TV---kn2rl
@TV---kn2rl 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that will be part of the plot of Pixar's "Soul" coming out
@michaelpalmieri7335
@michaelpalmieri7335 4 жыл бұрын
@@SnoutMajor Thanks for the info.
@TahtahmesDiary
@TahtahmesDiary 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelpalmieri7335 In traditional Black American and African spirituality the crossroads have no devil, it is a place of goodness, choice & change. We have the Crossroads Man who is a spirit that can make deals, but isn't here to just take your soul, a bottle of liquor and some cigs and candy or money will do for most requests. But when Christianity sees pagan religions, every non Jesus spirit is translated as the Devil which changes the way the lore is retold sadly. West Africa and the Congo had no devil before colonization, that is where AA and our customs come from.
@TV---kn2rl
@TV---kn2rl 4 жыл бұрын
@@TahtahmesDiary Interesting, did West Africa and the Congo believe in evil spirits or demon-like creatures if not a Devil?
@benjaminfeld6388
@benjaminfeld6388 3 жыл бұрын
I can understand your opinion on Monstero. And, to a degree I can kind of agree with you. But I'm sure we can both agree that, with the possible exception of the coachman, Monstero is perhaps the most frightening antagonist in the entire Pinocchio movie.
@whiz8569
@whiz8569 3 жыл бұрын
"I was originally going to say a lot about Monstro." It's a shame you didn't in the end. I would love to hear what you've figured out about the whale.
@UsoTeaMor
@UsoTeaMor 2 жыл бұрын
Same. He could have at least talked about how be appeared in other media. Disappointing
@DanielChannel57
@DanielChannel57 2 жыл бұрын
@@UsoTeaMor And how it might have inspired the intense orca chase sequence in Don Bluth's "The Pebble and the Penguin".
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 2 жыл бұрын
A separate video on Monstro could be nice.
@OsmSkylandersCheats
@OsmSkylandersCheats 3 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion, or rather unpopular theory/headcanon, but I’ve always seen the Coachman as a malevolent fae rather than a demon. I mean, he doesn’t go by his real name (just a title), abducts young boys (reminding me of Changelings), has unclear/inhuman motives and morality - he’s also sort of a foil to the Blue Fairy, who is, well, a fairy. Also, the fae have ties to demons - some have said that the fae were fallen angels or demons themselves, and according to the Ballad of Tam Lin the fae have a tithe to Hell. And the crossroads were associated with a lot of supernatural things, not just the Devil.
@revolvingworld2676
@revolvingworld2676 2 жыл бұрын
If that's really the case, Blue Fairy in the story shows that (at least in this story) not all fairies are evil or have ties to hell.
@GoldieTamamo
@GoldieTamamo 2 жыл бұрын
@@revolvingworld2676 Seelie vs Unseelie Fae, that's nothing... new?
@Passions5555
@Passions5555 Жыл бұрын
I always saw him as being more of a sinister fae being rather than an actual demon. It would fit his motivations and the fae could run any where from benevolent to malicious or even somewhere in between (depending on their mood). He was terrifying though.
@Passions5555
@Passions5555 Жыл бұрын
@@GoldieTamamo the seelie court of did not necessarily mean they were benevolent, they could be just as malicious and sinister as the unseelie court. The seelie court just meant they had rules and laws and their own moral code they were expected to live by. However that does not mean that they shared our morals. They could be self righteous about it. The coachman could be part of the seelie court if he felt over indulgence was wrong and was deliberately luring kids to test them akd then punish them when they acted out. That is one of the things that's scary about the fae.
@GoldieTamamo
@GoldieTamamo Жыл бұрын
@@Passions5555 The point I was more trying to get at, was that, the concept of seelie and unseelie courts were still an attempt at moral distinction of fae by humans--that existed long before Collodi's Fairy With Turquoise Hair--at least, from the perspective of fiction-writing. I wasn't trying to assert that Seelie fae were harmless or without ill intention. (which I consider to be a terrible metric for determining beneficence, anyway--"good" people have ill intentions toward those who are doing wrong by their own moral code, it's why we have crime and punishment. Beneficence is a far more complex parameter than not doing or not being able to do harm.) To be frank, and this is just my personal takeaway--I think the Blue Fairy/Fairy With the Turquoise Hair was in on the whole scheme of Pinnochio being turned into a donkey, and was just interested in teaching him an object lesson in responsibility, which is why she eventually bails him out of that state--at least in the original stories (the original ones where Pinnochio doesn't just up and get hanged, anyway). Where I see the seelie and unseelie courts deviating, is that unseelie fae seem to be rabid, rogue, or aggrieved to the point of frenzy and madness. I wasn't actually drawing a line between the coachman and the blue fairy at all--it was beside the point of my observation. See, part of the problem, too, is that we're kind of discussing the idea of beings closer to mythic Scottish and Gaelic origin in their systematization, through the lens of an Italian humorist in the 1800s with Italian moral scruples, in a story where the fairies are very clearly nigh-omnipotent forces of nature acting as a framing device for exploring human morals. So as far as being an accurate depiction of the fair folk goes, Pinnochio isn't even exactly the best place to start, anyway.
@christopherwall2121
@christopherwall2121 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, "Geppetto", God's gift to the Whose Line Is It Anyway cast. Anyways, I'm not that surprised that the Fox and Cat, in the comics, don't get away with anywhere near as much; even if they never met Mickey or Donald, who tend to be more on the ball than Pinocchio, after twice being endangered listening to them, Pinocchio is probably at least a tad more cautious around them. And finally, show of hands, who else finds that storyboard version of the Coachman's promise of no squealers even creepier, where he just shifts back to beatific-looking?
@rdphoenix07
@rdphoenix07 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was pretty creepy, actually. It gave me chills just looking at it.
@bronxbearbud272
@bronxbearbud272 4 жыл бұрын
Pinocchio has been much on my mind in these coronavirus days. As I've watched Disney vlogs urging people to go back to the park and enjoy the magic, I always think of The Coachman luring Pinocchio and the other errant boys to climb on board for Pleasure Island, of course making no mention of the dangers that await them. It is at this point in the movie that Jiminy Cricket jumps on board the coach and says a line that is well suited to today, as Disney World re-opens this afternoon: "Here we go again".
@colbystearns5238
@colbystearns5238 4 жыл бұрын
I never thought of it that way, but that's a great point! Pleasure Island in this case is Walt Disney World opening back up and the people visiting and going from healthy to sick (perhaps even dying) as a result of COVID are like the boys transforming into donkeys. Perhaps the Disney corporation acts as the Coachman in this comparison.
@bronxbearbud272
@bronxbearbud272 4 жыл бұрын
@@colbystearns5238 Thank you and please join me in spreading that warning. These people are not going to disappear into some Peruvian salt mine, they are going to return to our cities and towns and could well end up kicking us in the face with a little coronavirus souvenir because they needed to "feel the magic". Oh good and kind Blue Fairy, please send Jiminy Cricket back to us! We sure do need him...
@MichaelSar12IsBack
@MichaelSar12IsBack 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, jeez, that's a great metaphor that I probably would have never thought of myself.
@yotus9337
@yotus9337 3 жыл бұрын
Geez. I think I’m pinocchio
@patrickmanway290
@patrickmanway290 Жыл бұрын
Some Disney parks fans are incredibly self centered people.
@missemmit90
@missemmit90 4 жыл бұрын
OMG the storyboard pics of the coachman look as sinister as the finished look for the films! Plus Lampwick’s donkey transformation still scares me 😨😨
@gatheringleaves
@gatheringleaves 3 жыл бұрын
Honest John and Gideon are my favorite duo
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
Mine too ❤️
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
@@meg9998 So do I ❤️
@dylanpietz7855
@dylanpietz7855 Жыл бұрын
Me too. They're two of my favorite animal characters.
@Freyafanboy90
@Freyafanboy90 3 жыл бұрын
What I have noticed is the escaltion of villains is nicely done. With Honest John and Gideon being obvious conmen due to their overly friendily demenour but thir attire marks them as vagrents or such so they have something to gain. Stromboli is more of a mix of the coachman and honest john gideon; he's friendily to a degree but is only evil due to business, then we have the coachman who is just evil. So far the main motivation with these 3 is money. Honest John/Gideon are vagrent like so they are after money even if it's a small amount, Stormboli see's the future profits in his purchase of pinocchio and the coachman turs kids into donkets and sells them. Monstro is almost like evil in it's purest form. Yes Monstro is a whale and doing what animals due but in trying to escape and survive he can be seen as a villain in that repsect and thus monstro is pure evil in that he is driven by instinct and has no movtive other then the catch and comsume. SO we go from fairly obvious and light hearted sort to villains to what one could call pure evil.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 Жыл бұрын
I think you mean “going from ‘human in nature’ to ‘wild like an animal’ in rank”, if you’re bringing Monstro into the mix.
@flyingstonemon3564
@flyingstonemon3564 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how evil in Pinocchio opens with animals behaving like humans, then humans driven by the same greed and being wrathful and one that turns humans into animals for money and maybe sadistic reasons, then to close It all we have an animal doing exactly what animals do, consume, purely so, the greedy wrath of hunger.
@glideiz111
@glideiz111 4 жыл бұрын
Since my childhood I was impressed of how big and scary Monstro was. I believe she is one of the scariest Disney's creatures. Please do a video where you can talk more about her!
@fattuscattus2200
@fattuscattus2200 4 жыл бұрын
Andrei S Monstro is actually male. Pinocchio refers to him as “he” several times.
@glideiz111
@glideiz111 4 жыл бұрын
@@fattuscattus2200 In my Native language, all non-human nouns have either male or female pronouns, and we use "she" to refer to The world "whale". So I've watched my entire life they refering to Monstro as "she". I don't think Monstro would be mad about that 🥴
@fattuscattus2200
@fattuscattus2200 4 жыл бұрын
Andrei S ah I see.
@starkman78
@starkman78 3 жыл бұрын
My brother's ex-wife has a lifelong phobia of whales and she doesn't know where it came from. I can only surmise that she watched Pinocchio at a very young age and doesn't remember. Monstro is REALLY terrifying. It took many years and a lot of education to understand that whales are truly gentle giants. Of course they need to eat, but, left to their own devices, they're happy to just swim all over the world, make babies, and live their lives.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 2 жыл бұрын
@@glideiz111 He probably would, if you're gender-labeling by species.
@-Unidentified_Comment-
@-Unidentified_Comment- 4 жыл бұрын
*Fun Fact:* In Cuphead the grin that King Dice does in his boss fight was based off of the grin pulled off by the coachman in this movie
@benhuether5474
@benhuether5474 Жыл бұрын
Pinocchio NEEDS a dark “Something Wicked This Way Comes” style spinoff movie about Pleasure Island and The Coachman’s backstory.
@dandycrow2821
@dandycrow2821 29 күн бұрын
I found this trivia on Disney Wiki and Villains Wiki about Pinocchio: "Monstro, though even for him his ultimate fate is left unclear, is the only antagonist of Pinocchio who gets any sort of final comeuppance onscreen. Honest John Worthington Foulfellow and Gideon conned Pinocchio and were never seen again afterwards, though in a deleted scene, they were taken into police custody by the law enforcement and it is implied happened offscreen due to Geppetto having learned of Pinocchio's presence on Pleasure Island and because Pinocchio escaped from it as Honest John feared could happen, Stromboli left the town with his caravan, though it is implied that his new show was ruined as Pinocchio escaped, and the Coachman was last seen locking up the kids turned donkeys on Pleasure Island to sell them into slavery."
@RADARMYBRAT32
@RADARMYBRAT32 Жыл бұрын
The Coachman is just the stuff of nightmares
@gianlucacolangelo6578
@gianlucacolangelo6578 4 жыл бұрын
14:48 "YOU WANT FUN? STROMBOLI SHOW YOU FUN!!!!"
@mairivannella7050
@mairivannella7050 4 жыл бұрын
I motion for this to be modded.
@AliciaNyblade
@AliciaNyblade 5 ай бұрын
The donkey transformation sequence freaked me out so much as a kid I literally blocked it from my memory. I completely forgot about it until I was watching "Pinocchio" again years later in my 20s. As it started to unfold, the memory was unlocked and I was like, "Oh, THIS fucking scene!"
@hzafary
@hzafary 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video! The Pinocchio villains really are interesting. As much as i disagree with his actions, i dont think a disney character makes me laugh as hard as Gideon does! He’s my favorite villain!
@jediknight38
@jediknight38 4 жыл бұрын
The Pleasure Island scene where all the kids turned into donkeys used to scare the pants off of me as a kid. Disney would have been great at making animated HORROR movies if he actually dared to make them.
@timrob12
@timrob12 4 жыл бұрын
I met Stromboli a few times in Disneyland in Paris and whoever was in the costume took the role very seriously, not giving out an autograph until I called him "MONSIEUR Stromboli" and even at one time painfully butting my brother's head and mine against each other. Luckily, the pain didn't last for long and it didn't ruin our magical experience either.
@aussieman3021
@aussieman3021 4 жыл бұрын
The thought of those boys being turned into donkeys makes me feel very agitated, especially in the way that they are treated by the evil Coachman.
@JOHNLARZONI89
@JOHNLARZONI89 3 жыл бұрын
I like that Stromboli (Mangiafuoco) and the Coachman ("il Postiglione" in Italian) are voiced by the same person. It reminds me of "Dracula" and "Nosferatu" (1922). The coachman („der Kutscher“ in German) that takes Jonathan Harker (Thomas Hutter in "Nosferatu") to Count Dracula (Count Orlok in "Nosferatu") is actually the count („der Graf“ in German) in disguise. They are the same person.
@mykiethomas
@mykiethomas 2 жыл бұрын
Honest John actually does refer to him as “the coachman” in the Disney movie when they show them plotting about pleasure island.
@davidthomas283
@davidthomas283 3 жыл бұрын
Brent Spiner's Data was also a Pinocchio type wishing to be more human.
@CybeargPlays
@CybeargPlays 4 жыл бұрын
I thought this would be one of those typical "top villains" type things, but it's so much more and better!
@Tree_e888
@Tree_e888 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny because in the original Pinocchio book The Fox and cat are defeated, the cat pretends to be blind and the fox pretends to be lame (or vice versa I don't remember) but near the end of the book they actually do become blind and lame, but Pinocchio, who has now learned to not trust them, berates them for being so deceitful and leaves them to live out there now ruined lives.
@KaminoKatie
@KaminoKatie 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic
@normalperson4413
@normalperson4413 Жыл бұрын
Lame
@mightyfilm
@mightyfilm 4 жыл бұрын
There's just something weird about Mel Blanc voicing an original Disney animated character. June Foray's career took her to all the different studios to the point where she initially turned down playing Witch Hazel in Looney Tunes cartoons because she was afraid that it would be too similar to the Witch Hazel in that one Donald Duck cartoon. But Mel is so distinctly rooted in Looney Tunes at that point, it felt unnatural. Sure, he was Woody Woodpecker in the very early shorts before being recast, and they still used his laugh for a while after, but just imagine his distinct voice coming out of a Disney cartoon.
@MichaelSar12IsBack
@MichaelSar12IsBack 3 жыл бұрын
Well, Mel did voice a lot of Hanna-Barbera characters too, so...
@mightyfilm
@mightyfilm 3 жыл бұрын
He had a long history of voice work outside of Looney Tunes, yes, but not one that's associated with Disney. Not to mention the Looney Tunes cartoons were made around the same time as this movie was, and H-B was still doing Tom and Jerry if anything. Mel's gigs at H-B and UPA (among others) was years away at this time. Somehow, I feel Walt would hire Mel to do a voice for a movie and then find a way to weasel out of it because he was associated with the competition. That does seem like something he'd do, anyway.
@anthonysimpsonanygoround8749
@anthonysimpsonanygoround8749 Жыл бұрын
Just a side note about June Foray, as long as she was mentioned: she did the sounds for Lucifer the cat in Cinderella (1950) and later modeled for the mermaids in Peter Pan (1953). Just as you said with Mel Blanc, her work took her to various studios over the years.
@speedracer2008
@speedracer2008 Жыл бұрын
I first heard of June Foray through her role as Mulan’s sardonic grandmother in Mulan (1998). I had no idea she had a big voice acting career until recently.
@mightyfilm
@mightyfilm Жыл бұрын
@@speedracer2008 I grew up watching a LOT of stuff where she did voicework for, and I was always one to follow remarkable voice actors even as a kid. Bullwinkle and Ducktales episodes mostly.
@NobodyTouchesTifa
@NobodyTouchesTifa Ай бұрын
This is from Villains Wiki, Wickedpedia, Disney Wiki and TVTropes: Honest John and Gideon aren’t seen again for the rest of the film, but in a deleted scene, they are arrested by the police for their dishonest actions (though it's not clear for what exactly), which can also be easily deduced by the viewers, since Pinocchio came back from Pleasure Island as Honest John feared could happen and he's an inhabitant of the same village. However, considering that in the script and in book and comic book adaptations it’s specified that Geppetto went to search for Pinocchio on Pleasure Island and Honest John and Gideon were the only ones who knew about Pinocchio's whereabouts on said island (possibly along with other villagers who could have heard Honest John singing the song about Pleasure Island in the late evening while taking Pinocchio to the coach for it out of town, another sign of John's stupidity[kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gs6abLaL3JPOcp8.htmlsi=pJDZiyN-0wBOKpnm kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gs6abLaL3JPOcp8.htmlsi=pJDZiyN-0wBOKpnm|14:37 ]), it can be inferred that they were arrested offscreen or wanted by authorities for that. It can also be inferred that he and Gideon may have suffered the same fate as their book counterparts or trying to escape from the law in fear.[kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gb2Xp61-ypyUiYU.htmlsi=8xSpsKUMYaDLmUBn kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gb2Xp61-ypyUiYU.htmlsi=8xSpsKUMYaDLmUBn|50:44 ] *Although their ultimate fate in the film is left to the interpretation of the viewers, like for the rest of the other antagonists, it is suggested that Honest John and Gideon suffered some sort of comeuppance offscreen during the days Pinocchio stayed on Pleasure Island, since Geppetto, before being swallowed by [[Monstro (Disney)|Monstro the whale]], sailed to said island after learning that Pinocchio was taken there, and the only people who could knew that were Honest John and Gideon and probably some villagers who heard the already notorious crooks singing loudly the song about Pleasure Island in late evening while taking Pinocchio to the coach. *There are few clues that suggest that Honest John and Gideon got a final comeuppance off-screen like the other villains (except for the [[Coachman]]), whether they got arrested or have been running from the law: **Geppetto found out of Pinocchio's location on Pleasure Island, and the only ones who could know this were the aforementioned two crooks or the villagers who may have heard them taking Pinocchio to the coach at the crossroads.[kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gs6abLaL3JPOcp8.htmlsi=oKuFN9UeerjJ9Trz kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gs6abLaL3JPOcp8.htmlsi=oKuFN9UeerjJ9Trz|14:37 ] David Koenig, Mouse Under Glass: Secrets of Disney Animation and Theme Parks. [archive.org/details/mouseunderglasss0000koen ISBN 0-9640605-0-7 ] "Geppetto, Figaro and goldfish Cleo, sailing over the choppy Sea to rescue Pinocchio, take a short cut through the Narrows; it's dangerous but they have to get there quickly. Within sight of Pleasure Island, Geppetto says, '''''Nothing can stop us now!''''', when they are swallowed by Monstro, guardian of the Terrible Straits." **Alternatively, Pinocchio escaped from Pleasure Island, the only boy who made it, and this was the biggest fear of Honest John back at the Red Lobster Inn. **The Blue Fairy transformed Pinocchio into a real boy as a reward for being "truthful". There's no scene on-screen in the movie that shows this, so this implies that Pinocchio told Geppetto the whole story of his misadventures off-screen while in the Monstro's belly before planning to escape. In fact, various events happen off-screen in the movie and in many films of the Walt Disney's era, usually to focus the most on the protagonists.
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe that these two films both bombed at the box office on the day of their releases, despite receiving positive reviews from critics.
@ginogatash4030
@ginogatash4030 Жыл бұрын
Well Disney's Pinocchio came out during WW2 so...
@lisanettles2731
@lisanettles2731 3 жыл бұрын
16:03, Honest John did say alright "Coachman", what's your proposition?, so that counts as his name is said on screen.
@crazypinkwerewolf
@crazypinkwerewolf 4 жыл бұрын
I love the Disney villain series!
@squallrowlandson8028
@squallrowlandson8028 3 жыл бұрын
Stromboli is like the Disney version of Wario. (Fun fact: They are both Italian characters)
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 3 жыл бұрын
Squall Rowlandson Heck, even Teruteru Hanamura.
@wickedfeylady
@wickedfeylady 4 жыл бұрын
For the record, Little Roxie was always rather fond of her inflatable Monstro bath toy, and didn't see him as evil. This was a great video, Colin! I like that you included Geppetto and clips from the Italian Pinocchio movie I grew up with. PS: If you ever need help with Italian pronunciation, I'm your girl.
@fernandogamez7463
@fernandogamez7463 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a whale toy when I was younger
@TheMoogleMaster
@TheMoogleMaster 3 жыл бұрын
I had one of those as well.
@princessmarlena1359
@princessmarlena1359 Жыл бұрын
Had a pool toy of a whale that filled up and squirted water, looked like Monstro. My fraternal twin brother and I named him that.
@darkninjafirefox
@darkninjafirefox 4 жыл бұрын
For some reason the pediatrician office waiting room I went to as a kid thought it was a good idea to put a model of pinnochio in the cage hanging in the corner. The rest of the waiting room had books and fish tanks to look at
@GhostbustersFan1713
@GhostbustersFan1713 3 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The donkey boy that can still talk ( Alexander ) has the same voice actor as Pinocchio ( Dickie Jones )
@Quirky_Ventriloquist
@Quirky_Ventriloquist 3 жыл бұрын
Also, Stromboli and Coachman were voiced by the same actor (Charles Judels).
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
That’s right
@madeleinemcgregor2855
@madeleinemcgregor2855 3 жыл бұрын
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist That’s right. May I ask you something? What do you really love about Honest John?
@Quirky_Ventriloquist
@Quirky_Ventriloquist 3 жыл бұрын
@@madeleinemcgregor2855 He is funny and the way he manipulates Pinocchio is so realistic. Also, he had every right to fear Pleasure Island.
@chloemr.pippinsfanmail95
@chloemr.pippinsfanmail95 3 жыл бұрын
I did not know that.
@jenniferschillig3768
@jenniferschillig3768 4 жыл бұрын
Funny you should mention that Foulfellow and Gideon were in a storybook adaptation of The Emperor's New Clothes. A Pooh storybook from the mid-80s was also a riff on The Emperor's New Clothes--Pooh got tricked the same way. The trickster was a fellow named Sly Fox--who was a dead ringer for Foulfellow.
@EntertainmentFan11
@EntertainmentFan11 3 жыл бұрын
And Monstro has appeared in the Kingdom Hearts franchise not once, not twice, but FOUR times. In the original Kingdom Hearts game, he swallowed Geppetto, yes, and apparently Pinocchio, too, when Sora and his friends left Pinoke after encountering him in Traverse Town, only for the heroic trio to get swallowed by the whale themselves, finding the puppet, meeting Geppetto, encountering Riku, and fighting a Heartless that attacks the little fella. In Chain of Memories, it's kinda more or less the same, except Pinocchio was trying to find a way to get out of the whale, saying that it's his fault for not going to school like he was supposed to, the Heartless boss attacks Pinoke again, but this time, after Sora and the others defeat it, Pinocchio is the one who gets it to spit him out, and he gets the idea of doing the same thing to Monstro. In Dream Drop Distance, Pinocchio tells Jiminy the false story of him meeting monsters that tie him up, but that he got away from them, and mentioning a guy in a black coat who told the puppet to play a trick on Sora (which was true). Sora chases after Pinoke and Jiminy in the ocean, and see them get swallowed by Monstro, but then a giant Dream Eater freezes the whale, but after Sora thaws out the whale, Monstro swallows the Dream Eater for good measure, then Riku finds himself in the whale, and going after Pinoke who was seen walking off with a stranger in a black coat (which was Riku's dark side), then Riku fights the Dream Eater that Monstro swallowed earlier, and Pinocchio's reunited with his father. In Birth By Sleep, you actually fight him. This is only in the Final Mix version, but it's pretty cool.
@jenniferschillig3768
@jenniferschillig3768 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned Brent Spiner's Stromboli--one of the saving graces of that rather blah movie. (Brent Spiner in a story about an artificially created being who wants to be human? Come on, who would buy that?)
@lucianonmarazzo436
@lucianonmarazzo436 5 ай бұрын
When I was a little kid. I always thought that the cigarettes and beer they drank were tainted. And that's what turned them into donkeys.
@CorinneVictoria5
@CorinneVictoria5 4 жыл бұрын
8:00 oh dear God you've just released my nightmares. That film was so disturbing
@Donde_Lieta
@Donde_Lieta 4 жыл бұрын
I spent a large part of my childhood being TERRIFIED of turning into a donkey. I was also super afraid of Stromboli (I grew up to be an actor/ singer 😂) always afraid of being trapped in a bird cage.
@anthonysimpsonanygoround8749
@anthonysimpsonanygoround8749 Жыл бұрын
Hi!-it’s Anthony, who shared a lot of your You Tube thread comments regarding Rodgers and Hammerstein’s “Carousel”. I just wanted you to know that “Pinocchio” is probably my second favorite Disney film (after “Dumbo”) and some of its darker scenes certainly had a great emotional impact on me when I was young and they still do. My family lived in London when I was 11 & 12 and certain theatres (English spelling!) in London back then from 1970-1972 showed Disney classics. They were and still are very involving especially when viewed on a big cinema screen.
@cramerfloro5936
@cramerfloro5936 4 жыл бұрын
He's the cat, And I'm the fox, You can trust us!
@ReveiwKing999
@ReveiwKing999 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny you mentioned that one Emperor's New Clothes adaptation where Foulfellow and Gideon trick Prince John. A friend of mine used to have this series of Disney stories and one of them had Foulfellow pulling the Emperor's New Clothes routine again, this time on Pooh and as a solo act, no Gideon involved.
@MichaelSar12IsBack
@MichaelSar12IsBack 3 жыл бұрын
I remember reading that book! I think Foulfellow was called "Sly Fox" there.
@leannezezeski-sass2773
@leannezezeski-sass2773 Жыл бұрын
Pinocchio never really scared me as a kid. My grandparents showed it to me when I was 4 and it didn’t really phase me, my parents used to let me watch R rated horror movies with them on tv. I had already saw the chunky movies, Halloween, and the shining by that point. But as an adult this movie is so damn unsettling me once you actually understand the themes.
@eggmannega6895
@eggmannega6895 3 жыл бұрын
18:30 There is a separate Pleasure Island for adults: It's called Las Vegas.
@travishimebaugh8381
@travishimebaugh8381 4 жыл бұрын
And the moral of the story is be honest and work hard, or sleazy types will take advantage of you ... And also that the law apparently won't do anything about all those sleazy types engaging in blatant child abduction
@immanuelcunt7296
@immanuelcunt7296 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is that the sleazy types often know how to take advantage of you in ways that are legal, through manipulation and such. Hollywood does it all the time to child actors.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 Жыл бұрын
The Coachman did get away with it in the original story. The Fox and Cat, not so much.
@ginogatash4030
@ginogatash4030 Жыл бұрын
honestly I like that the villains get away with their shit, pushing so hard for villains to get their comeuppance ingrains in people a mindset that in turn kindness has to be rewarded which makes people want to be nice for the prize rather than doing it cause it's the right thing, and makes seeing bastards in the real world get the prize instead while you eat shit more frustrating and makes you wonder what's the point of being decent if it doesn't always gets you what you want, when really you should be doing good regardless of others' comeuppance and such without expecting a reward because making the world around you that little bit nicer is enough of a reward. and it's also a good way to teach children not to fall for snake oil salesman and such, not that there's anything wrong with having stories that do have comeuppances, bit I like some variety, and it makes the film more unique compared to the rest of the Disney catalogue.
@princessmarlena1359
@princessmarlena1359 Жыл бұрын
I’d say it’s be honest, always take the opportunity to learn when possible, and listen to your conscience. If something doesn’t seem right, it might not be. Pinocchio noticed this in the saloon as his buddy transformed into a donkey, so he stopped drinking and smoking right away.
@willday9316
@willday9316 3 жыл бұрын
I thought up the idea that The Coachman and his crew are just one of many henchman used dark forces and that the boys becoming donkeys is just the first step in them ultimately becoming Demons, who will then devour The Coachman and another takes his place: a horrible cycle for all!
@ginogatash4030
@ginogatash4030 Жыл бұрын
what is that even based on? it's a pretty wild take with not much evidence.
@biomuseum6645
@biomuseum6645 Жыл бұрын
My mom: *the food isn't that hot!* The food: 9:00
@katiehickey4539
@katiehickey4539 2 жыл бұрын
What a pity. I'd so have loved to see the other Disney's Pinocchio villains get their well deserved defeats for their actions. I wonder if we'll see that happen in the live action remake of Pinocchio.
@ginogatash4030
@ginogatash4030 Жыл бұрын
no that would ruin the whole point if the film, so obviously they're going to do it.
@Strout1791
@Strout1791 4 жыл бұрын
Monstro has always been my favorite in the movie.
@sweetboxoforeos963
@sweetboxoforeos963 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you reuploaded it!
@twist58
@twist58 Жыл бұрын
I have a theory: Stromboli proved to be hardly friendly and paid Honest John and Gideon very low. Whereas the Coachman knows about Stromboli’s exploits (perhaps even met him at one point) and sees that as child’s play. The Coachman one-ups him big time as the most cunning, ruthless villain of Pinocchio.
@Neyebureturns
@Neyebureturns 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the look of the coachmen’s henchmen inspired the look of the Phantom Blot.
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 4 жыл бұрын
No. How would that even make sense?
@Neyebureturns
@Neyebureturns 4 жыл бұрын
@@shellyvision9693 they are dudes completely cover by black robes, they look like the Phantom Blot
@shellyvision9693
@shellyvision9693 4 жыл бұрын
@@Neyebureturns Oh sorry I misread it as the Coachman himself
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 3 жыл бұрын
@@Neyebureturns Actually, it could be possible that the Phantom Blot was modelled after the Mad Doctor's cloak, since in Epic Mickey, he wore the outfit in his first confrontation, which made fanbrats confused, thus the original cutscene, along with the model, was scrapped (the model being lost forever).
@soulslvr9562
@soulslvr9562 4 жыл бұрын
It has been five hundred years but it has returned! Cant wait for the next part keep up the good work
@SonicJrandSarah
@SonicJrandSarah 5 ай бұрын
While I agree on some level that Monstro may not be considered a true villain, when Pinocchio mentions him to the fish in the sea, they all look shocked and run away, implying that Mosntro is feared across the ocean. We also see some sea-wrecked ships close by Monstro in the first scene where we actually see him. Jiminy also warned Pinocchio not to go after Monstro before they enter the sea. Also, in the original book, Monstro was an unnamed shark instead of a whale, and instead of using fire, Pinocchio and Gepetto just sneak out of his belly while he was sleeping with his mouth open and he never finds out they escaped. In the remake, he does give a villainous laugh as he is chasing Pinocchio and Gepetto at the end after they escape.
@kalel311superman9
@kalel311superman9 3 жыл бұрын
i always wondered why Gedeon did not have any lines but now i get it
@samrizzardi2213
@samrizzardi2213 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, _thank you_ for using footage from Giuliano Cenci's 1970s animated movie to illustrate scenes from the book that are absent in the Disney version. It's a gem of European animation that needs more attention.
@tearoses9940
@tearoses9940 4 жыл бұрын
I watched Pinocchio a lot when I was little, and I honestly don’t remember the scary scenes that much. I didn’t realize how scary those moments were until I watched it again years later, wondering “How was I not terrified by this as a kid?”
@jemboy1987
@jemboy1987 4 жыл бұрын
Cinderella also violated the Haze Code as we see Cinderella's nude silhouette which was a violation. They seemed not to pay as much attention to animated films at the time.
@ginogatash4030
@ginogatash4030 Жыл бұрын
it's kinda weird, you'd think they pay more attention to Disney films if anything since their films are aimed at young audiences, maybe they didn't bother because cartoon anatomy wasn't real enough for them to be considered vulgar or whatever?
@Sakuyamon
@Sakuyamon Жыл бұрын
@@ginogatash4030 Hard to say... back when the movie was made, animations were rare and it was like going to the opera, fancy and decadent. So maybe they looked through their fingers because of how special long animation were at that time? Or maybe a little bribe made people ignore it.
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman Жыл бұрын
Maybe someone had to finagle that in. It reminds me of how hard the Star Wars Fallen Order developers had to fight to be allowed to make the main character a white man. Totally innocuous? Yes. Punters would be offended? No. But it's politically incorrect and offends the elites.
@aidanhever3369
@aidanhever3369 4 жыл бұрын
WOW, the Monstro section is kinda short. You didn't mention that he's based on The Terrible Dogfish, a giant shark from the original book, not even his other appearance, such as: Comics, ice shows, attractions, the Kingdom Hearts series and Once Upon Time.
@robbiewalker2831
@robbiewalker2831 3 жыл бұрын
That's because, again, Monstro isn't much so a villain.
@aidanhever3369
@aidanhever3369 3 жыл бұрын
@@robbiewalker2831 Can you explain me, please ?
@UsoTeaMor
@UsoTeaMor 2 жыл бұрын
@@robbiewalker2831 why bring him up at all then?
@UsoTeaMor
@UsoTeaMor 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I was disappointed he didn’t talk about him more and how he appeared in different media
@austinreed7343
@austinreed7343 2 жыл бұрын
A bonus video on him would be nice.
@LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat
@LittleJoeTheMoonlightCat Жыл бұрын
Interesting that Commander Data Would Play Stromboli Since On When Riker Meets Data on Star Trek The Next Generation, Commander Riker Calls him Pinocchio.
@NoNameNo.5
@NoNameNo.5 3 жыл бұрын
Hiiiigh Didely dee, an actors life for me!
@Quirky_Ventriloquist
@Quirky_Ventriloquist 3 жыл бұрын
That's why I love Honest John.
@collinmurr3207
@collinmurr3207 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my is Gepetto a bad movie, but Spiner is clearly having a ball hamming it up and his performance is thoroughly entertaining.
@musicbox193
@musicbox193 4 жыл бұрын
Most Disney movies have one main villain, but Pinocchio has three, not counting the fox and cat. They are more like secondary villains in the Disney version.
@allanlabanowski7059
@allanlabanowski7059 4 жыл бұрын
God, you consistently make top-quality content. Keep it up man. I really love these Disney Villain videos
@rodrigocoockiemonster4460
@rodrigocoockiemonster4460 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploafing this!
@weegoh8324
@weegoh8324 3 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned the fact that in the original book as well as the Geppetto film, Pinocchio becomes a full blown Jackass. And then Pinocchio was sold to a antagonist that did not make it into the film, the ringleader. Though he would kind off get fused with the coachman in Geppetto.
@MrHydesAlterEgo
@MrHydesAlterEgo 4 жыл бұрын
Delightfully thorough research, as always. I love how you contextualize the characters through many pieces of media.
@paigemurphy7770
@paigemurphy7770 3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe how rebellious the literary Pinocchio was. I believe the 'turn into donkeys' bit is adult humor of asshole becoming real asses. The literary Monstro was a shark.
@garveyneal1672
@garveyneal1672 4 жыл бұрын
You for disney's live action remake of Pinocchio and with Robert zemeckis directing I want the coachman to be play a much larger role with stromboli as his sidekick each one getting their own comeuppance. and Monstro, Honest John, and gideon become enemies turned good friends.
@noctisluciscaelum211
@noctisluciscaelum211 Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping the Disney remake expands on stuff mainly the coachman cause it still leaves with a question of what happened to the boys.
@Grinning.Cadaver
@Grinning.Cadaver 4 жыл бұрын
Awe, yes: another Fantastic video! Very informative, indeed.
@SuperKiobi13
@SuperKiobi13 4 жыл бұрын
the coachman is underrated as hell
@ehhong8067
@ehhong8067 2 жыл бұрын
I always wanted an origin story of him
@ColonelFredPuntridge
@ColonelFredPuntridge 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite bit in the original novel never makes it into the movies. It's when Pinocchio, just after being robbed by the Fox and the Cat, goes to court to report the thieves to the magistrate. The magistrate (who is an aging gorilla) listens very sympathetically to Pinocchio's complaint, and then announces to the court: "You heard him - he admits that he was robbed. So, lock hiim up!" And Pinocchio gets locked up in jail, for having been the VICTIM of the crime. He stays in jail until he manages to persuade the jailer that he (Pinocchio) is also a dangerous criminal. When the jailer is persuaded of this, he lets Pinocchio go.
@NicholasRSims
@NicholasRSims 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Fun and Fancy Free Willie might have been the villain but he was so childish that latter appearances made him more on the good side ,
@sesamefan4049
@sesamefan4049 Жыл бұрын
The new Pinocchio remake has Foulfellow voiced by Keegan-Michael Key and Gideon once again silent; Stromboli played by Giuseppe Battiston; and the Coachman played by Luke Evans (who also plays a vendor on Pleasure Island). As for Monstro, he has been changed from a whale to a sea monster.
@MasterSpud
@MasterSpud 4 жыл бұрын
First episode I’ve found of this retrospective, and I’m really enjoying it so far. Can’t wait to catch up and can’t wait to see more.
@heyheyhey121121
@heyheyhey121121 Жыл бұрын
thanks for this video, i especially enjoyed your notice of Pinocchio's flouting of the hays code. one of many reasons this film has perhaps fueled more nightmares than any other
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