A Hate Crime Cover Up: The Shocking Story of Shelby Tracy Tom

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6 ай бұрын

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Today’s case focuses on the tragic murder of Shelby Tracy Tom, a Canadian woman who was strangled to death after 29-year-old Jatin Patel discovered she was transgender. The case sparked a national debate over gender politics and how to better prevent hate crimes.
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@EleanorNeale 6 ай бұрын

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@cartoonhead4506 6 ай бұрын

Hey Eleanor

@mariahreirden6224 6 ай бұрын

Hey lady thank you for the stories you tell!❤

@UscruOutlaw 6 ай бұрын

Where I agree that murder should never be an option, Shelby and any other transgender individual has the duty to disclose their transgenderism

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

Elanor honey you missed hard with this case. Stop excusing sa. .

@UscruOutlaw 6 ай бұрын

@@Diamondr11Blue sa?

@pumpkinpatch2203 6 ай бұрын

If that whole "they were coming onto me" really was a defense, imagine how many women could kill men and not get punished for it.

@bismexual_king 6 ай бұрын

My exact thoughts!!

@crispyy.roseeMUA 6 ай бұрын

I'm about to test this theory and say "oh I'm gay, so I gay panicked" 🙄🙄🙄 Like....What?!?! I cannot.

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

Flirting warrants murder?? Why does it seem like you're out for bodies..

@bearisflop 6 ай бұрын

@@crispyy.roseeMUAfunnily (not funny) enough there is a plea that if your straight and someone comes out as gay you can plea that it scared you and get a manslaughter charge. (It’s not exactly that but it’s basically that) Edit: didn’t know she talked about it LOL

@RoynonBabies 6 ай бұрын

Thats exactly what I said

@PopParty-cw2ze 6 ай бұрын

Only 5 years for murder? That’s insane.

@universal_stupidity 6 ай бұрын

it is, but I bet it would be much longer if she hadn't killed trans sex workers

@ash_tray 6 ай бұрын

@@universal_stupidityexactly. It’s so sad.

@fefe1179 6 ай бұрын

??????

@PopParty-cw2ze 6 ай бұрын

@@universal_stupidity yeah, it’s stupid. A human life is a human life. They deserve to be treated equally.

@marilyngregoire6544 6 ай бұрын

@@universal_stupidityyep unfortunately the justice system is messed up

@JS-0- 6 ай бұрын

Getting mad she didn’t disclose being trans is very understandable. Killing isn’t

@thedarkness111 6 ай бұрын

Yeah that was my thought, I think you have a right to know when you're sleeping with someone, perhaps even more so if it's transactional. And also she should have known that that was a risk, and always told clients just to be on the safe side. Of course it in no way justifies murder, or any kind of physical attack.

@imariwalker7248 6 ай бұрын

My thought as well and the sad part is regardless of what you want to be you would always have to disclose that you’re trans to someone that’s straight because that is the first protocol to safety/survival for them because a lot of people don’t like that let alone being deceived if you’re having intimate relations

@alexandrataft499 6 ай бұрын

Yea fr

@user-qm7ku4zd4z 6 ай бұрын

why does it matter though? She’s a woman plain and simple. If you’re enjoying having sex with someone why does it matter what they used to have. You’re teetering in transphobic for having that opinion.

@karenocon9190 6 ай бұрын

Agree. To many men, it’s a big deal to be deceived. They want to be with a natural born woman and not transgender. and transgenders have to realize this and take precautions. Don’t just assume that every guy you meet will be ok with it. Of course they don’t deserve to be murdered either. All sex workers take a big chance, transgender or not.

@laserbeam_ 6 ай бұрын

It's hard not to dislike our Canadian criminal justice system when a murderer, and repeat offender, gets more consideration than their victims.

@missjaclynlouise 6 ай бұрын

Australia is the same , the offender gets nothing for a murdered so many times they have been released just to do it again

@SUGAs_Shadow85 6 ай бұрын

Sometimes it happens in the US, too. Depends on who you know. It's disgusting when this happens 😢

@ohwellwhateverr 6 ай бұрын

Identify as “trans” and you can literally get away with murder.

@grunt-0311 6 ай бұрын

That's what happens when governments are woke

@laserbeam_ 6 ай бұрын

@@grunt-0311 lol what does that even mean. Get off it, snowy.

@Babybtch 6 ай бұрын

I just wanna say thank you Eleanor for covering Shelby’s story. So many trans women taken away from us like this. I appreciate you keeping her name alive

@humanbeeing4780 5 ай бұрын

His* He was a ,an and died a man, at least biologically. He was a pathetic, limp wristed, sad example of a man but a man all the same.

@nae252 3 ай бұрын

The victim was wrong for not mentioning this detail whether you agree or not

@BornToBeWyld 2 ай бұрын

@@nae252But her past wasn't relevant

@nae252 2 ай бұрын

@@BornToBeWyld to him it wasn’t but to most people it was.

@Babybtch 2 ай бұрын

@@nae252 how does that have anything to do with my comment? Go make your own comment elsewhere

@cmk1295 6 ай бұрын

Why doesn’t that defense work when straight people come onto me without me wanting it???

@Elizabeth11.11 6 ай бұрын

Lol the victim mindset here

@cryptidcastles 4 ай бұрын

Victim mentality baby guuuurl

@jasonellis4330 3 ай бұрын

@Elizabeth11.11 They're pointing out the stupidity of the "defence". How is that a victim complex?

@InkSansDrawz Ай бұрын

@@Elizabeth11.11 lol fatherless mindset.

@clownbaby0032 6 ай бұрын

This case disgusted me, how can they give that man only 9 years for murdering that poor woman, bc that is exactly what he did he murdered her, I hope Shelby's family can at least try to move on and remember what a wonderful person she was.

@Han-lp6iq 6 ай бұрын

he murdered a man,don't be brainwashed

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

What woman? Define woman, please.

@elizabetholiver2453 6 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780live and let live people should be allowed to live how they wish to.

@kalico_pawzz 6 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780 A woman is someone who identifies as a woman. Both cis women and trans women are women.

@thereader4153 6 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780dude, this person was murdered! Keep your crappy politics to yourself

@roxannehall5957 6 ай бұрын

Honesty is important. People have the right to not want to have sex with a biological man. But no one has the right to take anyone's life. Sad story.

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

You’re correct, but the word biological is unnecessary. “Shelby” was a man. The only thing we know for sure about him after his death is that he was a man. Every cell in his body is XY. But yes, men do have a right to not be tricked into having sex with other men.

@maryannuur5334 6 ай бұрын

Yes, men should be given all the facts so that consent is there. She is definately down playing how violating it can be based on her own views. (Though I think he knew Shelby was trans and it was an excuse.) but a person being pissed (not murder) isn't an understandable reaction.

@AshleyRachelleArts 6 ай бұрын

Agree, she did not deserve to die and he’s deranged for doing what he did..though hopefully this case can shed some light on how important it is to be honest so no more lives are taken this way.

@InactiveChannel198 6 ай бұрын

Just because this person was trans does not mean they want to sleep with another trans person.

@weedwitch666 6 ай бұрын

buttt she had a vagina sooooo how does that even matter

@mentallydisturbedllama473 6 ай бұрын

Hi Eleanor, I'm sorry to keep bringing this up but I would be over the moon if you would consider doing this specific Swedish case at Malmölatinskola and sharing these vitcim's names and stories, Victoria Edström and Sara Böök. This case really hits close to home as they were my old teachers..and it's still affecting me even after graduating. But it breaks my heart because no-one (not even in our country) is talking about them, they were so lovely and deserve to be known across the world. But also that the defence lawyer was really trying to excuse everything with autism which makes my blood BOIL. I know I've brought it up multiple times but I hope you might consider it. But I am just pushing my luck at this point, hope you understand. May also sound a bit selfish but I think it might being sole closure to know that people are talking about them again. Thank you as always for doing these cases. What you're doing is so so important and that you give so much respect towards the victims. All the love x

@thischannelisdead9 6 ай бұрын

She has a case request link in her description!! I haven't clicked it so I wouldn't know how to request, but in case you haven't noticed it yet, I figured you'd want to give it a shot :]]

@JacquiParada42 6 ай бұрын

I hope their case is covered! ❤

@whoa_livia 6 ай бұрын

Bump! Have you tried case requests? And other creators?

@kristentrep5038 6 ай бұрын

Im bumping your comment, but will third the suggestion to put this case in her case request folder! It’s in her description box, and has been for years and years! Try Stephanie Harlow, Danielle Hallan, maybe that chapter? And maybe Rachel Shannon (I’m pretty sure a lot of these folks do a lot of lesser known cases along with the well known ones)

@mentallydisturbedllama473 6 ай бұрын

Oh, also I forgot to mention that I have already sent a case request. But thank you lot for the advice, suggestions and the bumping. I truly do appreciate it. X

@TeethFingers 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor is always so respectful yet detailed with the way she presents information, it’s why i love this channel

@abbymorgan5618 6 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@iicordii648 6 ай бұрын

Respectful?

@MariMichelle07 6 ай бұрын

She literally called this person's murder a "story" in the title

@TeethFingers 6 ай бұрын

@@MariMichelle07 it is a story??? story doesn’t always mean fictional

@kobemarion1137 6 ай бұрын

Same for Coffeehouse Crime

@transientdaydreams 6 ай бұрын

Can't watch this one because it'd hit too close to home, but I appreciate you shining a light on this issue. The fact that the "gay/trans panic" defense is still legal in so many places, including where I live, is both disgusting and terrifying for me as a trans, queer person who knows and loves many other trans and/or otherwise queer people.

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

As long as you aren’t going around tricking straight men into having sex with you (assuming you’re a man, the other way around if you’re a woman) you have nothing to worry about.

@rbffbvs 6 ай бұрын

Stay strong. You have a lot of allies out here.

@PrincessTreasure 6 ай бұрын

same boat tbh. as horrible as it is and as much as I cant engage with this particular one, I’m so thankful shes talking about this. we live in extremely scary uncertain times.

@user-ek2lq6yz2c 6 ай бұрын

So, when you meet the gender you prefer to have sex with do you not disclose being trans to them? That's pretty fuking evil. If it were me being lied to, that would end the same way as this did.

@kekenaniwilson6138 6 ай бұрын

Honestly besides the guy being a terrible person and criminal, this encounter would've been prevented with simple communication and clear concent. Had she not been surgically changed and gotten as far as the bedroom, the same thing would've happened. Just confirming the person ur with actually wants u for you (meaning the person u were born AND the person u r now) is safer than what she did. It's dangerous as well, but no more dangerous than all other hateful people already out there looking to b mad about something. I'm not trying to victim blame. This person is gone, but for others, we all seriously need to get a clue and learn how beneficial communication is as social creatures. You can't control others, u can control yourself and all Tracy could've done to save her life would've been to say she was transgender. It would cost her money and clients but was it worth her life?

@citruskl 6 ай бұрын

I've heard about this case so many times, but this was the first time someone actually told me about Shelby and her life. I'm so thankful for you putting victims on the map, not for their tragic end, but for their amazing life

@confusedDruid 6 ай бұрын

Its always really nice to hear LGBT+ stories outside of pride month, because they shouldnt be squeezed into a month just because thats "the theme of the month," they're still people who deserve to have their stories heard. It helps make me feel like these stories are more valued and less commercialized for lack of a better wird like the pride-month logos places have for exactly one month then immediately switch it back at the end of June. The LGBT+ community is around year round, and we representation to reflect that. Thank you Eleanor, I feel like you cover these pretty regularly and i personally really appreciate it

@WVRNERBLVCKSMITH 6 ай бұрын

Although it does not excuse what this person did to Shelby. It's extremely important to disclose whether you are trans or not. Not because you'll get murdered or anything but for respecting the other person's preference whether the woman is cis or not. Again I do agree it's an extremely stupid reason to kill someone but it does matter.

@jebwatersheep3458 6 ай бұрын

Actually, it’s exactly because you could get murdered. Trans women get beaten, raped and murdered when people think they’ve been “tricked”. For trans people’s safety they should disclose their gender identity in a public area.

@simplyjaz5278 6 ай бұрын

exactly…

@alliu6562 6 ай бұрын

But disclosing it runs the risk of getting murdered too… which has happened in other cases before. Maybe the real issue is the transphobia and not the victims of transphobia 🤔

@jebwatersheep3458 6 ай бұрын

@@alliu6562 very true, transphobia is a dangerous epidemic that claims too many lives.

@justthatonegirl206 6 ай бұрын

exactly. it’s not transphobic to not want to be w someone who’s trans. rip to the victim for sure though

@_tyler32 6 ай бұрын

As a trans guy you dont understand how pissed it makes me for a person who MURDERED a trans woman FOR BEING TRANS to later be like ”haha whoops nevermind i’m also a trans woman”… like, it feels so weird to me. I believe that all people’s gender identities should be respected no matter what, because gender isn’t ”deserved”, but still it feels so icky to know that someone like her is in our community.

@abbskebabs6288 4 ай бұрын

I know right. I'm not trans myself but I feel like this development is just a massive "fuck you" to the trams community

@DelbelOfTheVoid Ай бұрын

Honestly these are the type of people that make trans people look bad and it pisses me off.

@toriholt2500 6 ай бұрын

I am so sad this happened to her, and that this happens to trans women to this day. Even thought disclosing is still dangerous, it lets you know how the other person feels about you before you take it any farther. I am not defending the criminal in no way, however there are a lot of people who get any homosexual thoughts beat out of them since childhood. So they never truly view transgender women as women. This is why it’s extremely important to disclose, especially in this line of work. Such a sad case

@wrongturnVfor 6 ай бұрын

Nah, Disclosing in a public place is definitely the right call. Safety for trans people. And despite many people disagreeing, I insist it is the right of every person to know whether someone they are going to sleep with is trans or not. Bcause how close it plays into their own identities. You are not serving someone pizza you know. Sex has a very deep impact on our minds, idenitites and psyche. It isnt a flippant commodity. It is always better to respect yourself and the other person enough to be honest.

@MsHibiscus 6 ай бұрын

@@wrongturnVfor I agree. It would absolutely go against some peoples religious, cultural or spiritual beliefs to sleep with someone of the same sex (they may be different gender but still same sex in many peoples opinions). Not, of course, an excuse for killing someone EVER but people should be respectful enough to understand that there could be implications for some people if they engage in same sex relations (being shunned by their own religious/cultural groups for example).

@brooke22701 6 ай бұрын

Tracy shouldn't have lied

@wrongturnVfor 6 ай бұрын

@@MsHibiscus Exactly. How on earth people dont understand simple things is beynond me. Why is it so hard to just dsclose it to respoect other's beliefs AND to keep yourself safe

@kichikitsu 6 ай бұрын

@@wrongturnVforgod, it's real fucking sad that not even public spaces are safe anymore. trans people and cis allies have been murdered in public by transphobes. there isn't any winning when you're trans, or even when you're just supporting trans rights as a cis person!

@sansmehta 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor’s story-telling skills are just elite! 🤩

@nikt75 6 ай бұрын

Right? Her… idk how to call that, type of storytelling? Is just perfect! Not too official like at a conference, but not too current like a messy storytime your friend could tell you while drinking with you coffee in a mall. She's underrated, change my mind! There's so many good things about this channel that I couldn't list all of them. And a great community.

@sansmehta 6 ай бұрын

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@MelissaGutierrez-mp7ys 6 ай бұрын

If you like her, you would love Bailey Sarian. She is better and keeps it real she dgaf

@cryptidcastles 4 ай бұрын

@@MelissaGutierrez-mp7yspeople covering the real life crimes of a person or people being brutally murdered SHOULD give a fuck.

@camillestarr9109 6 ай бұрын

Oh, I feel terrible about what happened to Shelby. She seemed so sweet. Thank you for covering this case with so much consideration and empathy, Eleanor!

@paulacandiloro2435 6 ай бұрын

great work Eleanor, for the record, not that I agree, but the lawyer is required to try any method to get their client off no matter how ridiculous it is. if they don't, that's when people try to blame their lawyers in the appeal process for improper council.

@cartiaking3377 6 ай бұрын

that is a very good point. i guess even if a lawyer doesn’t believe the defendant, they have to fight enough to avoid being the reason their appeal goes through if they get found guilty

@erraticonteuse 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'll bet they were just trying to pick at some ambiguity in the language of the statute that would make it *technically* not a hate crime (but still a homicide, obviously).

@alex_2342 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for covering a trans case, I feel like they aren't talked about enough, coming from a ftm person I appreciate it, thank you Eleanor

@MelissaLawrence2002 6 ай бұрын

Sorry to be ignorant, but what does ftm stand for? I've never heard that abbreviation before.

@alex_2342 6 ай бұрын

@MelissaLawrence2002 female to male, it's means im a trans guy, and don't worry, you're not ignorant

@MelissaLawrence2002 6 ай бұрын

@@alex_2342 oh ok! Thank you for enlightening me, I really appreciate it.

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

You’re still a woman, sweetheart.

@tenkazuu 6 ай бұрын

@@MelissaLawrence2002 the fact that you're asking is proof that you're not ignorant, its definitely appreciated -someone who is also female to male

@holapookie 6 ай бұрын

as a trans dude, this is scary. ive heard my fair share of slurs and disrespect but murder? whether you accept trans people or not, this case is so so sad. imagine being thirteen years old, put on hard drugs and r@ped, and then seing your offender get away with it? and that same offender having commited murder in the past and they got away with only five years? so so sad

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

Still should've disclosed it was a man. Otherwise it's not consent grape

@TokiBirdMan 6 ай бұрын

@@Diamondr11Bluewhile I agree with this statement that people should disclose it whenever things get sexual, in NO way does this condone murder.

@kekenaniwilson6138 6 ай бұрын

@@TokiBirdMan in no way is anyone defending the murder and it seems people r stuck on it. This one situation ended that way but Shelby specifically did exactly what she did to that man to countless other men who just didn't know. And she had no intention of telling them, if it was about safety and not money she would've told them and confirmed the people she was sleeping with WANTED to sleep with her as a transgender woman. Not to separate the two so blatantly but to not outright say you're a transgender woman leads people to assume u were born a woman which affects nothing except sexual preferences. I don't think it's appropriate conversation for anything else except of all people the person your intimate with. Things we can't see like viruses, we rely on people to tell us, we trust people to tell us. The honors system ring a bell? To say the least she can't stick up for herself and her actions show she would've gone about her days until this eventually happened even if it wasn't this guy. How many other guys would've done the same at the time? Shoot, the feeling of betrayal can come from finding out somone has kids and didn't tell u before sleeping with u.

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

@@TokiBirdMan who said murder was ok? Haven't seen anyone say it

@TokiBirdMan 6 ай бұрын

@@kekenaniwilson6138 like I said, I completely agree with you! I just see a lot of people in these comments condoning the murderer's actions and I just wanted to mention that it didn't condone his actions.

@grimsummons 6 ай бұрын

The transphobia in these comments is absolutely vile

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

What is a woman? Define it without using the word woman.

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780 women are born with uterus and eggs, etc. This is a biological fact. A trans woman is a male body

@Debbie-st4nn 6 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780someone who was born with a vagina

@Flowersandteacup 3 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780someone over the age of 18 who identifies as one, female is a biological sex, woman is a Gender term which gender can be changed no matter what and just to be clear biological sex isn’t just two it’s complex some people have different chromosomes and mutations etc

@elenacapecchi732 2 ай бұрын

@@humanbeeing4780 ⁠ that’s literally the point, anyone can identify how they want. There are no rules, it’s just about how you feel. I’m a cis woman and I wouldn’t be able to say WHY I feel like one. It’s not because of gender norms, nor because of my body. Me being female doesn’t have anything to do with the way I feel as a person.

@hazels7447 6 ай бұрын

I’d love to see you cover the case of Ashley Oullette. She went to a sleepover at her best friend’s house in February of 1999 in Saco, Maine. Around 4am the next morning she was found dead in the middle of the road. Anybody who lives in the area will tell you who killed her but the police have never had enough evidence to arrest that person.

@evanisnotonfire 6 ай бұрын

i, myself am transgender and hearing this story is genuinely terrifying and disgusting. thank you for covering lgbtq+ topics and highlighting the hate crimes that happen to our community. i have a few opinions about this case. first and foremost, what happened to shelby should never and will never be forgotten. she was a beautiful, strong, independent, loved, valued, and respected person. what happened to her was 100% a hate crime. there’s no way around it. second, i know it’s controversial to say, but i think the murderer is trying to get away with assaulting other women. if they’re going to be locked up they want to be around people they can offend. i believe it’s them trying to make one last move towards living a life of violence, rather than being put amongst other men. i really hope we get an update on this case.

@HollerMa71 6 ай бұрын

That was my 1st thought too! He (because I refuse to "respect the pronouns" of a POS) is a predator locked up with his prey. 😡

@trickstercries 6 ай бұрын

@@HollerMa71 hey, trans person here-- someone being a bad person doesnt give you an excuse to be transphobic towards them.

@aginarasool6082 6 ай бұрын

@@trickstercriesHow is she transphobic?

@trickstercries 6 ай бұрын

refusing to respect a trans persons pronouns is transphobic,@@aginarasool6082. that being said, i dont respect the murderer in any other way, nor do i think she should be respected in any other way.

@manawai547 6 ай бұрын

Seeing how they reoffended, I totally agree. I also had a hypothetical thought of what if they murdered shelby, and shelby was actually outed by the 2nd sw who found her body and they decided they would have a better chance using the gay panic defense (I still cant believe this is allowed!), to get out of going down for murder.

@abbymorgan5618 6 ай бұрын

The murderer was definitely feeling internalized transphobia. Thank you for shedding light on this case. My condolences to the family of Tracy.

@iicordii648 6 ай бұрын

Transphobia? Explain please

@ariellas 6 ай бұрын

@@iicordii648did you watch the video??

@person-iw8qj 6 ай бұрын

@@iicordii648lol 33:12

@Karosheus 6 ай бұрын

@@iicordii648Ma'am/sir are you perhaps deaf and blind? Genuine question.

@abednorz1 6 ай бұрын

@@iicordii648 Did you not watch the whole video?

@kristamarie02 6 ай бұрын

Respectfully, I think that someone who is transgender should disclose that information before they are intimate with someone! But in no way am I saying violence/murder is ever justified.

@margot6708 6 ай бұрын

Why?

@jakebee4134 6 ай бұрын

If they are fully transitioned with all of the aligning genitalia, why must it be disclosed?

@bunnyite 6 ай бұрын

The problem is, is that this is a catch 22... if someone tells someone they’re trans they could get killed and if they don’t they could be killed

@Faolain 6 ай бұрын

@@bunnyite Not just that, but most sex workers actually do disclose this information. They get targeted by these predators specifically because they know that they can pull the ''trans panic' defense - and the victim won't be around to refute it.

@ash_tray 6 ай бұрын

Im sorry but I don’t see how you can say something like that “respectfully”, no offense. I mean, maybe if you’re going to date them and see a future with them, maybe? But she’s a sex worker and he knew that. They were there to have sex. She is a woman with a vagina. It _literally_ doesn’t matter. It matters as much as needing to disclose that you’d had a boob job. I’m not trying to be rude or argue, I simply don’t agree and think if you’ve had sex reassignment surgery that it is only the business of you and who _you_ want to tell. I can’t see any reason that two strangers there for a business exchange, for her to disclose what her genitals used to be. Used to is the key word. If she still had a penis, I can understand. Whether a person wants to disclose that to a client is up to them but it is extremely dangerous for them either way. I hope you’ll take what I’ve said seriously you reconsider this point of view! A vagina is a vagina. Edit: we also don’t even know for sure that she didn’t disclose. This is from the murderer’s mouth only and from what was said about her, she was very open about who she was. It is very likely that she did disclose, he came and then felt ashamed and angry and then killed her, finally said she didn’t disclose as a defense.

@brooke2623 5 ай бұрын

I understand why he was angry- he has a right to know, but how he reacted was obviously over the top

@benjaminmadeira8442 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor, if you could please look for the murder of Gisberta Salce. She was a brazilian trans woman who was tortured for a few days and murdered in Portugal, by a bunch of teenagers. A video would help a lot a movement that is trying to get a street named after her. Thanks for your great content, from a brazilian trans fan 💙

@thischannelisdead9 6 ай бұрын

There's a link in her description to case requests if you need it!! I've only just realised it's there so I figured I'd lyk in case you hadn't realised :]] 🩵🩷🤍

@tamarasorbo1550 6 ай бұрын

That's awful 😢

@brookejohnson6049 6 ай бұрын

I never heard of it but I’m gonna go and look more on it that is so so awful:(

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

By a bunch of kids?

@wrongturnVfor 6 ай бұрын

Yeah she wont cover that. Because her point in covering this story was not to highlight violence on trans women

@kevincika 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor went from stopping uploading videos, to uploading twice a week. And i absolutely love that. Keep going Eleanor ❤

@alex_2342 6 ай бұрын

It's made me so happy that's she's been posting more

@veedinero7247 6 ай бұрын

She recently underwent surgery too

@tinyspotions 6 ай бұрын

@@veedinero7247Oh no for what? I somehow missed this!❤

@clarewarp1384 6 ай бұрын

Or and hear me out, Jartin is a disgusting predator who will now be housed in a women’s prison and have access to more victims like sitting ducks.

@cupcakesandcameos 6 ай бұрын

💯 what I think, too. Clearly milking the current system to find more victims. People like this don't change.

@dissociatedSoul 6 ай бұрын

💯

@izzyaragon7018 6 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

@LakeGael 6 ай бұрын

A possibility, but not at all the case for every single trans person.

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

Yall wanted trans to be in their preferred spaces. This is what happens

@joleneking5842 6 ай бұрын

What he done was cruel, and its very sad how she died, but one thing for me is i know people are saying he had sex with her so why fly into a rage etc etc, i personally feel shelby should of been upfront about her sex change, it was I'm sorry to say deceit because people should have the choice whether to go forward in sexual relations or not, I do Not condone what Jatin did at all, but i do believe he should of been told that shelby was a trans woman.

@MelissaLawrence2002 6 ай бұрын

I agree. I wonder if Shelby was scared to do that, or if she maybe didn't think it was important to disclose for whatever reason? I wish she was alive to ask, but either way, she didn't deserve what happened to her. I would just decline to continue with her if I was upset to find out she was trans.

@sydneythedin6195 6 ай бұрын

Yes! Tons of trans people today will tell you how important it is to be honest. Its so dangerous. Exhibit A

@alicexx3116 6 ай бұрын

How is it deceit though. To herself she is just a woman.

@joleneking5842 6 ай бұрын

@@alicexx3116 because she wasn't born as a woman, and like it or not he had a right to know that, so he could make an informed choice , we all have types don't we? I like dark haired smallish men, I'm not keen on blondes, and yes that's just small superficial things but still it's my choice, so while I'd never condone his actions he still had the right to choose

@charlie2.048 6 ай бұрын

@@joleneking5842 So would you fly into a rage if you learned that the man you slept with dyed his hair? Your argument is absurd. She WAS his type. He fancied her, picked her up, wanted to have sex with her so much he paid her, HAD SEX WITH HER...and then murdered her? Because she wasn't "his type" by being trans? Your argument about "types" holds no water. He fully consented to sex with her and she fully fit his type. She didn't owe a client her entire medical history.

@kamya7104 6 ай бұрын

He already had sex with her and then killed her? Dude you could have told her to leave? Before a criminal and now got himself promoted 💀😭 Irrespective of color, sexuality, race - nobody deserves being murdered. Eleanor, thank you so much for your kind, respectful coverage of this senseless case as usual. Sheer class and compassionate coverage.

@xan8123 6 ай бұрын

Thats like saying “your rapist already raped you so just get over it dude lolz”

@miaa7968 6 ай бұрын

@@xan8123 what is blud yappin about

@marythewinter 6 ай бұрын

@xan8123 he wasn't raped and she didn't have to tell him because it is just sex. Nobody forced him to have sex with her, he wanted it.

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

@@marythewinterIf somebody has herpes and doesn’t disclose it, that’s still considered a form of SA and is illegal. This should be no different. He paid for sex with a woman, instead he got sex with a man.

@frankiethebookworm3163 6 ай бұрын

@@marythewinter It actually is considered rape by deception when someone doesn't inform their potential sexual partner of a condition that may change their partrnter's inention of having sex with them.

@pheonixlive356 6 ай бұрын

I love how - whilst being respectful and understanding that these are peoples lives - Eleanor goes into so much detail, and makes it sound so interesting.

@JoshRazauskas 6 ай бұрын

So disgusting! Hate crimes really really hit me so hard because I have cerebral palsy and I know what it’s like to be unfairly judged, and have people assume things about me! People like this have no place in the world! Thanks, as always, for telling the story so well Eleanor!

@elvy101able 5 ай бұрын

I think it’s unfair to say he didn’t have the right to be upset. He did. He has a preference and he was lied to. Acknowledging and respecting people’s gender is demanded until it’s someone who would rather only sleep with one specific sex? That’s wrong.

@mollsewa 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for using your voice for so many victims Eleanor ❤

@melanielouise635 6 ай бұрын

Less than 9 years for a murder is absolutely insane. I hope that sorry excuse for a human stays locked up for life. You can just tell what a bright and kind person Shelby was. May she RIP :(

@gallywow 6 ай бұрын

I guess for things like this, it is important to disclose all information. The world is not safe. People are weird and we’ll never know what runs in their mind. Rip Shelby.

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

He is not weird for not wanting to have sex with other men.

@pumpkinpatch2203 6 ай бұрын

But he didn't have sex with another man. He had sex with a woman. I get disclosing the info would be important, if they hadn't gotten the genital surgery, but since they had - there's literally no difference between this and having sex with a cis woman

@Barlibee 6 ай бұрын

@@pumpkinpatch2203but there is a difference. One is natural genetalia and one is surgery from a sex change. People deserve to know. Shelby didn’t deserve any of this.

@mitchystuff 6 ай бұрын

@@Barlibee Letting people know in itself is super dangerous, since both ways the chance on hate crime is high, but the chance of hate crime is higher if you disclose it to everyone and anyone. And there really isnt a difference at all, since you can just have sex and it feels about the same.

@Barlibee 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@mitchystuff i disagree and that is okay. You are not respecting someone’s sexual preferences by keeping that secret, most straight people are not okay with being with someone who used to share the same genitals as them. It Can be disclosed in a public setting to minimize risks. But agree to disagree is best.

@ThatArabGirl10 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor, you have one of the most detailed, and best channels about true crime on KZfaq. I discovered your channel recently, and I'm so glad I did. Thank you for the video.

@alyssa.reimer 6 ай бұрын

I’ve never been so early to finish one of your videos! I admire how respectful you are while discussing this case. My heart goes out to her family and friends🤍

@clairthornton6503 6 ай бұрын

I feel this is something she should have disclosed 1st she already to him she was a sex worker...This is does by no means excuses his actions

@ravenmmarlowe 6 ай бұрын

the fact that this is what you have to say to a case about this woman’s literal murder is disgusting.

@xan8123 6 ай бұрын

@@ravenmmarlowethe fact that you’re trying to justify lying about your sex to someone and SAing them is disgusting

@matthiaspearce5150 6 ай бұрын

@@ravenmmarlowe hey, let's not attack people. It gets the discourse nowhere. Your outrage is completely valid, I just encourage that we all put down our weapons and realize that the other people aren't demons. I used to be very transphobic and say things just like this, but here I am a few years later happily transitioning and living my life as a man

@matthiaspearce5150 6 ай бұрын

It makes no difference whether she is a woman or a trans woman. Just like it makes no difference whether she is a woman or a tall woman. If they had examined her genitalia and found too much hair for their liking and flown into a rage, we'd call them crazy. The fact they found scars and immediately KILLED a person is wild. I could understand a person saying "hey, I would have preferred to know beforehand." She was not lying to him. She presented as a woman, and she was a woman. If I have sex with a woman without telling her I am bisexual, it changes nothing about the situation. I'm not lying to her, that information is just not relevant

@alyssarose4337 6 ай бұрын

@@matthiaspearce5150but it is relevant to disclose information that may revoke someone's consent and not doing so is a form of SA.

@RyanOPlasti 6 ай бұрын

LOVE the direction that this channel is moving. long form content, shorter videos as well and freaky fridays too!! loving this channel even more than i have always loved it. thanks for the top tier content eleanor and team!

@thejunemoon3406 6 ай бұрын

To all the trans people seeing these awful gross comments know you are loved and if no one else in your life does I want you here 🖤

@owenw.1643 6 ай бұрын

thank you for your positivity among this awful hate and ignorance

@laurentaylor5319 6 ай бұрын

A trans girl murder case - brilliant one mate, thank you for covering a case like this because we trans girls are at such a risk of murders because of who we are.

@skeeter-_ 6 ай бұрын

same name (only i didn't choose it🤓🥲)

@bihko4928 6 ай бұрын

@@skeeter-_shut up

@netsk1679 6 ай бұрын

Sickens me how much you girls have to go through! Sickens me how much all girls have to go through because of vile men. All the very best ❤

@Neothechozen 6 ай бұрын

Trans people do NOT deserve any type of violence. Of course not murder. However ,,, before having any type of sexual relationship with ANYONE they should have to disclose they are trans because EVERYONE has a right to choose who they have s3x with. And it protects sex workers as well. Also if you know ANYTHING about the Canadian judicial system when you are imprisoned awaiting trial all time waiting is used as time and a half. It is doubled based on timely trial laws. Sooooo itwas a law for all crimes. Not like the judge was playing favourites but he should have been locked away forever.

@AmelieAnthrax 6 ай бұрын

You look a lot like my girlfriend! Shes trans too- you've got the same hair & eyes

@pree76 6 ай бұрын

I think what he did was wrong and indefensible. However I think when youre talking about having intercourse with someone your sex/gender is important, and should be disclosed. This isnt even debatable and I think most straight people would be upset with you for lying or not disclosing that information.

@ryansack5198 6 ай бұрын

It’s amazing this even has to be said..

@e_i_e_i_bro 6 ай бұрын

Yep.

@pree76 6 ай бұрын

@ryansack5198 People call sexual orientation being a bigot these days and honestly I'm disappointed in that sort of narrative in the video. I love content from Elanor but she missed the mark here by a mile. Sex is the most intimate you can be with someone and its violating to have someone lie in order to have it with you especially over some money.

@shipyufrenchsong 6 ай бұрын

Mate that would've just resulted in her getting murdered sooner. We do not live in a world where telling a stranger you are trans is a safe thing.

@ggwellplayed7663 6 ай бұрын

The comments are crazy and delusional. Not disclosing that is basically assault. He shouldn't have reacted that way but acting like that's nothing is crazy

@JustKitha 6 ай бұрын

I believe that people must be honest. I don’t believe this person should have been killed at all. But people should be honest and not withhold information.

@wrencloutier8235 2 ай бұрын

Nothing changes, trans women are women, she didn't lie. Alot of people dont disclose it because it puts them in more danger than not disclosing it

@Genezis98 Ай бұрын

@@wrencloutier8235no They are not. They can feel like one but They are not. Surgery things are not the same for both partners. It does not work the same and it will never be. Stop talking about people You don’t know really and pretend You know how They feel. American as it best

@taylawarwick1076 4 күн бұрын

@@wrencloutier8235I’m not into girls AT ALL. If I ended up finding a partner and getting intimate and things like that and THEN they say they were once a female…I would flip out! I’m not against trans people but I..MYSELF would never sleep with a woman. I would feel betrayed and hurt that they lied and I would feel like they took advantage of me

@monique4743 6 ай бұрын

I was literally dating a guy for about a month, when one night, somehow he got on the topic of transgender people. He told me that if he ever found out someone he slept with was transgender and found out after, he would beat the shit out of them. I got SO ANGRY!! He was also telling me that being gay was a choice. I was in shock at how ignorant he sounded. Needless to say I broke off that relationship immediately...I don't know why but he was the first person I thought of when I watched this 😡😡

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

So don't lie about it. Withholding important info is lying via deception. I don't feel sorry for if they got broke up with tho

@Elizabeth11.11 6 ай бұрын

What’s his number? He sounds like a great match for me. He needs a real women 😚

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

@@Elizabeth11.11Right lol, it’s hard to find people who understand reality these days

@abbyelectric 2 ай бұрын

That reminds me of someone I was talking to, who thought that all trans people were predators and/or trying to mutilate children. I chewed him out and dropped that shit IMMEDIATELY, I will not be tolerating any sort of hatred/bigotry towards my trans friends. I myself am not transgender, but as an ally to the trans community, I felt like I ought to stand up for them in my situation.

@user-oy5hq2kw7k 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor is definitely my favorite true crime KZfaq creator. She is always so respectful and graceful! Her and Danielle Kristy are the BEST!

@cloudy.jpg. 6 ай бұрын

It’s night be a British thing I love both of them

@JenO604 6 ай бұрын

you’d love bella fiori !!

@angel482963299 6 ай бұрын

Stephanie Harlow and crime weekly are also great channels! They're much longer but they do great deep dives and such thorough researching!

@cryptidcastles 4 ай бұрын

@@JenO604I loooooove Bella’s videos!!

@dionen2512 6 ай бұрын

Oh it definitely matters. It's not ok not to disclose that either way

@skreemqueen7520 6 ай бұрын

Excellent work, Eleanor, as ALWAYS! My sympathy to Shelby’s family & friends. She sounds like like such an amazing person. May she rest in peace.

@tak4832 6 ай бұрын

I am sure this isnt the most popular opinion, but i appreciate the timeline specific pronouns. I've heard this case before from someone using only she/her pronouns and it really took you out of the moment/ made the relationships confusing. I think its just more respectful to... the scene. Years ago I briefly dated a "girl" who now identifies as a man. I am very respectful of that when we see each other, but i would never refer to him as an "ex boyfriend", that just wasnt the relationship I had with him. From my perspective, i was in a heterosexual relationship, it wouldnt be respectful to me or tthe storyline to retroactively change the pronouns when talking about that time in my life just because now "she" is a he.

@PixxieHaxx 6 ай бұрын

It's rare to see Ellie get so emotional about a case, thank you for getting Shelby's case out there. Much love for your content, loving Freaky Fridays 😍😍😍

@jobeey 6 ай бұрын

I don't think he attacked her for being transgender. I might be wrong but that was not what they argued. He attacked her for not being told about the transition before engaging in physical activity. Of course the reason behind his actions is irrelevant as what he did was horrible and he should have been sentenced for murder. In my opinion. Since he is a repeat offender maybe he "transitioned" so he can be sent to a female prison next time..

@MelissaLawrence2002 6 ай бұрын

I guess I'm not entirely understanding what you mean by the possibility of not killing her because she was transgender. She definitely should have disclosed it to him, but him finding out on his own, and then choosing to murder over it is definitely because he didn't like that she was trans. Had he found out on his own or through her that she was trans, he didn't mind, and he didn't kill her is the only way this case would have gone if he didn't mind that she was trans, besides the alternative of him saying "no thank" to any further interaction. I hope my explaining wasn't too difficult to understand, I did my best to take my time to think how best to say what I was thinking. If not, you can ask me for clarification. I am interested to hear what you were thinking when you wrote your comment so I can also understand what you meant better. Much love! ❤

@jobeey 6 ай бұрын

@@MelissaLawrence2002 I can imagine the scenario where she disclosed that she was transgender when he approached her for services and he could then say "I'm not into that and no thanks". I personally wouldnt feel good if someone did not disclose that to me prior to engaging in any physical activity or a relationship. Bcuz I would consider that as a lie by omission. It would make me upset. Not bcuz I have anything against transgender people but simply bcuz of the dishonesty. If someone already had some bad feelings against transgender people or doesn't consider trans women "real women", I can imagine them getting really angry in this situation, which could trigger aggression. Ofc aggression and violence is not acceptable in such a situation and I don't want to excuse such behaviour. I just think that maybe he would not have k*lled her if they were in a different situation, bcuz a simple existence of her as transgender did not trigger him but the fact that he was unknowingly having relations with someone transgender. Idk if I explained it clearly or just made things more confusing.

@moonlightmemories959 6 ай бұрын

he hired a sex worker why the hell would he expect her to tell him her entire life story before having sex?

@jobeey 6 ай бұрын

@@moonlightmemories959 no need for a whole life story, just the bare minimum that's involved in the transaction. He hired a woman and got a transwoman. That's not what he paid for, but that's the least of the problems about this situation.

@monocoloured 6 ай бұрын

Great video again as always! I love your case selection, it's so different from most other true crime personalities. Keep up the great work!

@daylenkelly5029 6 ай бұрын

thank you for this video. never heard of this one before. thank you for spreading awareness!

@Candela115 6 ай бұрын

What is the point of pointing out what a victim should have done in a situation where they were murdered? It just feels so gross how so many comments are saying she should have done so and so. Since when is victim blaming ever constructive? Sure, maybe if Shelby had disclosed beforehand it could have saved her, but it didn't matter when it came to all of the vicitms that her murderer had. It's also not constructive to point out what a murder victim should have done or not done. They were murdered and the fault is of the murderer.

@xan8123 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor i have to strongly disagree with you over the fact that you said it didn’t matter that she didn’t disclose that she was trans because “he liked her before anyway” that is a very serious thing to be deceptive about and is borderline SA… you can still support trans people while also acknowledging that doing things like that is wrong.

@matthiaspearce5150 6 ай бұрын

Jesus Christ, that is taking it very far. SA? Really? How do you justify that? If I go to have sex with a woman and she pulls down my pants to find a micropenis, does that make it SA? Disclosing to someone that you are trans is not required in any scenario. No one is entitled to that information, and sometimes it is safer to not tell the person that you are trans. If a man had sex with a woman and his penis was shaped a little funky, does that give her a reason to freak out because he "lied" about the appearance of his genitals? As far as I'm concerned, that's all this was. She had scars. That is it. That's the only visible difference between her and a cisgender woman. Having scars on your genitals and not disclosing that is not SA.

@matthiaspearce5150 6 ай бұрын

I want to make it clear, I don't want to attack you. I understand your aversion to it, I used to feel the same way. I'm just genuinely shocked you would take it so far

@xan8123 6 ай бұрын

@@matthiaspearce5150 well, i appreciate you being understanding about it but ima have to disagree.

@monicadiaz2285 6 ай бұрын

@matthiaspearce5150 nah not at all the same thing. Shelby was born male.

@dekarriofficial 6 ай бұрын

yes i agree. you are one of the few who actually makes sense.

@lyriktae 6 ай бұрын

should their be violence no but their SHOULD be honesty and u really undermined that in this case

@kensieday2291 6 ай бұрын

Shelby had such a beautiful smile and seems like she had been such a wonderful person. I hope she's resting peacefully now. Her murderer getting 5 years for murder is criminal in and of itself!! That just isn't fair!!

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

He was ugly and his smile was disgusting. What do you mean?

@AmberMcMillan-nw5jb 6 ай бұрын

Eleanor, you are such an inspiration to all us ladies = beautiful, strong, intelligent and interesting! Thank you for being you and thank you for being a fantastic storyteller!

@steven-uni-verse 6 ай бұрын

With all due respect I think Shelby should’ve of told him in the first place she was trans for her own safety. She was in a public place and should have told him. Like the person that murdered her was feeling that he felt betrayed, thinking that she was a real biological woman. because from what it seems, he was attracted to only biological women. But at the same time it doesn’t make an excuse for him to murder her. I don’t know if this is transphobia or not but like a person should disclosed if they’re going to have relations if they are trans because a lot of people that don’t disclose and end up getting murdered or some cases like this. And also having preferences to not date, trans men or women is not trans phobic there’s many transgender people that say it’s not transphobic to have preferences. But in this case it doesn’t like excuse him for murdering this person. That was just my opinion.

@ninjakittycat6888 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this story. You’re so kind when you speak about the victims. To Shelby’s friends and family, I give my condolences and I truly hope you are all doing well.

@DeltaNine_91 6 ай бұрын

thank you for covering this x

@lizzie3736 6 ай бұрын

another day another true crime case while I get homework done :) I love when eleanor posts

@dabrathaute3176 6 ай бұрын

Murdering her was wrong but she was wrong for not telling him right away thats beyond dangerous.

@LovelyyRachael 6 ай бұрын

I agree

@dabi-is-online23 6 ай бұрын

Easy to say that now in 2023, back then, I doubt lgbtq safety was common knowledge for trans people.

@ieshiamonae8649 6 ай бұрын

I 100% agree its sad that she passed but not disclosing this to him prior to the act was dead wrong

@sierrabee6694 6 ай бұрын

@@ieshiamonae8649i agree

@hannahmac3692 6 ай бұрын

This comment feels very much like victim blaming :/ gross!

@SpaceBoyRay. 6 ай бұрын

As someone who falls under the trans umbrella, I really appreciate the way you handled this case with such respect toward the gender area. You’re an absolute gem ❤

@Mellymel1995 6 ай бұрын

I love how respectful you are of everyone. The suspect killed and you still respected her wishes of being addressed as she prefers to be addressed as. Most wouldn’t have that mindset❤ this is why I love your content ☺️

@Tra_C 6 ай бұрын

Shelby seemed like a sweet lady, and she did not deserve life being snatched away. That said, I strongly believed transgender women should disclose before hooking up, particularly with heterosexual men. It goes without saying no one should lose their life for being themselves but being up front (in a safe location) could save lives.

@oatmi1k_ 6 ай бұрын

To be fair, from what I understand a big reason they DON’T tell partners is because they are afraid of violent reactions. I think the possibility of a straight man having sex w a trans woman is way less of an issue than the potential danger they could be in by outing themselves

@jennie271982 6 ай бұрын

@@oatmi1k_ not disclosing is not a moral option

@nymfettes 6 ай бұрын

@@oatmi1k_ EXACTLY OMFG.. theres so many ppl saying "she shouldve told him!" he probably wouldve killed her EVEN IF she had told him before they hooked up.. nobody tries to see it from shelby's pov and only try to see it through the killer's pov by saying "well i would be upset too!" like what..

@apocalypstic 6 ай бұрын

@@nymfettes Shelby was in a public space where people knew her and of her. When she revealed to him what her profession was, she should have included the fact that she was also transgender while being surrounded in a space that she obviously felt safe in. Being in the profession for years, as described in the video, she should have known how to say it and when to bring it up. That being said, seeing things through the killer's POV is a bit much, people are just saying that they'd feel upset about it, not that they'd go to extremes and kill her.

@nymfettes 6 ай бұрын

@@apocalypstic this man was capable of murder, just because theyre in a space that shelby felt safe in doesnt mean she wouldn't have gotten murdered there or somewhere else.. there was honestly no way to prevent this from happening

@ajjamsen694 6 ай бұрын

Another example of the Gay Panic Defense is of (i think) The Jennifers Show and a guy got tricked into thinking a female was confessing her feelings when in actuality, it was a male. When the guy freaked out and killed the male, The Gay Panic Defense was used.

@nelvincalisthenics 6 ай бұрын

This dude is beyond horrible. But I personally think that if you are a transgender person that should be the first thing you tell a person before dating or having sex with them to make sure that partner is ok with it because nowadays it’s hard to tell if someone is transgender or cis sometimes

@avanisavannah309 6 ай бұрын

she coulda easily gotten killed just for disclosing that tho, this guy clearly had some raging internal transphobia before transitioning and could have lashed out at any point.

@samanthaguimaraes1001 6 ай бұрын

I agree with you. A transgender person should disclose that before hand, that give a choice for the person to go ahead with their date or wthever. Of course the fact that she did not say anything before is not a free pass to get killed. We cannot trust people that we are close to, imagine a stranger....

@carsfan1995 6 ай бұрын

@@samanthaguimaraes1001 Except disclosing that could still get her killed. Trans people are FOUR times more likely to be victims of violence crime than cis people. There’s a one in four chance a client would still want to kill or harm her if she told him that she was trans? You really think that’s in any way a good idea to have the imaginary moral high ground?

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

@@avanisavannah309 doesn't matter. Withholding info importance is lying via default and you deserve to be broken up with

@tialouise7164 6 ай бұрын

@@carsfan1995 so lying is the way to go?? She should have told him end of. No way she deserved to be murdered over it but you never know has she said look I’m trans she could still be alive to this day🤷🏻‍♀️

@lucienlodger 6 ай бұрын

thank you so much for covering this.

@a.c.robinson1120 6 ай бұрын

Hello from Iraq, Eleanor! I just want to say you are doing great things by telling these stories and you do so with sincere compassion. Thank you for being you and sharing what you enjoy doing with the world. Keep up the great work! - Alisha from Oklahoma, USA

@ruthrandall2451 6 ай бұрын

Are you from Iraq or Oklahoma?? Not to be rude or anything...

@rooroo1704 6 ай бұрын

Where the fuck are you from ?

@BumperChip_ 6 ай бұрын

LMAO how are you from iraq and oklahoma at the same time

@leftypirate 6 ай бұрын

??????

@annisa8863 6 ай бұрын

@@ruthrandall2451from the US currently in Iraq at the time of watching this video dude lol

@lenalena1683 6 ай бұрын

If I have a child, who is transgender - the first rule I'll ask them to follow is to please reveal this detail about yourself before getting intimate with anyone. and to reveal it in public place as well. just heard about similar case few days ago. in my honest opinion it's REALLY dangerous to pretend that it's totally ok and safe to not disclose such an information.

@MS-sp2cv 6 ай бұрын

Agree 10000% with you. Be proud of your identity and let the other part know. It is safe and the most honest thing to do.

@AlasdairMackenzie-fz6sv 6 ай бұрын

You are one of my favourite KZfaqs you give so much information about the people and backgrounds off all the people I’m just so amazed but all the hard work you put in. I love watching ur work I’m so glad I find ur account keep up the amazing work ❤

@jasminebaker1338 6 ай бұрын

Love watching your videos, the amount of fact checking is amazing and you tell every case so well. Would love to see another Caleb with Kendall another brilliant true crime channel xx

@summersweetheart 6 ай бұрын

thank you for using your platform to speak up about this Eleanor

@thomaswoodcock6017 6 ай бұрын

I find these hate crime stories very interesting and way more scary. Great stuff Eleanor ❤

@MelissaLawrence2002 6 ай бұрын

I know. Hate crimes scare me a lot because they are just crimes committed against a person for being who they are, something completely out of their own control.

@deviljayden.06 6 ай бұрын

I’m trans myself and just the thought of living in the wrong body for so long and then finally being able to make those gender euphoric changes just to be murdered for absolutely nothing is such a horrifying thought, I hope Shelby is resting easy and my thoughts are with her family 🩵🩵

@bj.reo87 6 ай бұрын

Funny hey me wrong what happened to Shelby IS HORRIFYING! I'm just curious if you think it's important information an intimate partner should be told prior to sexual actions.

@deviljayden.06 6 ай бұрын

@@bj.reo87 I personally do yes, IF you still haven’t had bottom surgery, if Shelby still had a penis she should’ve told him but she had her surgery, therefore she had no reason to out herself, if she was to be in a romantic relationship with him she could’ve then told him WHEN she was comfortable but she wasn’t in a long term relationship. There was no reason she should’ve lost her life that night.

@langlang330 6 ай бұрын

love the content...I hope shelby's family have found peace and my heart goes out for them

@ash_tray 6 ай бұрын

I will comment this and not even read the responses because I bet they will be either kind & understanding or ignorant & vile, but thank you for telling stories from the lgbtq+ community. I am a part of the community, but I am not transgender so I cannot speak for any trans folk. But, when we people say “why do they need a pride month? How are _they_ brave? There’s no bravery in being ___! (Gay, bisexual, trans, etc)” But when I hear stories like this. Stories where people are assaulted, harassed, raped, and/or MURDERED for their sexual or gender identity, it answers that question easily. When there are people out there who want you dead for who you are or how you love, it _is_ brave to be open about it. There’s also no reason to compare it to the bravery of soldiers, I don’t understand why people feel the need to do that. There are different scenarios in which a person can be brave. Thank you for this video.

@pree76 6 ай бұрын

The person was murdered after violating a straight person sexually. The murder was wrong but the fact you can't see that is concerning and dangerous. I'd imagine there's plenty of men tricked or lied to who refuse to seek therapy they likely need afterward because of embarrassment. Lying for sex and money is NOT ok As a man I can speak from that perspective unlike you speaking for Trans people.

@kristendavy3129 6 ай бұрын

@pree76 I have to agree. I don't feel this case is a hate crime. He didn't target and kill the person because they were Trans. He killed them because he felt violated and tricked and the person happened to be trans.

@xan8123 6 ай бұрын

@@kristendavy3129Facts, but unfortunately no one else can understand this for some reason.. not disclosing being trans is literally SA.

@kaistephens3429 6 ай бұрын

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@Naokoschild 6 ай бұрын

@@xan8123 no its not?? you dont have to disclose being cis to a person you'll never see again so why does she?? if you dont, thats not SA right? then why is it when she is trans?

@Kpracn0va 6 ай бұрын

As a Trans woman this crime reminds me everyday that I may one day become a victim too.

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

Also, you’re still a man.

@soldierboy8796 6 ай бұрын

Well, then don't try to deceive normal straight people, but especially men into dating/sleeping with you because you're not a woman and never will be.

@ryleelovesyou 27 күн бұрын

i js wanted to express how much i love u and ur content. i’ve been watching u for almost 4 years now continuously across various different accounts and have watched almost all of ur videos. i listen to ur videos while cleaning, sleeping, and even eating. u have gotten me out of sum rough times. thank u for ur wonderful channel and being an amazing person. i hope ur taking care of urself 🩷🩷

@BornToBeWyld 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for covering this. May Shelby rest in peace

@ForagedDahlia 6 ай бұрын

5 years, repeated offenses, and she didnt get classified as dangerous till years and years later? that is so wild this case makes me feel sick

@inslowmo1110 6 ай бұрын

I think for a safety precaution if you are a transgender that you disclose of your status to anyone you plan to engage in any sexual act with. There are so many cases like this and there is even a Gay panic defense.

@ctrlcyber 6 ай бұрын

Right but whats scary and sad about this is that if a transgender were to disclose it beforehand it could end up the same way :(

@jocelyn.__. 6 ай бұрын

@@ctrlcyber100%, this is why i’d always advocate for any woman if you’re meeting with a new person, always meet in public, if you have anything to disclose, do it in public! people are vile creatures. it’s insane what we have to do just to protect our lives from other human beings. i’ll never understand

@weedussy_ 6 ай бұрын

I’m trans myself and personally, that’s not always the case. Not only bc it could 100% just end up the same, but also bc in this case, she already had gender reaffirming surgery. The only situation in which I’d imagine it’s necessary is in a romantic relationship, pregnancy, etc. But other than that, if you’ve already had bottom surgery, I don’t see why you’d have to discuss it beforehand. Like I said, it could just turn out the same. Plus, just because their sexual partner had scarring doesn’t automatically mean they’re trans

@Anonymous-54545 6 ай бұрын

@@Courtneyemily91 at that point though, it kinda seems like that person's problem. you don't get to know the history of a sex worker's personal life. if someone has boobs and a vagina and a female fat distribution and a female mind and voice, like... what exactly is relevant there if yr not going to have kids with them? once you introduce HRT into someone's system, it makes a HUGE physiological and psychological difference, we're not talking about a man anymore.

@weedussy_ 6 ай бұрын

@@Courtneyemily91maybe I’m just defensive in that regard, but isn’t that just straight up transphobia then. If the only reason you’re no longer attracted to someone is a mental block, to me that implies you still don’t fully see the person as their identified gender

@richm.3388 6 ай бұрын

I’ve been watching you since you’re very first video. I am so proud of you and the woman that you have become I watch your videos every day while cooking dinner and what’s funny is my grown children when they’re at their own home cooking dinner they watch you as well. You truly are a part of our family, please never stop being you

@bobma6775 6 ай бұрын

Now what he did is sick and twisted. BUT I personally feel like that’s something you disclose to someone you’re going to be intimate with. You mention that you are trans and be sure they’re okay with that. There’s lots of reason. Religion for one.

@dennyjean8928 6 ай бұрын

that’s a closed minded thing to say, she’s a woman and deserves to be treated like one. you are kind of victim blaming. when he found out he could have easily told her to leave, not kill her

@bobma6775 6 ай бұрын

@@dennyjean8928 not victim blaming at all. As a gay man myself, if there was a trans man I’d expect him to tell me that before sexual relations. Also, the victim was not a woman. But a trans woman. There’s a big difference

@humanbeeing4780 6 ай бұрын

@@dennyjean8928He was not a woman, he was a man who crossdressed.

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

@@dennyjean8928 no. It's a bio male

@MelissaLawrence2002 6 ай бұрын

@@dennyjean8928she should have disclosed, and he shouldn't have killed her. Not victim blaming. If your preferences don't coincide with being intimate with a trans person, that doesn't make you transphobic. What makes you transphobic is murdering a person for being trans, regardless of them disclosing it to you or you finding out on your own. He should have just politely asked her to leave for being deceitful, and nothing more. Not everyone wants to have sex with a trans person, just like not everyone wants to have sex with the opposite sex or same sex, or any other type of person you may or may not want to have sex with. The right to say "no" was taken from the killer because she didn't disclose that very important piece of information. Just because it doesn't matter to someone doesn't mean it won't for everyone. The killer should be rotting in Hell right now, so don't think I'm trying to defend them. I'm merely trying to explain why it's important to share that with a potential client or partner. She didn't deserve to die for not telling him. He did deserve the truth to be respectfully told to him though. Now he deserves nothing but Hell.

@emmahinchliffe6920 6 ай бұрын

Clicked this as soon as I saw the notification! Literally so proud of your Elenor and how much you’ve grown! Thank you for the consistent and respectfully told content, I hope I get to meet you one day, I’ve been watching you for years❤️

@charlie2.048 6 ай бұрын

The number of people in the comments essentially victim-blaming Shelby saying _"Well she should have known better and really she was violating him"_ is way too high.

@crs587 6 ай бұрын

No it’s not

@humanbeeing4780 5 ай бұрын

He was violating Jatin, though. He was a man who lied, stole money from, and deceived another man into sex. This is called grape.

@crispypeanut4059 6 ай бұрын

I lived in north Vancouver for a while and never heard of this… thank you for talking about this case❤️

@electricanimeenergy3567 6 ай бұрын

Love the video, hate what happened to Shelby , but I feel like Shelby should have told him that she was trans with bottom surgery off the bat so that he would have went on him way. It’s just basic communication, but she definitely didn’t deserve to have died over that lowlife. He clearly had some serious self hating problems of his own.

@weedussy_ 6 ай бұрын

I’m trans myself and I have to say, it’s no one’s business. She already had gender reaffirming surgery and therefore doesn’t owe her sexual partners anything. Even if they’d see scarring, it doesn’t necessarily mean the person is transgender. I get where you’re coming from, but generally, in my opinion, we don’t owe anyone an explanation if their “needs” (for a lack of a better term) don’t require it

@miaa7968 6 ай бұрын

Maybe it's because I'm bi but I don't really understand the difference it makes. Yeah it might be a bit jarring if you're hitting on a cute girl and then she takes off her pants and has a dick, especially if you're only attracted to vaginas, but post-op? That's a vulva and vagina. So many cis women get reconstructive surgeries and cosmetic ones too on their genitalia that they never have to disclose - look at literally every professional pornstar out there! Not to mention the basic tissue is all the same because all human genitalia comes from the same precursor organs, and I mean *all*. I myself as a cis woman was surprised to find out how much of the tissue is the same when I did embryology as part of my MD. If you get into a relationship with someone who says they're a woman, you fully believe it and have sex with her, and for all intents and purposes the only thing that tips you off is some scars (which again, there's ciswomen who get labiaplasties), what's the big deal?

@endlesseddy7744 6 ай бұрын

@@miaa7968 ^^ hard agree. i'd get it if it was a full blown relationship - that's when fertility issues or medical stuff should be disclosed. but for a paid one time hook up? they don't need your whole history. hell, half the time sex workers don't even give out their names or real ages! plus, trans sex workers are one of the most likely to be murderered, it's a huge risk!

@apriljk6557 6 ай бұрын

@@weedussy_ 1000% agree and cis women have scarring sometimes too. No hook up is entitled to my medical history.

@apriljk6557 6 ай бұрын

@@miaa7968 Definitely not because you're Bi, your opinion is just logical and rational. Straight, cis, mother of 5 and I feel the same.

@syliic934 4 ай бұрын

As a trans person, its best not to use the gendered terms that were used prior to coming out, even with criminals. Its unfortunate, but crimes like this, where a minority turns on their own and kill, is far more common and complex of an issue. Not to mention, it can encourage transphobia, and for some trand people makes them feel like their acceptance as people are based solely on acting correctly always. Not claiming to be a sociology major or anything, but thought i would tell tou so you can cover cases with trans individuals in a more nuanced way if you ever do a case similar to this again :)

@sammy1414 4 ай бұрын

I do think it's fair to be upset if someone didn't tell you they were trans (if you're having sex with them).

@clairesmith4650 6 ай бұрын

Another great story thank you Hun xx been great to see you again 😊x

@Nanner823 6 ай бұрын

It no excuse for murder, but people need to disclose that information. You don't know what someone has been through and finding out they've been deceived can be very triggering.

@marythewinter 6 ай бұрын

For a one night stand or just sex I don't agree with that. You don't see that person after that night so it shouldn't matter. However, dating a person it would be nice to know beforehand. But maybe I'm a bit biased because I'm bisexual and I don't care much if someone is trans or cis. I would like you as a person.

@sophysoth1956 6 ай бұрын

@@marythewinterIt does matter. You need to disclose everything regardless of what the situation is.

@wynkenblynkennod3712 6 ай бұрын

@@marythewinter It 100% does matter! Deceiving someone for money is wrong.

@clu1632 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely, I came here to say this. NO ONE deserves to be murdered, and I understand the threat that trans women face, however, these things need to be disclosed for everyone’s safety and mental health. It’s important that trans women DISCLOSE that they are trans women. To some people that wouldn’t make a difference, but to some people it absolutely would- be it through trauma, cultural upbringing, ect. Sex work should be legalized across the board so it can be regulated and everyone can be protected.

@Lffewgj 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely not, there’s been many cases of trans women telling men they are trans beforehand and those men pretending to be ok with it and then attacking them. It is just not safe

@kristi_vera_parker 6 ай бұрын

Thank you, beautiful Eleanor!!!! ❤❤❤ My precious darling son who has severe special needs knows how much I LOVE true crime, especially since my beautiful Mummahs passing (it's too heartbreaking, and somehow, hearing true crime is the only thing that helps-we used to watch it together) so I've been subscribed and watching for a long long time, but this is my first time commenting. So sorry for the rambling 😂😂😂 Also, as a former sex worker, thank you for covering these case's in such a respectful manner. We are people just like everyone else, but sometimes circumstances mean we aren't able to have a "9-5 regular" job. You do an amazing job, and I appreciate you!!! 🙏🙏🙏

@mart664 6 ай бұрын

many comments are as such and it is sickening murder is wrong but *blames the victim, not the murderer*

@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын

You're blind. To not state your bio gender during the act is grape

@refinnej5302 6 ай бұрын

People can still point out the errors that led to the murder. Maybe it will resonate with someone and end up saving their life. Also, people are mentioning it because it was glossed over in this video and made out to be a non-issue when it was obviously an issue.