dammit i forgot to mention it can carry an item (also ur right mega ray is FUCKED UP)

What were they smoking when they made Mega Ray?! It could not have been hard to come up with a mega stone. Hell, even if they wanted to make it a Primal, the Jade Orb was right there from HGSS. A mega that's free to hold an item and just needs arguably the best physical Flying type move in the game?!

in legends zaza they will put Calyrex on Mega Rayquaza, you can quote me on that

@@maciewaciej Calyrex space rider

​@@nousername191They did. Rayquaza just ate the Mega Stone in the game.

Lmao

Meanwhile GF is giving Mega Xerneas either a new ability that removes charge/recharge turns for moves or Simple, and Yveltal an ability that passively drains all surrounding pokemon at the end of the turn like Leech Seed or a one-time auto-endure on knockout that steals 50% of all surrounding pokemons' current hp to heal it.

​@@dustinbragg1921honestly, a passive leech seed sounds like a kinda cool ability.

@@MercuryA2000 Yeah, but it'd be pretty annoying. Especially in doubles where it would be hitting both opponents and its ally (assuming no Magic Guard) at the end of every turn. No Grass-type seed immunity, no Rapid Spinning it off, no Protect/Taunt/Substitute counterplay. Just every turn taking a decent chunk of chip as MYveltal pulls in almost a whole Regenerator heal for free.

yveltal straight up gets chthonic malady from the fangame rejuvenation 💀 it’s a custom Z-move that gives -2 atk and spatk, torment, + petrification (leech seed as a non-volatile status) to its target; it is every bit as broken as it sounds

ONE?! WHAT!

@@quinndepatten4442 yep, no other gen 5 mons got a mega, thought it might be for the best because a LOT of them are already really good and making them better would make them broken (case in point, Kingambit)

​@@tonyg9775 kinggabit without an item, a fixed hability and no tera type would be balanced

Not as annoying as gen 6 only getting one mega thats exclusively available through an event in order to give way too many to kanto

@@stella.bridgetI thought no gen 6 mons got any megas?

Mega Audino also got a shit ability for singles which to my understanding isn't even good in doubles. It's a pretty cool pokemon and I think it's nicely designed but it unfortunately just utterly fails in comparison to other megas and just other OU walls. I wish regular Audino got the Normal/Fairy typing but alas it's still just a normal type that's severely outclassed by so many other defensive walls.

Yeah I really liked Aggron and Beedrill for similar reasons

All it needed was to keep Regen and it's already solid.

a regional variant could get an evolution

@@Psychomaniac14It could, but that adds the complication of being, y’know, regional. Sirfetch’d is cool, but that’s locked to Galarian Farfetch’d, meaning Kantonian Farfetch’d is still garbage. I’d prefer what they did in Gens 2, 4, and 9 by giving permanent evolutions to the previous Pokemon (Mismagius, Annihilape) and having regional evos be split from existing ones (Quagsire/Clodsire, Weavile/Sneasler)

@@molberding5 I meant that a pokemon that already has a mega could get a regional variant with an evolution

@@Psychomaniac14 a pokemon with a mega could also just... get an evolution. having a gigantamax didnt stop them from giving duraladon an evolution. it's their game - they make the rules of what can be done

@@smonkk8556 eevee and pikachu already had gigantamax forms, there was precedence for pokemon that weren't fully evolved having gigantamax forms that precedence doesn't exist with mega evolution

Mega Spinda with wonder guard+good as gold on top of a normal/normal type combo and base stats of 80/160/50/0/50/120, as well as its new signature move "spinny slam" (120bp, always confuses, always super effective against mons heavier than spinda-m) would have been far too powerful. Good thing they stuck with balanced megas like Salamence

This is part of the reason why I prefer mechanics like Z-Moves or Tera over Megas. Because the buffs are indiscriminate and create more depth of play for all pokemon, not just a cherry-picked handful of them. Look at how much ice types benefitted from Tera, or how Gen 7 took steps to counter the rampant stall mons with nuke moves that take up an item slot and can poke a hole if used correctly once per battle. Gen 7 is one of the more healthy metas for this reason, because flow of play isn’t slowed down one third of the time by an unfun stall fest that lasts 300 turns. Say what you want about “power scaling” but it’s far better than whatever was happening in earlier gens that had defensive cores so strong and unstoppable that they have at least a baker’s dozen of notorious names for them. Sure, I’m all for respecting people’s play styles. I’m a balance player who does rarely dip into hyperoffense or stall if it’s what my team needs. But the overall metagame is what matters, there’s fun stall that has checks and there’s unfun stall. Just like hyperoffense. In gen 6, it was of the unfun variety.

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex in Rain: 276-326 (90.7 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO GF never cared about balance why would they spend dev time on spinda that everyone forgot existed before reading this comment instead of fan favorite salamence?

​@@greyscaleadavenTbh g-max is my favorite gimmick because it still gives new designs and life to old pokemon and can be used by everyone, win win

​@aroramccracken2429 agreed. Plus, sometime the gmax is worse than the regular dynamax. Corvinight's gmax move overtakes max airstream in favor of an attack that clears screens, which is far worse than getting the speed boost from max airstream. Same thing with Machamp and it's max move. High crit chance is nice, but I'd rather have the attack boost

You do NOT want Mega Maushold. Maushold learns Super Fang. Parental Bond Super Fang will be hell to fight against, regardless of if the Mega Goes defensive or offensive with the stats.

mega moushold just adds four more mice

Next stop, the plague ​@@Foolish_Spoon

@@cadetjones9205 that set sounds pretty good. Although I was thinking more wide lens pop bomb parental bond

misses population bomb

The balanced, The bad, and The broken BBB

It's ability, "Overwhelming Cuteness", with it's stupidly powerful effect of making every move miss the user, was simply too strong for the tier to handle.

I know you're joking, but we already have mega charizard X and Y, so there's a decent chance for a Z

Don't forget Mega Mewtwo Z

Expectations: Mega Charizard Z and Mega Charizard A Reality: A Mega Charizard for every letter of the alphabet (They wrote Z-A backwards)

Are they confirmed yet? I can't imagine modern game freak putting any amount of effort and adding them in

they should aboslutely bite the bullet for the memes

I’m going to play devils advocate about that, gamefreak loves making odd decisions for story situations. Mega Rayquaza is an example of that, being so Important in the context of lore and story so they wanted to do something cool with it, hence mega Rayquaza being a thing. It’s rule of cool basically.

@@CastersvarogI like when Pokemon does rule of cool stuff until we get into some crazy arbitrary stuff. Like Ash-Greninja; its cool, yeah, but it literally makes no sense that this is the ONLY POKEMON IN THE ENTIRE SERIES that could ever transform into a form based on the bond with its trainer. I think thats just a little odd how that is the only time that has ever happened with a pokemon, then never again

@@Castersvarog It's also for marketing because mega rayquaza is childrens' favourite. But even if they wanted to give it a mega, they still had the chance to make it balanced, but they didn't.

@@SuperSonic-9999 This. Rayquaza was a huge favorite for alot of people over the world. It got goddamn V-create in Gen V when it was voted the most popular box mascot for Pokemon 15th Anniversary in Japan. It was absolutely broken because GF wanted it to be.

​@@Castersvarog it was also necessary to help Rayquaza keep up with the primals. There's no way you could argue that it was regular Rayquaza that was able to put down primal Groudon and primal Kyogre. If it didn't get a mega it would have gotten a primal anyway.

heat

That or regenerator

They're not going to balance them ever

@@egbertmilton4003 Let him have hopium

Mega sceptile with contrary 🤤

Mega incineror, parting shots immediately on entry

it was interesting esp considering that in other games your starters are the main avenue to use the gimmick

@@ElectricWindGirlFriendtoo true with starter-specific z-crystals and g-max forms. Greninja kind of got a mega tho (yes I know it isn’t a real one but it acts rlly similar :) )

@@ElectricWindGirlFriendIt’s because they wanted to give center stage to the kanto starters for those sweet nostalgia points I’m guessing

@@frozenbonkchoy4986gmax forms for starters were only in ioa

Even more than that, the Gen II starters. Not only do they all kinda suck, but I NEED Mega Feraligatr for my trio of Dragon type lizard Mega starters with Charizard and Sceptile.

No Mega form has a different base HP stat than its base form, and if they were going to break that self-imposed rule, they would've done so already on one of the 48 Mega forms that currently exist. There's a slight chance that they'll break that rule if they rebalance their stats in Legends: Z-A, but if we had gotten a Mega Snorlax back in Gen VI-VII, it definitely wouldn't have gotten a boost to HP.

megas can't have extra HP

Megas were way more predictable than Z moves, Dynamax, or Tera. At least you could have an educated guess based on the limited amount of Megas.

If it’s any consolation, I’ve heard Mega Audino was really good in the TCG when it was in the standard format

​@@lixyo4320 it wasn't good more like it was good in the world's format that they were playing that year because it reliability 2 shot everything that format and did decent spread damage. The player who one worlds that year was the only one running it.

Losing Regenerstor being a tank and using Healer instead wad a death sentence unfortunaly

I can only picture Mega Sigilyph as a biblical angel

@@asierx7047 That would actually be so cool. It already has the wings and unsettling eyes all over its body. Not sure how it would fit into the lore tho. Unless the ancient city they guarded was heaven.

A mon having a high bst _does not_ mean it shouldn't be given a Mega. Goodra is not surviving in the meta, and Hydreigon also is getting crept to irrelevance slowly but surely. Compare that to Blaziken, who already had Speed Boost and was god tier/banned in Singles, or Gengar, who's regular form in Gen 6 had more usage than both of the pseudos mentioned above, and the high bst starts seeming irrelevant and an oversimplification of the viability of certain mons.

@@christiancinnabars1402 you are severely oversimplifying things, nobody ever said that bst correlates to viability. If it was, Kyurem Black would have never fallen from Ubers for any amount of item even still, both the pseudos you mentioned were solidly UU at the time megas were introduced; their gradual decline is a symptom of the egregious powercreep Pokemon has undergone. Having so many raw stat points does make it much, much more likely for +100 to be the tipping point into giving a mon everything it could ever need, as both of the ORAS pseudo megas well-demonstrate. Garchomp is the exception that proves the rule, given that it LOSES something it needs in the transition. The fact they weren't the only broken megas doesn't diminish that nor have any real relevance to my point (though I would say megas also felt like a popularity contest at times, which lead to other unnecessary megas like Gengar). The pseudo megas were a massive factor to what soured everyone on the concept due to being massive blobs of stats barely affected by losing the item slot, and aside from their visual designs we'd be losing nothing of value if they were somehow excluded.

I understand it might not be good for balancing, but if I get a cool dragon, I want it to transform into an even cooler dragon.

Me, but with Mawile. My baby boy got to be king for a couple of generations, And then he was cast aside for...Big.

Me but with my precious zards

@@BlitzkriegOmegaSAME!!! Mawile is my favourite Pokemon and I was so upset that they took its mega away

Me with Audino. She got the short end of the stick but at least it was something

I mean, it doesn't really DO that, since Beedrill and Mega Beedrill feel like completely different Pokémon. It never struck me as "making Beedrill etc better", but rather "making a powerful new Pokémon that you can only use if you run Beedrill on your team".

@@CantusTropus l think of it as a new form that allows you to run Beedrill in OU. However, I am a supporter for updating base stats of previous generation pokemon to match current power creep. ROM Hacks like Blaze Black/Volt White and Emerald Kaizo do this very well.

Well that’s mainly a GameFreak issue. I don’t think it’s fair to say that we shouldn’t be allowed to have Megas in competitive because GameFreak doesn’t know how to properly balance them. Mega Kanga was fine in Gen 7 after they nerfed Parental Bond, albeit still very good. If they feel the need to cater to hype by giving Megas to Pokémon that don’t need them like Gengar, Salamence, Rayquaza, etc, they have to at least attempt to balance them. Mega Chomp and Mega T-Tar were balanced despite having insane stats, because they were more side grades vs strict upgrades. They could definitely do that for other Pokémon without breaking the meta.

@@Forged4War206 thats totally fair! I would love if the megas were all balanced enough to not have such gods of destruction metas like mega ray and the primals. Im just not holding my breath that gamefreak wouldnt make even bigger threats. And honestly, vgc is so small compared to the wider audience of pokemon that if we had a year or two of overpowered mega monsters before they take them out again, id be okay with that too

Megas didnt destroy the meta anymore than any other broken ass mon in the past 3 gens. The only issue with megas was the 1 per game limit, which restricted you to saving your mega for only the best.

I disagree on the lower tier mons, a mega is not actually Glalie/Beedrill/whatever being a viable OU mon. That mon is still trash, but the new mon that shares some visual design is OU/UU. Megas really aren't different from Paradox forms...

Nope, they were straight up the second worse gimmick in all the games. Only a handful were even used much, and those were the ones on Pokemon already buffed. They just made the meta even more stagnant. Why use Mega Beedrill when Mega Aerodactly is strictly better? Why not use Mega Scizor over every other set, ands especially over Mega Heracross and Mega Pinsir. Megas were just a detriment for the game

@@egbertmilton4003 ...Because Pinsir and Heracross' megas have niches Scizor's doesn't have (and aren't deathly afraid of fire)? Because Base Scizor is good enough that it doesn't _mandate_ usage of the mega? Also, again, he was talking about Smogon, and it is actual FACT that Megas were best for singles play... especially when you compare it to Z-Moves, Terastal, or of course the dumpster fire that is Dynamax. A grand total of 13 Megas saw OU play in Sun/Moon: Alakazam, both Charizards, Diancie, Gyarados, Latias, Lopunny, Mawile, Medicham, Sableye, Scizor, Swampert and Tyranitar. If we take into account UUBL Megas like Heracross and Pinsir, the reason they weren't used instead of Scizor is because the metagame was fundamentally more hostile to them, thanks to their generally worse defensive typing than Scizor.

@@Hyperneosonic97 Except since there is only a single mega slot, wasting it on a small niche is simply not worth it compared. They still aren’t overall better than Mega Scizor, who was the main competition in their big type niche, nor do they have a good match up, so why use them. And no, fire isn’t really a good argument, when it can tank most of the attackers using fire that are used to check it, Heatran, Magnezone, Clefable, and Mega Diancie, could be outsped and smashed to pieces. Mega Scizor was straight up oppressive for the meta. Mega evolutions were far from the best addition to singles, they are the third worst gimmick in all the games

@@egbertmilton4003 ...You literally listed Pokemon who are weak to Scizor's STAB Bullet Punch or coverage moves and ONLY them. What, you think Scizor's going to beat EITHER Mega Charizard (both of whom were also popular in OU)? Also, Scizor doesn't even beat Magnezone and Heatran unless it uses Superpower, which leaves it choked by defensive threats such as Zapdos, Celesteela and Toxapex, which it needs Knock Off to beat (but if it uses Knock Off, it gets throttled by Magnezone and ESPECIALLY Heatran). To say nothing about the fact Mega Scizor running Superpower *is complete setup bait for Volcarona and Mega Charizard X,* both of whom you REALLY do not want to give free setup turns to. I played Gen 6 and 7 OU back in the day, and no, Mega Scizor was not overbearing by ANY metric. Clefable is a defensive 'mon, and No, Scizor DOES NOT reliably tank Mega Diancie's Hidden Power Fire: 252 SpA Diancie-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 248-292 (72.3 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

honestly this is one of my biggest gripes with megas. while i appreciate the attempt to make worse pokemon better, i would've preferred mawile having a permanent evolution with a usable bst rather than a busted mega.

Too bad your example is absolute garbage. Try justifying something like Mega Scizor, Gengar, Rayquaza, Salamence, or Gyrados, because no, not all megas were balanced like Charizard Y

@@egbertmilton4003 How is Mega Gyarados broken? Mega Scizor I can get, even if not comparable to Mega Gengar, M-Salamence and especially not M-Rayquaza.

@@egbertmilton4003Your example fell apart when you mentioned Mega Scizor and Mega Gyarados, who aren't broken. The _actual_ broken Megas vary by format. In Smogon formats, not counting the already banned in base Blaziken, Rayquaza and Mewtwo (Speed Boost Blaziken was still broken in Gen 6 and 7), the broken Megas were Kangaskhan, Gengar, Lucario, Salamence and Metagross, plus Mawile and Sableye in Gen 6 only. In VGC, the broken Megas were Gardevoir, Charizard Y, Mawile and Kangaskhan.

@@TheCommenterSam Sorry, autocorrect, I have been talking about Gen 1 Pokemon quite a bit recently. Mega Metagross is the main i was thinking about, alongside Mega Lucario

@@Hyperneosonic97 Autocorrect, I didn’t noticed I put down Gyrados, I was putting down Mega Metagross, the one infamously only checked by another busted mega, Scizor. And let’s be honest, Mega Scizor was overpowered, it had no good counters, with every fire attacker just getting deleted, and after smashing them, could either roost or pivot out with ease. Mega evolutions we’re a blight on the series balance. They never made the game better or more diverse, they just stagnated it even more than it had stagnated. Mega Evolutions are the third worst gimmick in the games

Mega Dragonite just for the mega stone name.

@@Rainbro359 if that becomes real they're gonna break the mega stone naming convention and probably call it Dragonium

@@Psychomaniac14 then they would be cowards

@@Rainbro359 so you want Dragonitite?

@@Psychomaniac14 yes. Dragoniteite to be exact.

Give zacian e speed pls

Besides, most of the Hisuian mons were busted af in one way or another

yea but u could actually transfer from legends to paldea, what about megas now? we could probably also transfer thise

Mega Chandelure would go hard

Maybe they could bring Ash-Greninja back by just making it a Mega?

>cause can be used by all Pokémon I don't see how Tera helps underrepresented Pokemon find a niche if the big shots overshadowing them can use Tera too (and probably use it better).

Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Tera are all flawed exactly due to being usable by every single mon, imo. Are you going to run Frosmoth and Tera it into a Water type to escape its 4x weaknesses? No, you are going to run Tera Flying Kingambit and just win. If it were the case of running, say, Mega Frosmoth, then that wouldn't be an issue because there more than likely wouldn't be a Mega Kingambit to compete with it. Of course, then there comes the issue of Game Freak balancing out the Megas: you don't want Mega Kangaskhans nor do you want Mega Audinos. But at least for the most part, you could run 90% of the Megas without feeling like you're completely throwing by wasting a once per battle mechanic on a trash mon that becomes just mediocre afterwards. They make stuff like Mega Salamence strong, but at least they try to make the Mega Pinsirs and Mega Sableyes almost as strong to compensate. While that is not the case for the other mechanics - Dynamaxing a Thievul gives it _the exact same_ boosts as Dynamaxing an Urshifu.

The thing is, is it really just the high BST that makes them good? The Mega Lati Twins aren't considered overbearing even with their 700 BST (considered WHOLLY inferior to pre-nerf Soul Dew)- same with Megachomp. Heck, Mega Mewtwo Y wasn't even very good in Ubers because Life Orb Mewtwo tended to hit harder and the extra stats just weren't worth it. In fact, half the reason Gengar, Salamence, Lucario, Kangaskhan and Metagross are considered broken is because of their _abilities._

@@Hyperneosonic97 Well it's a start, Mega Ray and the primals would be much healthier if they were just a +20 bst along with their insane abilities. The Mega Lati's stats are poorly distributed and the Mega two's just didn't have good abilities at all, they'd be better even with a bst nerf if they were just optimized better!

I rather fight mega-r than the tera bullshit or dinamax

"Megas are too broken!" MFs while fighting Flutter Mane and Kingambit for the 50th time in a row that day.

@@christiancinnabars1402 those have counterplay. Not very much or good counterplay, but counterplay.

@@TwilightMistress tera is much better than dynamax. There's actually ways around it.

@@TwilightMistresssay you have not played gen 6/7 competitive without saying it

Exactly. Megas never addressed the issues, they just exacerbated them. Literally just make more Pokemon evolutions, and it would be fine

@@egbertmilton4003 Not on Pokémon already reaching 3rd stage, but on anything like Mawile, Banette and Lopunny, that definitely can make a lot of differences if done right.

Except they probably aren't giving a Mawile evolution Huge Power or a Pinsir evolution Aerilate. The "one mon per battle" limitation let Game Freak go full out on making the mons strong while not having to worry about going overboard - once broken mon a team (that can't hold a boosting item) is better than six broken mons a team. Also, all the starters, Beedrill, Alakazam, Ampharos, Aggron, Gardevoir/Gallade, and Pidgeot all fall under weak Pokemon that are given a niche, and I don't think they're getting cross gen evolutions any time soon... Not to mention Salamence and Metagross, who, while not the absolute bottom of the bin, were falling _really_ low in competitive viability in the XY era (especially with Metagross suffering badly from the Steel type nerfs).

Probably not- Megas were the easiest to tier because they can literally be treated as they are: forme changes. They'd just have to ban the broken ones from holding the universal item. Dynamax had the issue of giving EVERYTHING way too much role compression and swinging games in a way Megas can only dream of.

Not really, not with the existence of Leaning Tower of Raikou, at least.

Hell nah? Megas fucking ruined VGC.

Meanwhile in an meteoric timeline: Bug/Ground