Pyro, when is Mario party next?

Yeah, thats a cool way of looking at it

This is an interesting way to look at it. While I do believe the Saga references mean something (there would be no reason reach out to Bandai just for a reference) along with a interview Takahashi did long back saying he would continue the Saga story given the proper funding. Xenoblade X could possibly be apart of canon due to the references but it doesn't really fit at all at the moment. Saga has contradictions like you said to but I feel like there's more wiggle room than X currently at the moment.

​@@ShiftedPyro Xenoblade X is canon just because Takahashi said so. Take in mind that the story in the final game is just a fragment of the whole planned scenario, so the game has some connection, but we (the players) don't know how. FC, XB3 and FR have these nods to X for a reason, and X have some nods to XB1 (and interesting parallels to XB3) too. Hopefully a sequel will be produced someday. I don't think the story is related to Klaus at all, just sharing the same universe. The entire Xeno series gives emphasis to the concept of "eternal recurrence", so the "Project Exodus" happening again in a different set of circunstances makes sense, at least to me. ---- About Xenosaga, I think: If Xenosaga is truly canon to Xenoblade and it's not just Monolith reusing concepts and ideas again, then what happened in Klaus' world could be a consequence of the events at the end of XS3, when KOS-MOS, chaos, Nephilim and Abel transported every Gnosis back to Lost Jerusalem using the Zohar and the power of animus and anima. Maybe these gnosis were given a chance to reincarnate and live there, on Lost Jerusalem. And thus, the same events happened again: with another man, called Klaus, discovering the Zohar again and messing up again. KOS-MOS Re: 's concept art in the Alrest Records artbook shows that she was designed as a new version of Saga's KOS-MOS by Shion and Allen, so both of them existed in Klaus' World, alongside a new incarnation of Dmitri (Dimitri in Blade) Yuriev and his Saviorites (Salvator in Japanese, same name but spelled differently between Saga and Blade). Then, after the Experiment, KOS-MOS Re: 's data ended up in a Core Crystal (probably when Klaus started to reconsctruct his world), and Shion was eventually reborn as Astelle, Zeke's cousin. KOS-MOS Re: has every data about the Low Orbit Stations like Pneuma, supporting this theory. In other words, Xenosaga 4 could be Xenoblade 0, instead of being a sequel to Xenoblade 3 like some people especulate. This would mean that Monolith wouldn't be allowed to produce a prequel if Bamco is not involved. These are my thoughts. Sorry if they are hard to understand, English is not my first language.

@iviyohane I have similar thoughts about X just being in the same universe as the mainline games. It being another Recurrence is the best way it can connect without it being messy. Now, what happens to the world after Xenosaga 3 is up to speculation. Gnosis could reincarnate there, maybe due to Origin presumably still being there and recording data. But I'm pretty sure KOS-MOS Re: is non-canon with it being a cool nod to saga, but I could be wrong. Who knows. But Thanks for having this conversation, its quite insightful 😁

I'm not sure how T. Masuda discovering the Zohar conflicts with Xenoblade. In all three franchises, the Zohar was discovered in Africa near the beginning of the 21st century. No contradiction there. From Saga, we know that it was then brought to Canada where Grimoire Verum conducted experiments on it to save his daughter, but instead the experiments lead to the disappearance of his daughter due to a space-time warp. From Xenoblade we learn that because of this the experiments were deemed to being too dangerous and instead Rhadamanthus was built as a safer location for the experiments in space. Xenosaga's lore goes a bit further that these experiments eventually led to the whole earth disappearing. This is perfectly in line with the Klaus experiment. I've replayed the fan translation of a Missing Year yesterday and even the wording we find in-game, which is also a part of a report thousands of years later by an unreliable narrator and contains information which conflicts with something we learn later in Xenosaga episode III, does not conflict with Xenoblade and the Klaus experiments. The only thing that conflicts with Xenoblade and explicitly says the Grimoire's experiment is responsible for losing Earth are Wiki entries, written by fans more than 15 years ago before Xenoblade's release. You shouldn't blindly just believe these things, but only refer to information from the games instead. The same is true for Dimitri Yuriev from Xenosaga and his unknown age. From Xenosaga we only know that he must have lived for at least a hundred years, but likely longer and that he is a body hopper who got this power from a contact with the Zohar, which is also where he got into contact with the Wave Existence (U-DO) and why he has his fear. It is very similar to hgow Grahf got the same power in Xenogears. He has more knowledge about the List Jerusalem era than most and with the added info from Xenoblade that he actually lived since the Lost Jerusalem era, it makes a lot more sense. The existence of Dimitri Yuriev and the founding of the Salvatore faction in Klaus's world or the Lost Jerusalem era in Xenoblade does not contradict Xenosaga, but actually enhances Xenosaga's lore. (Same goes for Vector, btw., which we already knew existed since the Lost Jerusalem era as a tech-company already) Edit: I just found confirmation that Dimitri Yuriev is in fact thousands of years old and was born during the Lost Jerusalem era. It was just hard to put together. In episode III Sellers says ""A large number of designer children were created for the life transfer experiments of organic beings during the early stages of the UMN. Dimitri Yuriev was one of them. That man was the original Salvator." That was also the dialog where we learn that he made contact to U-DO during that and got his Grahf power. What is interesting is how long ago that was, because the UMN started construction during the Lost Jerusalem era as well. We know that because Grimoire Verum who started the Zohar connection experiments with his daughter (which Klaus eventually uses to phase-shift Earth) was able to survive until a Missing Year between Xenosaga episodes II and III inside the UMN. I really don't understand why people are throwing around all these false information without double-checking anything. I am very late to this discussion, because I just finished Future Redeemed a couple days ago and didn't want to spoil myself. But I kept reading so much misinformation these past few days, mostly based on wrong or incomplete information from fan-written wikis. But while connecting Xenosaga to Xenoblade is very easy with no retcons at all, it is very difficult to do the same with Xenoblade X, at least in the era where X fans want it to be. But it is not impossible and I would even argue that you *need* the Xenosaga connection to make it work properly. Without it, you need something like the "Two Earths" theory which is just ludicrous imo. And there is no supporting fact in Xenoblade's lore to support that. But with Blade being in Saga's shared lore it is easy. After Xenogears the universe was at risk of being destroyed according to Perfect Works. No one knows how exactly, but we do know from Xenosaga that Wilhelm found a way restart the lower domain and return time to the beginning. This started the eternal recurrence. Xenoblade and Xenosaga both take place in the latest cycle of that eternal recurrence which was finally ended by the Xenosaga party. In each cycle, Wilhelm needed to do a bunch of very specific things for it all to work. One of these factors was sealing off Earth after humanity was advanced enough to leave earth. In the latest cycle, he achived that through Klaus' experiment which put earth into a pocked dimension. It is very likely that in another cycle he used aliens to destroy Earth, which we see in Xenoblade X. If often hear that aliens do not exist in Xenosaga's universe, but that is either not true or can't be known. Xenosaga's universe is based on Xenogears' universe where we know that aliens exist. (Alien plants, animals and even Chu-Chus, which are intelligent) The universe is inconceivably large. So large that multiple intelligent species could explore and colonize it for thousands of years and never meet each other. Or if we stumbled over an alien civilization, it's most likely just ruins from thousands or million of years ago. But at least in one cycle, Wilhelm used alien cultures to destroy Earth and where Project Exodus was a means to rescue humanity in one cycle, it was a peaceful venture in another.

The ending sequence was one of the first things I worked on for this video. I had to make sure it was done just right. I might upload the ending by itself depending on public response

@@ShiftedPyro imo you 1000% should upload it by itself. that was A M A Z I N G

Thanks, Snug! I was really glad to have you on! It's awesome that you enjoyed the video!! 😁😁

Thank you! I put a lot of time and care into making it 😁😁 Glad you enjoy the video!

Thank you!! I gave it my all for that section 😁😁

Fire comment 🔥🔥

Ah I see, interesting to see more insight on this. Sparks alot of discussion 😁😁

Why I say Kino due to Riki's Children either being his color or Oka's color with Riku being more close to Kino

​@ShiftedPyro Riku could have also been adopted, just like Kino was

Glad to see that you enjoyed it!

Yeah, the Credit Sequence was one of the first things I worked on for this video. Had to make sure it was just right even after many revisions. I am very glad you enjoyed the video!

@@ShiftedPyro haha update finally playing xenogears

@danielpratt3794 Awesome!! I hope you enjoy peak!!

​@ShiftedPyro 7 months later I finally finished Xenogears, ngl life is busy and the game was just frustrating to play at times (PLATFORMINGNNNNG), But man it was quite a ride, I feel satisfied and I see why people all it one fo the most ambitious games ever made, had my faults with it and will definitely never play it again but I had an amazing journey with it and the groundbreaking story and themes it told. 9/10 hope it gets a remake, and that Takahashi one day gets to make a game where he fully realises his ambitions from start to finish (even though every time he has made to compromise he still makes an amazing game anyway) Also thanks for inspiring me to play all the years later

Makes sense because Kiyota did both tracks and they're really good

I wholeheartedly recommend you to play through Future Redeemed. It's on par with Torna. You don't need to be scared.

@@Fyala102 tbh I'm mostly scared my life will be consumed into my switch by it even more than it already is with totk rn lol

@@byrontheusurper6505 The DLC is only 25 hours, so don't worry. Anyway, I hope you have fun with Tears of the Kingdom!

I wonder as well 🤔🤔

Meh meh meh?

Tomorrow will be a big day

Oh did I only put great? I thought i put great-great-great grandson (I guess not oops 😅😅)

Holy shit i didnt even think about that last one, that makes so much sense

The overall journey and Noah and his allies also gets way more meaningful afther FR I don't know how to explain this properly but i feel this. Also, N feels even more compelling as an antagonist afther it

yeah get off yo goofy ass and play

I have, it was only until i rewatched it i noticed i said it wrong 😭😭😭

@@ShiftedPyro That’s ok!!! We’ve all been there. I really love your videos.

Had to align it with the content style somehow 🤗🤗

@@ShiftedPyro fair enough homie

For X, you would have to rewrite basically an entire story to make it work. If the earth was destroyed because of the experiment, what happened to the Ghosts and the Ganglion? You are right that it's never stated that it's earth but it's heavily implied that it is (Zohar found in Africa, and Jupiter in the FR ending) X also does have the advantage of not needing a license or a third-party compared to Saga but the fact that they deliberately went out of their way to go to Bamco for these references when they could've referenced Saga in the same way they did for the Gears reference must have show that they have some weight of importance? In the end, as long as we get more Xeno and its good, I don't care what direction it takes 👍

Words are hard sometimes 😅😅

How they split off I can get behind leaving vague. It really stems with Noah and Mio just being unique individuals within Aionios, but the game really doesn't explain why. It felt like they were dangling a carrot in front of me that I'll never reach. It's definitely the most disappointing aspect of the story to me.

​@ShiftedPyro My personal biggest disappointment has nothing to do with hard lore. Lore in this series is rarely ever a complete picture, and as I said, I find it enjoyable to craft the picture myself. No, my biggest disappointment with the story was simply that we never got Rex's input or perspective on Mio effectively being forced into moebius. Felt like there was a rich opportunity there for fantastic character drama that doesn't get taken at all. Before the dlc came out, I wanted to see that and wondered if maybe Rex would have a damn bone to pick towards N for this. If future redeemed were flat out a numbered title and had the scope to account for something like that, I'd have felt the story was offically basically perfect.

*wrong buzzer* A's pronouns are never pronounced in game 🫡

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