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I shit you not, the book contains Ana rhapsodising about how amazed she is that Christian can fly a helicopter at night, "OMGWTFBBQ but it's DARK!", apparently not realising headlights exist.

this comment made my day

@@chelonianmobile Headlights are not the reason helicopters can fly at night

@@JimboRustles Helicopters fly by pushing light out of the way so at night you need headlights to point at the rotors so the can still work

Lol not really

A gay punk band, I think.

My roommate in uni referred to his bed as the Lovemaking Chariot. Different vibe but same power level. (He was entirely monogamous his entire time in uni, and his partner would stay the night every Thursday. This made it much funnier.)

Now i need to listen to them

Hear, hear! Eyy oi, we're Designated Sex Bed and this is our new single "F*** my heart hard, garbage person"

she wrote like, two twilight fics b4 50SOG no?

@@xX_Knives_Xx on her blackberry which is another reason why she did zero to no corrections

@@razagan1343 oh my god,,,,,

@@razagan1343 gotta respect the hustle tbh

@@qazwsx6340 I mean ye that part is impressive, I don't agree with many of her stances she takes in and out of her story but she did indeed make the biggest profit on the smallest budget

i feel like i’ve definitely watched an asmr or joi video with that exact title ;)

Im more interested why its called like that? Didnt she heard of HeMan, or is it deliberate?

IIRC, there’s a moment in the original where Bella tearfully says “You are the Master of your Universe, Edward!” The most natural dialogue ever written

@@anthonythompson6053 You have the Poweeeeer!

@@anthonythompson6053 plot twist, this is actually true and this is some kind of horrific 'enchanted' style real would au where price Adam has to learn a lesson about true love

*Stalin x Christian fanfic has entered the chat*

Damiana Dimova God I wish this existed.

@@damianadimova3546 the unshaking will of the proletariat demands that fanfic

@@adeer87 There's Jesus x Hitler fanfic that may tickle your fancy

Floris Bordewijk I’m disturbed and intrigued.

Yeah that's how you fix that story

Sounds like someone needs to right a fanfiction. We could call it, "Fifty Colorful Playthroughs".

Literally my life

I would absolutely watch a movie length JSRF let's play featuring Dakota Johnson and a nude Jamie Dornan. Over the opening titles they could both be doing the various character dances. Jamie busting out the Roboy and Dakota doing an absolutely perfect Gum

Can we get a spin-off where Ana and Christian become KZfaqrs that bond over their love of classic videogames and not this crappy classless work of bondage? (No offense, to the movie. All intended offense to the author and all the bastardizations of literature she's spawned that shackles a great concept to shit source material.)

Dylan Sprouse would've been a much better Christian Grey

@@Tanuki-cl7qi underrated comment

@@nana-rt6zt Y'all here from the NFT video too?

@@zamap4278 This comment makes me feel unclean.

I’m a loner, Dotty. A rebel.

So like, no BS, running around in circles nonsense? Just right to the point? Not a bad way to find out what they're into.

Mine was way too much access to Internet, and then meeting people who were introduced to it in the same way

@@gaspardp7314 Still a better intro than these books.

Don't leave us in suspenders. How did you reply?

@@tsukishiro70 suspenders? I think he meant rope

TRUTH. She's honestly the worst and the only person trivializing abuse is her.

It makes me wonder if she has been so extremely abused and gaslit that she thinks of this as normal... or if she herself has been the abuser and refuses to see her own actions as such.

@@Rose-ef2cm well, considering Dan's conclusion in the latest video that Christian, not Ana, is her self-insert character, I guess we can infer the later.

@@Rose-ef2cm I suspect it has more to do with the wind tunnel that can form when one never hears outside criticism (something that happens with a lot of fanfiction). They are only fed worshiping praise and any honest criticism is just people being "haters". You see it in other areas, for example George Lucas and Micheal Bay.

Rose first I’ve seen that suggested, but I can definitely see my ex thinking this is a great romance purely in an attempt to excuse his behavior, which is his favorite thing to do.

Oh god... When he quoted that I just wanted to call the cops to the writer. Did she NOT proof read this and not think this sounds like something a pedophile would say???

If you haven't already done so, I would advise against watching the rest of this series of videos if you have watched them, are you okay?

Also the way he says girls. Not women, girls.

@@Starmadien2019 this is why i get weirded out when people refer an adult as a man/woman and someone whos age is not revealed as boy or girl Its just creepy. (Btw, im talking about fanfics where they fuCK like most)

Or "Oh My." 😑

If you ever wanted to know how genuine your support is, ponder this: out of 1k upvote, either no one had enough brain to reply anything to you, or it's all bots supporting some agenda. Either way, you're on the losing side of mankind, clapping at your own funeral.

Dakota Johnson really did a great job in this role, and I think the moments of good filmmaking and adaptation are the moments where that shines through the most

I guess because it's not that funny. The movie isn't good and that scene doesn't rise that far above it.

It was such a cute scene, and honestly, if I think fondly of the film at all, it's for the few moments like that that it had. It feels much warmer and more human.

In a vacuum, this is a movie about a woman figuring out that a man is pushing her into being something she doesn't want to be and, the man suffering because of his actions by losing her, which is what that scene foreshadows. Unfortunately, the rest of this series appears to be designed to undercut that message.

With the context provided here that’s one of the funniest lines in the whole video

"did you fuck my stepdad christain grey?"

Just the quotes in this video are one "sir, this is a Wendy's" kind of line after another

DStecks huh, cool seeing you here, though im a bit late on the draw regardless

Oh but he *loves* her and *knows what's best*. /sarcasm I wish there was better erotica/porn out there for women that people felt comfortable talking about openly. Women deserve better than this...

Bibliophile_Writer What? Are you saying women consider sex to be a titillating experience? I would have never have guessed from male erotica that women did the sex.\s

When she wakes up after he takes her back to his hotel (after she gets drunk and assaulted by José) Ana is shocked that Christian didn't have sex with her while she was passed out, and she's sad and offended because she wonders if that means he's actually not into her. So in a way, Christian gets points from the story for not straight-up raping her (what a gentleman!), but simultaneously we find out that Ana equates rape with sexual interest...?

Lets not forget that he give Ana a whole lot of alcohol and blinds her with goodies before he makes a preposition or wants her to sign something Like before she signed the NDA he gave her a wine , in the boardroom meeting for the contract he had also some wine, when he broke into her house though in the book its like he became( harry potter and popped into her apartment) he came with wine . He always fixes issues with sex . He broke into her apartment she wanted to argue it was wrong of him but she was sooo horny (according to the book") they had sex, every time they had sex and he would always fantasize punishing her . In reality abusers always rape their victims "to feel the issue is solved and "calmn the victims" What El fuckery did was she turned a rape domestic abuse stalker boyfriend into a romantic tale. I guess in that universe Ted Bundy was the Pope and Charles Manson was the president .

I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE

The plot of Mulan, but bad

@@nanhty8321 Still more interesting than the actual 50 Shades!

Like a gender-swapped Mulan.

@@reginaldbarclay1637 ...did you watch Mulan?

it's mostly nutty college hipsters and predatory 30 year olds

I hate this franchise but I would read the *hell* out of this fanfic.

@@myettechase honestly, I wanna write a fandfic where after their first breakup, they get separate arcs, where Christian has a breakdown, gets therapy and admits that he was sexually abused, and Ana explores bdsm outside if Christian and finds out she's a dominant. Then they get back together with her as the dom, and Christian learns to trust and be intimate through submissive bdsm play. Bdsm play can actually be really therapeutic for sexual trauma ifs it's done right. Sadly, EL james doesn't understand bdsm enough to write a story about that

@@rosefoxwell-morgan4316 why do i want to write this it would’ve been 10x more compelling

I want to read that!

@@LisaBrock5883 you and me both dear! I would honestly read the books as long as i knew that that aftercare fic was waiting for me 😪😅

Tobias Melin I'm so lazy that I rather watch reviews of movies than watch them, just to keep up pop culture.

I usually try to slot in a movie if there's some kind of discussion about it, but I had up to this point managed to expertly evade the 50 Shadesverse.

Totally worth it

I refused on principle to or read 50 shades of gray once I knew it was twilight fanfic. The extra BS was just icing on the top

Me too, this channel is dope

I've seen a lot of fanfic author names but that is just... WHEW

Hey, that's a totally valid nickname. You know, if you're 13 years old and designing your own myspace page.

Yep. And she was 46 years old when she came up with that name.

Huh. I actually like the name, it's got kind of a rhythm to it.

"You will never save prince Horace."

Jacob assaulted bella? Why dont I remember that?

@@mechamahou8467 it's when he kissed her and she broke her hand punching him in the face

I’m so glad that someone else agrees that what Jacob did constitutes as assault. Bella’s even described as going numb and just waiting for him to be done. And we’re supposed to keep liking him/accept that he and Bella are still friends after this? The Jose plot line in 50 Shades highlights how problematic that dynamic was to begin with.

@@geniehossain3738 exactly! doing anything without someone's consent is assault, even in romance novels, which set a dangerous example for readers. we should hold both meyer and james to that standard.

@@geniehossain3738 I agree as well that what Jacob did should absolutely be seen as assault, pure and simple. She said no SO MANY TIMES, and Jacob just keeps gaslighting her and telling her that she's just fooling herself, and Bella's response to his kiss (freezing) is a very well-documented response to assault that even I have experienced multiple times, unfortunately. Meyer literally describes a trauma response. And after she punches him, he STILL doesn't back down. If you drive someone to the point of getting physical with you to express their nonconsent, you've crossed the line like millennia ago. Some people blame Bella for staying friends with him (and in all honesty, it would have been better if she turned tail and ran), but they don't understand how abuse dynamics work. There's a reason people stay with their abusers and it's not because they secretly like the abuse. It's the opposite; their body and mind go into ultimate defense mode which means not angering the person who is physically stronger than you or has more power/status than you or who can in other ways destroy you or your life. It means shutting down, freezing, and living life on constant alert. The fact that you can be incredibly dependent on someone (either financially, or because of job security, or because you have children together, etc etc) makes it even harder for someone to leave. And the saddest thing is that somehow, people frame Bella staying with Jacob and Edward as "love" and "loyalty", not just excusing that depiction but even idealizing it, making it even MORE difficult for people in those situations to leave, because they're afraid they'll be seen as selfish or disloyal. It's a giant clusterfuck if you ask me.

omg i thought the same thing.

Was Anna wearing a petticoat when she said this? Did Christian give her the vapors?

Taken out of context, “I was drafted. She’s not well.” reads like a rejected early attempt at “For sale: Baby shoes, never worn.”

@@KickinRadTopHat “two sentence horror stories” lol

Plot of Mulan but backwards

I'm pretty sure that one of them is Mike Rugnetta, but I don't know who the lady is. Anyone know?

@@_LocalGhost_ Voice actors are listed in the ending credits of the video

Does he share them with Lindsay Ellis? Is it a co-op situation?

@@WontonTV is

Mike Rugnetta deserves some kind of award for his performance as Christian Gray. He completely nails the sexy-dangerous tone and delivers the insane dialogue in a believable way.

I'd watch a mockbuster of that

Gilda Hobbs - I started the rabbit hole. This was the hundredth time I’ve seen this fanfic mentioned and finally decided to look into it. It has its own Wikipedia page. I feel the need to read it. Just for the lols if anything. Is it really that bad?

Well...it is so bad it is funny. Personally I would recommend looking up a commentary of it. There is an absolutely hilariously one of AO3. I was in the same position as you and I would not have been able to finish it without that sarcastic side notes!

HC Iapetus- also if you are looking for so bad it’s good HP fanfic Hogwarts School of prayer and miracles is my personal favorite, i especially love peculiar banana’s commentary on AO3

Well My Ghost Won’t Associate With Your Ghost - thank you for the feedback and advice. I think I will check it out, especially if I can get some sarcasm attached to it. Would you say it’s like The Room of fanfics? (If you haven’t seen The Room, it’s the ultimate “so bad, it’s good movie”, along with any movie done by Neil Breen) I haven’t read a fanfic in a long time. Unless you count me reading some chapters of my best friend’s fics before she posts them. Used to read a lot of DC Marvel crossover fics, some Heroes fics. Actually never read a HP fanfic, but that’s mostly because by the time I got massively in love with HP, I got busy with work and stuck with audiobooks. But I’m going to check this one out. Lol

Because he's written by someone with absolutely no understanding of what people into BDSM are actually like.

@@calemr Don’t forget that it’s ALSO written by someone who seems to find all the abuse perfectly fine, at least in that she’d absolutely do it all.

The character nor the writer has the emotional maturity to understand how to have a proper conversation about sex and consent

Damnit I meant to say "nor the writer." Has been edited 🙃

It would make for a very boring film.

honestly this lukewarm defence series really opened my eyes to Dakota Johnson's acting! she has some really good comedic timing, i'd love to see her in a competent comedy flick

She also does the double take in the book (I know that because that's about how far I got when attempting to read it)

A severely underrated actress who has a starring role in a severely underrated film called Suspiria.

Lmao never actually paid attention to that clip, she did great

@@seth5143 suspiria is definitely not underrated with the right people. Even more so the original. Certainly doesn’t have the audience of 50 shades but it’s very well regarded by serious viewers

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"Grimacing, agonized face" is even more fitting, both because of the dialogue played over the clip being god awful, but also because Robert Pattinson once said in an interview that he based his facial expressions on how uncomfortable his colour contacts were making him. It's not him not being able to act, that is a genuinely agonized man.

@@Shadowlegendlover And Pattinson also said that he could not understand the character and is kept being told to tone down his expressions to the point of not having facial expressions at all. So being uncomfortable is pretty much all that left. LoL

@@kd0079 Pattinson is actually a pretty good actor and I like that we have gotten to the stage where most people are able to recognize that Twilight being his first really big role was kinda unfortunate. He did good with what he got, but it wasn't exactly easy to salvage.

@@dig8634 I agree. I know a lot of male movie fans that thought he is "that pretty face from twilight that can fool chicks only", but is very pleasantly surprised by his role in Tenet.

From everything about Anna, we can match it to Erika being prickly, and infer she is a genuinely unpleasant person, perhaps even a terrible person. I've kvetched hardcore about Stephanie Meyer, but at least she isn't an unbearable killjoy.

@@brianmead7556 From all I've heard, Stephanie Meyer seems like a decent person. No saint, but nicer than a lot of authors. Helps that the first comparison to come to mind is ELJ, of course...

I'd love for her to find out that "After" by Anna Todd is partially 50 Shades fanfic (it's under the One Direction category and based on One Direction Fanfic, but it actually incorporates a lot of plot points, including the main romance dynamic, from 50 Shades of Grey)

She gives actual good fanfic writers a real shitty name.

@@Tareltonlives i also read somewhere about a comparison like that that it did start as a oneD fanfic but the author really wanted it to be a fiftyshades kind of fanfic but because of being slapped with a lawsuit she opted its better it was a one direction fanfic

To be fair she could have finished writing everything else before publishing.

I'm sure it was made easier by the fact that Mitchell was cribbing straight from Meyer's work, and even when she went off-script she wasn't worrying too much about stuff like structure, foreshadowing and payoffs. Also the fact that you don't have to worry too much about characterisation when the only card in your deck seems to be "Inner Monologue".

Can you write a few pages of the absolute worst-quality stream-of-consciousness bullshit before bed every night? You too could be a successful author!

Also if I remember correctly she wrote most of her stuff on a Blackberry? I mean I'm a bit of a writer myself but I couldn't imagine writing 3 novels at that speed on the old physical keyboard of a Blackberry.

I planned to do once a week updates… it has not happened that way. My goodness.

You can‘t have her schedule the interview herself. After all, she‘s supposed to be shy and vulnerable for him to abuse I hate the book

​@@MaticTheProtoBut even then, like, don't have Ana be her roommate - have her be a classmate or something! Why would you trust your roommate, who's probably not also a journalist and apparently has never interviewed someone before, with this job!? It's madness!

The problem with fanficnet format is that even with subscription format for each fiction it's pretty hard to compete since the fic list always set to "Newest First" so if you as a writer can only churn a chapter slowly (for example, once a week) that fic of yours will be buried deep in page 3 or more in a day or two (in a popular fandom, in VERY popular fandom it will be buried in matter of hours) and in that kind of environment quality tend to take backseat for the sake of churning as many chapters as they can so visitors can notice the fic. Also don't forget the short attention span, forcing the writers to make each chapter having a certain impact even when it means sacrificing the entire narrative for the sake of bombastic event or revelation.

stellvia hoenheim Fanfics? For attention and popularity. There's only so much fic readers might be inclined to read from time to time, and readers feel validated if the one thing readers pick is their story.

@@GigawingsVideo At least new chapters get you back up on that site, if I understand you right. I’m more familiar with (though long since off) FiMFiction, where the “newest first” sorting was by story. Basically, once you posted part of a story, that was it, its spot in line was set in stone. Any further chapters would just be an extra listing within the story, without boosting its traffic in any way. Serialization is still possible, but not advised: by the time you’re on Chapter 5, your story will probably be on page 8 or beyond, and simply can’t go anywhere but deeper into obscurity. On the other hand, serialization had value in that you were banking on readers catching you early on and waiting eagerly for new chapters; getting new ones after a certain point still probably wasn’t happening, though. Personally, though I wrote a couple serial fics there myself, I simply didn’t care about schedules, posting chapters whenever I wanted. I do want people to read my work, but I write for me first and foremost.

I would happily watch that for an hour but not fifty shades itself

Fifty Shades of Mocking Gray?

What about the vaginal fisting line?

The best part was the song by Ellie Goulding which is oddly unrelated for supposedly being made for the movie.

"LeT'S gO fOr CoFfEe aNA"

The community, perhaps, deserves to demonize itself a bit more... It's the first sign of civilization after all.

Thanks andy

yeah thanks

thank you sir I will refrain from such restrain

There's an abuse community now?

Great insight, damn!

Have you read the purity myth by Jessica valenti or any other feminist texts about sexuality? You’ve really nailed some really interesting points!

@@maddieb.4282 I actually haven't! This was mainly just me spotting a pattern lol. I read/write a lot of fanfic, have also dabbled into romance lit, and the sexual double standard trope is very common. The male lead needs to be sexually experienced so he can "wow" the female lead, show off how good he is in bed, etc. Female lead is very often virginal or had lousy experiences in bed so she's stunned by male lead's virility, etc. I've seen fics that explore it being the other way around, which I think is really great. But the double standard trope is still way more common. Just think about all the period pieces where the male lead is a "reformed rake" -- slept with every girl in town, but captivated by the female lead, especially if she's virginal and pure lmao. E.L. James just takes it one step further and wants to indulge that moment of pure virgin being wowed by sexual expert over and over again, to the point where it's not just boring, it's sad.

@@chronoxtreme2427 Yes, really great points -- thank you! 🥰 You also explain how her terrible-in-every-way writing can still be really popular -- by scratching a (common but rarely fulfilled) itch really well -- better and more directly than other books.

Honestly, this is a really good point that I feel like a lot of people miss - myself included. Thanks for putting this into words that very few people could have. It's something that's bothered me for a long time, but I never knew how to say it.

Alexa play sad piano

@@damn_son9683 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNemm5N_uKjPcmg.html

...Is your profile picture the queer anarchist flag?

@@Whaylie indeed, it is

@@justiziabelle there's a flag for that?

TheBananamonger except she isn't talking about communism and it's symbolic colour; it's talking about "The Communist Manifesto", a piece of print media that usually comes with a white-paper cover lol

Yames, Comrade Anastasia.

She did, I'm assuming

I'm fairly certain that it was more about bewilderment at the line itself rather than a genuine question about the color of the communist manifesto. Then again, it is edited and this is youtube so everything is possible.

Izzy Lebreux you are correct. I had to edit it because the italics didn’t work the first time

*h m m* _a l c o h o l_

It gets lost when 90% of the character's thoughts or speech are "Hmmm" and/or "oh my".

I noticed that too. An awful author

Once again an example of the filmmakers knowing the character better than the actual writer. When is Christian ever outdoors in this series, other than his beach honeymoon and the helicopter crash? His whole life is business meetings which require, y'know, business clothes.

Pukadon 😂

Ah I see we’ve got another paperbookdreams fan

@@foxfyre9908 It's really a shame those videos appear to be gone :(

The classic “oh is better use my fancy vocab to impress the -English teacher- editor

Aurelia Verity Dakota Johnson took this movie the same way I took all of my high school projects: the desire to make something laughably great out of the most useless subject. I’d willingly pick the stupidest of topics to work on, because you could incorporate humour and satire into in an unconventional way. She did a good job, I think, with what she could work with. It takes either good talent or sheer luck to be a good enough actress to fine tune comedy when you’re not in a comedic role, and play it off as innocence. Considering her parents are quite successful, I’m hoping it’s the former.

I like Johnson’s take in the second film: “No! You’re not puttin’ those in my butt.” That was really funny and well performed.

They both hated this series and probably fired their agents. They don't even like each other that much.

I know! Aren't they at a nice restaurant?

I'm imagining that one meme of Lisa Simpson staring at her plate but like, mirrored with the soup in the middle.

Honestly I could easily see that line in a fanfic. But I guess it’s worth more criticism if it’s a published work.

... I read that as soap. Like, a restaurant that serves soap. It took me several seconds to realize it wasn't the setup for a skit.

I feel like there are a lot of words used in these books that fall under the 'I don't think it means what you think it means' category for ELJ. Like, why dubiously? What exactly is dubious about the soup? Or is the soup incidental and the dubiousness is supposed to apply to them, their stares, the convo? There is no context provided that actually makes sense with this quoted sentence's setup.

Clara Kolterman Do it then!! There are 10,000 resources out there to help aspiring writers like yourself make better romance, better erotica, better kink, better mystery, just better everything. So go for it!!

You're a virgin? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME!?!

@@lamia4511 It makes you wonder if James lived an insanely massively sheltered life somehow if she thinks it is believable for young adults to not understand sex

@@lamia4511 I lost my virginty 10 years ago, and I still do not understand why it is supposed to be fun.

Im legit 13 and I could do it more accurately than E.L James

Right? Aftercare is so important for scenes.

@@lassielyra ikr? one of the first scenes we're shown of the movie (i haven't watched it) and he leaves Ana alone during a sub drop? girl should've turned tail and RUN

I don't even engage in BDSM, and even I know that aftercare is important. And like Dan said, it's okay for Christian to be a bad guy, so it makes sense he wouldn't engage in aftercare at first, but we should've seen that change over the course of the books

@@sludgeparty not just a sub drop, but I think it's her FIRST sub drop. I was COMPLETELY emotionally unprepared the first time I inadvertently experienced it and was really embarrassed by how I acted for a long time after, despite my partner repeatedly assuring me it was completely okay. Maybe she's tougher emotionally than me, but based the writing I doubt it.

Folding Ideas shows pussy in a video about 50 Shades of Gray, causes an uproar in the community.

Theres no justification for a 100 year old man to try manipulating a teenage girl. Tf are you on? 50 shades being worse doesnt make twilight better. Let's stop that shit.

@@mechamahou8467 but.... In the lore of twilight despite him being well over 100 years old, he's mentally and physically stuck at 17 years old I'm guessing he's a quite bit more mature having gone through 100+ of teenage hormones, but at the end of the day he's still an eternal teenager

@@FIRING_BLIND -I don’t understand how you can be “mentally seventeen” if you’ve lived a hundred years. Your mind doesn’t stay seventeen if your biological clock stops at seventeen.

@@mechamahou8467 -“50 shades being worse doesn’t make Twilight better”-I get that that’s somewhat metaphorical, but one, it’s a definite contradiction, and two, I feel like OP wasn’t really trying to defend Twilight, just point out that Twilight has one redeeming quality to Edward’s behavior while 50 Shades had a wholly different dynamic. One piece of bad media being better than another does not mean that piece of media is good, I agree with you on this, but I don’t think OP argued that to begin with.

@@cthulhutheendless1587 well the idea seemed to be that edward was "justified" in his actions in retrospect when comparing him to a worse individual like christian grey. So it seemed like an attempt at absolving or reframing the character.

The book was popular for sexually-repressed middle-aged housewives precisely because the kinkyness was so tame.

@@asddsa8203i.e. it’s just vanilla enough to be as mainstream as playboy. Yeah. I hate our society. Kink is cool, why is it taboo?

I mean in some places of society, instead of kink being taboo people will go in the extreme opposite direction instead which is also harmful, where they wanna push kinks on everyone and insist people have to have the exact same ones as them. So there's harm on both "sides" unfortunately. #weliveinasociety lol

@@_noctivagus_ kinks are fine and normal. You missed the point entirely

@@MaticTheProto no, I didn't, but I probably didn't word it well tbf so I just edited it

Yeah because this movie appears to have been made by people who hate the source material and took every possible chance to have fun at it and it’s author’s expense

@@patrickhughes9304 Mitchell, is that you?

Honestly, I think Kelly Marcel, Sam Taylor-Johnson and Dakota Johnson all did a fantastic job with the movie. Obviously the movie is still not good, but Dakota Johnson's performance is excellent, especially considering how little Jamie Dornan is bringing to the table, and the writing is excellent considering how awful the source material is.

Abigail Agreed, Johnson did a very good with playing a character as bland and unlikeable as Ana. And I quite liked Taylor-Johnson’s cinematography in the first film. It made the story that much more pleasant to endure. However Dornan seemingly decided, that staring intensely into everyone’s eyes constituted being charismatic and enticing.

@@patrickhughes9304 for good reason

Username checks out

I take it you have some personal experience.

My username has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my username.

I def agree, fan work is a way for you to still stay in a world you love, with characters you love, doing things you wouldn't/ haven't gotten to see them do. I've only read on fanfic, a RWBY WhiteRose manga. I don't read fan works normally, because for me it doesn't really scratch the same itch as the source does. But I just need White Rose to happen already, so fucking badly!!! So I sought out a fanfic to help deal with that craving. Sometimes you just got to see to characters date, even if the source hasn't given you that yet lol

There is a fanfic of FairyTail that completely revamps the world and only keeps the characters that I absolutely fell in love with for a while. But I started this message to say that when I was younger, I used to play pretend with a friend that an evil version of the Prince from Cinderella was forcing us to clean the tables after school. Guess that was technically my first fanfic on hindsight. And here I thought I had no interest in it till 2014-2015 ish.

I've read fanfiction, but I don't even know what a "coffee shop" fic is. I may have accidentally read one, but irdk what was, if any.

@@RickJaeger Coffee shop AUs are basically what they are. The canon crew either owns, works, and/or visits a Coffee Shop. If you have a ship, they'll also meet in a coffee shop if you're referring to Coffee Shop AU. Most of them are wholesome but I've read one or two that has darker themes.

@@quitegauche oh, i see. then no, I've never read one of those.

yeah like something that I see a lot in reviews for fifty shades is specifically how the first movie is actually decently well shot and does some interesting things with the cinematography. And then we never get that again.

SHE DID SURVIVE!

Oh yeah, it's all coming together

Eugenia Bukhman yes, it wouldn’t be surprising if it was true.

This is 100% canon and no one else can tell me otherwise

Call Joe McCarthy

Rinoa Page Also, as Dan says, this would have been a great way to SHOW us exactly what Mitchell herself tried to TELL us in Darker about Christian as a “dominant.” But Mitchell has such a terrible understanding of her own story that she didn’t see that!

Oh my god, right? The tale of Mr. Grey interfering with this girl's life, claiming to be a dom, but ultimately proving he lacks the strength, restraint, or leadership ti takes to earn the gift of her submission, could be one of the best stories in BDSM, instead of this.... ugh, it's so horrible it just.... is the word for this kind of trash now. I can't call it anything else, it IS the thing bad kink should be called.

just curious if you've seen Secretary and if so what'd you think?

This movie could've been so interesting if Mitchell had given up control and the writers and directors were allowed to a explore a dysfunctional bdsm relationship and ultimately show that Christian is not capable of the responsibility that comes with being a dom with that scene, but instead we get this shit. The one thing that almost redeems it is when Anna says "No!" Before she leaves and he looks taken aback, it seems like he almost expects to be able to lure her back (which sadly he does in later movies) and is actually surprised that she has the strength to turn him away and leave him.

@@asherael We probably wouldn't have gotten exactly that, but something way closer had Mitchell not been on set screaming like a banshee if they wanted to add some (character-I mean-style-I mean-..) difference to her precious Edward-I mean-- Christian. The actually artistic ladies on set/great director were squandered.

StarryNight1313 RIGHT

Yesssss, I still think about this HP fanfic called the Apartment, about Tonks and Lupin meeting when they live in the same building. It's short but really good 👌🎉🎉

The stats on Masters of the Universe must have been insane though. 16, 000 ++ reviews (half of which were probably Mitchell's replies because reply comments count) added on top of how frequently she was updating meant her fic was constantly on the front page. Just constant exposure to the title flashing in front of your face on the first page of the Twilight fanfiction index would have eventually earned her fic at least a cursory click of curiosity bumping up her hit counts through the roof. A fic like that looks very good to a publisher because it looks popular and could translate into great sales. And look what happened. It's a New York Times best seller. It's just unfortunate Fifty Shades of Gray is a total load of garbage and continues to cement the wider public's belief that fanfiction is terrible and fanfiction authors are terrible writers when that isn't entirely true.

​@@hyrulphicsound 16,000 is a wild underestimate. Forum and blog posts indicate that it broke 50,000 reviews within seven months, far more than any fic still on the site, and eventually reached 56,000. (Sources can be found in question details at bitly/MOTUpopular.)

@@IZEASGT What! XD That's even worse! But I guess that's what frequent updating can get you. Some people just want to be able to read something every day regardless of the fact that it's crap.

Jordan Tullis I feel so sorry that this is the first movie she’s gonna be known for since from all accounts, her acting did the best it could to lift the material.

If it helps, she was in The Social Network. So, if you bump into Dakota Johnson walking down the street, just say "You were awesome in The Social Network!"

At least she is in the suspiria remake, should give her another chance to get a new reputation

@@SamaritanPrime She was also great in _Bad Times at the El Royale_ . I'd recommend it (if you haven't seen it or it's still showing in your local cinema).

I found your comment more erotic than the entire 50 Shades franchise.

I’m sorry, it what?

@@elladnhm4324 It makes crustacean's ass content, and their bod hole got slapped (I think this is a good thing, from what I'm gathering)

Same, I honestly don’t want to give the series the benefit of the doubt just cuz of Erika Mitchell. She just sounds like the least deserving person possible of her kind of success

@@ailma0400 It's frustrating, honestly. I would say at least Stephanie Meyer comes across as nice enough, but there was that time for the first Twilight movie she got really mad when they casted a black guy as one of the vampires because "Twilight vampires are all pale and white" which is- You know.

Ad Lockhorst Well, there are still coffee shops that bring coffee out to you table so it’s not unviable just yet

And just like Dan said, just having Anna be the more-so instigator, even as a virgin less reluctant than him, would mean a lot. Its not hard, and Im sure from the other work smoothing this film, it couldve been done, but having him say those things or these implications would mean changing his character a bit, and ohhh boy, mitchell having a conniption fit. The other wonderful ladies on set who worked their damnedest to make it palatable can only do so much, lol. And I think thats kinda the summary of this video.

I believe you mean Steele himself

@@user-fm9cl8ck1t *Rim shot*

I think if that were the case, ELJ has to be a good author first, which is such a stretch.

*sounds of moaning through the helicopter's telecommunications*

Thank goodness I'm not the only one who thought that lol

Yeah that would be an actually cool "first" to talk about.

I have this vision of a helicopter, hovering in mid air with nobody at the controls. Just ... bouncing slightly. Up and down. Up and down.

@@laurendearnley9595 And you would be correct.

That's... infuriatingly stupid. Not the fact it bothers you, the fact she calls it that.

Wait, I assumed that "rooster sauce" was some Canadian thing that Dan was referencing (like poutine or the North American house hippo). But it's actually referencing a dumb thing that E.L. James says? 😱

I mean, it's got a rooster on it.

@@jacksobrooks But if you don't want to refer to it as the branded product, just... call it "hot sauce?" "Rooster sauce" sounds like a goofy themed item at a child-oriented restaurant and that's not what anyone wants to think about while reading erotica.

@@noesunyoutuber7680 Rooster Sauce is what u get when u put a whole chicken in a juicer

It's almost like E.L. James did next to no research on her subject beyond looking up a list of various kink/BDSM items...

I could have sworn he used a cane on her in the book (that I read the smutty parts of, from a library copy)

Also it’s common to try and get used to something before just jumping into it, like most people wouldn’t go to a belt, maybe a riding crop or a wooden spoon or something…not right to a belt. I feel like that would totally overwhelm someone who’s A) never had vanilla sex with anyone else before B) barely had any kinky experiences. Christian is a totally irresponsible Dom and and idiot. You can’t just thrust someone into such a delicate emotional and physical state you need trust.

@@AleksandarBell THIS, also he just does not give aftercare, at all. Even Sadist doms give aftercare

I'm not even in the kink community but I've seen some girls/guys into getting their genitals flogged like insane that whipping her ass with a belt is the worst she could imagine literally just look up ANY bdsm porn

what's weird is that Ana still has that dynamic with her mother

I mean, Bella is still immature, but the ways in which she is immature versus how Ana is immature are very different. Ana is immature in the sense that she is, like Dan says, naïve to the point of farce. She's often confused and overwhelmed to the point where she kinda comes across as being a bit dumb. Bella, on the other hand, is immature in the sense that she's a massive brat. She's still not all that smart, but she is very manipulative and can and will throw what are essentially tantrums if things don't go her way. As for her mother, a lot like the main character in The Book of Henry it's not so much that Renee and Charlie can't take care of themselves, but that Bella self-martyrs because it makes her look good.

A lot of people think that "childlike" is more sexy...which is why I can't watch a lot of the anime that's out there

Bella is a total brat who throws a ridiculous, months-long tantrum because her boyfriend broke up with her (and then manipulates another boy, stringing him along for purely selfish reasons). She ignores her friends, really hurts her dad, and keeps forgetting her mother (whom she constantly belittles) even exists. That is not what anyone should call mature. Meyer tells us one thing but shows the complete opposite.

So because her mom is "flighty" and she's not that makes her mature? Because judging from her actions, she sure as hell was not. Where does she show any signs of maturity, other than her establishing in the beginning that she "takes care of her mom" or is more of the adult than her mom is? Bella is like that 10 year old girl who wants to only hang out with the bigger kids and thinks she's more "grown up" than her peers because she reads seventeen magazine and watches shows like Gossip Girl and Riverdale lmao. Weird comparison, but still.

Oh good. I'm not the only one replacing Christian with Skelator. It's more fun to imagine all his dialogue in Skelator's voice.

Replace Christian with Skeletor....and maybe Ana with He-Man?

Juan Luis Vargas Pareja Hahaha me too😂

I'm surprised this isn't a robot chicken skit yet.

True. And it's quite ironic that He-Man looks like a gay bondage slave XD

This also illustrates one of the main strengths of AO3 as a fanfic platform over FFn-the fact that it has detailed genre and trope tags means that not only can I easily *find* non- and dub-con fic to read, I can also be pretty sure the author *knows* that's what they're writing.

I had no idea you were into that kinky lifestyle

I think it's just cause James genuinely doesn't understand that this is a dangerous situation so she can't portray fun danger.

exactly, in fiction i like a lot of stuff that ranges from questionable to straight up illegal irl, but if it's any good you can always tell the author of the story is aware of what they're doing, even if within the context of the story it's portrayed as ok. and that awareness makes it easy to context switch. i'd argue that's one of the reasons (besides all the ugh bdsm parts) 50 shades is so much worse than twilight. twilight may have shown unhealthy relationships but fundamentally everyone knows that vampires and werewolves are fiction and a situation wherein you date a 100 y/o vampire boy as a teenager will never ever happen in real life so it's not that big a deal. 50 shades is intentionally written as wish fulfillment for real people, with the rich hot guy sweeping the average shy girl off her feet and falling in love with her. you're supposed to identify with it and want this for yourself, not in a "then the cute vampire bad boy takes you because you're so special" way but in a "this is how a relationship should be" way.

@@erraticonteuse THIS. YOU PUT IT INTO WORDS. EXACTLY

You can never have too much fun writing a script.

Yoy missed the "limp"

Matthew Morris +

Well now I know what to keep my ears open to :P

I have watched this so many times and just now caught that the 7 minute mark he also drops a pun on the name of the title. Can't even tell if it's intentional or not because what he says is such a natural thing to say.

The abuse is the point. Mitchell's original fic has Christian (Edward) as the focal figure. Her fantasy is being the abuser, but that would be harder to sell to a wide audience than simply shitty BDSM.

Mitchell can't ever be wrong, or incorrect, or misinformed, or anything other than perfect. She'll argue for the sake of arguing. The successful way to handle trolls is to ignore them and exclude them from the discussion, but Mitchell just kept getting handed tickets to the party where she proceeded to shit on everyone. Predictably, her first work not Shades related was panned because it was worthless tripe. So she'll likely return to the old well and keep writing Shades material because otherwise her unreadable tripe won't sell and she'll be unable to pay her bills. Hopefully she continues to be a contained cyst which simmers along without affecting anyone else.

@@googiegress7459her bs books and movies already did harm to the bdsm community

You should watch the Dom review of the book, movie and adaptation of it. I never felt so sorry for a youtuber. And the name is freak coincide.

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Yup.

Agreed

Especially when EL turns around and goes after people for doing the exact same thing. Definitely gives me a lot more respect for how Stephanie Meyer has handled her situation, even if her writing isn't to my taste.

EL James was the best gift anyone could have given Stephenie Meyer. That woman was toxic waste before EL James came along and ripped her off. Once I found myself defending Twilight after the fact I had to take a good hard look in the mirror, lol.

We all complained about Twilight until it's shittier, even more tone deaf cousin came along and showed that 'hey, in retrospect, maybe Twilight wasn't that bad.' Although, as someone who was in the target demographic at the time of the books release, I was not part of the hate brigade. I thoroughly enjoyed being "pants" when reading the novels (kudos to those who get that reference.) That being said, I did not watch the movies, because at that point I was both fed up with the hype and I had come to realize that it's more interesting to BE the vampire than to be the one the vampire is interested in. (I'd rather be Spiderman than Spiderman's Girlfriend.)

Sierra Southwell I still have problems with Twilight, mainly because I attempted to read them. There’s serious problems with the writing , plot, and characters. That something much worse came along, doesn’t make those books good.

If you're still going through the backlog, my personal favorites are his video on The Book of Henry and Nostalgia Critic's The Wall (and the Fifty Shades trilogy you've presumably already watched since you were able to leave this comment).

@@CaptianKatsura thanks for the recs! yeah i finished the fifty shades trilogy and really loved it, i'm hooked on this channel

​@prismatoxic not sure if you're still looking for recs but I have been OBSESSED with his "The Art of Storytelling and the Legend of Chun-Li" (which led me kind of through a rabbit hole of his videos on the Kuleshov Effect, Diegesis, the Thermian argument, and how much power does the author have)

God damn it, Dan and Mike, I'll never be able to watch Crash Course Mythology again.

Is this the next fan-fic saga?

Yeah, this reads like a fanfiction I would for sure read xD

Yeah,I don't get it either-it befuddles me,dude..

Yes, totally!!!

Our culture loves to mock things teenage girls love, and mock things moms love, and mock things young women love. Maybe... our culture just kinda dismisses women altogether 🙃 (along with may other, oppressed groups)

But you also have to seperate that mocking. That mocking can also come from the point that the same people that fully embraced the book and movie did before look down on people living more sexually open lifestyles than them. And it's that hypocrisy that many people mocked. That the thing they'd frequently have to hide was suddenly mainstream, and in such a bad and creepy form at that. So it isn't about them liking erotica. It's about the neighbour speaking down on you because you've had two different guys over two following nights. The ones that's spread rumours about you being a prostitute.

Emily Chb you said exactly what I was coming here to say. I think the issue isn’t so much that it’s “mommy porn” and more that the demographic that ate this schlock up were the same ones that would be clutching their pearls at any other sort of mainstream portrayal of sex in media. The cognitive dissonance of the suburban mom who would scowl at you for cursing in public but then would give EL James’ poorly written rape fantasies a free pass because it’s “hot.”

It's just nonsensical

Man some people are literally into cutting other people/getting cut with knives how is a few smacks with a belt the worst it gets

I feel like Christian just bought those because he thought they looked cool and doesn’t realize he can use them.

@@idontneedaname318 tbh i'd take a knife over a real belt with a buckle, that shit breaks skin if you do it in real life. the book and film are just bad

@@idontneedaname318 average kink enthisiast from London.

Shani D I agree with almost everything you said, except I’d argue that the submissive and the dominant/trix both have the same amount of power; either of them can use their safeword at any time and both of them decide what their soft and hard limits are. It’s more nuanced than that, of course, but I just wanted to point out that even though the safeword is usually seen as something useful only for the bottoms/subs, in a healthy BDSM scene or relationship the dom/top has an equal right to call a stop to the fun times. :)

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Most of this fetish-y stuff is just about giving the participants the feeling of [intense experience]. Like, for example, simulating the feeling of breaking into an attractive person's house with the intent to ravage them; simulating the experience of being forcibly restrained and commanded around sexually by a still attractive burglar and kidnapper; while still being able to press the pause button with the safe word if something outside your game of "kidnap" needs attending to. Christian Grey actively dances around with the question of whether he actually means all of his domineering and controlling behavior. Anna certainly is never entirely sure whether it is all "just a sexy game" to him, and this is the core of his BDSM sins.

Research goes a long way, my friend. Unfortunately, Mitchell's ego and fantasies were so beyond herself that she couldn't give a shit about what inconsistencies people point out to her.

@@haggisa I would say in theory the power is even, but what people dont realize is that, to be a dom in a healthy BDSM relationship ok nship requires one to be the giver. In a non-BDSM relationship, there is always a giver and a receiver, in vanilla relationships that role needs to cycle through both parties to maintain balance because Givers burn out. It is the weaker role and it genuinely places the majority of the effort on that individual. In most BDSM relationships, roles rarely if ever change. So the Dom is the Giver with the Sub being the Receiver. It gives the easier job to the sub. Subs have the ultimate power in a relationship because of their position in the cycle of the relationship.

Twilight isn’t that bad. It’s just bland. I’d say Romeo and Juliet is far worse yet somehow it’s still famous.

Electric Boogaloo Fucked up gender dynamic that was too much for my 15 years old self to notice or object to + yes, blandness, that I did not notice because I was too busy mentally getting off on how hot Edward was - besides this, it is not a bad read. I still maintain that. Her work significantly expanded my vocabulary, lol that girl likes fancy words. Its atmosphere was quite yet obessive, it was boy crazy as fuck, it romanticized the supernatural - perfectly designed for teen me. That's got to take some talent, no? I'd still reread it for the memories.

And I liked Bella. Did not think she was as void of personality as everyone around me thought. She was a distinct character to me. I never 'blended' myself into her. She was way too emo and intense and academically gifted for me to relate lmao

Oh lmao hi

Amy Lorenzo romeo and juliet isnt meant to be a love story, it's a satire on romance and family.

Yeah that's a good point... an editor probably would've noticed and corrected that detail if this was written by Anyone Else

HA this is super relatable, all the easter eggs it's so hard not to add as a fanfic writer. Actually, one of the things I think is great about Dan's analysis is that he doesn't use the fact that 50 Shades originated as fanfiction to berate it, more to explain why it is the way it is. So like, yeah, it makes sense that Jacob was there throughout Master of the Universe when he didn't serve the story directly, because he *did* serve the story in the sense that he served a purpose for the readers to recognize a character and a character relationship they enjoyed from the original. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it served a perfectly valid function, it's just that it's something that needed to be better handled for the story to have been adapted well. It's not the *fact* that it was fanfiction that's the problem, it's that there are things that work in that medium that don't work for a novel, and lots of those things weren't properly adapted.

What fandom?

The problem is you end up not sure where to place the character especially if its a fan fic , you you begin yo wonder if you should kill the character in a car accident or he just got sick or got deported etc. I also write but one advice people always give me is stick to what you can eat and finish even if its a fanfic just have characters you can handle , you dont need all characters just the main ones only

Fair enough. But you’re not a published author, are you? Mitchell doesn’t get that excuse anymore.

The One and Only Michael McCormick oh no her shit blows I wasn't making excuses for her. Honestly, I think I was just complaining lol

Maria M this is a super old comment, but I really agree. The first movie was awful, but it had some really good camera work because of the director. Christian’s shots are all dark, grey, and desaturated, while what’s-her-face’s scenes are much brighter and better saturated. It’s a visually interesting movie, even if the story was boring and the dialogue was clunky.

Yeah...that's been happening a lot. Don't go see the Crimes of Grindlewald, btw.

DAEsaster Wish I had seen this comment sooner lmao. I can’t agree more

Still baffles as to how she retained so much power in the editing process let alone the making of a theatrical movie. I'm a creative writing major and basically the last two years of school taught me "publishers hold the fate of your novel in their hands and if you won't make changes they won't publish you".

Well, it might have been less bad but I doubt it would cross over to be good.

I guess you could put tentacle p0rn into the „erotic horror“ section. Anything that is nightmare fuel, but at the same time makes you curious and intrigued, because „how would that even WORK???“ 😂

@@ArDeeMee I guess that works, but for different reasons. While tentacle porn seems to come up a surprising amount, especially in anime (supposedly, I haven’t watched too much anime), from what I understand it’s seen as a generally negative thing by most, rather than most kinks naturally having their fans. A big part of that, and the true horror, is that tentacle porn is not merely erotic, but often violation. Likewise, I think an “erotic horror” would be something along the lines of if Fifty Shades was aware of the abuse issues and doubled down. Have the erotic aspects be a medium for the horror. Given the bit Dan mentions about Ladykiller in a Bind, I’m willing to bet the disturbing scenario he brought up was along these lines.

I love this interpretation. My ass only heard it as “this is yet another example of a fan fiction being overly descriptive of the character’s apparel for the sake of consistent fanart”. But no, she’s just irrationally ANGRY that he’s wearing a specific combination of clothes. Fucking amazing, dude.

Actually they didnt really have sex until they both married, they both get into the steaming stuff but Edward stop before it reach to anything, because he says that he feared hurting her, the real reason never the less, is that Meyer is a Mormon and put her dogma into the books, because Meyer is a Mormon and Mormonism forbid people to have sex prior marriage is the reason why Edward and Bella never do it, it a bullshit excuses, because after they marry, they have sex, no issues there.

@@TheKeyser94 I'm really confused by this, because you started out that comment with "Actually", and then said everything I already said? Like, I know.

She probably marked Edward as OOC

Also she writes Edward as a top, EDWARD MASON CULLEN (I thinj that's his name) a straight up DOM, like girl 😂

I'm sure she actually understood Edward's character just fine, it just didn't matter. A huge part of every fandom is made up of stories where the characters have literally nothing - often not even circumstances or setting - in common with the actual source material. Think of things like the millions of words expended on Naruto and Sasuke and crew as normal people in world without magic attending an American high school together. All fanfiction basically exists on a continuum between the original source material with the wording changed a in a few places to things like this. There is probably less fanfiction out there where all of the main characters actually accurately recreate the characterization they possess in the source material than there is successful published fanfic-with-the-serial-numbers-scratched-off out there. Most writers really only want a handful of canned character dynamics, names and the appearances and positive feelings / readerbase associated with them, and possibly the setting. Often not even that much. A lot of the time fanfiction is the way it is because people like the setting and want to play around in it by altering key events, basically doing the equivalent of those 'marvel what if' comics, except those same people have almost certainly spent a few hundred times as much time with the distorted fanfic version of those characters as the original, and in a lot of fandoms the thing they really care about most with that change is getting the main characters to be different - naruto that's hard and edgy and talented and serious like Sasuke, Harry Potter with...basically the same characterization, etc. The reason these characters all inevitably end up not just distorted caricatures - which makes sense for the above reason - but this one specific character over and over again is that they prove to be empty spaces for people to project their power fantasy on top of. They're self-inserts, and even when people aren't doing that on purpose, they come to associate this bland amalgam of others' self-inserts with the character's name and space in the setting more than the character himself. For other people, it isn't about the setting at all but shipping, and they tend to do the exact same thing, except often jettisoning as much of the setting as is necessary to play into their own fantasy - settings come with a lot of pre-established baggage and complexity that can get in the way of you but in a hot younger body and some hot actor getting their fuck on. TL;DR: She might have actually known Edward perfectly well but did not care because she was just far enough down the fanfiction spiral that it was easy to shove her own malformed fantasies into the skins of someone else's characters without second guessing it. She might have never even read the novels (you'd be surprised how many people in various fandoms only know them through the fanfic and have 0 familiarity with the source material) and was always just writing her own original fiction for an audience she knew would have lower quality standards the same way tens of thousands have written a quarter of a shitty original fantasy novel but placed Harry Potter but gay, blonde, and a master of karate in it.

ActuallyAnanya I desperately hope that does not happen. So much talent out there on the internet deserving of appreciation. And those who dismiss fanfiction out of hand have us to consistently object to their assumptions, do they not?

i honestly cant tell you how much i appreciate and enjoy fanfiction. there are so many beautifully written fanfics i've read whether it be about the harry potter universe or any other fictional universes.. stories that took me on a journey just as good as the original content did. it's just such a shame that it has such a bad rep. there's some amazing authors out there who are exceptionally good at what they do, who on top of everything let people read their work for absolutely free! it's just so unfortunate that it's brushed aside and mostly only taken as a joke.

crossfires ❤

ActuallyAnanya i don't even like 50 shades but it's so obvious that you're jealous of her

Loser ??? Why would I be jealous of someone on the receiving end of so much vitriol? I'm not interested in ever getting any of my fanfiction adapted and frankly I don't think any of my work is good enough to warrant that anyway, but I do think it's unfair that fanfiction as a whole is viewed under a specific lens, partially due to her impact. I'm more upset for the sake of my favourite fanfic writers than I am for myself.

Same here 💙

I've watched these videos an ungodly amount of times. I just keep coming back

Litterally here to try and nap

Absolutely true

Yup

I don't get the problem. I've read the book and it's very consensual. Christian always asks for consent from her and when she feels disrespected she puts him in his place.

@@cutienerdgirl consent and boundaries go beyond just sex. Especially in a bdsm context

@@cutienerdgirl Consent is a tricky thing, especially in the circumstances in the book. Anna is incredibly childish, and Christian is absolutely aware of it. That's why he manipulates her into giving him what he wants, with alcohol, money, being hot and cold all the time... In the book, it's explicitly stated that Anna doesn't want to play the bdsm thing (she doesn't even call it bdsm, she calls it beating) but she feels like she needs to do it so that Christian will stay with her

or Strong Bad

This is worse than that time I was seduced into a kinky BDSM relationship with a weirdo billionaire psychopath who's also a total hottie

@@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks "Deeear Anastasia, how do you type with fuzzy handcuffs on your wrists? Sincerely, Barry McOckner, South North Dakota."

Holy crap Lois Christian Grey has asked me to go for coffee with him

You know what really grinds my gears? When my boyfriend doesn't let me do things on my own! I mean holy crap guys, I just want to go out with my friends and he tells me I hafta go and have really kinky sex with him. Honestly, it's crazy!

With Dakota Johnson pegging men and women pls thanks

Might be interesting to see what they could do with an historical romantic drama or even an erotic thriller. Has there ever been an erotic thriller with female director and writer?

@@michiganscythian2445 Trouble every day by Claire Denis? hahaha

@@michiganscythian2445 In The Cut.

Honestly, that would be epic

OmegaFoxxtrot Well it fits the theme around here. A love story lifts up domestic abuse, a kinky erotica kink shames, an inarticulate hack has an English major as a main character . . . Maybe we should rename this series to Fifty Shades of Tragic Irony.

She also adopts the writing style of "an adjective isn't enough. Every description needs to be a contrived metaphor/simile"

@Eddie at The LMV Really? I've heard "heart in my throat," but never that. I guess it's an exaggeration of that.

that's funny, that's what I feel like reading excerpts from these books.

@@Yawyna124 The idiom is that your heart "jumps into your throat," as in, from where it is within you. "Slams into your mouth" is a somewhat different image: ❤➡💥👄

@@jacoblessing7929 Yeah, and it's figurative language for when you're stressed and you can palpably feel your pulse internally, and it's hard to breath, not literally "Man, my heart is now in my throat."

You can't just swap vaguely similar words into and out of figurative expressions (especially traditional set phrases,) and expect the meaning or force to be preserved. If a person looks gloomy, you wouldn't, for instance, ask them "Why are you in a chocolate scrutiny?" The reason is that figures of speech evoke very particular images (whence _figurative._ ) As you say, when one is nervous, one might feel a quite particular feeling, not easy to describe, but very like not being able to breathe,and a metaphor of something obstructing your windpipe does very well. "Slams into your mouth" is more like a description of being hit in the face by an external force, and is a much less effective metaphor. I would have thought this would be a plainly evident fact to anybody...

For once, the "books are always better" rule is not in effect. ….That's kind of scary.

+CleverCover you also can't say "Still a better love story than Twilight" because... it isn't.

I always see comments saying the books are better, when the books give very weak characteristics to the characters. Ana is still rather bland, but at least she has a backbone in the films and is willing to give her opinion whether Christian likes it or not. I loved the scene when she told Christian that she would more than happily leave him just to have that baby due to his immature reaction. The scenes where she basically tells him to fuck off are much more convincing than the scenes they have when they're being romantic and that says a lot.

That’s terrifying, and I can only imagine how it would have eroded away your sense of self!

i came to believe that i couldn't leave and he could read my mind and would know if i thought something critical of him. but i got away after 2 years. you know why? because he said he wanted to have a baby and i was beyond horrified at what would happen to a baby if he got near it. that woke me up.

It’s kind of a weird quirk of human brains how much we can sometimes downplay our own fear or misery or pain! I totally believe that it took thinking about the potential harm to another not yet existing human being to create the needed motivation!